Article Spinning - is it a killer tactic or a waste of time?

I totally agree -- article spinning sometimes degrades the quality of articles and SEO should not be the sole intention of creating content (on a regular basis that is).

If you're going to put your name on them as the author you should be creating good content. Spun articles are usually done by a machine that doesn't read like we do. So it usually comes out a mess and isn't readable for your visitors.

One of the best advantages of articles is to build your authority in your field. Putting a bunch of spun articles out there that read terribly will not help to do this. Your potential prospects may see your name and the quality of the article and associate the two.

Funny this question comes up now.

For the heck of it I built a website for a certain offline business. I dont have a buyer for it. I simply built it to see the reaction.

Just yesterday I was looking up businesses so that I can contact them asking if they would like to purchase the site. I am getting 4-5 quote requests per day from potential customers from it.

I wrote 4 articles and spun them each myself about 7-8 times changing all sorts of text but keeping the gist the same and the link text of course. The articles have been re-published on approx 80 other websites.

For this particular search phrase I occupy (or at least my article does) 32 of the first 40 spots on Google. I chuckled. Here I am looking for a tradesman and all I can find is my website. *funny*

Anyway, spinning articles worked for me.

I think many successful warriors can prove this to be profoundly untrue.

Obviously you ave no idea how many Top Authors on EZA use spun articles ...lol

James

Thank you for saying this more clearly than I could muster James. It is absolutely true, I just think that "spinning" is tantamount to saying "bird flu" for some reason.

Which Spinners are the best out there?

What's a "human controlled" spinner? How does it work? How is it different than a regular spinner?

I agree - heres a tip - first go through and enter the synonyms like a normal spin - make the articles

Then select the best paragraphs from these & other spun articles and spin by mixing paragraphs rather than words.

This makes it almost totally new content.

Absolutely.

It really depends on how deep you want to go with unique content. If you post to free blogs, create lenses and hubpages and weebly sites, and submit deep into the article banks, you can easily have hundreds or thousands of unique articles for every new forum.

I prefer WPspinner since I use Wordpress for my blogging/website platforms. It does a number of things, but I just use it to spin articles, summaries, resource boxes, titles, and subtitles.

format: { [ | ] ~ [ | ] }

All sentences are natural because you do the spinning, not some thesaurus. Spin sentences, paragraphs, or individual words. Faster than a speeding bum marketer.

A 500 word article spun deep will yield about 1500~2000 words. Takes me about 4 hours to go deep. The best bum marketers will get 15 to 20 articles in that time frame. I will get an unlimited number at 70~80% unique.

Put your whole article with all of the sections needed by the article directories into a wp blog, refresh the page to spin, then cut and paste the sections into the article directory submission form.

If you put the base spun copy into WP, your visitor will see a different version of the article on every visit.

Charles

@SoundsGood
I'm new article spinning. I usually submit my articles to a few places such as Ezine Articles and Associated Content. Where else do you submit your articles and what is a good article spinner.

Respectfully,
Joey Dodge

I've looked at Jet Spinner and also whole heartedly agree that it would be much easier to rewrite the article yourself. For me just taking the time to write the syntax will be time consuming, let alone checking my variations if I've done them right or not.

Then I ran across Human Spinner and found that you can actually have a human rewrite your article with three different variations per sentences/paragraphs AND also install the syntax for spinning the article!

Sign up is free and the cost can vary b/w $3 - $6 per article, and we would be able to accept or reject each rewritten sentence/paragraph. I know a successful marketer who has been using it for a while now with no complains. say using this would be the most use of my time.

A good plan of action I thought of as I was browsing the sight, if you really want an almost "hands off" automated process, would be to use free PLR articles and spin them using Human Spinner

- Nice plan huh?

Here is the link for it and it is not my affiliate link(no affiliate opportunity): Human Spinner


Vipul Shah

Articles are more useful than just posting to blogs or article directories. This is where the power of a "real spinner" comes into play... Articles have more of a repurpose value then what most think.

