Using Fake Story and Persona for ClickBank?

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Hi,

I'm just checking again about this:

I know some internet marketers use fake personas for the sales copy that doesn't exist in real life. The name is made up, and the image is from some hired model.

Is that allowed for ClickBank pitch pages? Who is still creating new products with fake personas? Any comments regarding this?

And the next step is, what about fake stories?

Not only is a fake persona being used, but a story about that persona's life experiences and how it was changed by the product is also made up and fictional.

I understand that the product may be of good quality and benefit the customer, but the story used to sell it is made up.

Is it allowed for ClickBank pitch pages?

I tried checking the ClickBank pitch page rules, but I only see that fake customer reviews are not allowed.

What about FTC rules? I also tried checking it. But I did not manage to find specifically anything about this, except that claims about a product must not be misleading.

What if the product benefit claims are true, but a fake persona and fake story is used to sell it?

I'm looking for experienced marketers to spill the guts on this
#clickbank #fake #persona #story
  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    It is not allowed.

    Clickbank does not knowingly allow this. There might be instances where a publisher tries to circumvent the rules. When CB catches them they are out.
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    • Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      It is not allowed.

      Clickbank does not knowingly allow this. There might be instances where a publisher tries to circumvent the rules. When CB catches them they are out.
      You can use a pen name
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    "intentional deception made for personal gain" is part of the definition of .....

    Fraud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    Is that allowed for ClickBank pitch pages? Who is still creating new products with fake personas? Any comments regarding this?
    If you create a product under a pen-name and want ClickBank to retail it, they require you to state on the sales page that the author's name is a pen-name (you don't have to give your real name, though). This part is perfectly acceptable (and - to some extent - even "traditional" in publishing).

    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    And the next step is, what about fake stories?
    I think the name for those is "fraud", if they're used a sales representation.

    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    I understand that the product may be of good quality and benefit the customer, but the story used to sell it is made up.

    Is it allowed for ClickBank pitch pages?
    No; I imagine it isn't knowingly allowed by anyone, anywhere.

    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    What about FTC rules?
    You really need to check FTC regulations, to know that this is illegal, immoral, unethical and just "wrong" however you look at it?! Ok ... :confused:
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    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    Hi,

    I'm just checking again about this:

    I know some internet marketers use fake personas for the sales copy that doesn't exist in real life. The name is made up, and the image is from some hired model.

    Is that allowed for ClickBank pitch pages? Who is still creating new products with fake personas? Any comments regarding this?

    And the next step is, what about fake stories?

    Not only is a fake persona being used, but a story about that persona's life experiences and how it was changed by the product is also made up and fictional.

    I understand that the product may be of good quality and benefit the customer, but the story used to sell it is made up.

    Is it allowed for ClickBank pitch pages?

    I tried checking the ClickBank pitch page rules, but I only see that fake customer reviews are not allowed.

    What about FTC rules? I also tried checking it. But I did not manage to find specifically anything about this, except that claims about a product must not be misleading.

    What if the product benefit claims are true, but a fake persona and fake story is used to sell it?

    I'm looking for experienced marketers to spill the guts on this
    As mentioned, not allowed, and illegal..

    I hate the stories about people that are x drug addicts or living in a dumpster until they read an ebook anyway... I think you'd get a much better result telling your true story...
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  • Profile picture of the author lowelly
    If you give real contact information, and your site and your product meet Clickbank rules, no one cares about the name and story in the sales letter. I've written tens of sales letters for Clickbank products, all based on my ideas and some basic product information.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fantastic
      Not sure why you'd wanna do this but...


      No they most definitely don't allow it.


      Still doesn't mean it doesn't happen though.


      Remind me to never buy anything from you by the way :p
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      • Profile picture of the author MindReality
        Originally Posted by Fantastic View Post

        Not sure why you'd wanna do this but...


        No they most definitely don't allow it.


        Still doesn't mean it doesn't happen though.


        Remind me to never buy anything from you by the way :p
        Your comment is uncalled for.

