Newbie here - could use some help

by KBull
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Hello,
I recently purchased a WP plug in for $10K - the Flippa description said that it made $31K in 3 Weeks. So far it's made $240 in 3 wks. Is this just a case of caveat emptor? And I was just being too trusting??
#caveat emptor #flippa #newbie #word press
  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    Is this just a case of caveat emptor? And I was just being too trusting??
    Did you verify the claims?

    Apparently not.

    That's an expensive lesson.
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
      Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, I verified the claims but sales all but stopped as soon as I purchased it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
        Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

        Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, I verified the claims but sales all but stopped as soon as I purchased it.
        You have to research next time karen and wf forum is one of the best place to do it. Im surprised you bought something this expensive, its okay, next time be more safer. Try refunding the product too
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      • Profile picture of the author mrgoe
        Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

        Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, I verified the claims but sales all but stopped as soon as I purchased it.
        How did the guy generate sells ? Try bringing in some traffic, see if sells go up..
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      • Profile picture of the author inquitech
        Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

        Hi, thanks for your reply. Yes, I verified the claims but sales all but stopped as soon as I purchased it.
        How did you verify the claim?
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      • Profile picture of the author JDArchitecture
        Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

        I verified the claims but sales all but stopped as soon as I purchased it.
        That's because the sales came from an affiliate flood. A lot more goes into due diligence than that.

        It sounds like you're new to all of this, not just the forum.

        1) Did you realize that most, if not all of that alleged revenue came from affiliate sales? Did you know that affialte commission is 60%? That means of the $31,000 in sales, the site owner received $12,400 at best.

        2) Did you look at the refund stats?

        3) Did you research competition? There are many similar plugins.

        4) Did you look at google? Did you know that most, if not all positive reviews are from affiliates?

        5) Two months isn't enough of a track record to be buying this kind of site for that kind of money. Especially for one that relies on affiliates. This is a classic launch, pillage, and run.

        Now that's just some of the pre-purchase stuff. You haven't seen the worst of it. You are now selling software, which is not something a novice should be doing...

        1) Are you prepared to offer support?
        2) How about updates? A WP update might make the plugin unusable.
        3) Do you realize that the help link on the site goes to the previous owner's help desk?


        I'm sorry, but you just paid a hefty stupid tax.

        Stick around and get educated. You can recoup if you work at it, but don't expect $1,000s/month of profit from this product on it's own.

        - You may want to improve the site and relaunch in a few months.
        - You could develop your own product and sweeten the deal by offering this as a free bonus or a cheap add-on. (assuming it's any good)

        Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    $10K??? Wow. Other than copywriting, that's one of the most expensive things I've seen discussed on WF.

    Did you buy by credit card or paypal? If so, you can request a chargeback (scam) or dispute (significantly not as described). The credit card companies side heavily on behalf of the customer.

    If the product doesn't work the way it was described, you should get your money back.
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    • Profile picture of the author AmitabhB
      That was a expensive buy my dear friend..... To much to start with!

      Do you know the basic of IM or you are just starting out?! Get your basics right first. Be very careful when you are starting out. Never buy something just becoz someone say something good and catchy. This IM industry is full of such hyped up scams and absolute non-sense
      My best advise would be to come to such forum and just clarify your doubt about anything. You will get some good suggestion in here. .
      I will suggest try to consult someone if you can do anything with that purchase of yours. I hope you just didn't made an absolute blind purchase, being completely even unaware of what to do with the stuff you just got your hands on. See if you can get it at least to the stage where it at makes you few hundred dollars monthly so that you can recoup some of your investment.

      Next time...Be extremely careful! Wish you the best..
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Karen,

        Welcome to the Warrior Forum.

        Have you asked the seller to show you exactly what he/she did to make "$31K in 3 Weeks?" Surely, if this is a legitimate claim and you paid the sales price, the seller should be willing to help you duplicate his results.

        If the seller "sold you the goods" he will most likely refuse your call for help since he already has your money.

        If that is the case, I would do what others have suggested - gather your evidence (which is his claims and your results) and do a chargeback.