I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

Use 1 to submit to article directories
Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
Use 2 to create a hubpage
Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
Use 2 to post to my blog
Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
Use 3 to post to news release sites

There are more that can be done but you just need to think outside the box. By using the proper spinner you can create a very powerful marketing campaign with just 1 article.

Let's assume I paid someone to write the original article, with the above I just done massive exposure that cost my business $10 - $15 and about 3 days work.

The alternative: Let's assume you needed a writer to write the content for the above. 20 articles at $10 a pop is $200. So you just spent $200 for the above and 3 days work.

Logically which option is more effective especially with this economy ??

Personally myself I would rather pay for the 1 Article and then use it to create all that massive exposure by spinning the article (using a proper spinner)..

James

Your welcome ... Also I just purchased your article re-write service and sent you $15 for 5 article re-writes, I know your site says $10 but I sent an extra $5 because some of my articles are slightly over 500 words...

James

Actually,if you use the right product, not only will you NOT have
to proof your work, but you can get a much better finished product.

HTH

Glenn

Hi Alice,
What I have and Glenn has is 100% different than anything else on the market. Yes all those crappy spinners use pre-set databases and those god aweful {keyword1|keyword2|keyword3} crap... What a "real" spinner does is use the actual words from the writer himself / herself.

The problem with many is they give bad advice saying it dont work because they either have tried a crappy spinner or they have been told all spinners are crap to begin with and they have never actually used one before.

Fact is if I can use a "real" spinner to produce 20 articles in 45 minutes and then use those 20 articles (as mentioned in my post above) and spend 3 days creating massive exposure / backlinks..

~vs~

Either spending $200 + 3 days or spend 5 days writing and then 3 days doing the mass exposure.

Then why should I not take advantage and do this, I mean it is all still controlled by myself as the writer and I save a great amount of money and time. Instead of spending those 5 days writing I could be doing more to gain exposure for my business...

This is what many fail to see because they have been trained spinners are "Evil" and nothing could be further from the truth. Spinners save a great deal of time and money and can be used for very powerful and effective means, if you use the proper tool the proper way.

James

Yes we are Alice. The systems that James and myself own are human
controlled, to coin James's phrase. You decide exactly what YOU want as
part of your output, and our systems will then create high quality articles
based on that input. That's why I often call ArtiFact a 'Content Creation
System'.

Because we've independently developed our systems, we offer other
unique additional features from each other. I'm not going to say any more
than that about our systems, in case I'm accused of pimping.

HTH

Glenn

I've tried a product that does just that...

You load your original article, and then go through the program adding alternate paragraphs and headlines. Then, the spinner goes to work to intermix those different paras and headlines.

The end result was garbage. Some articles only had 2 paragraphs, others had 6-8 like the original, and some didn't make sense because the parts that were not intermixed left out details about the topic.

And it produced over 60,000 versions! I couldn't stop it.

One other product that I kind of like, but it does require work, is WordFlood. You enter your article and go through each line and alternate synonyms throughout - that the program highlights for you and provides suggestions. You just pick which ones you want to change. It is 100% manual.

You would repeat this exercise for whatever number of articles you want when you're done.

So if you want 3 articles, you'd do it 3x using your original article as the source.

Time consuming, yes, but at least you have a readable product when you're done that looks totally unique to the SEs. And it can be a bit quicker than writing an entirely new article from scratch.



Sylvia

Not complicated at all even Steven W. tested it and did so with no problem ... As I said I can produce 50 articles easily within 2 hours and all of them be above 60% uniqueness.. There is no writer that can write 50 articles in 2 hours.

Everything is controlled by the writer and there is no need to reply on some pre-set database that could cause issues. How about trying to edit a 800 word article with a bunch of {editme|editme|editme} inside the article. You see it would be a very hard job.

On the other hand Human Controlled Spinner if you make a mistake just edit the spinpoint key.. easy..

James

That would be me.

