Article Spinning - is it a killer tactic or a waste of time?

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Hey warriors,

I'm fairly new to the forum and want to know people's thoughts on article spinning.

I've done it well in the past to great success but the quality of so many of the services offering spinning vary beyond measure.

Does anybody have the killer strategy completely mastered, working and automated?
#article #killer #spinning #tactic #time #waste
  • Profile picture of the author Slippy
    I am personally against article spinning. I say create new fresh content, create content for people... NOT search engines... and you will always do ok.
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    • Originally Posted by Slippy View Post

      I am personally against article spinning. I say create new fresh content, create content for people... NOT search engines... and you will always do ok.
      I totally agree -- article spinning sometimes degrades the quality of articles and SEO should not be the sole intention of creating content (on a regular basis that is).
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by TheBrainchildGroup View Post

        I totally agree -- article spinning sometimes degrades the quality of articles and SEO should not be the sole intention of creating content (on a regular basis that is).
        Originally Posted by Slippy
        I am personally against article spinning. I say create new fresh content, create content for people... NOT search engines... and you will always do ok.
        Article spinning has nothing to do with content created for search engines. Both of you need to see the example I posted. It is fully fresh, unique, and written for the "reader".

        Spun content for 100th time has been going on for many many years and even offline publishers of major magazines spin content. This is nothing new and has nothing to do with creating content just for seo purposes or just for backlinks.

        Spun articles have just as much uniqueness to them as freshly written articles because the fact is a spun article that is done properly is fresh content when the writer has full control over all the words.

        Just becuase a junk spinner uses some pre-set database of words does not mean all spinners do.

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Green
    Every one that I have used has pretty much sucked. I have tried a lot of them. There is one Jet Spinner it is called, it works pretty good, but it is very time consuming. I agree with slippy, just write new content.
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  • Profile picture of the author CurtisN
    Article spinning is good for saving the money and time needed to write additional articles from scratch. The problem is that you need articles both for the links and the visitors, so if you have a spun article, you aren't going to get visitors because spun articles are usually crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tyson Faulkner
      If you're going to put your name on them as the author you should be creating good content. Spun articles are usually done by a machine that doesn't read like we do. So it usually comes out a mess and isn't readable for your visitors.

      One of the best advantages of articles is to build your authority in your field. Putting a bunch of spun articles out there that read terribly will not help to do this. Your potential prospects may see your name and the quality of the article and associate the two.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marty S
        Program (robot) spinning is a waste of time, but I do believe there is good reason to have at least a few different versions of an article. I use Power Article Rewriter which is very good and simple to use, but it is all my own re-writing. The software just helps with collating and synonym replacement which is a real productivity booster.

        Now it's true that original articles are always best but I don't think OP is asking that guys. The crux of it is to get as much mileage out of every article you write. In that sense I do think you should have an original version for your website, and maybe a few others for your blogs and social media, and yet another 2 or 3 for article directories.

        What you don't need is 50 versions. Let the article directories fight over the 2 or 3 versions you submit there, and you just use your original content on your websites. 8 to 10 versions should do fine and is much better than having identical content on all your own sites and self-linking locations.

        Its just my way of doing things anyhow.
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  • Profile picture of the author mikaere
    thanks for the read i have a fresh site and thinking about writing articals...it does seem time consuming but wouldn't original content be good for the reader cause at the end of the day it's word of mouth...... although you could play the serps game aswell.
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    • Profile picture of the author Craig McPherson
      Funny this question comes up now.

      For the heck of it I built a website for a certain offline business. I dont have a buyer for it. I simply built it to see the reaction.

      Just yesterday I was looking up businesses so that I can contact them asking if they would like to purchase the site. I am getting 4-5 quote requests per day from potential customers from it.

      I wrote 4 articles and spun them each myself about 7-8 times changing all sorts of text but keeping the gist the same and the link text of course. The articles have been re-published on approx 80 other websites.

      For this particular search phrase I occupy (or at least my article does) 32 of the first 40 spots on Google. I chuckled. Here I am looking for a tradesman and all I can find is my website. *funny*

      Anyway, spinning articles worked for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author marketopoly
    Having tried several different article spinners, I find it's just as easy to rewrite from scratch, rather than having to redo spun articles.

    Also, if you're endeavoring to build a long-term business on the web, I'd definitely advise against using spun articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jaysmyne
    I think its more hassle and trouble than its worth but the only method/program I found that worked really well was datapresser.
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  • Profile picture of the author SullyUI
    It's a bad idea. You should get your article research information from a wide variety of sources, and the last place to get good information is other people's articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author djenyns
    We found what we thought was a great service in content spooling network but it turns out the quality can go from amazing to completely terrible.

    I think it's a great tactic but can be so tricky to find great services for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Oh wow another "Let's Bash Spinners" thread ... I love it when people are so wrong that they have no idea how wrong they really are.

    Fact: Article Spinners Do Work
    Fact: Use a Real Article Spinner
    Fact: Spinners Can and Do Produce Proper Articles
    Fact: Using a Human Controlled Spinner Will Produce Articles Just As Good As The Original

    What many seem to do is try some junky free spinners and then since they do not work well for them, they put down all spinners. Unless those of you that are downgrading spinners have used "everyone" on the market, do not post "they don't work" because the fact is you do not know that unless you tried every single spinner on the market.

    It is already a proven fact that using the proper spinner can and does produce perfectly readable articles, the reason why is using the proper spinner that is human controlled can not produce junk unless you write junk. A human controlled spinner is one that is controlled fully by the writer, no stupid {keyword|keyword2|keyword3} crap, no pre-set database... I am talking about a spinner that is 100% controlled by the writer himself/herself.

    To answer the OP this depends upon what you want to do... Is it a good idea to change up your content ?? Well sure it is but it is not something that is required. Spinner are not a waste of time, you just need to use the proper spinner and use it the way it was meant to be used.

    I can produce 50 articles in less than 2 hours and all will be perfectly readable and have 60%+uniqueness... You can not write that many articles in 2 hours by hand.

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Fact: Article Spinners Do Work
      Fact: Use a Real Article Spinner
      Fact: Spinners Can and Do Produce Proper Articles
      Fact: Using a Human Controlled Spinner Will Produce Articles Just As Good As The Original

      What many seem to do is try some junky free spinners and then since they do not work well for them, they put down all spinners. Unless those of you that are downgrading spinners have used "everyone" on the market, do not post "they don't work" because the fact is you do not know that unless you tried every single spinner on the market.

      It is already a proven fact that using the proper spinner can and does produce perfectly readable articles, the reason why is using the proper spinner that is human controlled can not produce junk unless you write junk. A human controlled spinner is one that is controlled fully by the writer, no stupid {keyword|keyword2|keyword3} crap, no pre-set database... I am talking about a spinner that is 100% controlled by the writer himself/herself.
      Thank you for saying this more clearly than I could muster James. It is absolutely true, I just think that "spinning" is tantamount to saying "bird flu" for some reason.
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    • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Fact: Article Spinners Do Work
      Fact: Use a Real Article Spinner
      Fact: Spinners Can and Do Produce Proper Articles
      Which Spinners are the best out there?

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Fact: Using a Human Controlled Spinner Will Produce Articles Just As Good As The Original
      What's a "human controlled" spinner? How does it work? How is it different than a regular spinner?
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

        Which Spinners are the best out there?
        Self promotion is not allowed here so can't answer that ..


        Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

        What's a "human controlled" spinner? How does it work? How is it different than a regular spinner?
        Just as the name says using SpinLeverage Technology a "human" writer controls every single bit of text to create and spin the content.

        Here is a simple explaination:

        The composer is used for you to create a master article for the purpose of spinning the article to output many different versions of your article. The composer uses Spinpoint Keys & Text for your to enter into your article to create the different versions.

        Spinpoint Keys & Text will remain once you create them unless you delete them so you will not need to add Spinpoint Keys & Text everytime you want to spin a article.

        If you have a list of Spinpoint Keys & Text in a text file that are tab delimited then you can also upload this text file to add your key tags & spinpoints faster.

        Creating a Spinpoint - Click on the blue link "Add Spinpoint" and a form will appear. The first field is to add your Spinpoint Key and the second field is to add your Spinpoint Text.

        For Example: name a new Spinpoint Key "Hello" then follow up the Spinpoint Text with "Hello, how are you doing today"

        You will want to create several Spinpoints under the Spinpoint Key "Hello" so let's add another one such as "Hi there john, how are you this fine morning"

        Now you have 2 alternatives to use for the Spinpoint Key "Hello" so you will go to your article and where you want this text to show put your cursor and then click on the Spinpoint Key "Hello". Now in your article you will see {Hello} so when you spin your article, it will use both spinpoints you added and at random replace that text.

        Once you have created all your Spinpoint Keys & Text and entered those into your article then you can save this Master Article by clicking on the submit button. Make sure you fill out the other fields on the form.

        There is no use synonyms or insert curly braces that rely on a thesaurus. It is controlled 100% by the writer, so if there is a mistake then the only way it happened was the writer made a mistake.

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        • Profile picture of the author James Pateman
          I'm happy with doing both.


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          • Profile picture of the author SMS
            Spinners are certainly not a waste of time, but you need to know how to use them effectively. Have a look at the articles in my post above (Post #120). I can produce 40 similar articles at the click of a button, and it took me less than an hour to setup.

            That's the power and beauty of spinning, guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Burton
        Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

        Which Spinners are the best out there?


        What's a "human controlled" spinner? How does it work? How is it different than a regular spinner?
        In answer to the question of which spinners are the best out there, I do know there are others that work similarly to these, but these are the two I know of which fit the "human controlled spinner", and although I have not used them, I would say this TYPE of spinner would be your best choice.

        Since I am not in any way affiliated with these, this would not be construed as self-promotion. ArtiFact (Article Factory) and Power Article Rewriter

        As I said, I have NOT used these products, but they do provide excellent illustration of what a Human Controlled Spinner is, and both appear to be effective at what they do.

        Normally, I wouldn't suggest something I have not used, but if these products do as their videos indicate, they could be very useful to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukinari84
        To me it all depends on what the content will be used for. If
        I'm doing a quick-hit type of promotion where I want to get many
        sites ranked fast, then I will usually use one piece of content
        on multiple properties.

        If it's more of a long-term strategy I'm going after, then I
        will definitely use more unique content. I use Human Spinner
        or outsource article writing/spinning. Since it's done by an
        actual human, it get's better rankings and results most of the
        time.
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      • Profile picture of the author markvsc
        Personally, I haven't seen an article spinner that produces good, coherent, readable articles.

        I've only tried the free versions in order to test them out, but none produced properly for me.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by markvsc View Post

          Personally, I haven't seen an article spinner that produces good, coherent, readable articles.

          I've only tried the free versions in order to test them out, but none produced properly for me.
          That is because you have not used the proper tool - free, you get what you pay for...

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          Affiliate marketing is one of the most effective and powerful ways of earning some money online. However, like all businesses, there are many pitfalls in the affiliate marketing business. Committing some of the most common mistakes will cost the marketers a large portion taken from the profit they are making everyday. That is why it is better to avoid them than be regretful in the end.

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          Which one is the original ? Can you tell me ? There is a 47% difference and yes this is a spun article using the "proper" tool and spinning "properly"...

          James
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    • Profile picture of the author gareth
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Oh wow another "Let's Bash Spinners" thread ... I love it when people are so wrong that they have no idea how wrong they really are.

      Fact: Article Spinners Do Work
      Fact: Use a Real Article Spinner
      Fact: Spinners Can and Do Produce Proper Articles
      Fact: Using a Human Controlled Spinner Will Produce Articles Just As Good As The Original

      What many seem to do is try some junky free spinners and then since they do not work well for them, they put down all spinners. Unless those of you that are downgrading spinners have used "everyone" on the market, do not post "they don't work" because the fact is you do not know that unless you tried every single spinner on the market.

      It is already a proven fact that using the proper spinner can and does produce perfectly readable articles, the reason why is using the proper spinner that is human controlled can not produce junk unless you write junk. A human controlled spinner is one that is controlled fully by the writer, no stupid {keyword|keyword2|keyword3} crap, no pre-set database... I am talking about a spinner that is 100% controlled by the writer himself/herself.

      To answer the OP this depends upon what you want to do... Is it a good idea to change up your content ?? Well sure it is but it is not something that is required. Spinner are not a waste of time, you just need to use the proper spinner and use it the way it was meant to be used.

      I can produce 50 articles in less than 2 hours and all will be perfectly readable and have 60%+uniqueness... You can not write that many articles in 2 hours by hand.

      James
      I agree - heres a tip - first go through and enter the synonyms like a normal spin - make the articles

      Then select the best paragraphs from these & other spun articles and spin by mixing paragraphs rather than words.

      This makes it almost totally new content.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by gareth View Post

        I agree - heres a tip - first go through and enter the synonyms like a normal spin - make the articles

        Then select the best paragraphs from these & other spun articles and spin by mixing paragraphs rather than words.

        This makes it almost totally new content.
        I do not use synonyms, that is part ofthe problem why many produce gibberish and then they blame all "spinners" ...

        James
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    • Profile picture of the author chazlcom
      Absolutely.

      It really depends on how deep you want to go with unique content. If you post to free blogs, create lenses and hubpages and weebly sites, and submit deep into the article banks, you can easily have hundreds or thousands of unique articles for every new forum.

      I prefer WPspinner since I use Wordpress for my blogging/website platforms. It does a number of things, but I just use it to spin articles, summaries, resource boxes, titles, and subtitles.

      format: { [ | ] ~ [ | ] }

      All sentences are natural because you do the spinning, not some thesaurus. Spin sentences, paragraphs, or individual words. Faster than a speeding bum marketer.

      A 500 word article spun deep will yield about 1500~2000 words. Takes me about 4 hours to go deep. The best bum marketers will get 15 to 20 articles in that time frame. I will get an unlimited number at 70~80% unique.

      Put your whole article with all of the sections needed by the article directories into a wp blog, refresh the page to spin, then cut and paste the sections into the article directory submission form.

      If you put the base spun copy into WP, your visitor will see a different version of the article on every visit.

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    • Profile picture of the author JoeyDodge
      @SoundsGood
      I'm new article spinning. I usually submit my articles to a few places such as Ezine Articles and Associated Content. Where else do you submit your articles and what is a good article spinner.

      Respectfully,
      Joey Dodge
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  • Profile picture of the author Neil S
    I wouldn't call it a complete waste of time. But for the amount of time it takes I think there are more profitable activities.
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    • Profile picture of the author VipulShah
      Originally Posted by Neil S View Post

      I wouldn't call it a complete waste of time. But for the amount of time it takes I think there are more profitable activities.
      I've looked at Jet Spinner and also whole heartedly agree that it would be much easier to rewrite the article yourself. For me just taking the time to write the syntax will be time consuming, let alone checking my variations if I've done them right or not.