        I am asking because I see others doing it, and a friend who's starting IM thinks it's ok, so I am asking to clarify.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
          Originally Posted by Fantastic View Post

          Remind me to never buy anything from you by the way :p
          Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

          Your comment is uncalled for.
          Perhaps, but instead of chastising him for it you might want to consider that many others who read your OP are going to have similar thoughts.
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          • Profile picture of the author MindReality
            Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

            Perhaps, but instead of chastising him for it you might want to consider that many others who read your OP are going to have similar thoughts.
            My OP states that I am checking on this. Those people who anyhow think and make judgments without considering further ought to be chastised.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
              Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

              My OP states that I am checking on this. Those people who anyhow think and make judgments without considering further ought to be chastised.
              So you're checking on this ... what does that mean? WHY you're checking on it is another matter, and you don't really say why in the OP. There are lots of possibilities. For example, you could be "checking on this" to see what you can get away with.

              Sorry to have bothered you. I thought you might be interested in knowing the perception you're creating could be detrimental to your reputation.
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            • Profile picture of the author Fantastic
              Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

              My OP states that I am checking on this. Those people who anyhow think and make judgments without considering further ought to be chastised.
              You never said you were checking for someone else or anything.


              And when you ask people to spill the guts on something...


              And ask for so many details...


              People will assume you aren't "just curious."


              Sorry but if you don't want people to assume, don't give them reason to.
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              • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                Originally Posted by lowelly View Post

                We're all trying, some succeeding, to trick Google into ranking our sites higher faster, aren't we?
                No - some of us worked out years ago that trying to manipulate Google's algorithms is short-sighted, accident-prone and essentially silly, and that search engine traffic tends to be very poor quality indeed, overall, compared with traffic from multiple alternative sources. But thanks for asking, as they say.
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                • Profile picture of the author GrowTutor
                  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

                  No - some of us worked out years ago that trying to manipulate Google's algorithms is short-sighted, accident-prone and essentially silly, and that search engine traffic tends to be very poor quality indeed, overall, compared with traffic from multiple alternative sources. But thanks for asking, as they say.
                  What? You mean google has more than maps?
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    • Profile picture of the author MindReality
      Originally Posted by lowelly View Post

      If you give real contact information, and your site and your product meet Clickbank rules, no one cares about the name and story in the sales letter. I've written tens of sales letters for Clickbank products, all based on my ideas and some basic product information.
      Are you writing only just product claims and benefits, or do you also create a story of a person telling it in relation to the product?

      When you said "Your site meets ClickBank rules" doesn't that include the pitch page story as well?
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      • Profile picture of the author lowelly
        Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

        Are you writing only just product claims and benefits, or do you also create a story of a person telling it in relation to the product?

        When you said "Your site meets ClickBank rules" doesn't that include the pitch page story as well?
        I never lie about the products, eventually exaggerate their strong points and sweeten their weaknesses, but, for privacy reasons, clients want to keep their identity concealed or they want to appear Americans, when they are, in fact Europeans. That means using a different name and, with it, inventing a background for that person, otherwise, who's going to buy from someone with no studies, no experience, no reputation? Do you really believe all that crap about the vendor coming up with the product to help the mass and going through all that trouble to discover the saving solution? I assure you, 90 % of the sales letters out there are written by people like me and based on invented stories.
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        • Profile picture of the author MindReality
          Originally Posted by lowelly View Post

          I never lie about the products, eventually exaggerate their strong points and sweeten their weaknesses, but, for privacy reasons, clients want to keep their identity concealed or they want to appear Americans, when they are, in fact Europeans. That means using a different name and, with it, inventing a background for that person, otherwise, who's going to buy from someone with no studies, no experience, no reputation? Do you really believe all that crap about the vendor coming up with the product to help the mass and going through all that trouble to discover the saving solution? I assure you, 90 % of the sales letters out there are written by people like me and based on invented stories.
          This is why I am asking for people to spill the guts here

          But it seems 90% of the people here seem innocent about this. LOL
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

            it seems 90% of the people here seem innocent about this.
            If you mean, by "innocent", that 90% of the people here have been pointing out to you that what you're suggesting is fraudulent, then yes: compared with you, we're "innocent".

            However inappropriate or uncalled-for you might wrongly have imagined it was, that's why some people here are reminding themselves never to buy anything from you, because - believe it or not - many of us have an antipathy to buying from people who lie to their potential customers in material ways for the purposes of trying to sell them things. Sorry if this is news to you, but in the real world that's the way it is.
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            • Profile picture of the author MindReality
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              If you mean, by "innocent", that 90% of the people here have been pointing out to you that what you're suggesting is fraudulent, then yes: compared with you, we're "innocent".