I see your point, but why would we need 50 to 150 articles of the same topic?

Clever idea, but...

Wouldn't that be considered plagiarism? Totally different than using a spinner and, IMO, unethical.

AL

Only when English is not your native language and you use synonyms suggested by the "spinner". If you take the time to rewrite it on a sentence by sentence basis (and you have a good command of English), then the articles are as good as the original(s).

But, you need a good command of English, same as you do for non-spun articles.

If you can't string a coherent sentence together in English, nothing will help you.

G.I.G.O. (garbage in, garbage out).

Exactly! I can always tell when articles have been spun, even after the writer claims that they used a "human powered" spinner. There's just something lost...and for certain types of businesses the poor quality of the writing is going to hurt the business.

I can see using one if you just want the backlinks...but this isn't going to get you very far in information marketing.

I don't think everyone has a true idea what a quality article rewriter can do. If set up properly, this can take many hours, the content will be as good as hand writing articles one at time. With good spinners each sentence or paragraph has to be originally created first and than the spinner choose the variable. If you take the time to create all the material and plan it properly you can create dozens of article that will be >60% unique. The initial setup can take time but once done it very simple.

I would say that article spinning Is a waste of time, you are better off just to write fresh quality content. Think like the readers of your content. Would you want to read junk, or quality content.

You criticize article spinning, then you link to one? What's going on here?

Agreed. I don't know why those percentages are so low, when I thought they should be higher. Anyway from the paragraph I read in this video, you can see that it is nearly 100% unique. Here is a video I made using it:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ork-video.html

I disagree 200% and I will explain why, some of those lurkers back there looking for great ideas read real close...

I have posted over and over on the subject of articles and the "fact" is articles are used for way more than just submitting them to article directories for "traffic" and "backlinks" as soooooooo many people seem to suggest that is all they are good for.

Do we really need to list all the uses for articles, again!!

* Create PDF's and Other Documents
~ (ever hear of document sharing sites) ~
* Create Short Reports
~ (want to build a list ?) ~
* Create Blog Post / FaceBook Post / Tweets
~ (this can be automated) ~
* Create Hubpages / Squido Lens
~ (perfect for these sites) ~
* Create New Release / Press Release
~ (requires a little tweaking) ~
* Create Full Length Digital Reports
~ (well, want to sell an ebook ?) ~
* Create Affiliate Sales Copy
~ (yeah the merchants suck, use your own) ~
* Create Affiliate Ads
~ (again the merchants suck, use your own) ~
* Create Article Videos
~ (getting very popular, fast) ~
* Use In Social Networks
~ (they have blogs, comments, and etc) ~
* Create Classified Ads
~ (why write when you already have the text) ~

That is just a small list, the list goes on and on... Yes "SPUN" articles can be used for all the above. This is already a proven "fact" that it can be done and is being done by those that want to work smart.

Using the proper tools spun articles are also "Premium Content" I do not know why people give bad advice saying that spun articles are junk when it has been proven over and over again that this is fasle.

Ok so you with me so far.. You got the above burned into your head, right ???

The reason why I disagree with the post above is this...

If a membership offered PLR articles (not the same junk you see on giveaway events) that are written properly and covered 50 different niches. For the sake of this post let's say it covers the hot trends that are going around such as dating, weight loss, golf, dog training, and etc..

The membership offers a monthly subscription for $47.97 a month to have access to these 50 different packages of hot trends. Each pack will contain 25 articles. That alone is well worth the cost of membership when you consider having articles written at $3, $4, $10 a pop.. So you get access to 1,250 articles every single month for a small fee..

Sounds great huh ? Well we want to add more value than that and plus make life 200% easier for your members that are going to just love you..

We are going to take each of those 50 packs that have 25 articles and we are going to use a proper tool and spin them into 625 articles (that is each article spun 25 times). Because we used a proper tool each article is going to be 60%+ in uniqueness.

So now you have 50 packs (each in a different niche) that include 1 original article and 625 spun articles. Which now gives your members access to a total of 31,300 total articles every single month.