      Then I ran across Human Spinner and found that you can actually have a human rewrite your article with three different variations per sentences/paragraphs AND also install the syntax for spinning the article!

      Sign up is free and the cost can vary b/w $3 - $6 per article, and we would be able to accept or reject each rewritten sentence/paragraph. I know a successful marketer who has been using it for a while now with no complains. say using this would be the most use of my time.

      A good plan of action I thought of as I was browsing the sight, if you really want an almost "hands off" automated process, would be to use free PLR articles and spin them using Human Spinner

      - Nice plan huh?

      Here is the link for it and it is not my affiliate link(no affiliate opportunity): Human Spinner


      Vipul Shah
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      • Profile picture of the author Marty S
        Originally Posted by VipulShah View Post

        Then I ran across Human Spinner and found that you can actually have a human rewrite your article with three different variations per sentences/paragraphs AND also install the syntax for spinning the article!

        Sign up is free and the cost can vary b/w $3 - $6 per article, and we would be able to accept or reject each rewritten sentence/paragraph. I know a successful marketer who has been using it for a while now with no complains. say using this would be the most use of my time.

        Here is the link for it and it is not my affiliate link(no affiliate opportunity): Human Spinner
        Well your under-cover advertisement worked on me, so I tried HumanSpinner (Jetspinner/Jetsubmitter) last night. Sent them $20 and a single article to be rewritten 3 times.

        Even though they advertise English writers, that is absolutely not the case. The rewrites I got back were mostly nonsense such as this sentence:

        Crackerjack poker players regularly live with their diagnostic vein, unbroken while that isn't always recognized.

        I could use a service like this, but HS is a waste of time from what I can see. Keep my $20 guys, it was worth the amusement.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          Well your under-cover advertisement worked on me, so I tried HumanSpinner (Jetspinner/Jetsubmitter) last night. Sent them $20 and a single article to be rewritten 3 times.

          Even though they advertise English writers, that is absolutely not the case. The rewrites I got back were mostly nonsense such as this sentence:

          Crackerjack poker players regularly live with their diagnostic vein, unbroken while that isn't always recognized.

          I could use a service like this, but HS is a waste of time from what I can see. Keep my $20 guys, it was worth the amusement.
          - This is why you use a "Human Controlled Spinner" - This is a real spinner that is fully controlled by the writer himself/herself not some outsource....

          There are only 2 Human Controlled Spinners that exist and one is owned by Glenn here on the forum.

          James
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        • Profile picture of the author VipulShah
          You know that you can reject that sentence and many other before just quitting altogether?? I'm not sure what your situation is but it seems that it is way too early to just jump to conclusions that the service is no good.

          After all, you just signed up! It's not even been a week let alone a full DAY and you are already calling it quits.....slow down.

          Keep in touch with support and do your due diligence first before you come here and say the service is no good.

          Many I know have gone through a similar situation with some of the articles with services like this and sometimes it took a couple days to a week to resolve it.


          Vipul



          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          Well your under-cover advertisement worked on me, so I tried HumanSpinner (Jetspinner/Jetsubmitter) last night. Sent them $20 and a single article to be rewritten 3 times.

          Even though they advertise English writers, that is absolutely not the case. The rewrites I got back were mostly nonsense such as this sentence:

          Crackerjack poker players regularly live with their diagnostic vein, unbroken while that isn't always recognized.

          I could use a service like this, but HS is a waste of time from what I can see. Keep my $20 guys, it was worth the amusement.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marty S
            Originally Posted by VipulShah View Post

            You know that you can reject that sentence and many other before just quitting altogether?? I'm not sure what your situation is but it seems that it is way too early to just jump to conclusions that the service is no good.

            After all, you just signed up! It's not even been a week let alone a full DAY and you are already calling it quits.....slow down.

            Keep in touch with support and do your due diligence first before you come here and say the service is no good.

            Many I know have gone through a similar situation with some of the articles with services like this and sometimes it took a couple days to a week to resolve it.


            Vipul
            No I did reject most of the first responses, the sample I posted here was their second and third try - apparently after I paid extra for some live human to audit it too! Then they just unilaterally stopped the rewrites becuase I suppose someone figured it couldn't be accomplished.

            From some of the garble that came out, I have no doubt this would be a complete waste of time long term for me, as the idea behind this is to get someone else to do the work thus eliminating the hassle of me doing it.

            Hey if you W's wanna try the $20 test like me, carry on - but to me it was nonsense what they spewed out. I think the name of the software is misleading because I cannot believe English speaking humans would write this stuff. I will stick with Power Article Rewriter.

            Further: Hey Vipul if you are going to flog a product like that you have to expect some negative feedback, so please do not send PMs just because someone disagrees....
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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

              No I did reject most of the first responses, the sample I posted here was their second and third try - apparently after I paid extra for some live human to audit it too! Then they just unilaterally stopped the rewrites becuase I suppose someone figured it couldn't be accomplished.

              From some of the garble that came out, I have no doubt this would be a complete waste of time long term for me, as the idea behind this is to get someone else to do the work thus eliminating the hassle of me doing it.

              Hey if you W's wanna try the $20 test like me, carry on - but to me it was nonsense what they spewed out. I think the name of the software is misleading because I cannot believe English speaking humans would write this stuff. I will stick with Power Article Rewriter.

              Further: Hey Vipul if you are going to flog a product like that you have to expect some negative feedback, so please do not send PMs just because someone disagrees....
              Marty,
              The problem is he does not understand that you paid for a service that claimed to have human writers and the work provided to you was junk eventhough you gave them a well written article.

              He does not understand that you paid someone to do work and what they produced was crap and you did not pay to sit there and email back and forth for re-writes left and right ....

              James
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            • Profile picture of the author VipulShah
              Hey Marty, you are pming me too.

              Nobody has full control of bad services but I don't need your negative connotations about me on this thread just because you've experienced bad service. You can save the "feedback" for support of the service because I don't really have a part of it. The only thing I'm taking personally is your attack on my post saying that it is an "under cover advertisement" - not necessary to say that.

              Seems to me the problem is your writer is no good and if they are not cooperating with you then just get try to get your money back or have the head writer remedy the situation. Judging from your experience I think everyone here should hold off on the service until then.

              Vipul

              Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

              No I did reject most of the first responses, the sample I posted here was their second and third try - apparently after I paid extra for some live human to audit it too! Then they just unilaterally stopped the rewrites becuase I suppose someone figured it couldn't be accomplished.

              From some of the garble that came out, I have no doubt this would be a complete waste of time long term for me, as the idea behind this is to get someone else to do the work thus eliminating the hassle of me doing it.

              Hey if you W's wanna try the $20 test like me, carry on - but to me it was nonsense what they spewed out. I think the name of the software is misleading because I cannot believe English speaking humans would write this stuff. I will stick with Power Article Rewriter.

              Further: Hey Vipul if you are going to flog a product like that you have to expect some negative feedback, so please do not send PMs just because someone disagrees....
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              • Profile picture of the author Marty S
                Originally Posted by VipulShah View Post

                Hey Marty, you are pming me too.
                I suppose I was letting you know about what really seemed to be an advertisement for a horrid service. You wouldn't be the first person here to flog a product they didn't even try, and trust me, you don't need this association.

                All the best to you.
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                • Profile picture of the author VipulShah
                  Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

                  I suppose I was letting you know about what really seemed to be an advertisement for a horrid service. You wouldn't be the first person here to flog a product they didn't even try, and trust me, you don't need this association.

                  All the best to you.
                  I did try the service a week ago with decent success because I happened to get a good writer. The writer did a pretty decent job of my article, not the best though, but not bad either, and it made sense. Now given that I've had a good human spinner, how else could I address it on this thread without sounding, as you say, like "flogging"? I just wanted to spell out the features as related to this thread and I honestly did not indeed to sound like an advertisment.

                  So far until your experience I did not know of any bad service rendered with the company and quite honestly yours will be the first that I've heard of, given that it has been a little over a week since I was a member. I am really annoyed by the service that was rendered to you and now I feel compelled to send a comment to them on your behalf as well as hold off on any future articles myself.

                  All the best to you too,
                  Vipul
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                  • Profile picture of the author neddag
                    Spinning works if you do it right. Here's how I do it, maybe this will help someone.

                    I take an original article and plug it into PAR. You can use any human controlled spinner. It sounds like Glenn's does the same thing.

                    I rewrite each sentence three times. I then go back into each sentence and do synonym and phrase replacement by hand.

                    I do this for the title, summary and bio box as well.

                    In total it probably takes me about 2.5 hours for each article but I'm a bit slow. The end result is hundreds of articles that are generally 30%-60% unique...sometimes more. And each one fully readable by humans with perfect grammar etc.

                    The original would go on my site, then I used to submit them to article directories by hand. But now I use Milam's Power Article Submitter. It is ideal because the software uses the exact same spin tags. I simply plug the article with the spin tags into the software and it submits the spun unique articles with mostly unique titles, summaries and bio boxes to hundreds of directories. I only do a few per day to keep a steady flow of links coming in.

                    Then if I want to put up a wordpress blog, blogger blog, squidoo lens etc., I just open the file in PAR, hit spin, and out pops yet another fully unique article. Hit the rewrite button again, and there's another article. Copy and paste and you have more links.

                    Even if I spend 4 or 5 hours doing this, do you really think I could write hundreds of articles in 4 or 5 hours? I know I can't do it, and I doubt anyone here can either.

                    There are plenty more uses as well. If you belong to a blog network that you can post to, do the same thing. Write a 200 word post, rewrite each sentence 3 times in PAR, do the hand synonym and phrase replacement and save it. Anytime you want to make a unique post somewhere, hit "rewrite" then copy and paste, putting your link(s) in there.

                    I don't think this makes me lazy. On the contrary, it is a lot of work. But it's less work and less money than having hundreds of articles written for me. And I think the results show it is a pretty good use of my time.

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                    • Profile picture of the author Brandon Tanner
                      Article spinning is a waste of time... just like a construction worker using a nail gun is a waste of time! :rolleyes:

                      If you want to frame a house, you can use a hammer or a nail gun. Both get the same results. But one method is about 10x faster.

                      Rewriting an article by hand or by using a ***GOOD*** spinner both get the same EXACT results. Did I mention the word EXACT?

                      But one method can help you produce TONS more unique content, with very little extra effort.

                      If you want to use the "hammer" approach to rewriting articles, go ahead. But I'll take the nail gun, thankyou!
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        • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          Crackerjack poker players regularly live with their diagnostic vein, unbroken while that isn't always recognized.

          I could use a service like this, but HS is a waste of time from what I can see. Keep my $20 guys, it was worth the amusement.
          I had a similar experience. For the most part they would just take a sentence from elsewhere in the article and offer it as an alternative to most of the sentences. What p1ssed me off was I paid for the "human checker" to be used.

          $20 down the gurgler.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Given the two choices, I'd have to say...neither.

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  • Profile picture of the author bannor32
    Depends on your strategy. If you want dozens of blogs making a few dollars a day each then you will probably need a spinner (or outsource) to generate enough content. If you are concentrating on only one (or a few) blogs then you want quality human written content.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by bannor32 View Post

      Depends on your strategy. If you want dozens of blogs making a few dollars a day each then you will probably need a spinner (or outsource) to generate enough content. If you are concentrating on only one (or a few) blogs then you want quality human written content.
      Articles are more useful than just posting to blogs or article directories. This is where the power of a "real spinner" comes into play... Articles have more of a repurpose value then what most think.

      I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

      Use 1 to submit to article directories
      Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
      Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
      Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
      Use 2 to create a hubpage
      Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
      Use 2 to post to my blog
      Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
      Use 3 to post to news release sites

      There are more that can be done but you just need to think outside the box. By using the proper spinner you can create a very powerful marketing campaign with just 1 article.

      Let's assume I paid someone to write the original article, with the above I just done massive exposure that cost my business $10 - $15 and about 3 days work.

      The alternative: Let's assume you needed a writer to write the content for the above. 20 articles at $10 a pop is $200. So you just spent $200 for the above and 3 days work.

      Logically which option is more effective especially with this economy ??

      Personally myself I would rather pay for the 1 Article and then use it to create all that massive exposure by spinning the article (using a proper spinner)..

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Jay Ang
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Articles are more useful than just posting to blogs or article directories. This is where the power of a "real spinner" comes into play... Articles have more of a repurpose value then what most think.

        I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

        Use 1 to submit to article directories
        Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
        Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
        Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
        Use 2 to create a hubpage
        Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
        Use 2 to post to my blog
        Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
        Use 3 to post to news release sites

        There are more that can be done but you just need to think outside the box. By using the proper spinner you can create a very powerful marketing campaign with just 1 article.

        Let's assume I paid someone to write the original article, with the above I just done massive exposure that cost my business $10 - $15 and about 3 days work.

        The alternative: Let's assume you needed a writer to write the content for the above. 20 articles at $10 a pop is $200. So you just spent $200 for the above and 3 days work.

        Logically which option is more effective especially with this economy ??

        Personally myself I would rather pay for the 1 Article and then use it to create all that massive exposure by spinning the article (using a proper spinner)..

        James
        Totally agree with you James, resources like articles are meant to be fully utilized like such ... Tons more cost effective than just using the original article for what it is
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      • Profile picture of the author andyj00
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        ..... This is where the power of a "real spinner" comes into play...
        Hi James, what example do you have of a "real spinner"? Software?

        Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author admiral
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Articles are more useful than just posting to blogs or article directories. This is where the power of a "real spinner" comes into play... Articles have more of a repurpose value then what most think.

        I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

        Use 1 to submit to article directories
        Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
        Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
        Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
        Use 2 to create a hubpage
        Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
        Use 2 to post to my blog
        Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
        Use 3 to post to news release sites

        There are more that can be done but you just need to think outside the box. By using the proper spinner you can create a very powerful marketing campaign with just 1 article.

        Let's assume I paid someone to write the original article, with the above I just done massive exposure that cost my business $10 - $15 and about 3 days work.

        The alternative: Let's assume you needed a writer to write the content for the above. 20 articles at $10 a pop is $200. So you just spent $200 for the above and 3 days work.

        Logically which option is more effective especially with this economy ??

        Personally myself I would rather pay for the 1 Article and then use it to create all that massive exposure by spinning the article (using a proper spinner)..

        James
        excellent thread it what makes this site so special
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        • Profile picture of the author TerryG
          Originally Posted by admiral View Post

          excellent thread it what makes this site so special
          and

          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          Articles are more useful than just posting to blogs or article directories. This is where the power of a "real spinner" comes into play... Articles have more of a repurpose value then what most think.