        Next time ask the question . . . why would someone sell a plug-in that makes over $500K/year? And if it were legitimate, why would he be asking a measly $10K for it?

        "If it sounds too good to be true," yada, yada, yada.

        Good luck,

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    • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      $10K??? Wow. Other than copywriting, that's one of the most expensive things I've seen discussed on WF.

      Did you buy by credit card or paypal? If so, you can request a chargeback (scam) or dispute (significantly not as described). The credit card companies side heavily on behalf of the customer.

      If the product doesn't work the way it was described, you should get your money back.
      Agreed. Where is the traffic coming from and why did sales stop converting?
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    • Profile picture of the author Iqball
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      $10K??? Wow. Other than copywriting, that's one of the most expensive things I've seen discussed on WF.

      Did you buy by credit card or paypal? If so, you can request a chargeback (scam) or dispute (significantly not as described). The credit card companies side heavily on behalf of the customer.

      If the product doesn't work the way it was described, you should get your money back.
      But, will that cover software intangibles?
      Because some credit cards is policy may make the objections.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ripster
    No offense but spending $10k on that plugin probably wasn't a good idea. And most things sold on Flippa are overpriced and lies because the seller just wants to make money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by Ripster View Post

      No offense but spending $10k on that plugin probably wasn't a good idea. And most things sold on Flippa are overpriced and lies because the seller just wants to make money.
      That & 90% of the sites being sold on Flippa are either junk fake sites or a complete scam. Why would someone sell a site claiming to make $31K in less than a month for $10K? That right there raises all sorts of red flags.

      The same goes with half the WSO's here on the forum. Claim to make millions but can't afford hosting, or support for their plugins etc etc. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's some decent things being offered; themes, plugins, graphics etc but seriously? The "How I made thousands in a few short hours doing nothing" offers are completely bogus. The sad part is, people continue to buy them.

      No offense to the OP, but people are becoming increasingly more & more gullible these days. I sure as heck know if I had some magical way to make $50K in a few days I wouldn't be selling it for $9.99 let alone selling it at all. Come on people!
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      • Profile picture of the author Iqball
        Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

        That & 90% of the sites being sold on Flippa are either junk fake sites or a complete scam. Why would someone sell a site claiming to make $31K in less than a month for $10K? That right there raises all sorts of red flags.

        The same goes with half the WSO's here on the forum. Claim to make millions but can't afford hosting, or support for their plugins etc etc. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's some decent things being offered; themes, plugins, graphics etc but seriously? The "How I made thousands in a few short hours doing nothing" offers are completely bogus. The sad part is, people continue to buy them.

        No offense to the OP, but people are becoming increasingly more & more gullible these days. I sure as heck know if I had some magical way to make $50K in a few days I wouldn't be selling it for $9.99 let alone selling it at all. Come on people!
        Thank you Kingfish, my sentiments exactly, nicely summed up to hitting the nail on the bulls eye. In addition,
        what I find is most excruciating I must to confess is the extremely long WSO Sales Copy in glorious multicolor
        & large fonts & 'billboard' style screen shots. - (completely contrary to the correct way to draft clean
        sales copy btw). It just kills the eyes when trying to read - mine anyway.
        This style of copy just gives the perception of desperado-in-action in saying,
        "Hey Please, Please...pls buy my system to make $50K in 3 days! for $10, thank you very much!"

        "50K in 3 days?" You are more likely more successfully to make 50 kup cakes
        in 3 days my fellow for your local school!

        End of my ranting. Thank you Warriors.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
          Originally Posted by Iqball View Post

          Thank you Kingfish, my sentiments exactly, nicely summed up to hitting the nail on the bulls eye. In addition,
          what I find is most excruciating I must to confess is the extremely long WSO Sales Copy in glorious multicolor
          & large fonts & 'billboard' style screen shots. - (completely contrary to the correct way to draft clean
          sales copy btw). It just kills the eyes when trying to read - mine anyway.
          This style of copy just gives the perception of desperado-in-action in saying,
          "Hey Please, Please...pls buy my system to make $50K in 3 days! for $10, thank you very much!"