              However inappropriate or uncalled-for you might wrongly have imagined it was, that's why some people here are reminding themselves never to buy anything from you, because - believe it or not - many of us have an antipathy to buying from people who lie to their potential customers in material ways for the purposes of trying to sell them things. Sorry if this is news to you, but in the real world that's the way it is.
              It's too bad that you are one of those who are too quick to misjudge and jump to conclusions about others as well.

              You clearly did not get my message that I stated previously. I am here to check about the use of such techniques. But I did not mention I am using it myself.

              And my meaning of innocent is not referring to people thinking it is fraudulent but to people thinking it is not commonly practiced and are appalled to discover that it is.
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        • Profile picture of the author GrowTutor
          Originally Posted by lowelly View Post

          I never lie about the products, eventually exaggerate their strong points and sweeten their weaknesses, but, for privacy reasons, clients want to keep their identity concealed or they want to appear Americans, when they are, in fact Europeans. That means using a different name and, with it, inventing a background for that person, otherwise, who's going to buy from someone with no studies, no experience, no reputation? Do you really believe all that crap about the vendor coming up with the product to help the mass and going through all that trouble to discover the saving solution? I assure you, 90 % of the sales letters out there are written by people like me and based on invented stories.
          I don't get it...

          Exaggerating the strong points and the weaknesses seems ethical to you? Is there an ethical reason "clients" would want to pretend to be from someplace else? Unethical "vendors" make unethical advertising OK? Why do the less than ethical marketers always assume that everyone else does it too? Do you have stats on that 90% number or does that figure just make you feel better? Even if 90% are dishonest does that really make it OK to do it too?
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          • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
            My thought is that if you use an actor and a pseudonym to "present" a product and stay away from offering a testimonial you are OK.

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            • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
              LOL this thread is rife with tons of bad information...:rolleyes:

              To clarify:

              YES, you can use a pen name on Clickbank (or anywhere else). NO, it is not illegal. Clickbank will either ask you to disclose it on your pitch page or in your terms and conditions by mentioning something like "for privacy reasons, the author writes under the pen name Hercules Rockefeller". As to whether it's ethical, that's up for you to decide as an individual. I personally see nothing wrong with it, as it's a very common tool used by writers for a variety or reasons. Many of the most popular writers in history used pen names: Stephen King. Isaac Asimov. Nora Roberts. J.K. Rowling. Agatha Christie. Hell, Shakespeare did it as well... and many non-fiction writers do it too.

              YES, you can be whatever "persona" you want in sales material... BUT... and this is a big "but"... you cannot lie about credentials or accomplishments. For instance, you can't say you're a doctor when you're not. But in terms of something as intangible as persona, you can do what you want, as long as you aren't grossly misrepresenting yourself.

              NO, you cannot use a fake story (although it's common practice to do so). That's really all that needs to be said on that topic.

              Listen: the real trick behind great sales page personas/pen names is to find the most positive way to highlight yourself and your actual attributes. A couple examples:

              *Dr. Charles of The Fat Loss Factor, Clickbank's #1 product- Not an actual medical physician. He's a chiropractor with the easiest type of certification to get. All that's needed to be eligible for this certification in the U.S. is a high school degree and 12 weeks of once-a-week classes with a quiz at the end. Yet this certification technically makes him a doctor. 12 weeks to be a doctor and you don't even have to attend any college. Not bad, huh?

              *Michael Fiore of 1/2 dozen of CB's hottest products like Text Your Ex Back and Capture His Heart- Michael Fiore is a pen name. His real name is Chris Haddad, and he's a highly regarded copywriter. He calls himself a "relationship expert" because it's a title that sounds like it has meaning, but requires no certification or verification and really means nothing at all. Excellent use of persona and a pen name.

              The lesson to take from this is to never falsify claims or stories, but to feel free to create a pen name/persona that works within the confines of legality and truthfulness.
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              • Profile picture of the author MindReality
                Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

                LOL this thread is rife with tons of bad information...:rolleyes:

                To clarify:

                YES, you can use a pen name on Clickbank (or anywhere else). NO, it is not illegal. Clickbank will either ask you to disclose it on your pitch page or in your terms and conditions by mentioning something like "for privacy reasons, the author writes under the pen name Hercules Rockefeller". As to whether it's ethical, that's up for you to decide as an individual. I personally see nothing wrong with it, as it's a very common tool used by writers for a variety or reasons. Many of the most popular writers in history used pen names: Stephen King. Isaac Asimov. Nora Roberts. J.K. Rowling. Agatha Christie. Hell, Shakespeare did it as well... and many non-fiction writers do it too.