          I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

          Use 1 to submit to article directories
          Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
          Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
          Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
          Use 2 to create a hubpage
          Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
          Use 2 to post to my blog
          Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
          Use 3 to post to news release sites

          James

          I'm with you one hundred per cent James.

          You just described the perfect mini-network for a keyword/keyword phrase and I use my spun articles everytime to build my network exactly this way, with one or two more.

          I use Magic Article Rewriter and if anyone else does, here's a tip. Post the original article on your site then when you spin the article, delete the first word, original article word, from the spin syntax. Original content every time.

          Great thread and some terrific ideas, from both sides of the fence.
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  • Profile picture of the author monopuff
    I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

    Use 1 to submit to article directories
    Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
    Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
    Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
    Use 2 to create a hubpage
    Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
    Use 2 to post to my blog
    Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
    Use 3 to post to news release sites
    Great tips for backlinks and ways to monetize your articles there.. thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by monopuff View Post

      Great tips for backlinks and ways to monetize your articles there.. thanks
      Your welcome ... Also I just purchased your article re-write service and sent you $15 for 5 article re-writes, I know your site says $10 but I sent an extra $5 because some of my articles are slightly over 500 words...

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Isabella Swan
    Article spinners works but also try to create a fresh one. I think that will be helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author voodoomarketing
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by voodoomarketing View Post

      Article spinning is for lazy people.
      You have no idea what you're talking about.. People who use proper tools to do their work are smart, not lazy.

      Glenn
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      • Profile picture of the author Runner26
        Thanks for really good basic question.
        I'm jumping into article submission a bit more. I don't spin, just manually take slightly different topics or change top 2 keyphrases within different versions. All 6 of the directories I submit to get the same version.

        Advantage of manual writing is that it stays conversational and fresher.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by voodoomarketing View Post

      Article spinning is for lazy people.
      It's obvious you did not read my post because if you did you would realize just how wrong you are ... Spinning is one of the most powerful tools in marketing.

      People spin website content
      People spin their articles
      People spin titles, descriptions when bookmarking
      People spin titles, descriptions when submitting to search engines

      There are many ways people spin "content" every single day. Even those that claim to hate spinners do the same exact thing.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy LaPointe
    The best approaches are writing your own articles or hire a writer. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with using a spinner if you use it responsibility. This means
    you can use the article spinner software to mass produce articles to save time, but once this is done you still need to proof read them and make necessary changes to ensure a high quality end-product (the article).

    Remember with every article or blog post you are representing the integrity of your company.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by Andy LaPointe View Post

      The best approaches are writing your own articles or hire a writer. However, I don't think there is anything wrong with using a spinner if you use it responsibility. This means
      you can use the article spinner software to mass produce articles to save time, but once this is done you still need to proof read them and make necessary changes to ensure a high quality end-product (the article).

      Remember with every article or blog post you are representing the integrity of your company.
      Actually,if you use the right product, not only will you NOT have
      to proof your work, but you can get a much better finished product.

      HTH

      Glenn
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        Actually,if you use the right product, not only will you NOT have
        to proof your work, but you can get a much better finished product.

        HTH

        Glenn
        Not to mention a great deal faster too ... It's sad Glenn that most are so mislead by spinners or the word spinner because of a few that have tried junk spinner that produced crap.

        This is the year 2009, we are on the internet, technology has increased by 200% over the last few years alone and is still evolving every single day. Why is this so hard for people to understand ???

        Maybe if I spell it out people will get it ....

        A HUMAN CONTROLLED SPINNER (not the junk someone mentioned above) - Is a spinner that is fully under the control of the writer, meaning every single word that is typed comes directly from the writer and not some pre-set database of words. Since the writer controls every single aspect of spinner his / her article then it does produce very high quality results that are read just as good as the writer can write.

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Green
    I think it depends on the spinner you use. I dont know of a good one except for jetspinner which is free but time consuming. I think it is much easier to just write more articles.


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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Article Spinning is a Killer Tactic - IF YOU DO IT PROPERLY. I think most of the people that say it is not worthwhile do not do it properly or they have no use for feeder sites.

    I like human spinner - but agree sometimes you get crappy sentences - still I think it is worth it to throw out a few for the time and effort savings. I used to rewrite all my sentences myself - talk about tedious and boring!

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  • Profile picture of the author Alice Seba
    Could it be that Glenn & James are imagining something different than others when it comes to "spinning"?

    Synonym and phrase replacement based spinning frequently spouts out garbage and I think that's what many people think of when they think spinning.

    However, there are spinners that will simply take a few human-written versions of an article (written with the same number of paragraphs, each with the exact same content...just worded differently) and then the spinner interchanges paragraphs. As long as the writing is good in the originals, the end result is highly-readable content.

    So, I don't know...are you guys arguing about completely different things?

    Alice
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Alice Seba View Post

      Could it be that Glenn & James are imagining something different than others when it comes to "spinning"?

      Synonym and phrase replacement based spinning frequently spouts out garbage and I think that's what many people think of when they think spinning.

      However, there are spinners that will simply take a few human-written versions of an article (written with the same number of paragraphs, each with the exact same content...just worded differently) and then the spinner interchanges paragraphs. As long as the writing is good in the originals, the end result is highly-readable content.

      So, I don't know...are you guys arguing about completely different things?

      Alice
      Hi Alice,
      What I have and Glenn has is 100% different than anything else on the market. Yes all those crappy spinners use pre-set databases and those god aweful {keyword1|keyword2|keyword3} crap... What a "real" spinner does is use the actual words from the writer himself / herself.

      The problem with many is they give bad advice saying it dont work because they either have tried a crappy spinner or they have been told all spinners are crap to begin with and they have never actually used one before.

      Fact is if I can use a "real" spinner to produce 20 articles in 45 minutes and then use those 20 articles (as mentioned in my post above) and spend 3 days creating massive exposure / backlinks..

      ~vs~

      Either spending $200 + 3 days or spend 5 days writing and then 3 days doing the mass exposure.

      Then why should I not take advantage and do this, I mean it is all still controlled by myself as the writer and I save a great amount of money and time. Instead of spending those 5 days writing I could be doing more to gain exposure for my business...

      This is what many fail to see because they have been trained spinners are "Evil" and nothing could be further from the truth. Spinners save a great deal of time and money and can be used for very powerful and effective means, if you use the proper tool the proper way.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Hi Alice,
        What I have and Glenn has is 100% different than anything else on the market. Yes all those crappy spinners use pre-set databases and those god aweful {keyword1|keyword2|keyword3} crap... What a "real" spinner does is use the actual words from the writer himself / herself.

        The problem with many is they give bad advice saying it dont work because they either have tried a crappy spinner or they have been told all spinners are crap to begin with and they have never actually used one before.

        Fact is if I can use a "real" spinner to produce 20 articles in 45 minutes and then use those 20 articles (as mentioned in my post above) and spend 3 days creating massive exposure / backlinks..

        ~vs~

        Either spending $200 + 3 days or spend 5 days writing and then 3 days doing the mass exposure.

        Then why should I not take advantage and do this, I mean it is all still controlled by myself as the writer and I save a great amount of money and time. Instead of spending those 5 days writing I could be doing more to gain exposure for my business...

        This is what many fail to see because they have been trained spinners are "Evil" and nothing could be further from the truth. Spinners save a great deal of time and money and can be used for very powerful and effective means, if you use the proper tool the proper way.

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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by Alice Seba View Post

      Could it be that Glenn & James are imagining something different than others when it comes to "spinning"?

      Synonym and phrase replacement based spinning frequently spouts out garbage and I think that's what many people think of when they think spinning.

      However, there are spinners that will simply take a few human-written versions of an article (written with the same number of paragraphs, each with the exact same content...just worded differently) and then the spinner interchanges paragraphs. As long as the writing is good in the originals, the end result is highly-readable content.

      So, I don't know...are you guys arguing about completely different things?

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      Yes we are Alice. The systems that James and myself own are human
      controlled, to coin James's phrase. You decide exactly what YOU want as
      part of your output, and our systems will then create high quality articles
      based on that input. That's why I often call ArtiFact a 'Content Creation
      System'.

      Because we've independently developed our systems, we offer other
      unique additional features from each other. I'm not going to say any more
      than that about our systems, in case I'm accused of pimping.

      HTH

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      • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        I'm not going to say any more than that about our systems, in case I'm accused of pimping.
        Well, if you guys don't pimp, how are we to know which system to purchase? We can't buy them all ya know!

        Any of you guys offer a free trial? Not a cheap trial, but a free trial.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        Yes we are Alice. The systems that James and myself own are human
        controlled, to coin James's phrase. You decide exactly what YOU want as
        part of your output, and our systems will then create high quality articles
        based on that input. That's why I often call ArtiFact a 'Content Creation
        System'.

        Because we've independently developed our systems, we offer other
        unique additional features from each other. I'm not going to say any more
        than that about our systems, in case I'm accused of pimping.

        HTH

        Glenn
        Hi Glenn,
        We should really do a JV dude ...lol

        I can see by the post that many still do not understand the power of spinning articles. I use my system everyday and will continue to do so becuse I can do everything right in one spot - create, compose, spin, submit, and etc... Many still fail to see the many uses articles have, which means many did not read my post in on this thread about the uses of articles.

        Those that say they have no idea what 100 articles on the same subject is used for read my post on this thread.

        I can take 1 article and spin it 20 times and then do the following:

        Use 1 to submit to article directories
        Use 1 to create a short report to build opt-in list
        Use 1 to create a video articles to post on How-To video sites
        Use 2 to create a squidoo lens
        Use 2 to create a hubpage
        Use 3 (the summaries) and post to 20 related blogs
        Use 2 to post to my blog
        Use 5 to post to the top 5 social networks that have a blog function
        Use 3 to post to news release sites

        Image what I could do with 100 or 150 .. You see I am provided 100% unique content for videos, squidoo, hubpages and ect .. Not all content is the same as it is spun "PROPERLY" ...

        For those that say they can spot a spun article a mile away I promise you can not when that article is used with the proper tool and is written properly. Those that say articles that are spun have no "feeling" -- Wrong again ..

        I can prove both of the above wrong and I challenge those that posted this to prove me wrong. I can produce articles that have all the feeling and you will never be able to tell the original from the spun one.

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    • Profile picture of the author sylviad
      Originally Posted by Alice Seba View Post

      Could it be that Glenn & James are imagining something different than others when it comes to "spinning"?

      Synonym and phrase replacement based spinning frequently spouts out garbage and I think that's what many people think of when they think spinning.

      However, there are spinners that will simply take a few human-written versions of an article (written with the same number of paragraphs, each with the exact same content...just worded differently) and then the spinner interchanges paragraphs. As long as the writing is good in the originals, the end result is highly-readable content.

      So, I don't know...are you guys arguing about completely different things?

      Alice
      I've tried a product that does just that...

      You load your original article, and then go through the program adding alternate paragraphs and headlines. Then, the spinner goes to work to intermix those different paras and headlines.

      The end result was garbage. Some articles only had 2 paragraphs, others had 6-8 like the original, and some didn't make sense because the parts that were not intermixed left out details about the topic.

      And it produced over 60,000 versions! I couldn't stop it.

      One other product that I kind of like, but it does require work, is WordFlood. You enter your article and go through each line and alternate synonyms throughout - that the program highlights for you and provides suggestions. You just pick which ones you want to change. It is 100% manual.

      You would repeat this exercise for whatever number of articles you want when you're done.

      So if you want 3 articles, you'd do it 3x using your original article as the source.

      Time consuming, yes, but at least you have a readable product when you're done that looks totally unique to the SEs. And it can be a bit quicker than writing an entirely new article from scratch.



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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Thanks, but wow... that seems very complicated -- which makes me wonder if you might as well just write or re-write the article yourself, without the spinner. Know what I mean?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by SoundsGood View Post

      Thanks, but wow... that seems very complicated -- which makes me wonder if you might as well just write or re-write the article yourself, without the spinner. Know what I mean?
      Not complicated at all even Steven W. tested it and did so with no problem ... As I said I can produce 50 articles easily within 2 hours and all of them be above 60% uniqueness.. There is no writer that can write 50 articles in 2 hours.

      Everything is controlled by the writer and there is no need to reply on some pre-set database that could cause issues. How about trying to edit a 800 word article with a bunch of {editme|editme|editme} inside the article. You see it would be a very hard job.

      On the other hand Human Controlled Spinner if you make a mistake just edit the spinpoint key.. easy..

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  • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
    Just about everyone on here who has their own spinning / article creation product will claim there's is the best. Of course they're all biased opinions. Until you try any out for yourself, you won't know which is best for you. I'll hold my hand up and say that mine isn't the best choice for everyone, but then on the otherhand, there are many customers who love it and give me great feedback. My point is, they are all different and work in various ways. Not all of these concepts of working will suite you.

    As for spinning and article creation in general, as mentioned, if done properly using a human controlled spinner, can work wonders. And yes, you should easily be able to reach 65%+ each time if you spend the time on it.

    People do seem to miss the point with using system like this. They usually respond with, 'The time it would take me to set up a project I could have written 10 - 20 articles myself. Maybe! But what about 50 articles? or 150 articles? I think not. A well built article project can allow you to create huge amounts of unique and yet perfectly readable articles on the fly, whenver you need them.

    Because of this, the time spent developing the project is a drop in the ocean compared to the time you'll save creating the articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
      Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO View Post

      People do seem to miss the point with using system like this. They usually respond with, 'The time it would take me to set up a project I could have written 10 - 20 articles myself.
      That would be me.

      Originally Posted by AndyBlackSEO View Post

      But what about 50 articles? or 150 articles? I think not.
      I see your point, but why would we need 50 to 150 articles of the same topic?
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      • Profile picture of the author Gabby12
        50 hubpages or squidoo lenses. 50-100 article directories. There is a need for variations of the same content if it is 60-70% unique. How many article creation services use good spinners to create there content? I know there has to be some of that being done.


        I see your point, but why would we need 50 to 150 articles of the same topic?
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  • Profile picture of the author Justin1
    interesting thread but who has the time to read all that bloody text, cliff notes please
    if spun articles are legible then you have a good result for low cost, if you have the time to do it by hand then do it, different people do different things, thats the beauty of ezine (even though someone said they accept spun stuff they are always picky with me) and other sites, they pre filter the content so it makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author IdeasAccepted
    I've only used one spinner. In it, I chose the words myself, there is no thesauraus.

    For example, I would write: I typed this on my {PC|latop|computer}.

    Since I wrote those choices within the brackets myself, I would consider that "human spinning," but there seems to be negative vibes about that type of spinning with keywords and brackets in this thread.

