Can I direct link to order form clickbank ?

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Hi,
Can I direct link to order form clickbank ?
Can you show me disadvantages and advantages of this method, please ? Thank you very much !
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  • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
    Yes you can but you must get the vendor's permission.

    Advantage:
    - you can write your own sales page

    Disadvantage:
    - The normal hoplink takes priority over this link: therefore you will not get commission if the visitor has previously gone through another affiliate's hoplink

    - The link does not set a cookie: therefore you will not get commission if the visitor later returns to the site without using that link

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    • Profile picture of the author Dave Everett
      You can, but it is frowned upon by all in marketing.

      Clickbank will not pay you out unless you have had sales from 5 (I think its 5) different cards.
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      • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
        Originally Posted by dalepubs View Post

        You can, but it is frowned upon by all in marketing.
        Who frowns on it? Frankly, I don't care if they frown, when I get commissions this way!

        Originally Posted by dalepubs View Post

        Clickbank will not pay you out unless you have had sales from 5 (I think its 5) different cards.
        This applies to all ClickBank sales - not just these kind of links - so shouldn't be a consideration about whether or not to use these links.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dave Everett
          Originally Posted by SunilTanna View Post

          Who frowns on it? Frankly, I don't care if they frown, when I get commissions this way!
          Depends on your conscience I guess.
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          • Profile picture of the author George Hutton
            Originally Posted by dalepubs View Post

            Depends on your conscience I guess.
            So long as you've got permission from the vendor, no conscience required.

            Just do a split test over time, one hitting the sales page, one going directly to the order page, and see which one does better.

            I doubt any vendor would rather you use his sales page if yours is selling more of his or her product.
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          • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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            Originally Posted by dalepubs View Post

            Depends on your conscience I guess.
            What on Earth are you talking about? What could "conscience" possibly have to do with this?!

            It's a perfectly legitimate, reasonable, ethical, proper and correct thing to do (why would anyone imagine otherwise?!).

            Personally, I wouldn't dream of doing it because of the disadvantages Harvey mentioned in his post above, and because I have no desire at all to start producing my own sales pages for something I'm promoting as an affiliate. I'd far rather just find another product to promote, instead (and there are over 15,000 there to choose from). But there are plenty of people doing it this way (with the vendor's permission, of course), and nothing "wrong" with it at all.
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            • Profile picture of the author Dave Everett
              Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

              What on Earth are you talking about? What could "conscience" possibly have to do with this?! :confused:
              Apologies, perhaps I misunderstood the original question. I thought the question was whether you could SUBSTITUTE the affiliate's clickbank ID with your own before making a purchase..
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              • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
                Originally Posted by dalepubs View Post

                Apologies, perhaps I misunderstood the original question. I thought the question was whether you could SUBSTITUTE the affiliate's clickbank ID with your own before making a purchase..
                That's allowed, too.

                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                I also set the cookie, so anyone that says the cookie can't be set just doesn't know how, it's not because it can't be done. It's not complicated (Google it).
                It's not that it's impossible, but rather that it's not permitted by Clickbank.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by Lucian Lada View Post


                  Originally Posted by yukon

                  I also set the cookie, so anyone that says the cookie can't be set just doesn't know how, it's not because it can't be done. It's not complicated (Google it).
                  It's not that it's impossible, but rather that it's not permitted by Clickbank.
                  Doesn't even make sense...

                  So your saying CB has cookies but it's against CB TOS to set that same cookie?

                  I set the same exact cookie that CB delivers, no big deal.
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                  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
                    He's talking about cookie stuffing. It's not the content of the cookie but how it is set that is at issue.

                    A visitor clicking a clickbank hop link, then getting the cookie is allowed.

                    A visitor merely viewing a page on your site, then getting a cookie, is cookie stuffing.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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                    Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                    So your saying CB has cookies but it's against CB TOS to set that same cookie?
                    I believe that's probably correct, strictly speaking; yes. (I never claimed it was sensible.)

                    I agree with you completely about never sending traffic to a leaky sales page, obviously.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Harvey Segal View Post

      - The link does not set a cookie: therefore you will not get commission if the visitor later returns to the site without using that link
      It sets a cookie If you know what your doing.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I think some sellers would not like you sending people straight to their order form as it bypasses their sales message. This can cause problems for a vendor if the affiliate is incorrectly representing the offer or misleading people (whether intentional or not). It can cause refunds and other problems.

    I think no matter how you choose to do your presell you should always still be sending people to the sales message created by the product vendor as that is what they want potential customers to see before buying.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I always send my traffic directly to the CB checkout from my own self hosted sales page. My sales page only mentions the product description/price, no silly hype like most CB vendor squeeze pages.

    I also set the cookie, so anyone that says the cookie can't be set just doesn't know how, it's not because it can't be done. It's not complicated (Google it).