                YES, you can be whatever "persona" you want in sales material... BUT... and this is a big "but"... you cannot lie about credentials or accomplishments. For instance, you can't say you're a doctor when you're not. But in terms of something as intangible as persona, you can do what you want, as long as you aren't grossly misrepresenting yourself.

                NO, you cannot use a fake story (although it's common practice to do so). That's really all that needs to be said on that topic.

                Listen: the real trick behind great sales page personas/pen names is to find the most positive way to highlight yourself and your actual attributes. A couple examples:

                *Dr. Charles of The Fat Loss Factor, Clickbank's #1 product- Not an actual medical physician. He's a chiropractor with the easiest type of certification to get. All that's needed to be eligible for this certification in the U.S. is a high school degree and 12 weeks of once-a-week classes with a quiz at the end. Yet this certification technically makes him a doctor. 12 weeks to be a doctor and you don't even have to attend any college. Not bad, huh?

                *Michael Fiore of 1/2 dozen of CB's hottest products like Text Your Ex Back and Capture His Heart- Michael Fiore is a pen name. His real name is Chris Haddad, and he's a highly regarded copywriter. He calls himself a "relationship expert" because it's a title that sounds like it has meaning, but requires no certification or verification and really means nothing at all. Excellent use of persona and a pen name.

                The lesson to take from this is to never falsify claims or stories, but to feel free to create a pen name/persona that works within the confines of legality and truthfulness.
                Thanks! This is good information indeed

                It is more in-dept and more precise. Thumbs Up!
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                • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                  Originally Posted by MindReality View Post


                  I am asking because I see others doing it, and a friend who's starting IM thinks it's ok, so I am asking to clarify.
                  Did you think to consult a lawyer? Or will you just take the word of what we all say here?

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                  • Profile picture of the author MindReality
                    Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                    Did you think to consult a lawyer? Or will you just take the word of what we all say here?

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                    Did you think I think not?

                    What lawyers say and what people do are two different things.

                    I am here to find the perspective of what people do.

                    There is also a difference between law making, law enforcement, and law compliance. Just read all about Microsoft on Wiki to know what I mean.
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                    • Profile picture of the author CJLBW
                      Can anyone offer discussion (pro/con) or tips on using a persona and/or pen name on
                      websites while promoting products as an affiliate? I believe Alexa Smith has mentioned using pen name(s) on her sites.

                      No fraud is intended.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    When i see posts like this my first thought is always, "Did your parents not teach you right from wrong"?
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  • Profile picture of the author Robert Zanker
    That is sleezy. Is the internet marketing world that corrupt?
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    • Profile picture of the author lowelly
      Originally Posted by Robert Zanker View Post

      That is sleezy. Is the internet marketing world that corrupt?
      You'd be surprised! We're all trying, some succeeding, to trick Google into ranking our sites higher faster, aren't we?
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    Hi,

    I'm just checking again about this:

    I know some internet marketers use fake personas for the sales copy that doesn't exist in real life. The name is made up, and the image is from some hired model.

    Is that allowed for ClickBank pitch pages? Who is still creating new products with fake personas? Any comments regarding this?

    And the next step is, what about fake stories?

    Not only is a fake persona being used, but a story about that persona's life experiences and how it was changed by the product is also made up and fictional.

    I understand that the product may be of good quality and benefit the customer, but the story used to sell it is made up.

    Is it allowed for ClickBank pitch pages?

    I tried checking the ClickBank pitch page rules, but I only see that fake customer reviews are not allowed.

    What about FTC rules? I also tried checking it. But I did not manage to find specifically anything about this, except that claims about a product must not be misleading.

    What if the product benefit claims are true, but a fake persona and fake story is used to sell it?