    I'm confused...how is that different from the other method described of rewriting with spinpoints? Maybe I'm missing a faster way to do this.
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  • Profile picture of the author KINGOS
    Hey djenys

    If you're spinning articles just to get backlinks, then it just might be a great thing to do. Jetspinner works well for this but it takes me approximately 20 minutes to edit the junk it spits out. I could do 2 400 word articles in that time frame.

    But if you are writing it for your readers, then it's best you write one yourself. Unlike the everyday trend where people recommend quantity against quality, a well-written and properly distributed article can drive more targeted visitors to your landing page than 20 crappily spinned articles
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  • Profile picture of the author Echnaton69
    hi there,

    maybe this is the right thread :-)

    I'm searching for article writers who are producing articles which are ready formatted for the power article rewriter. Resulting in uniqueness of about 30 % from the original article.

    Maybe you offer such a service or know one who does?

    Thank you for your answers :-)

    kind regards from Vienna

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  • Profile picture of the author Shakul
    If you use the right software, then surely it is a killer tactic
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  • Profile picture of the author virginiad
    Hi

    You said that you have used article spinning successfully in the past. Did you stop? If so, why? If it was successful, why would you want to change to another method, even one that may be successful for someone else?

    I guess what I am trying to say is, if you find something that works, stick with it until it stops working. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence. New all I have to do is listen to my own advice
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  • Profile picture of the author Aistee
    A great way to "spin" articles, or atleast save time, is to translate articles in other languages to Englsih or the other way around.
    Just use Translate.google.com and go througe it in a word document.
    Passes copyscpae and works all the time.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by Aistee View Post

      A great way to "spin" articles, or atleast save time, is to translate articles in other languages to Englsih or the other way around.
      Just use Translate.google.com and go througe it in a word document.
      Passes copyscpae and works all the time.
      Clever idea, but...

      Wouldn't that be considered plagiarism? Totally different than using a spinner and, IMO, unethical.

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  • Profile picture of the author ebizpromo
    those will not at all be helpful to make you money . those articles are only good for search engines not for buyers . quality will be worst.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by ebizpromo View Post

      those will not at all be helpful to make you money . those articles are only good for search engines not for buyers . quality will be worst.
      Only when English is not your native language and you use synonyms suggested by the "spinner". If you take the time to rewrite it on a sentence by sentence basis (and you have a good command of English), then the articles are as good as the original(s).

      But, you need a good command of English, same as you do for non-spun articles.

      If you can't string a coherent sentence together in English, nothing will help you.

      G.I.G.O. (garbage in, garbage out).
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Originally Posted by djenyns View Post

    Hey warriors,

    I'm fairly new to the forum and want to know people's thoughts on article spinning.

    I've done it well in the past to great success but the quality of so many of the services offering spinning vary beyond measure.

    Does anybody have the killer strategy completely mastered, working and automated?

    Waste of time.
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    Sure, you can get noticed in the search engines by spinning articles. If that is your sole goal, have at it!

    If your goal is to build a long term business that you can depend on for years to come, then put in the time (or money by hiring great writers) to produce kickass content.

    That's what Willie Crawford did. He produces great stuff, IMO and I think he writes it all himself. I can "hear" him in the writing. Spun articles don't do that. Nor do PLR articles, but that's a different tale.
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    • Profile picture of the author MelissaChurch
      Originally Posted by greff View Post

      Sure, you can get noticed in the search engines by spinning articles. If that is your sole goal, have at it!

      If your goal is to build a long term business that you can depend on for years to come, then put in the time (or money by hiring great writers) to produce kickass content.

      That's what Willie Crawford did. He produces great stuff, IMO and I think he writes it all himself. I can "hear" him in the writing. Spun articles don't do that. Nor do PLR articles, but that's a different tale.
      Exactly! I can always tell when articles have been spun, even after the writer claims that they used a "human powered" spinner. There's just something lost...and for certain types of businesses the poor quality of the writing is going to hurt the business.

      I can see using one if you just want the backlinks...but this isn't going to get you very far in information marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marty S
        Originally Posted by MelissaChurch View Post

        Exactly! I can always tell when articles have been spun, even after the writer claims that they used a "human powered" spinner. There's just something lost...and for certain types of businesses the poor quality of the writing is going to hurt the business.

        I can see using one if you just want the backlinks...but this isn't going to get you very far in information marketing.
        Bunk.

        This thread is turning into a monster because of narrow or misguided information like this. Spinning is obviously not for everyone, but I urge the OPer and others interested to read what the responses are from people who really DO make money online.

        @James you have some great strategies there, thanks for sharing.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Marty S View Post

          but I urge the OPer and others interested to read what the responses are from people who really DO make money online.

          @James you have some great strategies there, thanks for sharing.
          This is what many miss... The money they "could" be making and learn from those that "do" make money.

          The strategies I posted are only the tip of the iceberg, there are sooooo many more things you can do with articles which is nothing more than informative content (depending upon the articles ofcourse as everyone has seen horrid articles).

          For those that say it does not work or it produces crap, here is an idea - Instead of putting down something that you obviously do not fully understand... Why not pick a good product (3 or 4 are mentioned here) and then create yourself an article and use the proper product to produce 100 articles that are 60% in uniqueness and put the strategies I mentioned above to good use. Then come back after you have "Taken Action" and tell me you made no money...

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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    article spinning means using software to produce a new unique version of an article. It does not mean creating new articles from scratch. Most article spinners support 'jetspinner' syntax. This uses curly brackets to specify how and where words or phrases should be changed. There are a bunch of free ones out there.


    Content spinning means using software to provide a new unique version of an article. It doesn't mean making new articles from the start. Most content spinners support 'jetspinner' syntax.
    This uses curled brackets to stipulate where phrases should be modified. There are some free ones out there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    Create a premium 1000+ word article and try to get the article posted on top blogs of your category as a guest post. In exchange ask for a link back with your specified keywords.

    The raw link juice and traffic you will get from just this article will often mean weeks of labor you don't have to invest in writing/spinning articles and submit them to directories.

    People forget that business is all about people and relationships. Are you out there building relationships with people in your niche? Blog posts are often linked to, posted on twitter, shared on emails, commented. There is a human side to it that just doesn't exist on article directories.

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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Matthews
    There are two types of article spinning - the first is done with software, and always creates garbage articles. The second is done by hand, and typically creates a lot of good articles very quickly. I love it, and it's definitely one of my favorite SEO techniques.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRookie
    Yes it works, but really just create new stuff, you can write an article on a subject you know in about 5 minutes. This post took me about 20 seconds or less it takes about 4 times this much content to meet ezines requirements. You get the point.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gabby12
      I don't think everyone has a true idea what a quality article rewriter can do. If set up properly, this can take many hours, the content will be as good as hand writing articles one at time. With good spinners each sentence or paragraph has to be originally created first and than the spinner choose the variable. If you take the time to create all the material and plan it properly you can create dozens of article that will be >60% unique. The initial setup can take time but once done it very simple.
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  • Profile picture of the author Quang Van
    2 beers for article spinning... it's the content secret.... Even if you buy articles from those "writing services"... those articles you buy are just spunned.
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  • Profile picture of the author mudmat
    I'm right now in the process of testing whether article spinning works. I'm currently using HumanSpinner to spin the articles and make it at least 40% unique. And then submit the spinned articles (2 to 3 variations) to JetSubmitter2 for them to distribute to about 300 plus article directories.

    You can use your own original article or plr articles. If you are using plr articles, do not include it as one of your variation.

    Now I'm just waiting for the results. My main objective is actually to get a lot of backlinks to my site with the relevant anchor text.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mary Laine
    I use PAR to spin my original article, then go over the articles myself to make sure they make sense. Then I submit. It works very well for me, but then I have a degree in English so rewriting is pretty easy anyway.
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    • Profile picture of the author bt
      I would say that article spinning Is a waste of time, you are better off just to write fresh quality content. Think like the readers of your content. Would you want to read junk, or quality content.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by bt View Post

        I would say that article spinning Is a waste of time, you are better off just to write fresh quality content. Think like the readers of your content. Would you want to read junk, or quality content.
        So what you are saying is that all content produced from a spinner is junk ? You make this claim based on what facts and on what data ?

        You seem to have missed many post on this forum on this subject because if you read those post you would realize that spinning articles do work and work very good. Spun content is nothing new, it has been around for years and will continue to grow for the next 20 years.

        I sound like a broken record here but anayways.......

        If you use the proper tools and write quality content then a spinner will produce quality content. This content can be used 1,000 different ways and not just for backlinks. On the other hand if you write junk and use junk tools then yes you will produce junk.

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        • Profile picture of the author bt
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          So what you are saying is that all content produced from a spinner is junk ? You make this claim based on what facts and on what data ?

          You seem to have missed many post on this forum on this subject because if you read those post you would realize that spinning articles do work and work very good. Spun content is nothing new, it has been around for years and will continue to grow for the next 20 years.

          I sound like a broken record here but anayways.......

          If you use the proper tools and write quality content then a spinner will produce quality content. This content can be used 1,000 different ways and not just for backlinks. On the other hand if you write junk and use junk tools then yes you will produce junk.

          James

          To each their own, I am not saying that article spinning Is bad. I am just saying that I personally would rather write one unique article than to spin It Into hundreds of spun articles. Just my opinion.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by bt View Post

            To each their own, I am not saying that article spinning Is bad. I am just saying that I personally would rather write one unique article than to spin It Into hundreds of spun articles. Just my opinion.
            Spun articles are unique, this has been proven time and time again. When you as the writer controls all the text of that content how do you get that is not unique ???

            The reason article writing is effective for boosting SEO results is
            you can use so many key words that target your niche. Once you know
            all the key words, it is a simple task to get them into unique articles
            again and again. When the unique articles you've distributed are picked
            up by search engines, it will move you higher in the search results when
            people use your keywords. A good article marketing campaign can easily
            springboard your website to the top of any web search.
            Article writing is powerful in SEO because it allows you to use
            many keywords and phrases that apply to your niche. If you know all
            your essential keywords, you can use them in your articles. The articles
            you distribute that have your keywords will get picked up by search
            engines so that when internet users type in these keywords in the search
            engines, your website comes up. You can rank high on search engines for
            all your keywords through the articles that you write and distribute on the
            internet.
            Both those paragrphs are unique and when I add 3 or 4 more paragraphs that are unique and spin it into 20 articles then it is still unique. It is unique because it was fully under my control as the writer, no pre-set database of words....

            You see you are missing the entire point and just assuming that all content spun is with some form of auto replacement and this is not the case.

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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
    You know I have one Spunner that is quite good. To be brutally frank though, is that good for customer /web info leach. No, not at all, and Google is always gonna push hard on content that is, for want of a better word, less valuable I guess.

    Personally, I use existing articles as a base to start from and then do extra research and outsource.
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  • Profile picture of the author hangtimenino
    i dont recommend, automated spinner. because i think a machine cant understand what you really mean.like using synonyms to a certain word, that could come out insulting.
    its just my point of view.

    heres a spinner. Spontent Jetspinner - The Free Article Spinner
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by hangtimenino View Post

      i dont recommend, automated spinner. because i think a machine cant understand what you really mean.like using synonyms to a certain word, that could come out insulting.
      its just my point of view.

      heres a spinner. Spontent Jetspinner - The Free Article Spinner
      You criticize article spinning, then you link to one? What's going on here?
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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
        It is very simple: spinning by computer is always hopeless, whereas spinning by human input is much more likely to result in reasonable results.

        Nobody has shown an example in this thread yet, so here is an article I wrote - and hand spun - for my readers for Valentine's Day: Be My Valentine: Your own unique copy of my article Be My Valentine (This is an example only - there is nothing to buy there at all).

        Each time you open or refresh the page, the article changes.

        After having written the initial article, building the spun version took about 20 minutes. Although I use a script I wrote for myself to achieve what I needed (not for sale), I believe both Glenn and James programs can help you produce similar (or better) results. I own Glenn's software but haven't tried James' one - but from what I've read, both are very good at what they do.

        While I don't personally believe in duplicate content penalties, I do still use spun articles for many reasons - that have been listed several times in this thead. Manual spinning is a very useful tool/technique but it should never be confused with machine-spun junk.

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  • Profile picture of the author Art Turner
    For those who keep asking about the "best" spinner, I am affiliated with neither of these:

    Power Article Rewriter: I tend to be able to work more quickly with this tool, but sometimes find it hard to obtain high "uniqueness" percentages. I still use it.

    Article Factory: For me this tool is a little slower but seems to produce higher uniqueness in a larger number of rewritten articles. I use this one too.

    Website Content Wizard: Anyone remember this? I still use it because it has a lot of powerful features.

    I have not tried James' product (yet).

    There are hundreds of directories out there. Would you like to send the same exact article to each one, or would it be more profitable to send 400 unique-in-Google's-eyes articles?

    Some say they would rather rewrite by hand. Well, that's all you're doing with a human controlled spinner. You take a sentence and rewrite a couple of different ways. Take a sentence and change the viewpoint. Make it into a question. Make it more conversational. Make it more academic. There are a lot of ways to say the same thing. The only thing you're doing with these tools is putting these variations into a database or a format that can be saved.

    Each "spun" article was written by you. Just think of them as being sent by the infinite copies of you writing in an infinite number of parallel universes.

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  • Profile picture of the author SoundsGood
    Martin, which particular spinner do you personally feel is best?
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  • Profile picture of the author advancedrobert
    So what is the best human powered article spinning. I need them for my plr articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
    I usually don't get into these spinning threads, but the answer to the OP's original question is truly "it depends".

    It clearly depends on what you're trying to accomplish with your articles. If you're interested in using them to build traffic and links to your sites, then spinning a mass of articles from one source article would most certainly be a great tactic. If you're running a membership site where people are paying a significant sum of money each month for premium content, then 30 different versions of the exact same article probably isn't going to help you retain your members.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly View Post

      I usually don't get into these spinning threads, but the answer to the OP's original question is truly "it depends".

      It clearly depends on what you're trying to accomplish with your articles. If you're interested in using them to build traffic and links to your sites, then spinning a mass of articles from one source article would most certainly be a great tactic. If you're running a membership site where people are paying a significant sum of money each month for premium content, then 30 different versions of the exact same article probably isn't going to help you retain your members.
      I disagree 200% and I will explain why, some of those lurkers back there looking for great ideas read real close...

      I have posted over and over on the subject of articles and the "fact" is articles are used for way more than just submitting them to article directories for "traffic" and "backlinks" as soooooooo many people seem to suggest that is all they are good for.

      Do we really need to list all the uses for articles, again!!