          "50K in 3 days?" You are more likely more successfully to make 50 kup cakes
          in 3 days my fellow for your local school!

          End of my ranting. Thank you Warriors.
          Exactly. I read some of these offers and think "do people seriously buy this sh!t???" Some bogus make $1,000 in 2 hours with a plugin and then you have 5 new members with no post history make comments saying its the next best thing since sliced bread luring in the unsuspecting buyers.
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          • Profile picture of the author KBull
            Thanks for the comments. Noob? I'll have to look that one up? : )
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  • Profile picture of the author thomasmacca
    Don't know the product you talking about but It may just take a bit of time to see the result and get used to using it.

    It does sound an expensive buy for a tool , I can see your rational on the potential return and if you verified the sales claims its a difficult one.

    Sometimes its best just to move on from these things and if you can't make it work after persisting with it you'll have your answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author Missouri31
    Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

    Hello,
    I recently purchased a WP plug in for $10K - the Flippa description said that it made $31K in 3 Weeks. So far it's made $240 in 3 wks. Is this just a case of caveat emptor? And I was just being too trusting??
    Oh boy . . . I hate to tell you this, but it sounds like you've been taken.

    Flippa is RIPE with scams. It's extremely easy to fake earnings.

    And, just think about this: Why would someone sell a business that is making slightly more than $10,000 per week, for a single weeks earnings??

    That is a huge red flag to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Larry Leggett
    And, just think about this: Why would someone sell a business that is making slightly more than $10,000 per week, for a single weeks earnings??
    This is the point. A website which is making profit, usually sold by multiplying it's monthly earning at least 12 times (This is what I have seen most of the time while buying and selling a website).
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    10K? Holy moly.

    What the heck did you buy ???
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    • Profile picture of the author Iqball
      You know guys i am little worried she has not responded back
      on to this thread. She can get some support here you knwo.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Ohhh... it wasn't a plug-in. Looks like she purchased a website for $10,100 that is set up to sell a plug-in. Now I get it.
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  • Profile picture of the author KBull
    Thanks for the replies! Yes, I made a huge (expensive) mistake. The numbers looked great but haven't sold for me like for the sellers. The plug in is azoncommissioncrusher.com.

    I've asked for a refund but haven't had any luck there. Shame on me!
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
      Originally Posted by tasticz View Post



      Lesson learned! For sure...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

        Hello,
        I recently purchased a WP plug in for $10K - the Flippa description said that it made $31K in 3 Weeks. So far it's made $240 in 3 wks. Is this just a case of caveat emptor? And I was just being too trusting??
        Ugh, oh, I'm so sorry.

        On the flip side over time you may be able to recoop some of it if the plugin is good and you can actually market it.

        For future reference, you can get your own plugin done for under a grand, a website knocked up for well under a grand, a great sales letter for a grand, and next time spent the other 7g on marketing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris Silvey
          Well there is always a silver lining. 240 in 3 weeks isn't great, but it is something you can build on. If the plugin is of good value and usable, you might list it on jvzoo and or clickbank to try to get some affiliates. Just scale it up.
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        • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
          Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

          For future reference, you can get your own plugin done for under a grand...
          Jill, got any particular recommendations on who to hire for this?

          Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
        Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

        Lesson learned! For sure...
        The seller probably did make that much money from the plugin, but during its launch. Unless the seller can transfer the affiliates to you (JVZoo, yes; others, I don't know), you can expect only the drop off earnings (sounds like that is what you are earning now).

        But you know, it has made $240 in 3 weeks, so it's still getting sales. You need to work on getting new affiliates for it and do some testing with different traffic methods.

        Sounds like a winner, conversion-wise. I wouldn't give up on it. Roll up your sleeves and make this successful again with the head start you have.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
    I think most on this thread here have missed something!
    Karen won with the highest bid..it started at a bid price of $1.00 and moved up to the final bid that she won.

    Website sold for $10,100 with 148 bids made.

    How can this be termed a scam! or that she was ripped off as some have suggested?