Now you just increased your membership value by 10 fold easily. I will explain why you have increased it so pay attention real close.

Your members have just had a great deal of work done for them because now all they need to do is go and get these articles out there. I am going to base this on a member just using 3 of those 50 packs.

* They load up 250 of them into word (or other similar programs) and they turn them into .doc format with the specified links they want to use. They save and go to a few document sharing websites and load them up. This will generate massive and I do mean massive traffic alone. Once they load them up all they need to do is bookmark and submit their rss feed.

* Next your member takes 150 more and install 3 blogs and use a auto drip feature (many sites or plugins offer this). They load up the articles and let it drip feed to their blogs -- All on auto-pilot. Other plugins for tweets and ect can be used here also for extra traffic

* Next your member takes 50 of those articles and create a auto responder series for the purpose of opt-ins. The offer a email course on their 3 blogs they just installed. Again this is on auto pilot.

* Now your member takes 150 articles and blast those out to article directories. A little work is requires with the keywords and adding the resource box but other than that they have a good amount of articles out there with little effort.

* Next your members goes tothe WSO section and grabs up one of those softwares that create squidoo lens. They use another 200 articles and slap up about 100 different squidoo's. They could use hubpages also but need to be careful here as google is picky...

* Now your member takes and splits up about 100 articles between the social networks they are a member of and post on the blogs, comments, create short post (which again short post can be automated).

* Now your member takes 500 more articles and zips on over to myarticlenetwork or similar site and slap those 500 articles in the system and let all the blog owners pick them up and post them to their blogs. Since the articles are already spun the blog owners will love to publish them because it is not the "same" content over and over.

So your member just used 1,400 articles and created one heck of a massive backlinks / traffic campaign that will generate them traffic and sales.

If your member wants to get real sneaky they also could just toss up a article directory and every month add a few thousand articles to their own article directory.. If done properly and using the right script google would just love them and show them that love too...

So now you just helped your member save $thousands$ by not needing to pay for articles or any rewrites. You also just handed them a huge monthly income on a silver plater.

Since you have increased the value of your membership by doing this you are now going to set your monthly fee at $147.97 a month. Guess what ?? It is still well worth the monthly fee because there is no way you can get those kind of articles written for no where near $150..

Also since you are taking and spinning these articles you do not want to saturate the market so you limit ( I mean really limit, not just say it) your membership to 200 members only.

Bottom line is... The poster above is wrong when he says it will not be good for a membership site. You just provided one heck of a deal for your members and helped them create a nice monthly income and you also just created yourself a $30,000 a month business.

You find some good writers pay them a decent wage $5,000 a month should cover it and you still have a very nice recurring income.

So now those that was just reading this lurking in the background you have just been given a 6 figure a year idea.. You have no more reason to lurk in the shadows...

James

It's obvious that you have not even read the thread.. I have posted proof over and over as well as others have. I have articles that out rank EZA, if that is not proof nothing is...

If you use the proper tools -- "Human Spinner" and you do all the writing yourself, how can you call that something that would make you throw up ??? Like many you have been mis-lead into thinking spun articles are junk.. Well if you put junk in then you get junk out.. Use a proper tool, the proper way, and you use your "own" content, then you get beautifully crafted articles ...

James

Hi therichjerksnet,

I come to the forum this morning and the front page is littered with OLD spinner threads, all bumped today by two different NEW anonymous posters, and the bumps all ask questions like this -

...and continue with you writing essays in reply, all about your amazing products.

Coincidence?

If one looks back at post #50 on page 2 of this thread, from three weeks ago -

Only if dyslexic or non-English speaking persons use it. When written and spun by those with good English skills they will produce good (not necessarily great) articles.

The spinners are not the problem, crappy authors, even if they are native English speakers are what causes crappy articles.

G.I.G.O. (garbage in, garbage out).
Q.I.Q.O. (quality in, quality out).