      * Create PDF's and Other Documents
      ~ (ever hear of document sharing sites) ~
      * Create Short Reports
      ~ (want to build a list ?) ~
      * Create Blog Post / FaceBook Post / Tweets
      ~ (this can be automated) ~
      * Create Hubpages / Squido Lens
      ~ (perfect for these sites) ~
      * Create New Release / Press Release
      ~ (requires a little tweaking) ~
      * Create Full Length Digital Reports
      ~ (well, want to sell an ebook ?) ~
      * Create Affiliate Sales Copy
      ~ (yeah the merchants suck, use your own) ~
      * Create Affiliate Ads
      ~ (again the merchants suck, use your own) ~
      * Create Article Videos
      ~ (getting very popular, fast) ~
      * Use In Social Networks
      ~ (they have blogs, comments, and etc) ~
      * Create Classified Ads
      ~ (why write when you already have the text) ~

      That is just a small list, the list goes on and on... Yes "SPUN" articles can be used for all the above. This is already a proven "fact" that it can be done and is being done by those that want to work smart.

      Using the proper tools spun articles are also "Premium Content" I do not know why people give bad advice saying that spun articles are junk when it has been proven over and over again that this is fasle.

      Ok so you with me so far.. You got the above burned into your head, right ???

      The reason why I disagree with the post above is this...

      If a membership offered PLR articles (not the same junk you see on giveaway events) that are written properly and covered 50 different niches. For the sake of this post let's say it covers the hot trends that are going around such as dating, weight loss, golf, dog training, and etc..

      The membership offers a monthly subscription for $47.97 a month to have access to these 50 different packages of hot trends. Each pack will contain 25 articles. That alone is well worth the cost of membership when you consider having articles written at $3, $4, $10 a pop.. So you get access to 1,250 articles every single month for a small fee..

      Sounds great huh ? Well we want to add more value than that and plus make life 200% easier for your members that are going to just love you..

      We are going to take each of those 50 packs that have 25 articles and we are going to use a proper tool and spin them into 625 articles (that is each article spun 25 times). Because we used a proper tool each article is going to be 60%+ in uniqueness.

      So now you have 50 packs (each in a different niche) that include 1 original article and 625 spun articles. Which now gives your members access to a total of 31,300 total articles every single month.

      Now you just increased your membership value by 10 fold easily. I will explain why you have increased it so pay attention real close.

      Your members have just had a great deal of work done for them because now all they need to do is go and get these articles out there. I am going to base this on a member just using 3 of those 50 packs.

      * They load up 250 of them into word (or other similar programs) and they turn them into .doc format with the specified links they want to use. They save and go to a few document sharing websites and load them up. This will generate massive and I do mean massive traffic alone. Once they load them up all they need to do is bookmark and submit their rss feed.

      * Next your member takes 150 more and install 3 blogs and use a auto drip feature (many sites or plugins offer this). They load up the articles and let it drip feed to their blogs -- All on auto-pilot. Other plugins for tweets and ect can be used here also for extra traffic

      * Next your member takes 50 of those articles and create a auto responder series for the purpose of opt-ins. The offer a email course on their 3 blogs they just installed. Again this is on auto pilot.

      * Now your member takes 150 articles and blast those out to article directories. A little work is requires with the keywords and adding the resource box but other than that they have a good amount of articles out there with little effort.

      * Next your members goes tothe WSO section and grabs up one of those softwares that create squidoo lens. They use another 200 articles and slap up about 100 different squidoo's. They could use hubpages also but need to be careful here as google is picky...

      * Now your member takes and splits up about 100 articles between the social networks they are a member of and post on the blogs, comments, create short post (which again short post can be automated).

      * Now your member takes 500 more articles and zips on over to myarticlenetwork or similar site and slap those 500 articles in the system and let all the blog owners pick them up and post them to their blogs. Since the articles are already spun the blog owners will love to publish them because it is not the "same" content over and over.

      So your member just used 1,400 articles and created one heck of a massive backlinks / traffic campaign that will generate them traffic and sales.

      If your member wants to get real sneaky they also could just toss up a article directory and every month add a few thousand articles to their own article directory.. If done properly and using the right script google would just love them and show them that love too...

      So now you just helped your member save $thousands$ by not needing to pay for articles or any rewrites. You also just handed them a huge monthly income on a silver plater.

      Since you have increased the value of your membership by doing this you are now going to set your monthly fee at $147.97 a month. Guess what ?? It is still well worth the monthly fee because there is no way you can get those kind of articles written for no where near $150..

      Also since you are taking and spinning these articles you do not want to saturate the market so you limit ( I mean really limit, not just say it) your membership to 200 members only.

      Bottom line is... The poster above is wrong when he says it will not be good for a membership site. You just provided one heck of a deal for your members and helped them create a nice monthly income and you also just created yourself a $30,000 a month business.

      You find some good writers pay them a decent wage $5,000 a month should cover it and you still have a very nice recurring income.

      So now those that was just reading this lurking in the background you have just been given a 6 figure a year idea.. You have no more reason to lurk in the shadows...

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author greff
    I'd love to see some proof that they "do work." How? AdSense? If you try to read even the best of them you will throw up. Maybe dyslexic readers may like them.

    They are not worth the effort in my opinion. I have no moral objection to them, though.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by greff View Post

      I'd love to see some proof that they "do work." How? AdSense? If you try to read even the best of them you will throw up. Maybe dyslexic readers may like them.

      They are not worth the effort in my opinion. I have no moral objection to them, though.
      It's obvious that you have not even read the thread.. I have posted proof over and over as well as others have. I have articles that out rank EZA, if that is not proof nothing is...

      If you use the proper tools -- "Human Spinner" and you do all the writing yourself, how can you call that something that would make you throw up ??? Like many you have been mis-lead into thinking spun articles are junk.. Well if you put junk in then you get junk out.. Use a proper tool, the proper way, and you use your "own" content, then you get beautifully crafted articles ...

      James
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi therichjerksnet,

      I come to the forum this morning and the front page is littered with OLD spinner threads, all bumped today by two different NEW anonymous posters, and the bumps all ask questions like this -

      So what is the best human powered article spinning. I need them for my plr articles.
      ...and continue with you writing essays in reply, all about your amazing products.

      Coincidence?

      If one looks back at post #50 on page 2 of this thread, from three weeks ago -


      Originally posted by TheRichJerksNet

      Originally Posted by SoundsGood
      Which Spinners are the best out there?
      Self promotion is not allowed here so can't answer that ..


      Originally Posted by SoundsGood
      What's a "human controlled" spinner? How does it work? How is it different than a regular spinner?
      Just as the name says using SpinLeverage Technology a "human" writer controls every single bit of text to create and spin the content.

      Here is a simple explaination:

      {insert essay here}
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

        Hi therichjerksnet,

        I come to the forum this morning and the front page is littered with OLD spinner threads, all bumped today by two different NEW anonymous posters, and the bumps all ask questions like this -

        ...and continue with you writing essays in reply, all about your amazing products.

        Coincidence?

        If one looks back at post #50 on page 2 of this thread, from three weeks ago -
        I did not bump these threads, also the essay as you say I posted has nothing to do with my product ...

        Maybe you should re-read it, it is a very helpful post giving a great idea to those that take the action to run with it ...

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author ExRat
          Hi therichjerksnet,

          I did not bump these threads
          That could easily be true, but your consistent overly-promotional manner and consistent unfounded slurs upon other peoples' competing products, coupled with the mysterious bumpings, in combination - don't look so good and make you look guilty even if you're not.

          also the essay as you say I posted has nothing to do with my product
          Well if that were true, why would you preface the essay with -

          Just as the name says using SpinLeverage Technology a "human" writer controls every single bit of text to create and spin the content.
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    • Profile picture of the author whateverpedia
      Originally Posted by greff View Post

      I'd love to see some proof that they "do work." How? AdSense? If you try to read even the best of them you will throw up. Maybe dyslexic readers may like them.
      Only if dyslexic or non-English speaking persons use it. When written and spun by those with good English skills they will produce good (not necessarily great) articles.

      The spinners are not the problem, crappy authors, even if they are native English speakers are what causes crappy articles.

      G.I.G.O. (garbage in, garbage out).
      Q.I.Q.O. (quality in, quality out).

      If you can't string a coherent sentence together in English, no tool/software will help.

      BTW I use Paul Forcey's Article Helper Pro (google it) to rewrite articles by paragraph, then import these into Magic Article Rewriter (plenty of refernces to that on the WF) to rewrite these on a sentence by sentence basis. I RARELY use synonyms. Not blowing my own (well not much anyway) horn, but I get usable well written articles because I have a reasonable command of English (I could read and write before I started school).

      It has nothing to do with the "spinners".
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  • Profile picture of the author Adrian Cooper
    Originally Posted by djenyns View Post

    Hey warriors,

    I'm fairly new to the forum and want to know people's thoughts on article spinning.

    I've done it well in the past to great success but the quality of so many of the services offering spinning vary beyond measure.

    Does anybody have the killer strategy completely mastered, working and automated?
    Article spinning is one of those religious debates that happen on forums like this.

    I write all my own original material, so I don't use re-processed material.

    But if you must do I personally think it is better to re-write an article by hand - i.e. just use alternative words and phrases as you go along. It takes longer, but the result is totally human readable.

    Someone suggested using Dragon once for this sort of thing, and I think that is a good idea.

    I have seen and tested many article spinners over the years from very bad to very good.

    I am not up to date on spinners these days, but I am of the view that a really good one would work - probably well - for spinning AdSense pages.

    AdSense pages are made for search engines, so you want pages that rank well but bore the reader so they click away from the page via an AdSense link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    true, garbage in, garbage out. Modern automated tools have advanced enormously, even since last year.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    i can tell you my opinion:

    IMHO, the time/work it needs to spin an article to make it a GOOD spun article is not worth it. In the same time i can write (or let write) a 400-500 wds article myself.

    The GOOD tools are those semi-automatic tools where you still need to write parts yourself - but the overal savings in time/work are not really worth it, in my opinion, especially if you bother to correct an article after a tool spun it.

    The BAD spinning tools just result in garbage which is 100% and utterly worthless and will just **** off your site visitors.


    There are TWO kinds of articles:

    1) Garbage
    2) Good ones

    And 2) will always need some work, regardless whether a tool helps or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Cooper
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      i can tell you my opinion:

      The BAD spinning tools just result in garbage which is 100% and utterly worthless and will just **** off your site visitors.
      Again - I would never personally spin articles -I think it is lazy and shows a lack of respect to site visitors and is not the strategy of someone wishing to build a business.

      That said, if the spun articles are on an AdSense site - which is all they are good for - then ****ing off the visitors is not necessarily a bad thing, because they are once only visitors anyway who will leave by the most obvious link - an AdSense link.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      8< snipped

      The GOOD tools are those semi-automatic tools where you still need to write parts yourself - but the overal savings in time/work are not really worth it, in my opinion, especially if you bother to correct an article after a tool spun it.

      The BAD spinning tools just result in garbage which is 100% and utterly worthless and will just **** off your site visitors.

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      I've always says that if you need more than half a dozen or so articles in
      total (over a period of time), then it's worthwhile investing your time in a
      GOOD article spinning tool or service. If you need a handful or less, ever,
      then do the job by hand.

      HTH

      Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author UBotBuddy
    Used correctly and responsibly it can be a very powerful tool/technique. I love it myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author elle56
    I spin articles manually. I do use an article software for rewrites but I still have control over it. It's not entirely automated. This software helps me with my articles. Naturally, the more I rewrite the article, the more it gets published.
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  • Profile picture of the author MavisAA
    Thanks James and Glenn for your posts in this thread. I've found them very helpful and it has opened up a whole new chapter in my article writing adventure.

    James you mentioned two human spinners - Glenn is one - which one is the other one please?
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  • I think the best way to spin an article is have a good writer rewrite it for a few dollars, maybe have them write some spin syntax into it as well so you can then spin it even more.

    I've had good results, but let's say I might be a little biased
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  • Profile picture of the author cryptone24
    The first time I tried to spin an article. I wrote it myself, then I spent a really long time to make sure all the possible variations made sense. I also checked how original they were against each (albeit two at a time) to see how much similar or different they were.

    Well after about a full day of writing different variations and correcting the ones I saw that didn't make any sense ( i was obsessed by this time), I was getting on average about 65-85% non duplicate. Meaning that of the 40 or 50 random times I compared articles, I was getting a fairly original article with 65-85% originality. I use a free software called "DupeFree" that allow you to input two article and compare them.

    I consider most of those articles to be original however I still got the odd ones where it would show 40-50 % of the content was similar on both the articles compared.

    Does article spinnig work?

    In my opinion, its allot work. This was my first time and I was went overboard on the spinning just cause I am little paranoid about duplicate content. I am sure I will get faster.

    Now I can spin the bloody thing 100 times and stand a good chance of getting a fairly unique article, which I can use for all sorts of things, and its all my spinning, not a machine's choice of words .

    I now feel that if I send that article to be distributed on an article directory or blog directory, that I would have a good chance of getting a fairly unique article and that would make that link from those sites all the more effective (in my mind)

    Personally I feel like coming up with fresh content is too hard, and I cant imagine having to write 100 articles even after 24 or 48 hrs. These were average 400-450 word articles.

    I would say article spinning works for me, but I use a good spinner but it can be done be hand as well. The more you do the faster you will become.
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    • Profile picture of the author macknox
      Originally Posted by cryptone24 View Post

      The first time I tried to spin an article. I wrote it myself, then I spent a really long time to make sure all the possible variations made sense. I also checked how original they were against each (albeit two at a time) to see how much similar or different they were.

      Well after about a full day of writing different variations and correcting the ones I saw that didn't make any sense ( i was obsessed by this time), I was getting on average about 65-85% non duplicate. Meaning that of the 40 or 50 random times I compared articles, I was getting a fairly original article with 65-85% originality. I use a free software called "DupeFree" that allow you to input two article and compare them.

      I consider most of those articles to be original however I still got the odd ones where it would show 40-50 % of the content was similar on both the articles compared.

      Does article spinnig work?

      In my opinion, its allot work. This was my first time and I was went overboard on the spinning just cause I am little paranoid about duplicate content. I am sure I will get faster.

      Now I can spin the bloody thing 100 times and stand a good chance of getting a fairly unique article, which I can use for all sorts of things, and its all my spinning, not a machine's choice of words .

      I now feel that if I send that article to be distributed on an article directory or blog directory, that I would have a good chance of getting a fairly unique article and that would make that link from those sites all the more effective (in my mind)

      Personally I feel like coming up with fresh content is too hard, and I cant imagine having to write 100 articles even after 24 or 48 hrs. These were average 400-450 word articles.