    I'm looking for experienced marketers to spill the guts on this
    As a marketer and buyer of IM products, I don't like all that made-up stuff and exaggeration. Just be yourself. I know some non-native, English speakers might feel uncomfortable talking, especially if they have an accent. It's not a big deal because there are lots of successful marketers that were either born outside of the U.S. and/or are non-native, English speakers. It's become so common that I don't pay attention to it.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Emanuels
    A good product, doesn't need lies to be sold.
    Only bad products.
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan Emanuels View Post

      A good product, doesn't need lies to be sold.
      Only bad products.
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  • Profile picture of the author GrowTutor
    I don't think he was talking about the pen name or bio of the author; I think he was talking about made up testimonials (shills) and results which falls under your "NO, you cannot use a fake story" category.
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  • Profile picture of the author sunnysmiles
    allowed or not allowed, it's definitely unethical!!
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
    Originally Posted by Ken_Caudill View Post

    If the persona and story are illustrative of a point, I see no harm in it. Aunt Jemima comes to mind. It's a question of intent, not method.
    Betty Crocker, Eben Pagan, the list goes on..
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Ya you can't be committing fraud on Clickbank because they've really cracked down on the shenanigans they're pretty strict now and rightfully so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tommy Turner
    Just keep it real... It is far better to be honest, and build trust with your readers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    Did you think I think not?
    Not necessarily.
    You ASKED:

    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    Hi,


    Is that allowed for ClickBank pitch pages?

    What about FTC rules?
    What if the product benefit claims are true, but a fake persona and fake story is used to sell it?

    I'm looking for experienced marketers to spill the guts on this
    Experienced marketers will tell you to consult with your lawyer. Or at the very LEAST go read clickbanks rules and shoot them a message if you are unclear.
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    • Profile picture of the author MindReality
      Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

      Experienced marketers will tell you to consult with your lawyer. Or at the very LEAST go read clickbanks rules and shoot them a message if you are unclear.
      Well, the even more experienced marketers would know many people already think about such basic things, and would simply answer my question with their own practice and experience, or else they won't waste my time talking stuff that doesn't add value.

      By your replies to this thread, I know exactly where your level of experience is. You have much to learn.

      I have acknowledged the truly experienced marketers who have spilled the guts or provided in-depth and precise information here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
      If you go the black hat marketer route, it will eventually catch up with you. Case in point other marketers for JVs and even affiliates will shun you. No one likes liars or refunds.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

        Well, the even more experienced marketers would know many people already think about such basic things, and would simply answer my question with their own practice and experience, or else they won't waste my time talking stuff that doesn't add value.

        By your replies to this thread, I know exactly where your level of experience is. You have much to learn.

        I have acknowledged the truly experienced marketers who have spilled the guts or provided in-depth and precise information here.
        HAHA. Basic eh?

        What does it matter what people think? There is a big difference to what people think the right answer is and what the right answer is.

        But you go right ahead and ignore me. I obviously don't have a clue.
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        • Profile picture of the author MindReality
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          HAHA. Basic eh?

          What does it matter what people think? There is a big difference to what people think the right answer is and what the right answer is.

          But you go right ahead and ignore me. I obviously don't have a clue.
          You really don't have any clue what you are talking about. More nonsense again.

          Nuff of this.
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          • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
            Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

            You really don't have any clue what you are talking about. More nonsense again.

            Nuff of this.
            I actually have over 3 years I invested in a case about internet fraud, someone using a pen name, and using fake stories. It turned into a class action lawsuit which we won. Not clickbank as it was an independent product.

            But what do I know.

            You go right ahead and judge what marketing experience I've had from a couple of random posts.

            Nuff said. :rolleyes:
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            • Profile picture of the author MindReality
              Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

              I actually have over 3 years I invested in a case about internet fraud, someone using a pen name, and using fake stories. It turned into a class action lawsuit which we won. Not clickbank as it was an independent product.

              But what do I know.

              You go right ahead and judge what marketing experience I've had from a couple of random posts.

              Nuff said. :rolleyes:
              Big deal.

              You have "some" experience, but still lacking in a whole lot more other experience.

              I do not need to mention the amount of investigation I make not just into internet marketing but also big corporations and their history of litigation cases.

              But as far as what you have presented, you are only focused and experienced from one perspective and not multiple other perspectives.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
                Originally Posted by MindReality View Post


                I do not need to mention the amount of investigation I make not just into internet marketing but also big corporations and their history of litigation cases.

                But as far as what you have presented, you are only focused and experienced from one perspective and not multiple other perspectives.
                If you're so smart and experienced, why are you asking such nonsense questions here?

                And how would I have multiple other perspectives as my own are what I have?

                Who let the troll out?