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  • Profile picture of the author Devin X
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    You're a noob who spent 10,000 on a WP PLUGIN!!!?? What plugin was this? You're also a noob who has a link to Azon Commission Crusher, which I think you're an affiliate for...that's a double negative.
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  • Profile picture of the author joshmstanton
    Never trust something that sounds too good to be true. At the other end of most people's success is a lot of time spent studying combined with nothing more than hard work.

    I think most of us here have had similar lessons. I can almost guarantee you'll make that money back eventually if you stick it out. :-)
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  • Sorry if I am negative.

    But serious, you story doesn't sound real. It sounds more like an way to get this product more known. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I can't imagine a noob paying 10k for a plugin for wordpress.
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
      Originally Posted by Jonathan Emanuels View Post

      Sorry if I am negative.

      But serious, you story doesn't sound real. It sounds more like an way to get this product more known. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I can't imagine a noob paying 10k for a plugin for wordpress.
      Jonathan,
      Unfortunately, it's real.
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  • Profile picture of the author lowelly
    Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

    Hello,
    I recently purchased a WP plug in for $10K - the Flippa description said that it made $31K in 3 Weeks. So far it's made $240 in 3 wks. Is this just a case of caveat emptor? And I was just being too trusting??
    Have you tried talking to the seller? Perhaps he can explain what changed. Is it too late to ask for a refund?
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
      Originally Posted by lowelly View Post

      Have you tried talking to the seller? Perhaps he can explain what changed. Is it too late to ask for a refund?
      I think the sellers must have a huge email list that they sold it to. They had lots of sales when it first hit the market but now nothing is happening for me except one or two sales here and there. I asked for a refund but no luck there.
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      • Profile picture of the author VinnyBock
        Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

        I think the sellers must have a huge email list that they sold it to. They had lots of sales when it first hit the market but now nothing is happening for me except one or two sales here and there. I asked for a refund but no luck there.
        Why "no luck" on the refund? :confused:

        Are the sellers not responding, has the return period expired?

        Why not trying to go through paypal, or your credit card company to get your money back?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bish
    The product was launched into a large list and supported by a bank of affiliates, that’s how it made the money. There were some big names involved in the launch. Why not go back to the seller and ask for an introduction to the affiliates, then maybe you could get a couple of tweaks done and re-launch; possibly as a WSO?
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    • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
      Originally Posted by Bish View Post

      The product was launched into a large list and supported by a bank of affiliates, that's how it made the money. There were some big names involved in the launch.
      So basically... the guy launched a new product, promoted the heck out of it, sucked all the potential revenue out of it... then sold it for $10K. Wow.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bish
        Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

        So basically... the guy launched a new product, promoted the heck out of it, sucked all the potential revenue out of it... then sold it for $10K. Wow.
        It would appear that the product was launched into a large affiliate base (basically a product launch), there is always lots of money made over the launch period (in the right hands). But that doesn't mean there isn't potential to make a lot more.

        This kind of listing has become pretty common on Flippa recently.
        The guys selling this are well placed to help out, I notice they offer 1-1 Skype support and help with affiliate recruitment. I'd certainly contact the seller and ask for help if I were the buyer.
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        • Profile picture of the author Wade Watson
          Well, Karen, on one hand you're the kind of customer web marketers dream of. But from your own standpoint-- it's time to stop spending money and start spending time. You obviously need to learn a lot about the ins and outs of web business. You can do that pretty much without any cash outlay to speak of. Investing in a good deal of time reading the experiences of others here at WF is a good place to start.

          Web marketing is by and large a knowledge and skill business, not a capital investment one. You'll be wise to gain a good deal of knowledge and savvy before spending any more money-- if you think it's even necessary to do so then.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    10k for a plugin? Wow.

    That guy is probably rolling around in your money on his bed and making it rain.

    Do some research next time!
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    Isn't the rate is too high?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnZ
      This is what is listed that you will get right, if that's the right listing that someone linked to in a previous response.