    The reason I bypass vendor squeeze pages is most are just a scam filled with unnecessary crap like email optin forms. I don't have a problem with vendors collecting emails from affiliate traffic as long as it's done after the sale. I've even seen Adsense on one CB squeeze page (fail).

    Also, it's just poor judgement to promote a product outside of CB, then send the traffic to a 2nd sales page (vendor squeeze page) & then on to the CB checkout. For every hoop you force traffic to jump through, odds are they'll bail before they finish a checkout transaction. Multiple sales pages just confuses the whole process.

    I don't know about anyone else around here but I aim to get paid for my traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Willie Crawford
    Yes, many people make a living from identifying great products,
    with horrible sales copy, and then writing their own self-hosted
    sales pages, and direct linking to the order form. You just need
    to make absolutely sure that you do it properly.

    I bypass many vendors sales pages when I am sending over
    already-sold traffic and the vendor's sales page would just
    "un-sell" the customer.

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Doesn't even make sense...

      So your saying CB has cookies but it's against CB TOS to set that same cookie?

      I set the same exact cookie that CB delivers, no big deal.
      Beware that Clickbank has a low tolerance for cookie stuffing and will terminate your account without warning or recourse if you're caught.

      Almost all of my Clickbank promotions bypass vendor sales pages, but a rather simple alternative I use is to offer free bonuses, and subscribers must clear cookies to ensure proper "credit" for the purchase to receive the bonuses.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Beware that Clickbank has a low tolerance for cookie stuffing and will terminate your account without warning or recourse if you're caught.
        Your either not reading the thread or don't comprehend what your reading, one or the other.









        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Almost all of my Clickbank promotions bypass vendor sales pages, but a rather simple alternative I use is to offer free bonuses, and subscribers must clear cookies to ensure proper "credit" for the purchase to receive the bonuses.
        Sorry, I can't take that comment seriously.

        I doubt traffic is going to clear browser cookies just so you can get credit for a sale.
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Your either not reading the thread or don't comprehend what your reading, one or the other.
          So that others do understand, any method of cookie stuffing is listed specifically in Clickbank's TOS as cause for immediate account termination.

          Sorry, I can't take that comment seriously.

          I doubt traffic is going to clear browser cookies just so you can get credit for a sale.
          Actually this marketing approach has worked astoundingly well for more than 16 years. Whenever a buyer complained they never got their bonus, it was usually because they did not follow directions and I had no record of the sale. However, the bonus was then delivered upon a subsequent successful transaction.
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  • Profile picture of the author TonyNorton
    Hey folks,

    I'm not going to debate the ethics or benefits involved with using this process, instead I'll just tell you how it's done and clear some of the questions about setting your affiliate cookie then direct linking to the payment page.

    Whether you do it or not is totally up to you and I refuse to bear any responsibility for what you do.

    First off... how it's done. There are several, but most people focus on one of a couple standard ways.

    First is to put a 1 pixel iframe on your page that loads your CB generated hoplink into it. Thereby setting your cookie on the viewers computer without them ever seeing the original vendor's sales process.

    There are 2 major problems with this method, as I see it:

    First, Clickbank don't like it. According to their rules (as of the last time I read them, which was a while ago) you can't display any of their pages in an iframe. Although I'm not entirely sure if they consider the sales page hosted on the vendor's site counts as "their" page.

    The second major downside is that the viewer has to have javascript enabled for it to work. But the majority of folks do, so it's not that big of an issue.

    The other most commonly known method is to load a 1 pixel image on your page that links to your hoplink.

    This works a little differently than the iframe method but the end result is the same, your cookie gets dropped.

    Since this method doesn't use use the iframe it's a little safer from a terms violation point of view, but there are a lot of people who disable images in their browsers. So there's that to consider.

    It's up to you which method you use. Personally I use an image link on a redirect page to drop my cookie when the visitor clicks my order link not when they land on my sales page.

    I would like to point out that we are doing a little hair splitting here. The OP was asking if it was possible to do and any up or downsides. Well, the real answer is that it IS ok to direct link to the checkout page, and you can still set your cookie along the way without violating any terms.

    Bypassing the vendor's sales copy is just another technique you can use in your marketing. In the end you still have to decide if you want to use it.

    But I would caution you to make sure that your sales copy and marketing doesn't make any promises that the product doesn't deliver, and any terms and conditions (refund policy etc) you display to the visitor going through your sales process must match clickbank's policies.

    In other words you can't specify "No Refunds" or claim a 365 day guarantee in your sales process when clickbank clearly offers a 60 (sometimes 90) day refund policy.

    Hope this helps.

    Tony.

    P.S. Here is a link to an interesting wiki article about cookie stuffing...
    http://www.en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cookie_stuffing
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    • Profile picture of the author Ihearttaters
      Originally Posted by TonyNorton View Post

      First is to put a 1 pixel iframe on your page that loads your CB generated hoplink into it.