      I would say article spinning works for me, but I use a good spinner but it can be done be hand as well. The more you do the faster you will become.
      I agree spinning does work ONLY if you put the effort in.

      It is a right pain thinking up mutliple sentences and getting them read properly when spun.

      It also depends on the subject you are spinning about... it's easier if its about a subject you are interested in like 'hair loss' or 'erectile dysfunctions' - I write under a nom de plume for every niche!
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      • Profile picture of the author SMS
        For those of you that say spinning is a waste of time... I think you need to take a close look at my earlier post below. By the way, I could produce 40 more like these at the click of a button. Time spent? Less than 1 hour.

        Does spinning still loook like a waste of time to you?

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        This is an age-old debate that is unlikely to ever be resolved, but for those that think spinning produces crap quality articles only good enough for search engines... would you say that applies to the articles below?

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        Article 1:

        For a very long time Black Monday 1987 will be remembered for one of the most severe one day declines ever experienced on Wall Street. Yes, October 19 of 1987 is one date that will be remembered time and time again.

        The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Unfortunately, the never ending assault by the market had resulted in stocks that were heavily overvalued, and P/E ratios that were unsustainable. The argument presented by the bulls was that new developments in the economy justified the valuation levels. Many people believed the promise by the gurus that "this time, things are very different". Can you believe that?

        The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. A case in point was that at the time there was an uncomfortably large number of cases involving insider trading that were being investigated. The signs were ominous to those that noticed.

        The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. People could sense the fear in the market, although nobody knew exactly what was to follow. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

        Such was the severity of the 1987 Stock Market crash that the NASDAQ software system could not cope with the selling pressure, while on the NYSE trading was stopped several times.

        By the end of that fateful day in 1987, the DJIA had lost about 23% of it's value. Investors all over the world were badly bruised by the events of Black Monday.

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        If you witnessed the events of Black Monday 1987, I can assure that they will not be forgetting them in a hurry... and that's a promise. October 19, 1987 is the date that will live long in the memory of many of us.

        There was no sign that the five year bull market had any plans of changing course. Price Earning ratios were too high comfort, and as expected this was accompanied by stocks which were unbelievably overvalued. The gurus on TV assured us that the valuations were not overvalued because we were in a new economy. They argued that this time 'things were different', and that the Stock Market's rise could continue unabated.

        Observant eyes noticed that things weren't all that they seemed on Wall Street. For instance, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was investigating several cases of fraud at the time. The writing on the wall was clear.

        The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. Even though nobody had a clue that the 10% fall was just a precursor to worse things on the horizon, there was a lot of fear in the market. The crash of Black Monday proved that people had every reason to be afraid.

        The crash was so severe that the software system used by the NASDAQ could not handle the frenzied selling in the market. Even the NYSE had to halt trading several times during the day.

        When the market eventually closed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 23% lower than it was at the start of trading. Black Monday was black in more ways than one.

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        The memories of events that unfolded on Black Monday 1987 will live with us for many decades to come. How many of us will ever forget the 19th of October 1987?

        The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Not many heeded the warning signs posed by overvalued stocks, and Price/Earning ratios which were way to high. The mantra at the time was, "don't panic... the economy has evolved". Yeah right! All of them told us that "things were different this time", and that there was absolutely no cause for alarm.

        The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. This was exemplified by a number of SEC investigations into insider trading and other fraudulent practices. Things were brewing under the surface.

        Just a week before the market crashed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (Dow Jones) lost over 9% of its value. Nobody knew what exactly was to follow, but the fear on Wall Street was palpable. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

        The 1987 Stock Market crash was so severe that the NASDAQ software system buckled under the relentless selling pressure, and on the NYSE, trading was halted several times during the session.

        The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 23% of its value that day. Black Monday was a Black day... one that won't be forgotten any time soon.

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        • Profile picture of the author rype89
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          Okay I'm pretty convinced that article spinning can work for me, but no way am I gonna do it all by myself. Does anyone know of a quality spinning service? If you don't want to seem to be self-promoting on the forum, please do PM me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
          Originally Posted by SMS View Post

          For those of you that say spinning is a waste of time... I think you need to take a close look at my earlier post below. By the way, I could produce 40 more like these at the click of a button. Time spent? Less than 1 hour.

          Does spinning still loook like a waste of time to you?

          POST STARTS HERE:
          This is an age-old debate that is unlikely to ever be resolved, but for those that think spinning produces crap quality articles only good enough for search engines... would you say that applies to the articles below?

          ----------
          Article 1:

          For a very long time Black Monday 1987 will be remembered for one of the most severe one day declines ever experienced on Wall Street. Yes, October 19 of 1987 is one date that will be remembered time and time again.

          The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Unfortunately, the never ending assault by the market had resulted in stocks that were heavily overvalued, and P/E ratios that were unsustainable. The argument presented by the bulls was that new developments in the economy justified the valuation levels. Many people believed the promise by the gurus that "this time, things are very different". Can you believe that?

          The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. A case in point was that at the time there was an uncomfortably large number of cases involving insider trading that were being investigated. The signs were ominous to those that noticed.

          The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. People could sense the fear in the market, although nobody knew exactly what was to follow. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

          Such was the severity of the 1987 Stock Market crash that the NASDAQ software system could not cope with the selling pressure, while on the NYSE trading was stopped several times.

          By the end of that fateful day in 1987, the DJIA had lost about 23% of it's value. Investors all over the world were badly bruised by the events of Black Monday.

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          Article 2:

          If you witnessed the events of Black Monday 1987, I can assure that they will not be forgetting them in a hurry... and that's a promise. October 19, 1987 is the date that will live long in the memory of many of us.

          There was no sign that the five year bull market had any plans of changing course. Price Earning ratios were too high comfort, and as expected this was accompanied by stocks which were unbelievably overvalued. The gurus on TV assured us that the valuations were not overvalued because we were in a new economy. They argued that this time 'things were different', and that the Stock Market's rise could continue unabated.

          Observant eyes noticed that things weren't all that they seemed on Wall Street. For instance, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was investigating several cases of fraud at the time. The writing on the wall was clear.

          The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. Even though nobody had a clue that the 10% fall was just a precursor to worse things on the horizon, there was a lot of fear in the market. The crash of Black Monday proved that people had every reason to be afraid.

          The crash was so severe that the software system used by the NASDAQ could not handle the frenzied selling in the market. Even the NYSE had to halt trading several times during the day.

          When the market eventually closed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 23% lower than it was at the start of trading. Black Monday was black in more ways than one.

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          Article 3:

          The memories of events that unfolded on Black Monday 1987 will live with us for many decades to come. How many of us will ever forget the 19th of October 1987?

          The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Not many heeded the warning signs posed by overvalued stocks, and Price/Earning ratios which were way to high. The mantra at the time was, "don't panic... the economy has evolved". Yeah right! All of them told us that "things were different this time", and that there was absolutely no cause for alarm.

          The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. This was exemplified by a number of SEC investigations into insider trading and other fraudulent practices. Things were brewing under the surface.

          Just a week before the market crashed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (Dow Jones) lost over 9% of its value. Nobody knew what exactly was to follow, but the fear on Wall Street was palpable. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

          The 1987 Stock Market crash was so severe that the NASDAQ software system buckled under the relentless selling pressure, and on the NYSE, trading was halted several times during the session.

          The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 23% of its value that day. Black Monday was a Black day... one that won't be forgotten any time soon.

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          I only took a very quick look and thought it was poor...

          For example:

          If you witnessed the events of Black Monday 1987, I can assure that they will not be forgetting them in a hurry.
          That sort of stuff is fine for search engines, web 2.0 , backlinks etc but some people would have a heart attack if their name was put to such dross.

          My issue is that if your an unknown and you're just looking for content, then why not it's sort of good enough .. just , but for somebody who's known for their topic, you could never put your name to this stuff.
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          • Profile picture of the author SMS
            Point taken, Simon... but I can assure you that the error you spotted was not down to spinning. It's down to human error - my humble self.

            Even the best writers make mistakes, and that's what editors are for.

            To be honest, I didn't even spend the time checking & editing the spun article, because I only produced it as an example. I wonder if there were any other errors.

            Ideally, I'd like perfection, but I'm a realist and am happy to live with one minor omission in a 300 word article. The time and labour saving make it a no brainer.

            I could submit each of those 3 articles to EZA under the same account, and am pretty certain they'll get approved.

            You make a very good point, though, and that is...

            If you are writing an article to brand yourself, I don't think spinning is the best solution!

            Good debate, guys. Please, let's keep it civil, or I'm outta here.

            Originally Posted by SimonHarrison View Post

            I only took a very quick look and thought it was poor...

            For example:



            That sort of stuff is fine for search engines, web 2.0 , backlinks etc but some people would have a heart attack if their name was put to such dross.

            My issue is that if your an unknown and you're just looking for content, then why not it's sort of good enough .. just , but for somebody who's known for their topic, you could never put your name to this stuff.
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            • Profile picture of the author Midas3 Consulting
              Originally Posted by SMS View Post

              Point taken, Simon... but I can assure you that the error you spotted was not down to spinning. It's down to human error - my humble self.

              Even the best writers make mistakes, and that's what editors are for.

              To be honest, I didn't even spend the time checking & editing the spun article, because I only produced it as an example. I wonder if there were any other errors.

              Ideally, I'd like perfection, but I'm a realist and am happy to live with one minor omission in a 300 word article. The time and labour saving make it a no brainer.

              I could submit each of those 3 articles to EZA under the same account, and am pretty certain they'll get approved.

              You make a very good point, though, and that is...

              If you are writing an article to brand yourself, I don't think spinning is the best solution!

              Good debate, guys. Please, let's keep it civil, or I'm outta here.
              No argument here, we are on the same page.

              I have zero issue with well spun content used for specific requirements, it's just not usable for authors who are known well for their subject. Even the best spinners effectively remove the nuances of a well known writer.

              For pretty much all other requirements, well spun content is absolutely fine.
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              • Profile picture of the author rype89
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                Hey guys. Just wondering, would it better to submit different spun versions of an articles to multiple article directories? Compared to submitting the exact same article to all of them. If it's better, how so?
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                • Profile picture of the author SMS
                  Try this:
                  • Spin the title.
                  • Spin the description
                  • Spin the heading
                  • Spin the first paragaraph
                  • Spin the last paragraph
                  • Use the keyword in each of the above
                  • Try and use a slightly different keyword for each article e.g. 'fast weight loss', 'easy weight loss', 'quick weight loss', 'lose weight fast', 'fast weight loss results' etc. etc.
                  You might be pleasantly surprised with the results/effort ratio.

                  Good luck!

                  Originally Posted by rype89 View Post

                  Hey guys. Just wondering, would it better to submit different spun versions of an articles to multiple article directories? Compared to submitting the exact same article to all of them. If it's better, how so?
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                  • Profile picture of the author rype89
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                    Thanks for the tip, but you didn't exactly answer my question. Are there penalties or anything if I were to submit the exact same article, instead of spinning them first?
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                    • Profile picture of the author SMS
                      Your initial question did not mention penalties.

                      EZA & a few other directories might reject your article if they find it published elsewhere, but other than that there are no penalties from the directories.

                      If you were asking about penalties from Google, the answer is an emphatic NO.

                      HTH.

                      Originally Posted by rype89 View Post

                      Thanks for the tip, but you didn't exactly answer my question. Are there penalties or anything if I were to submit the exact same article, instead of spinning them first?
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                      • Profile picture of the author rype89
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                        Alright thanks for clearing that up. So, other than the risk of getting the article rejected, there's nothing else to be worried about yes? Penalties aside, what are the other benefits of using spun articles, rather than just using the same article?
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                      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                        Originally Posted by SMS View Post

                        EZA might reject your article if they find it published elsewhere, but other than that there are no penalties from the directories.
                        No they will not, this has already been proven ... You can submit your article to 1,000 article directories and then submit it to EZA and still get it approved..

                        James
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                        • Profile picture of the author SMS
                          James,

                          I think you might just be right. I think the issue I had with EZA is that they wanted me to prove authorship of the other articles, and once I did the articles got approved.

                          However, hubpages and at least one other web 2.0 site are very strict.

                          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                          No they will not, this has already been proven ... You can submit your article to 1,000 article directories and then submit it to EZA and still get it approved..

                          James
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                        • Profile picture of the author nettech
                          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                          No they will not, this has already been proven ... You can submit your article to 1,000 article directories and then submit it to EZA and still get it approved..

                          James
                          I woudl still submit to EZA first to be on the safe side and then submit to the other directories once approved.
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                          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                            Originally Posted by nettech View Post

                            I woudl still submit to EZA first to be on the safe side and then submit to the other directories once approved.
                            Your choice if you wish to give away your authority ... For those of us that have actually tested and proven posting to your site first is better, we will benefit a much higher return.

                            I have not submitted to EZA in months and no my traffic ranking has not lowered but it has increased a great deal. I prefer to work smart and not hard.

                            James
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                            • Profile picture of the author nettech
                              James, totally agree with you on posting to your site first, I assumed this to be a given with EZA as the 1st article directory!
                              :-)

                              Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                              Your choice if you wish to give away your authority ... For those of us that have actually tested and proven posting to your site first is better, we will benefit a much higher return.

                              I have not submitted to EZA in months and no my traffic ranking has not lowered but it has increased a great deal. I prefer to work smart and not hard.

                              James
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                            • Profile picture of the author tresero
                              Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post


                              I have not submitted to EZA in months and no my traffic ranking has not lowered but it has increased a great deal. I prefer to work smart and not hard.

                              James
                              I wondered about that since I write for a very small niche. I mainly submit to directories to get the most of the 100 google searches per month my content appeals to (this is not a commercial site I am talking about).

                              Do you think that even spun articles kill your search rank? I am still in the top 5 for almost all the keywords I target, but sometimes a squidoo or hubpages article are above me. It doesn't matter though since I wrote them in the first place.
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                • Profile picture of the author TerryG
                  Originally Posted by rype89 View Post

                  Hey guys. Just wondering, would it better to submit different spun versions of an articles to multiple article directories? Compared to submitting the exact same article to all of them. If it's better, how so?
                  Yes. Spin articles means that each spun article should be unique and individually submitted to article directories. This way there will be no duplicate content as each article directory has received a single non duplicate article.

                  You can also spin your titles, urls and anchor text to make your articles more unique. Each article will then hold its own for your chosen anchor text keyword and title.
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                  • Profile picture of the author SMS
                    The key to the kingdom is below, but alas most of us will NOT appreciate the value of this post.

                    Originally Posted by TerryG View Post

                    Yes. Spin articles means that each spun article should be unique and individually submitted to article directories. This way there will be no duplicate content as each article directory has received a single non duplicate article.