      "
      What you get
      • The domain Azoncommissoincrusher.com
      • Exclusive resale and development rights to the plug-ins
      • The product listing, affiliates and customer list on JVzoo
      • 1500+ customers
      • Hundreds of unique affiliates
      • Sales letter, graphics, banners and .PSD files for future editing
      • Any technical support needed to understand and utilize the plugin, site or course
      • Uploading and moving everything to your host
      • Skype help from me or my team members if needed
      • Ongoing affiliate relationships with me and my partners
      • Suggestions on recruiting more affiliates if needed. I've been a speaker at large internet marketing events and have a ton of experience in this field."
      I've bolded the ones that really stood out to me. 1500 customers? does that mean you get the email list of 1500? Ongoing affiliate relationships with him and partners? Customer list on JVZoo? Skype help?



      To get the most out of this I think maybe you should approach it differently and realize that you now have this product and if you can actually get those things that are listed, it would appear you certainly make this worth it down the road, you just have to learn how to move forward with your business - so hopefully the $10K can also go towards education costs in a roundabout way. Then it might not seem so painful and could become well worth it. I would certainly contact him and try your best to get any kind of support/coaching and resources that you can.



      I think it's probably the best thing you can do at this point in my opinion.



      All the best,

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  • Profile picture of the author usfemail
    Wow that really sucks. Yeah before you purchase anything on Flippa that claims to be making income...you need to do your research.

    Hopefully you will be able to get your money back. If not then drive more traffic to it and see if you can get it making more than the $240.

    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    Having looked over the Flippa listing, I don't think it was a scam. The guy was very straight forward about what he was selling.

    Your initial claim that you bought a $10,000 plugin probably wasn't the right wording to use here. What you bought was a website that sells a plugin and the exclusive rights to that plugin (as if you had coded it yourself).

    Whether or not it was worth $10,000 depends on the buyer. Clearly YOU shouldn't have spent $10,000 on this. Someone who could hit the ground running, knows how to promote it and has the affiliates/traffic could possibly justify the final bid. Although I suspect that bidder #2 was just as confused as you are. Bidder #3 stopped at $3,550 and #4 at $2,011. I think the bidders down there were probably more in tune with what they were bidding on.

    The listing states that sales have come from affiliates promoting the product. The question is, why aren't they still pushing it? If you had understood more about the industry before buying this, you'd know that he probably recruited affiliates and they promoted it a bit to their newsletters and blogs and then stopped. That's about how things work with "make money online" products.

    His sales data should have been taken only as evidence that when promoted, it does sell...... not as proof of ongoing income.

    With that being said, I don't care for some of his sales text in the Flippa listing. Referring to the site as a business sets the tone for something that it is not. It's a product, not a business. His statement "This business has the potential for over a million dollars in revenue." was also way out of line. I do get the feeling that he was trying to drum up bids from newbies who don't understand things. You could maaaaaybe have a claim against him in that regard.

    In the future, get assurances that the income is ongoing and demand an Escrow.com transaction with a hold placed on the funds. If something happens where it doesn't have the stated income, that's a breach of contract and you can get your money back.
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
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      Whether or not it was worth $10,000 depends on the buyer. Clearly YOU shouldn't have spent $10,000 on this. Someone who could hit the ground running, knows how to promote it and has the affiliates/traffic could possibly justify the final bid. Although I suspect that bidder #2 was just as confused as you are. Bidder #3 stopped at $3,550 and #4 at $2,011. I think the bidders down there were probably more in tune with what they were bidding

      With that being said, I don't care for some of his sales text in the Flippa listing. Referring to the site as a business sets the tone for something that it is not. It's a product, not a business. His statement "This business has the potential for over a million dollars in revenue." was also way out of line. I do get the feeling that he was trying to drum up bids from newbies who don't understand things. You could maaaaaybe have a claim against him in that regard..[/QUOTE]
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      Thanks so much for looking over the description. I agree it was a bit misleading. Interesting too that bidder #2 had never bid before on Flippa but was willing to go so high. Another newbie I guess.

      Should I try to sell this to recoup some $$? I'm a little wary of passing it on. Sounds like it might do fine in the right hands though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geri Richmond
    Hi,
    I think you're lucky it's made you any money at all. Even though it seems to be legit. Can you return it? That's what I would do.
    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author overseer
    I started internet marketing 3 years ago and I never spent that much money for a product or service! If you have that kind of money, you get yourself a personal coach. With that amount, you can get a high-end coach already.