If you can't string a coherent sentence together in English, no tool/software will help.

BTW I use Paul Forcey's Article Helper Pro (google it) to rewrite articles by paragraph, then import these into Magic Article Rewriter (plenty of refernces to that on the WF) to rewrite these on a sentence by sentence basis. I RARELY use synonyms. Not blowing my own (well not much anyway) horn, but I get usable well written articles because I have a reasonable command of English (I could read and write before I started school).

It has nothing to do with the "spinners".

Again - I would never personally spin articles -I think it is lazy and shows a lack of respect to site visitors and is not the strategy of someone wishing to build a business.

That said, if the spun articles are on an AdSense site - which is all they are good for - then ****ing off the visitors is not necessarily a bad thing, because they are once only visitors anyway who will leave by the most obvious link - an AdSense link.

I've always says that if you need more than half a dozen or so articles in
total (over a period of time), then it's worthwhile investing your time in a
GOOD article spinning tool or service. If you need a handful or less, ever,
then do the job by hand.

HTH

Glenn

There are more than 2, and this is the best one IMHO -

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ork-video.html

I agree spinning does work ONLY if you put the effort in.

It is a right pain thinking up mutliple sentences and getting them read properly when spun.

It also depends on the subject you are spinning about... it's easier if its about a subject you are interested in like 'hair loss' or 'erectile dysfunctions' - I write under a nom de plume for every niche!

This is an age-old debate that is unlikely to ever be resolved, but for those that think spinning produces crap quality articles only good enough for search engines... would you say that applies to the articles below?

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Article 1:

For a very long time Black Monday 1987 will be remembered for one of the most severe one day declines ever experienced on Wall Street. Yes, October 19 of 1987 is one date that will be remembered time and time again.

The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Unfortunately, the never ending assault by the market had resulted in stocks that were heavily overvalued, and P/E ratios that were unsustainable. The argument presented by the bulls was that new developments in the economy justified the valuation levels. Many people believed the promise by the gurus that "this time, things are very different". Can you believe that?

The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. A case in point was that at the time there was an uncomfortably large number of cases involving insider trading that were being investigated. The signs were ominous to those that noticed.

The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. People could sense the fear in the market, although nobody knew exactly what was to follow. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

Such was the severity of the 1987 Stock Market crash that the NASDAQ software system could not cope with the selling pressure, while on the NYSE trading was stopped several times.

By the end of that fateful day in 1987, the DJIA had lost about 23% of it's value. Investors all over the world were badly bruised by the events of Black Monday.

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Article 2:

If you witnessed the events of Black Monday 1987, I can assure that they will not be forgetting them in a hurry... and that's a promise. October 19, 1987 is the date that will live long in the memory of many of us.

There was no sign that the five year bull market had any plans of changing course. Price Earning ratios were too high comfort, and as expected this was accompanied by stocks which were unbelievably overvalued. The gurus on TV assured us that the valuations were not overvalued because we were in a new economy. They argued that this time 'things were different', and that the Stock Market's rise could continue unabated.

Observant eyes noticed that things weren't all that they seemed on Wall Street. For instance, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was investigating several cases of fraud at the time. The writing on the wall was clear.

The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. Even though nobody had a clue that the 10% fall was just a precursor to worse things on the horizon, there was a lot of fear in the market. The crash of Black Monday proved that people had every reason to be afraid.

The crash was so severe that the software system used by the NASDAQ could not handle the frenzied selling in the market. Even the NYSE had to halt trading several times during the day.

When the market eventually closed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 23% lower than it was at the start of trading. Black Monday was black in more ways than one.

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Article 3:

The memories of events that unfolded on Black Monday 1987 will live with us for many decades to come. How many of us will ever forget the 19th of October 1987?

The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Not many heeded the warning signs posed by overvalued stocks, and Price/Earning ratios which were way to high. The mantra at the time was, "don't panic... the economy has evolved". Yeah right! All of them told us that "things were different this time", and that there was absolutely no cause for alarm.