      The second major downside is that the viewer has to have javascript enabled for it to work. But the majority of folks do, so it's not that big of an issue.
      Incorrect. Iframes do not require javascript:
      Code:
      <iframe src="http://your-aff-link-here.com" width="1px" height="1px" style="display:none"></iframe>
      Originally Posted by TonyNorton View Post

      The other most commonly known method is to load a 1 pixel image on your page that links to your hoplink.

      ...but there are a lot of people who disable images in their browsers. So there's that to consider.
      Incorrect. Almost no one disables images in their browsers. Never even heard of it. Allowing images is much more ubiquitous than allowing cookies.

      Originally Posted by TonyNorton View Post

      Well, the real answer is that it IS ok to direct link to the checkout page, and you can still set your cookie along the way without violating any terms.
      Incorrect. Both these methods violate Clickbank's TOS. Whether or not they'll care is another matter.
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  • Profile picture of the author tcharles
    "It's up to you which method you use. Personally I use an image link on a redirect page to drop my cookie when the visitor clicks my order link not when they land on my sales page."

    How do I of this Tony?
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  • Profile picture of the author nim84
    You are better off building a list as you have an asset you can work with

    Direct linking will only serve to bring in short term profits with nothing else to show for it
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  • Profile picture of the author johnkwhite
    Originally Posted by newbieinternet View Post

    Hi,
    Can I direct link to order form clickbank ?


    Can you show me disadvantages and advantages of this method, please ? Thank you very much !


    that will actually violate clickbank's policy and will have your account banned if the vendor turns you in to compliance,you will need to use the cb affiliate hoplink
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  • Profile picture of the author NK
    As a buyer I would prefer to see the original sales page. This is based on my own experience where affiliates tend to skew the original sales message and go in a different direction that's totally irrelevant to what the product actually is or does. I really hate these.

    As an affiliate, it would be far easier and better use of time to find an offer that converts well in the first place and then letting the vendor handle the hard work of selling the product. Rather than helping the person make a sale, I rather find offers that can sell so I just need to focus on delivering qualified traffic. The amount of time spent in recrafting an offer could be used to finding more offers to work with.
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    you will need the guys confirmation
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  • Profile picture of the author Sunganani
    Why do you want to do a direct link to the order page? How does that persuade the client to buy?
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    • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
      Originally Posted by Sunganani View Post

      Why do you want to do a direct link to the order page? How does that persuade the client to buy?
      People generally want to do this for one of two reasons:

      1. They don't like the product's standard sales letter

      or

      2. The vendor sells lots of products, and the landing page is not the right-one, or the specific-one for the product being promoted.

      If you are in contact with the vendor, and can talk to them, a better idea (one which also solves the cookie problem) would be to persuade the vendor to use CBMultiLink (or similar) to offer affiliates a choice of landing pages.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        I'm sorry to see that this old thread's come back to life again.

        Like all the other threads on this subject, it's probably only going to fill with misinformation and erroneous beliefs again, isn't it?

        The simple, factual stuff that anyone potentially interested needs to know about this subject is ...

        1. You need the vendor's permission to link to the order page.

        2. A normal hoplink takes payment-priority over this type of link, so if your prospective customer has another affiliate's cookie already on his computer, you won't earn a commission.

        3. You won't be setting a cookie on your prospective customer's computer at all, so if the visitor doesn't buy immediately but returns later, not through your link, you won't be paid.

        4. Any form of cookie-stuffing you might try, to get round these problems, is contrary to ClickBank's terms of service and you can get your account closed for trying it.

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  • You can do that, but my question to you is why exactly would you want to bypass the vendors sales message to the potential client?

    Do you have a sales letter, or sales process/funnel to send your leads through?

    Most people won't buy something that know nothing about if they get sent straight to the order page.

    I mean how many times do you walk up to the register in the grocery store and give them money before walking around the store and looking for want you want?

    Hope that shines some light on your question.

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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by Thesecret2marketing View Post

      You can do that, but my question to you is why exactly would you want to bypass the vendors sales message to the potential client?

      Do you have a sales letter, or sales process/funnel to send your leads through?

      Most people won't buy something that know nothing about if they get sent straight to the order page.

      I mean how many times do you walk up to the register in the grocery store and give them money before walking around the store and looking for want you want?

      Hope that shines some light on your question.

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      A typical vendor sales page often has leaks, distractions, and incongruent copy that may significantly reduce conversion rates for the affiliate. An experienced marketer with detailed familiarity of the product has a better chance of writing tightly focused copy that presents a more compelling appeal to their targeted prospects.

      For example, as alluded by Willie Crawford above, presold traffic such as continuity-based email campaigns and offline/online sales funnels would be far more favorable to direct links to the order page rather than being subjected to the risk of being "unsold" by the vendor sales page.
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