    Anyway, really hope you can get your money back.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bish
    Why not try re-launching it on CB
    You should have all the numbers (EPCs etc). You might find more affiliates there.
    Did you get the buyers list from the initial launch, if so you could mail them another offer.
    Did the buyer transfer the JVzoo account, and the affiliates who promoted (that's worth quite a bit on it's own)
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
      Originally Posted by Bish View Post

      Why not try re-launching it on CB
      You should have all the numbers (EPCs etc). You might find more affiliates there.
      Did you get the buyers list from the initial launch, if so you could mail them another offer.
      Did the buyer transfer the JVzoo account, and the affiliates who promoted (that's worth quite a bit on it's own)
      Thanks I might try to relaunch on CB. Not sure how to go about that. Guess there are support. I'd love to sell it to someone who can do something with this. Thought I was bidding on an automated business as stated in the flippa description.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayfrank
    I agree with Steve. If it sounds too good then it probably is. $10K? Wow. You must get a refund. Then really invest that money to learn exactly what to do to make money online and create your own business.
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    • Profile picture of the author James Clark
      Originally Posted by kayfrank View Post

      I agree with Steve. If it sounds too good then it probably is. $10K? Wow. You must get a refund. Then really invest that money to learn exactly what to do to make money online and create your own business.
      You would have been better off listening to Kay.(LOL) On her list and I know what I'm doing!
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Kohler
        That's terrible. I would definitely try to get a refund. I have purchased higher priced products like Mass Control, but it was from someone I trusted.

        You might want to surf around the Warrior Forum a bit. Lots of great people here will to help. All the best to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JaxLen3
    Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

    I think the sellers must have a huge email list that they sold it to. They had lots of sales when it first hit the market but now nothing is happening for me except one or two sales here and there. I asked for a refund but no luck there.
    Karen,
    Maybe you could ask the seller for something other than a refund... What I mean is, somehow find out how to contact the other bidders. Maybe the seller knows or Flippa knows. Maybe one of them would buy into the site with you, and split the profits as well,. Perhaps the other bidders were looking to 'work it' a little more than you, while you were looking for more of a turnkey site/product?
    OR
    Not knowing what your budget was, perhaps you have enough money to spend on marketing?
    OR
    Perhaps there is another Warrior viewing this thread who is an excellent traffic or list builder, who could donate their blood/sweat equity to match your 10k paid, and the two of you could team up to make the site/product blow up and begin reaping the profits right away!
    Just a few suggestions. If I knew how to gen traffic, I'd offer myself, but I don't. I'm a rookie too...Sorry.

    That being said, I think she gets it, people.. Karen sees her mistake as so many are quick to point out (not sure that it was one imho). I'm no moderator, but I think there's been enough of the "Oh crap, what the hell did you do" type replies. Those aren't helping solve her problem. Just saying.. Where's the love, Warriors?
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
      Originally Posted by JaxLen3 View Post

      Perhaps there is another Warrior viewing this thread who is an excellent traffic or list builder, who could donate their blood/sweat equity to match your 10k paid, and the two of you could team up to make the site/product blow up and begin reaping the profits right away!


      Thanks, JaxLen. That's a great idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author TQBB1234
    I'm a newbie too. These suggestions are great.
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  • Profile picture of the author commerce cat
    Karen - that sucks. If it makes you feel any better at least you learnt this lesson quickly. There are so many on this forum who have sunk $50 or $500 or $2000 again and again on money making courses and schemes with no results.

    I'm sure if you added it all up, there are plenty of people who have lost well over $10,000 chasing the dream.
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  • Profile picture of the author commerce cat
    Also thanks for sharing your experience - hopefully it will have helped others to know what to look out for in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimitris Skiadas
    Dear Karen..

    A famous saying says :

    "Sometimes you win, sometimes you learn".