                    You can also spin your titles, urls and anchor text to make your articles more unique. Each article will then hold its own for your chosen anchor text keyword and title.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcel Hartmann
    I spin content for link wheels to 50% originality.
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    • Profile picture of the author SMS
      This is an age-old debate that is unlikely to ever be resolved, but for those that think spinning produces crap quality articles only good enough for search engines... would you say that applies to the articles below?

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      Article 1:

      For a very long time Black Monday 1987 will be remembered for one of the most severe one day declines ever experienced on Wall Street. Yes, October 19 of 1987 is one date that will be remembered time and time again.

      The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Unfortunately, the never ending assault by the market had resulted in stocks that were heavily overvalued, and P/E ratios that were unsustainable. The argument presented by the bulls was that new developments in the economy justified the valuation levels. Many people believed the promise by the gurus that "this time, things are very different". Can you believe that?

      The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. A case in point was that at the time there was an uncomfortably large number of cases involving insider trading that were being investigated. The signs were ominous to those that noticed.

      The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. People could sense the fear in the market, although nobody knew exactly what was to follow. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

      Such was the severity of the 1987 Stock Market crash that the NASDAQ software system could not cope with the selling pressure, while on the NYSE trading was stopped several times.

      By the end of that fateful day in 1987, the DJIA had lost about 23% of it's value. Investors all over the world were badly bruised by the events of Black Monday.

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      Article 2:

      If you witnessed the events of Black Monday 1987, I can assure that they will not be forgetting them in a hurry... and that's a promise. October 19, 1987 is the date that will live long in the memory of many of us.

      There was no sign that the five year bull market had any plans of changing course. Price Earning ratios were too high comfort, and as expected this was accompanied by stocks which were unbelievably overvalued. The gurus on TV assured us that the valuations were not overvalued because we were in a new economy. They argued that this time 'things were different', and that the Stock Market's rise could continue unabated.

      Observant eyes noticed that things weren't all that they seemed on Wall Street. For instance, the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) was investigating several cases of fraud at the time. The writing on the wall was clear.

      The week prior to the 1987 Stock Market crash, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA) fell by almost 10%. Even though nobody had a clue that the 10% fall was just a precursor to worse things on the horizon, there was a lot of fear in the market. The crash of Black Monday proved that people had every reason to be afraid.

      The crash was so severe that the software system used by the NASDAQ could not handle the frenzied selling in the market. Even the NYSE had to halt trading several times during the day.

      When the market eventually closed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average was 23% lower than it was at the start of trading. Black Monday was black in more ways than one.

      ----------
      Article 3:

      The memories of events that unfolded on Black Monday 1987 will live with us for many decades to come. How many of us will ever forget the 19th of October 1987?

      The bull market which commenced in 1982 was still going strong by the summer of 1987. Not many heeded the warning signs posed by overvalued stocks, and Price/Earning ratios which were way to high. The mantra at the time was, "don't panic... the economy has evolved". Yeah right! All of them told us that "things were different this time", and that there was absolutely no cause for alarm.

      The optimism could not hide the fact that all was not well with the Stock Market. This was exemplified by a number of SEC investigations into insider trading and other fraudulent practices. Things were brewing under the surface.

      Just a week before the market crashed, the Dow Jones Industrial Average (Dow Jones) lost over 9% of its value. Nobody knew what exactly was to follow, but the fear on Wall Street was palpable. The sharp and relentless losses suffered on Black Monday justified the fear.

      The 1987 Stock Market crash was so severe that the NASDAQ software system buckled under the relentless selling pressure, and on the NYSE, trading was halted several times during the session.

      The Dow Jones Industrial Average lost over 23% of its value that day. Black Monday was a Black day... one that won't be forgotten any time soon.

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  • Profile picture of the author MSGeek
    Funny thing, this thread caught me in the middle of looking for a good one and serious considerations of creating a better one...

    That said, I am still somewhat skeptical about article spinners.

    There are two kinds of articles spinners.

    #1: Synonym and grammar based. I've never seen a good one of this kind. If, like James, you don't care that it may be a total crap, there are better ways to generate keyword-rich text that look like the result of mentally challenged efforts. Still, it will fool search engines including Google. It's unlikely to fool humans and definitely won't raise their attention. Make sure you use alias, if you use it for SEO -- you won't be proud of those texts.

    #2: Human controlled. Basically, you write the article with permutations like:
    You write {articles|content} with {permutations|variations|versions}.
    Then the article spinner generates all 6 possible variations (2 ways to pick the first permutation and 3 for the second one).

    These article spinners work much better and generate an intelligent text, however, they also has two issues:

    1. You have to create all permutation. Advantage: you can outsource it. Still somebody has to create it.

    2. This one is a bit thicker. Why you would use an article spinner is to prevent duplicate content. To avoid that the algorithmic complexity to recognize spinned articles as the same should be higher than what Copyscape and Google currently do. To do that, minimum repeated fragment of ANY two articles should be at least N words. And don't ask me what N is, I don't know, but for sure it grows with the time as Google throws more machines into their network and tunes their algorithms.

    It means that if you generate all possible article variations, some of them are likely to be recognized as duplicate content. To avoid that you will have to put a lot or permutations in the article and use very limited number of versions. Also, you have to be sure that your article spinner understand that.

    Say, in the exmaple above, if you ask for 2 articles (that's maximum number to avoid 4 words in a row repeated), the article spinner should not create:

    You write articles with permutations.
    You write articles with variations.
    It should instead try to permutate both groups:

    You write articles with permutations.
    You write content with variations.
    I doubt there are article spinners on the market that do that properly.

    Anyway, as TheRichJerkNet said, use it while it works.
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    • Profile picture of the author kwopp
      Originally Posted by MSGeek View Post


      I doubt there are article spinners on the market that do that properly.
      I've been thinking this as well.

      Some of the 300 word articles I spin can reach 1100 words in total with all their added alternative phrases. I have a feeling though that the programming randomly selects alternatives within the brackets, and doesn't have a function to maximise variation.


      Spun articles definitely don't have to be bad - like anything, it's all about technique. And that means sentence structure and grammar to ensure that you can easily add new phrases that are both syntactically equivalent, and fit into the rest of the text.
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  • Profile picture of the author kennethsmith72
    Article spinner is not a good idea and waste of time,try to write fresh article using your own idea and try not to copy to others article.
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    • Profile picture of the author SMS
      Hi Kenneth,

      Do you mind sharing with us your reason for saying this? I happen to disagree, so was just wondering what your statement is based on.

      Thanks.
      Originally Posted by kennethsmith72 View Post

      Article spinner is not a good idea and waste of time,try to write fresh article using your own idea and try not to copy to others article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by dave147 View Post

      a complete waste of time (IMO)
      Have you been reading the same thread you just posted to?

      Originally Posted by kennethsmith72 View Post

      Article spinner is not a good idea and waste of time,try to write fresh article using your own idea and try not to copy to others article.
      Who says my 'spun' articles don't contain my original ideas? I
      write the original seed article, and I add all the variations and
      permutations that I want to use. In other words, I use MY
      brain
      , and as a result, I get highly effective articles.

      HTH

      Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author bluenetworx
    I think the spinners like Power Article Rewriter are great, the spinners that automate the rewrite suck, but how can having 100's of unique well spun articles be bad thing, I use them all over the web for content to get backlinks, and I hate writing so it works wonders for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author DougSanderson
    I've seen some good stuff come from Magic Article Rewriter - go to eamarketing (dot) com .. They also have a submitting software too.

    I think spinning is a great asset. It can hurt too.... I wouldn't spin more than 30-40 versions or so.... what I have done too is submit my original either to my website or EZA (the best places to get ranked)... then use the others on the lesser known article directories (but still get ranked and it will still drive traffic) and THEN take portions of 10 versions, like a paragraph or something, and tweek if it needs it.... and BOOM you have lots of original content to copy and paste into tons of blog comment areas that are in your industry or niche....

    SO:
    spin it (30-40 versions)
    submit original to the places you want to rank best
    submit the others to lesser known directories
    take 10 spun versions and use paragraphs as blog comment posts

    There is more you can do with this..... this is a basic start.... just play around and figure out what you think is best....
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  • Profile picture of the author krishnaGopal
    Personally, I suggest using unique content! The is substantial to get a decent ranking in google because they will love fresh new content. Though you can get away with article spinning, I personally don't believe it has the same impact !
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  • Profile picture of the author Reg McMicking
    Search engines are getting very wise to spun articles. I know because I actually rewrote one of my own articles from about a year ago and got spanked not only by google but also the Article Directory. I thought I did a really good job with the rewrite and topic change. I guess not.

    Writing articles with informative and original content is not too hard as there is so much information about almost anything available online. So, I would go that route everytime because article marketing is too important to screw up.
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    • Profile picture of the author SMS
      Yep. It will be hard to get away with spun articles with the good directories such as EZA. But if you spin your articles the right way, Google will even 'reward' you with higher rankings.

      It's all in the how.

      Originally Posted by Reg McMicking View Post

      Search engines are getting very wise to spun articles. I know because I actually rewrote one of my own articles from about a year ago and got spanked not only by google but also the Article Directory. I thought I did a really good job with the rewrite and topic change. I guess not.

      Writing articles with informative and original content is not too hard as there is so much information about almost anything available online. So, I would go that route everytime because article marketing is too important to screw up.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by Reg McMicking View Post

      Search engines are getting very wise to spun articles. I know because I actually rewrote one of my own articles from about a year ago and got spanked not only by google but also the Article Directory. I thought I did a really good job with the rewrite and topic change. I guess not.

      8< snipped
      Search Engines are not as wise as they want us to think they are.
      Magicians use the same tricks of misdirection to look where they
      want us to look. It looks like you're basing your opinion on one single
      event. I have a history of using many many spun articles in all sorts of
      environment, and have only been punished when I push the envelope to
      see how far I can get away with things. Now I use the right tools, well
      within the self discovered boundaries, and get good results.

      You say your article got spanked by a directory, what was the actual
      reason?

      Glenn
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  • Profile picture of the author MSGeek
    Oz, looks like you are using article spinner of the second category. Do you really find it easier that spinning it manually? I understand that with your attitude toward duplicate content, it does not bother you much if long parts of articles are similar?

    It's not just curiosity. I was considering doing such spinner client, but what stopped me, is the task to generate sufficiently different articles -- that's really tough part even to properly describe. So, I wonder, if it was still worth the effort to create one.
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    • Profile picture of the author SMS
      You are spot on... for the majority of case, I don't think it is necessary to do the level of spinning I did in that example. To be on the safe side, because you never know when Google will change their algorithm, I still like to do some spinning.

      Content Boss has been much maligned on this board, but I think it has vastly improved from what it used to be. In many cases, spinning with CB and then validating/editing the output is often good enough for me... and that will only take a max of 5 minutes (in most cases less than 5 mins) per article.

      However, there's a commercial project that I have in mind that does require that level of spinning.

      Are you thinking of spinning multiple versions of one article for the same client? How many versions?

      Originally Posted by MSGeek View Post

      Oz, looks like you are using article spinner of the second category. Do you really find it easier that spinning it manually? I understand that with your attitude toward duplicate content, it does not bother you much if long parts of articles are similar?

      It's not just curiosity. I was considering doing such spinner client, but what stopped me, is the task to generate sufficiently different articles -- that's really tough part even to properly describe. So, I wonder, if it was still worth the effort to create one.
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  • Profile picture of the author mistermint
    Hi, Interesting read!

    I'm using mass article control 2009 pro, it's a really good tool and can if you want it to, produce hundreds of spun articles from one original. You can add your own synonyms or choose from the built in database..it's packaged with a directory submission tool. This is a really good tool and one of the few things I've bought that's worth the money. Adeel Chowdhry and Bobby Walker have invested very heavily in this software.

    IMO, why not write an original article and spin it for marketing purposes,you have to remember that not all folk are good at composing articles and, how time consuming is that!

    Also I agree with the thoughts posted by wiser people than me, search engine spiders are not that smart...
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    • Profile picture of the author SMS
      You can certainly say that again!

      You'd be positively shocked at what you could rank #1 in Google with or should that be without? :p

      search engine spiders are not that smart...
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  • Profile picture of the author kavenlim
    I found articles blueprint helpful and the respun articlces produced are not scrap as human intelligent is involved unless you are crap...
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    • Profile picture of the author tresero
      Originally Posted by kavenlim View Post

      I found articles blueprint helpful and the respun articlces produced are not scrap as human intelligent is involved unless you are crap...
      was this a machine spun reply, it sure made no sense to me
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  • Profile picture of the author DAS_Matt
    Originally Posted by djenyns View Post

    Hey warriors,

    I'm fairly new to the forum and want to know people's thoughts on article spinning.

    I've done it well in the past to great success but the quality of so many of the services offering spinning vary beyond measure.

    Does anybody have the killer strategy completely mastered, working and automated?

    Original articles are definitely better to do as there is far less risk of getting dinged for a lack of original content. Getting original articles at cost effective prices is always a preferred option. Obviosuly that's what I would prefer people do. ;>)) That said article spinning can give you a great number of quality articles as well if done right. Also, there's no reason you can't do a bit of both.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    IMHO, I think that there is really only one tool to use for article spinning and that is a good word processing package.

    The purpose of article spinning should not to be to write spam but to help you distribute your articles to add value to article directories, web.2.0 properties etc.

    I have used many article spinners, even those mentioned above and have come to the conclusion that nothing beats doing it manually yourself. Granted it will take a while to do, but you have a high level of control of how you want the article to look. You also don't generate a load of rubbish this way and the articles are grammatically perfect.

    If done correctly, you can generate lots of unique articles. I have tried this method and like one of the posts above, I have also seen my articles listed several times in article directories, blogs etc in the top 30 rankings, so it definitely works.

    If anyone is looking to article spinning software to rewrite their articles without intervention then I'm sorry guys, it just isn't going to work effectively. If you want it to work properly, you have to work HARD at it.

    Hard work pays off. Article spinning works!
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    • Profile picture of the author SMS
      There is more than one way to skin a cat.

      Using a word processing application is most certainly not the only way to spin articles effectively or without spamming.

      At the end of the day, people will use what works best for them. For me, it won't be a word processor. As they say, one man's meat...

      Originally Posted by nettech View Post

      IMHO, I think that there is really only one tool to use for article spinning and that is a good word processing package.

      The purpose of article spinning should not to be to write spam but to help you distribute your articles to add value to article directories, web.2.0 properties etc.