The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. This was exemplified by a number of SEC investigations into insider trading and other fraudulent practices. Things were brewing under the surface.

Just a week before the market crashed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (Dow Jones) lost over 9% of its value. Nobody knew what exactly was to follow, but the fear on Wall Street was palpable. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

The 1987 Stock Market crash was so severe that the NASDAQ software system buckled under the relentless selling pressure, and on the NYSE, trading was halted several times during the session.

The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 23% of its value that day. Black Monday was a Black day... one that won't be forgotten any time soon.

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I've been thinking this as well.

Some of the 300 word articles I spin can reach 1100 words in total with all their added alternative phrases. I have a feeling though that the programming randomly selects alternatives within the brackets, and doesn't have a function to maximise variation.


Spun articles definitely don't have to be bad - like anything, it's all about technique. And that means sentence structure and grammar to ensure that you can easily add new phrases that are both syntactically equivalent, and fit into the rest of the text.

Hi Kenneth,

Do you mind sharing with us your reason for saying this? I happen to disagree, so was just wondering what your statement is based on.

Thanks.

Have you been reading the same thread you just posted to?

Who says my 'spun' articles don't contain my original ideas? I
write the original seed article, and I add all the variations and
permutations that I want to use. In other words, I use MY
brain, and as a result, I get highly effective articles.

HTH

Glenn

Yep. It will be hard to get away with spun articles with the good directories such as EZA. But if you spin your articles the right way, Google will even 'reward' you with higher rankings.

It's all in the how.

Search Engines are not as wise as they want us to think they are.
Magicians use the same tricks of misdirection to look where they
want us to look. It looks like you're basing your opinion on one single
event. I have a history of using many many spun articles in all sorts of
environment, and have only been punished when I push the envelope to
see how far I can get away with things. Now I use the right tools, well
within the self discovered boundaries, and get good results.

You say your article got spanked by a directory, what was the actual
reason?

Glenn

You are spot on... for the majority of case, I don't think it is necessary to do the level of spinning I did in that example. To be on the safe side, because you never know when Google will change their algorithm, I still like to do some spinning.

Content Boss has been much maligned on this board, but I think it has vastly improved from what it used to be. In many cases, spinning with CB and then validating/editing the output is often good enough for me... and that will only take a max of 5 minutes (in most cases less than 5 mins) per article.

However, there's a commercial project that I have in mind that does require that level of spinning.

Are you thinking of spinning multiple versions of one article for the same client? How many versions?

You can certainly say that again!

You'd be positively shocked at what you could rank #1 in Google with or should that be without? :p

was this a machine spun reply, it sure made no sense to me

There is more than one way to skin a cat.

Using a word processing application is most certainly not the only way to spin articles effectively or without spamming.

At the end of the day, people will use what works best for them. For me, it won't be a word processor. As they say, one man's meat...

I have articles in EZA that ARE spun. Not under my own name obviously,
but if you use the right tools in the right way, you'll get truly excellent
results.

I think you need to re-read this thread, because we ave proved that you
can very good results indeed using the right software.

Glenn

It is better to use a proper tool to begin with ..

As for EZA and their so-called "we do not allow spun articles" Ha!! 35%+ of the site is made up of spun articles. Many articles in EZA are junk but there are also many that know what they are doing such as Glenn that can produce an article with "spinning" it and it will look perfectly normal and you would never know it was "spun" ...

James

Good point Allen.

Allen,

I do this routinely.. have done for years. I'm about to
start beta testing building VREs using spun content,
with different keywords, with automatic ClickBank ID's
for my testers. The content will be built over time, and
organically. All they need do is market their blogs in the
usual way.

HTH

Glenn

They both are not spun.. I wrote the original but then again every single word you see there was written by me and not some pre-set database of words... There was a total of 25 spun articles produced from the original and they are between 47% - 70% in uniqueness.

PM sent by the way ... Us mac users use online tools ...

James