    This was your very first valuable lesson in Internet Marketing. Think the bright side of it.
    You got a lot of proposals in what you should do next. Take action and get your money back(plus profit!).

    Wish you the best of luck

    Dimitris
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    • Profile picture of the author KBull
      Originally Posted by Garage667 View Post

      Dear Karen..

      A famous saying says :

      "Sometimes you win, sometimes you learn".

      This was your very first valuable lesson in Internet Marketing. Think the bright side of it.
      You got a lot of proposals in what you should do next. Take action and get your money back(plus profit!).

      Wish you the best of luck

      Dimitris
      Yes! I've been amazed at the support and kindness I've found here. I was afraid I might get a lot of "what an idiot!!"
      So thanks everyone!!
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      • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
        Hi Karen,

        Welcome to the forum.

        I'm so sorry this happened to you. I would definitely try to get your money back. Believe me, we've all made mistakes - some bigger - and it's just another lesson in life. Don't let it stop you from doing what ever it is you want to do.

        In future, I'm sure I don't need to say this but: research everything before you buy something online, anywhere. And please don't be afraid to ask if you're not sure - there are a few people in here who will tell you to search the forum for answers, but there are also quite a number of us who are generous and very patient with new members. You will soon figure out who those people are and you'll be able to ask them in private if you're not comfortable doing so publicly. Always ignore the forum trolls and the haters. Unfortunately, they are present in every forum. Luckily this forum has good mods and the nasty stuff is usually nipped in the bud pretty quickly.

        Take care and good luck with your online ventures.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Lumbergh
    10k ouch! I guess we all have to fall before we climb the top.

    I hope you recover well and will have more success in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Well, after investigating a little further, I believe Karen might actually have a gold-mine here. I think she may have paid a little too much for the site, but the potential is certainly there to re-coup her investment.

      Paid WordPress plugins which enable WordPress users to easily sell stuff from their blogs are easy to promote.

      Karen, your target market is huge. I strongly recommend that you partner with someone who not only knows how to market and to manage affiliates, but also knows WordPress well and can help you with support issues.

      According to the Flippa listing:
      Transfer of Assets:
      All assets pertaining to Azon Commission Crusher are included in the sale. These include the customer base and contact info, The domain, plugin, (all versions), access to the original programmer, all the graphics and sales material as well as suggestions from our team if needed.
      Did you get everything above, Karen?

      Access to the original programmer is huge - as are the suggestions from their team.

      If you do decide to look for a partner, carefully screen them, don't give them access to anything until they sign a partner or joint venture contract - protect your interests and theirs.

      I wish you ever success and you can definitely contact me if you have any other questions or concerns.
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      • Profile picture of the author KBull
        Thanks, Karen. I'm so relieved to hear that you think I might have a potential gold mine.

        No, unfortunately, the sellers have stopped answering my emails so I don't seem have access to the sellers much less the developer.

        Yes, I did get a customer list of about 900 emails -- the Flippa description stated 1500. I was told later that the 3 lists I received were duplicates.

        I would love to partner with someone who is experienced in managing affiliates, knows WP and can deal with support issues. That would be the perfect scenario!
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        • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
          Originally Posted by KarenB View Post

          Thanks, Karen. I'm so relieved to hear that you think I might have a potential gold mine.

          No, unfortunately, the sellers have stopped answering my emails so I don't seem have access to the sellers much less the developer.

          Yes, I did get a customer list of about 900 emails -- the Flippa description stated 1500. I was told later that the 3 lists I received were duplicates.

          I would love to partner with someone who is experienced in managing affiliates, knows WP and can deal with support issues. That would be the perfect scenario!
          wow, unbelievable!
          No, the perfect scenario is that before you do anything, you should have access to everything as was posted in the listing, including access to the developer as promised.

          What happens when WordPress upgrades and your plugin no longer works with the newest version of WordPress? You will be screwed and left with a useless piece of web property.

          if you did not get everything included as described in the Flippa listing then you were ripped off, plain and simple.

          If PayPal won't help you properly, contact an attorney pronto. Good luck, Karen
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          • Profile picture of the author KBull
            Thanks again for your help!!
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