      I have used many article spinners, even those mentioned above and have come to the conclusion that nothing beats doing it manually yourself. Granted it will take a while to do, but you have a high level of control of how you want the article to look. You also don't generate a load of rubbish this way and the articles are grammatically perfect.

      If done correctly, you can generate lots of unique articles. I have tried this method and like one of the posts above, I have also seen my articles listed several times in article directories, blogs etc in the top 30 rankings, so it definitely works.

      If anyone is looking to article spinning software to rewrite their articles without intervention then I'm sorry guys, it just isn't going to work effectively. If you want it to work properly, you have to work HARD at it.

      Hard work pays off. Article spinning works!
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  • Profile picture of the author nettech
    I actually think it improves the quality of the articles and definately doesnt constitute spammign at all. Thats my opinion anyway. Every single on eof my articles are readable in perfect English so it works well. Just need to get off my backside and keep writing more of the good stuff....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author kwopp
    I've been doing all of my article spinning on Word, but it seems that it might be a good idea to at least check a piece of software that could save me a bit of time.

    Problem is, I'm using mac. Are there any out there that are mac compatible?
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  • Profile picture of the author FriendlyRob
    If you can find a good quality spinner ( and the free ones almost never are) I would write an article, submit it to ezinearticles, then spin it, and submit it to no more than 10 or so other directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidomni
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    Well I just read in Ezines TOS that spun articles are essentially ****.
    They have low readability and are NOT original or unique, hence being spun.

    Have you ever tried to read one of those spun articles?

    I got Mass Article Control because I thought it was going to be awesome
    But, alas the articles it produced were crap.

    Its better just to rewrite them yourself or outsource.

    Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by davidomni View Post

      Well I just read in Ezines TOS that spun articles are essentially ****.
      They have low readability and are NOT original or unique, hence being spun.

      Have you ever tried to read one of those spun articles?

      I got Mass Article Control because I thought it was going to be awesome
      But, alas the articles it produced were crap.

      Its better just to rewrite them yourself or outsource.

      Cheers.
      I have articles in EZA that ARE spun. Not under my own name obviously,
      but if you use the right tools in the right way, you'll get truly excellent
      results.

      I think you need to re-read this thread, because we ave proved that you
      can very good results indeed using the right software.

      Glenn
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      • Profile picture of the author mistermint
        Originally Posted by Glenn Leader View Post

        I have articles in EZA that ARE spun. Not under my own name obviously,
        but if you use the right tools in the right way, you'll get truly excellent
        results.

        I think you need to re-read this thread, because we ave proved that you
        can very good results indeed using the right software.

        Glenn
        Agreed but, I don't agree with davidomni's comment at all.

        If you try to spin out hundreds of articles with mass article control and use the stock words from it's database then, yes, they will look like rubbish however, if you use your own choice of words and phrases then, it works a treat and saves hours of time. I found spinning no more than 10 works best!

        A goog tip is to combine two articles and mix and match paras..

        Also, IMO; There are hardly any original works on the net unless, your a research scientist or something..breaking new ground with blu sky thinking or relating to personal experiences, great if your niche is genital warts lol..
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by davidomni View Post

      Well I just read in Ezines TOS that spun articles are essentially ****.
      They have low readability and are NOT original or unique, hence being spun.

      Have you ever tried to read one of those spun articles?

      I got Mass Article Control because I thought it was going to be awesome
      But, alas the articles it produced were crap.

      Its better just to rewrite them yourself or outsource.

      Cheers.
      It is better to use a proper tool to begin with ..

      As for EZA and their so-called "we do not allow spun articles" Ha!! 35%+ of the site is made up of spun articles. Many articles in EZA are junk but there are also many that know what they are doing such as Glenn that can produce an article with "spinning" it and it will look perfectly normal and you would never know it was "spun" ...

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Umm, why is nobody suggesting spinning an article and populating your own VRE with an extra 50 pages of content? Why does most everyone think that spun articles always have to go on other people's websites?
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    • Profile picture of the author Marty S
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Umm, why is nobody suggesting spinning an article and populating your own VRE with an extra 50 pages of content? Why does most everyone think that spun articles always have to go on other people's websites?

      Good point Allen.
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      • Profile picture of the author affmanager
        Everybody's talking about the best article spinning method. Regardless what spinning method, or software, or service is used some of us want to outsource the writing of articles, have it spun, and ALSO have it distributed to the various article directories.

        There are services like Unique Article Wizard and Content Spooling Network. But are there any Warriors that will write original article(s), spin it, AND distribute unique versions of the article to at least 25 article directories for me? And can you ensure at least 30% uniqueness when you spin the article?

        If so, please PM me because I would be interested.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Umm, why is nobody suggesting spinning an article and populating your own VRE with an extra 50 pages of content? Why does most everyone think that spun articles always have to go on other people's websites?
      Allen,

      I do this routinely.. have done for years. I'm about to
      start beta testing building VREs using spun content,
      with different keywords, with automatic ClickBank ID's
      for my testers. The content will be built over time, and
      organically. All they need do is market their blogs in the
      usual way.

      HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author mrsmaxxx
    I post for people to read. I too have tried spinners but the results were not what I had hoped for. I will continue to write articles for real people to get real information from My Heart and Mind. I want folks to remember me and use the information. Spinning looses my vibe!

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  • Profile picture of the author Dr. O
    pretty good spin on those articles. i think theyre BOTH spun! still read very well however.

    what options do us MAC users have.

    I would love to have a great service that not only spins great article dupes, but ALSO submits it to many directories...


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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Dr. O View Post

      pretty good spin on those articles. i think theyre BOTH spun! still read very well however.

      what options do us MAC users have.

      I would love to have a great service that not only spins great article dupes, but ALSO submits it to many directories...


      PM me!
      They both are not spun.. I wrote the original but then again every single word you see there was written by me and not some pre-set database of words... There was a total of 25 spun articles produced from the original and they are between 47% - 70% in uniqueness.

      PM sent by the way ... Us mac users use online tools ...

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  • Profile picture of the author tyson4
    This thread is really interesting, I guess that's why this site is the best!
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    • Profile picture of the author affmanager
      James,

      I just PM'ed you.

      Thanks,
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by affmanager View Post

        James,

        I just PM'ed you.

        Thanks,
        Affmanager
        Just replied to your PM with detailed info ...

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author Dr. O
    james, I have to admit that your method seems to work!

    however, i was a bit dissapointed that the submisison part was offline.

    Still. This thread was an awesome one, but I can honestly say that YES spinning works.

    yes, you get out what you put in, but I think that i could write 500 articles WAY faster with a spinner than without.

    Imagine trying to HAND WRITE books in this day and age instead of having them printed.

    Thats the kind of difference we're talking about...
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  • Profile picture of the author Shana_Adam
    There are some awful article spinners out there.

    Unless you really spend time perfecting the software it will return text that just does not make sense to a human reader. The more nested the text is the further the gibberish that comes out.

    It takes far too long to fix the text than a quick rewrite.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    I'm curious about the uniqueness. I picked up PAR and I tried it. It takes a little practice, but I'm catching onto it. The first time I did it the uniqueness was about 30%. What is a good number to aim for?
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  • Profile picture of the author ss1c
    Personally, I use UAW. Takes a while to get your post ready to submit, but it has a ton of features and the resultant "spun" articles are very readable. imho
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  • Profile picture of the author Lee56
    Would be nice if spinning an article meant writing on the same topic with a fresh angle. I think that's what it used to mean in journalism. I've spun articles for marketers in the sense that is being discussed here, but I quit. I get so tired of seeing essentially same article all over the Internet. It's very frustrating from a researcher's or even casual surfer's perspective. To me spinning is like spamming the Internet, unless the spin offers something NEW besides synonyms, sentence structure and order of paragraphs. I am tempted because I am now marketing my own products and want to use articles to drive traffic, but unless there's a way a better way to do this, I think I will pass. I wish there were...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Lee56 View Post

      Would be nice if spinning an article meant writing on the same topic with a fresh angle. I think that's what it used to mean in journalism. I've spun articles for marketers in the sense that is being discussed here, but I quit. I get so tired of seeing essentially same article all over the Internet. It's very frustrating from a researcher's or even casual surfer's perspective. To me spinning is like spamming the Internet, unless the spin offers something NEW besides synonyms, sentence structure and order of paragraphs. I am tempted because I am now marketing my own products and want to use articles to drive traffic, but unless there's a way a better way to do this, I think I will pass. I wish there were...
      There is a way better way .... Using a human controlled spinner you options are unlimited unlike those spinners that use those pre-set database or words. Using the proper tool you certainly can produce 20 articles from one and all 20 be totally different and not just "sound the same".

      This is fully upto the writer as using a human spinner all the words come directly from the writer and not some database of pre-set words.

      Technology has increased a great deal and is still increasing more and new tools have been created that actually do work in the way you want.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    I'm having difficulties getting my spinned articles to anywhere near a 70% unique value. I can get around 50%.

    I've been doing {sentence 1|sentence 2|sentence 3|} and then I'll go in and do spinning of each individual sentence. Is there something I'm missing to get it up to 70%?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Stallion View Post

      I'm having difficulties getting my spinned articles to anywhere near a 70% unique value. I can get around 50%.

      I've been doing {sentence 1|sentence 2|sentence 3|} and then I'll go in and do spinning of each individual sentence. Is there something I'm missing to get it up to 70%?
      Yes .. 2 major mistakes

      1. You are using a system that uses curly braces and brackets {|}...

      2. You are spinning on a per sentence basis...

      You should be spinning by Paragraphs and not use any pre-set database of words... Use your own words from your own mind and re-write each paragraph 100%.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Stallion
    Well, I'm using my own words. So I should add in second and third paragraph?

    so

    { paragraph 1|
    paragraph 2|
    paragraph 3|}

    Where I spin everything inside the paragraphs.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Stallion View Post

      Well, I'm using my own words. So I should add in second and third paragraph?

      so

      { paragraph 1|
      paragraph 2|
      paragraph 3|}

      Where I spin everything inside the paragraphs.
      A picture is worth 1,000 words, just sent you a PM with a full video showing exactly how to get 70%+ uniqueness..

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        A picture is worth 1,000 words, just sent you a PM with a full video showing exactly how to get 70%+ uniqueness..

        James
        I would be very interested in that too, could you post a link here if you have it online?
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

          I would be very interested in that too, could you post a link here if you have it online?
          I will not post the link here because only my members actually see that video. If you are interested though I can send you the link by PM ...

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          • Profile picture of the author JackPowers
            Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

            I will not post the link here because only my members actually see that video. If you are interested though I can send you the link by PM ...

            James
            I will have to sign up for War Room to receive pm's I think, that's well over due anyway. I may take you up on that offer later if it still stands?
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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by JackPowers View Post

              I will have to sign up for War Room to receive pm's I think, that's well over due anyway. I may take you up on that offer later if it still stands?
              Just send me a PM with your email and I will send it to you ... You have 10 PM messages as a free member...

              James
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      • Profile picture of the author sbp8610
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        A picture is worth 1,000 words, just sent you a PM with a full video showing exactly how to get 70%+ uniqueness..

        James
        I would be interested in getting a pm with the link to this also if you don't mind.

        Thanks James
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      • Profile picture of the author JT0713
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        A picture is worth 1,000 words, just sent you a PM with a full video showing exactly how to get 70%+ uniqueness..

        James

        Hey James, may I have the link as wel plz?
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  • Profile picture of the author TampaRay
    The question I believe was spinning - not original content. Sure, write an original article but then spin the hell out of it. With good spinning software it will be completely readable. Works like a charm is done right.
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  • Profile picture of the author sydneyguy07
    know lot of information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Folusho Orokunle
    After getting over 2 Million visitors to my sites, I have come to the conclusion that the thought that spun articles somehow won't get you results is baseless.

    But if you're asking will people look at your articles as junk, you may or may not be right depending on what niche you are in.

    For example:
    In the Biz Opp and IM markets I have hundreds of junk articles that rank in the top ten of Google. Some of them are spun articles and some of them are just duplicate articles from article directories.

    I wouldn't put spun articles on my own personal blog but have you actually looked at some of the articles that rank in the top ten of Google? A lot of them are worst than the content you get from spinners...!

    But in the stock trading niche or forex, I would be very careful about using spun articles because of the huge number of technical terms used.

    Let's take this forum for example:

    Most people write in fragments and with mispellings but a lot of these post will still rank in Google.

    If you're trying to make more money and get more traffic the more articles you have out there, the better. But there is a point where you're content will be considered spam.

    But if you rewrite 1 article 10 times and post them in different places will different titles, you'll get more traffic and make more money in the long run if this is done intelligently.
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Leader
      Originally Posted by Folusho Orokunle View Post


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      But in the stock trading niche or forex, I would be very careful about using spun articles because of the huge number of technical terms used.

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      This is a problem for most article spinners. My private spinner allows me
      to group technical terms together, and only use them in the right context.

      example:
      Suppose you have a digital camera review article, my spinner will go to its
      database and get all the technical data about a specific Digicam, spin the
      article, and drop in the technical (and other) specs.

      It does a great deal more than this, like posting the article to one of my
      websites, or to a blog.

      This isn't a presales ploy... I'll never sell this version, in the wrong hands it
      will be abused. Things like this always are.

      HTH

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  • Profile picture of the author robvegas626
    I've tried a few automated spinners, with poor results. I like Power Article Rewriter. It takes time to use it properly -- you have to essentially rewrite your article by hand, one sentence or one word at a time, but it definitely speeds things up a heck of a lot. I'm just wondering though how effective it really is to submit hundreds of variations of your article to hundreds of article directories (which is easy to do using article submission software). I almost never see these articles getting indexed and appearing in the SERPS, and I very rarely get any backlinks as a result. It's like they get blasted off into thin air and disappear...

    Meanwhile, one well-written article for EZineArticles can grab a spot on the front page of Google in less than 24 hours...
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  • Profile picture of the author hilltan
    Spinning an article can be an effective way of getting a new article, but it is pointles re writing and article if you do not have any use for it.

    If you want to make some real cash with article spinning then i suggest you use associated content where you get paid to upload articles. But you need to make sure that each article is unique. so i would suggest a thorough spinning by hand of the article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexchan338
    I did try the mass article control software, mm not that great.
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  • Profile picture of the author scarpet1
    I have had success with spinprofit. I write a lot of articles around a certain theme. I have several articles that I have spun and use as ammo. I will grab a paragraph or two and just add to any article I want to beef up.

    I write in paragraphs that are complete thoughts so I can add almost any paragraph to an article and it makes sense. I title all of my paragraphs.

    It takes me longer to spin an article than to write it to begin with but I get a lot more out of it than I do from writing another article.

    I spin one sentence at a time being sure to keep the tense correct and the viewpoint the same---first person--.
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