                YOU are asking about FTC. Here is a nice site for you to learn from:
                Federal Trade Commission

                YOU are asking about what clickbank allows. Here is that answer:

                https://accounts.clickbank.com/terms.html

                Oh, and what do you know - they link to the FTC as well.

                Like I said.

                Doesn't matter what we say here on this forum.

                YOU ASKED:

                I'm just checking again about this:

                I know some internet marketers use fake personas for the sales copy that doesn't exist in real life. The name is made up, and the image is from some hired model.

                Is that allowed for ClickBank pitch pages?
                Your answers are in those documents, provided you are looking for the proper legal correct answers.
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                • Profile picture of the author MindReality
                  Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

                  If you're so smart and experienced, why are you asking such nonsense questions here?

                  And how would I have multiple other perspectives as my own are what I have?

                  Who let the troll out?

                  YOU are asking about FTC. Here is a nice site for you to learn from:
                  Federal Trade Commission

                  YOU are asking about what clickbank allows. Here is that answer:

                  https://accounts.clickbank.com/terms.html

                  Oh, and what do you know - they link to the FTC as well.

                  Like I said.

                  Doesn't matter what we say here on this forum.

                  YOU ASKED:



                  Your answers are in those documents, provide you are looking for the proper legal correct answers.
                  MORE Nonsense from you again. My questions are perfectly valid and legitimate, but your answers have been full of nonsense, a waste of time and add no value at all.

                  And you failed again and again to read my OP properly. I mentioned that I checked ClickBank and FTC pages.

                  Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter

                  "Doesn't matter what people think" "Doesn't matter what we say"
                  What nonsense statements are you making? And you just keep talking more nonsense. Some people enjoy making drama.
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                You know, it's incredibly rude to post a thread asking questions and then start ripping into the people who respond. Did you really want to know the answer or how people felt? Or did you just want to get a pat on the head and told go for it?

                Or are you just setting yourself up for something later on?
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                • Profile picture of the author MindReality
                  Originally Posted by Tina Golden View Post

                  You know, it's incredibly rude to post a thread asking questions and then start ripping into the people who respond. Did you really want to know the answer or how people felt? Or did you just want to get a pat on the head and told go for it?

                  Or are you just setting yourself up for something later on?
                  Some have provided excellent answers and I have acknowledged them for it. You really need to read the entire thread thoroughly.
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              • Profile picture of the author tpw
                Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

                Big deal.

                You have "some" experience, but still lacking in a whole lot more other experience.

                I do not need to mention the amount of investigation I make not just into internet marketing but also big corporations and their history of litigation cases.

                But as far as what you have presented, you are only focused and experienced from one perspective and not multiple other perspectives.

                If you don't want to know the right answer, don't ask the question. :rolleyes:

                Personally, I write under dozens of pen names. All of my pen names highlight some unique side of MY personal story.

                I never make up a profile bio... I just tell my story a little bit differently each time.
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                • Profile picture of the author MindReality
                  Originally Posted by tpw View Post

                  If you don't want to know the right answer, don't ask the question. :rolleyes:

                  Personally, I write under dozens of pen names. All of my pen names highlight some unique side of MY personal story.

                  I never make up a profile bio... I just tell my story a little bit differently each time.
                  I have found some people who gave the right answers and acknowledged them for it. You need to read the entire thread.
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    Originally Posted by MindReality View Post

    Hi,

    I'm just checking again about this:

    I know some internet marketers use fake personas for the sales copy that doesn't exist in real life. The name is made up, and the image is from some hired model.

    Is that allowed for ClickBank pitch pages? Who is still creating new products with fake personas? Any comments regarding this?

    And the next step is, what about fake stories?

    Not only is a fake persona being used, but a story about that persona's life experiences and how it was changed by the product is also made up and fictional.

    I understand that the product may be of good quality and benefit the customer, but the story used to sell it is made up.

    Is it allowed for ClickBank pitch pages?

    I tried checking the ClickBank pitch page rules, but I only see that fake customer reviews are not allowed.

    What about FTC rules? I also tried checking it. But I did not manage to find specifically anything about this, except that claims about a product must not be misleading.

    What if the product benefit claims are true, but a fake persona and fake story is used to sell it?

    I'm looking for experienced marketers to spill the guts on this
    What you describe is fiction. As long as you label the story "fiction" it might be OK. But, it appears you want to label it non-fiction. Well, that is a lie and in business it is called fraud.
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