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conanedo

11 years ago

hemm interesting, bookmarked your post.. thanks for sharing, maybe i will try this

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MarketMaster13 11 years ago

A great one
Thank you for the share Terry!
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- AlexGeorge 11 years ago
  
  Hey, I used to mess around with safe lists. I have a product that I promoted in safelists 2 years ago which is still earning me commission. I will definitely have a look at this later. Thanks for sharing.
  
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joseph7384

11 years ago

I used that site years ago but nothing fruitful ever came from it.

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mariof

11 years ago

Wow! I've tried sites like Trafficswarm with little luck! I'm glad to see something works.

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Laura Raisanen

11 years ago

I've tried a few safelists and nothing came out of them at all apart from a billion emails to my inbox. Might give this one a go though, given that this isn't one of those email safe lists. You've done extremely well with it!

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hustlinsmoke

11 years ago

Never had luck with safelists at all and tried them several times, free and paid.
I won't comment on this one because it's a little different where they don't email you and you read from there.

When I did it before though they would email you with 20 offers in one email and it sucked.

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celente

11 years ago

Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke

Never had luck with safelists at all and tried them several times, free and paid.
I won't comment on this one because it's a little different where they don't email you and you read from there.

When I did it before though they would email you with 20 offers in one email and it sucked.

yes I agree, these days, no matter how big the lists are, the results will be minimal, as at a threshhold, readers on these lists, are not buyers, they are conditioned to read, and close offers just so they can get their message or email offers out there. Its a vicious cycle, and would be very hard to make money this way.

I would rather pay good $ and get access to a solo ad, and blast that out to buyers list, and have done this with a few warriors and IM'ers around the traps. Doing this the results have been ok all the way through to insane!

At least this way you are getting access to people that buy, not a list like safe lists where people are only opening emails to get their clicks up, so they can post their offers to everyone else. That is not really a good habit to be getting yourself into.

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anwar001

11 years ago

There always seem to be people who are totally against safelists and those who had good experience using them. To me, this indicates that the person who is getting good results is doing something different and right than other people.

So, I believe if we can manage to learn how to use this source of traffic then we will have at our hand a huge resource of virtually untapped traffic as most other marketers either stay completely away from them or are not successful in earning profits through them.

If its not asking too much, would you mind sharing which clickbank product did you promote and how did you promote it - I mean did you link directly to the product page in your emails or did you sort of give some free information first and then directed them to the merchant site?

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bt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by anwar001

There always seem to be people who are totally against safelists and those who had good experience using them. To me, this indicates that the person who is getting good results is doing something different and right than other people.

So, I believe if we can manage to learn how to use this source of traffic then we will have at our hand a huge resource of virtually untapped traffic as most other marketers either stay completely away from them or are not successful in earning profits through them.

If its not asking too much, would you mind sharing which clickbank product did you promote and how did you promote it - I mean did you link directly to the product page in your emails or did you sort of give some free information first and then directed them to the merchant site?

Hi anwar001

I link directly to the product page, I won't share the product as It would bring me alot of competition.

I keep the message body of the post very simple. Heres an example..

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This site could drive thousands of visitors to your website.

Check It out here.
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Notice I only use 14 words In the example above.

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bt 11 years ago

Howdy all,

I have tried several safelists and some of them are a complete waste of time.

I find that with safelists, that the product you promote should be In the IM niche, I have tried make money products with no success.

Members of safelists are wanting to get traffic to their website, by promoting a good product that will help them do this, you are Increasing your success rate.

I have never tried a squeeze page with MLFF.

The clicks I get to the clickbank product from MLFF are minimal, but the conversion rate Is good.

I also like to do my postings In between 12:00 noon to 4pm US Pacific Standard Time. I find that I have the best success at these times.

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celente

11 years ago

first of all, congrats on your sales.

Second of all, you are better off to do solo ads, than these messages, as they are just sort of marked as spam posts nowadays, as people like yourself are conditioned to read and then move on, so they can post their email.

You must have had excellent copy to get these results, I get much better results by buying solo ads, with readers who are interested in what is on offer. I spend more on solo ads in 2013 and its paying off big time. I do not really deal with safe lists, you could call this a thing a BLAST FROM THE PAST, but I doubt you will be able to repeat your efforts.

Just saying! As a veteran my advice to you would be better to spend you time else where I think to double or even triple your effort. Make sure you do your research and have a good funnel, and do solo ads, Even newbies like yourself would be surprised at the results.

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stevendbrady

11 years ago

I've never heard of such a site, but that's pretty cool. I'll definitely have to try it out. Thanks for the information and example!

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Raydal

11 years ago

I use to make a living from Safelists many years ago but slowly
moved away from them. This idea of not getting emails is a neat
idea for sure.

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myemoni

11 years ago

Awesome!..I just registered with Million Leads For Free...Thank you very much for sharing Terry!

Originally Posted by bt

I made $225.00 last month just goofing around. Below Is how I did It.

I like to try out different safelists to see the results I can get.

Conversion rates from safelists are low but that doesn't mean they don't work.

So anyway, I've been testing a new one out, I joined it about a month ago, and promoted a Clickbank product In the IM niche.

What I do Is write a good subject line, and I keep the post short and to the point.

I find that if you write to long of a post, you will just confuse the reader.

Also you have to have a good product that converts. If you try this, make sure to promote a product In the Internet Marketing niche, and make sure the product really works, or your refund rate will go through the roof at clickbank.

The safelist Is called Million Leads For Free, just search Google for It, they have almost 4 million members.

They allow you to post to 5,000 contacts everyday.

Basically all you do Is login and read 10 messages posted by other members, after you read 10 messages you can post your message for the day.

They don't send emails out to you, you read the messages right Inside the members area by clicking the Message Inbox link.

You could also try a squeeze page to build your list, i have never tried a squeeze page at MLFF.

Anyway, thats all I did to make an extra $225.00 not bad for just goofing around.

Terry

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Randall Magwood

11 years ago

1 Million Leads For Free? .... Aweber would probably charge me $1,000 a month for this amount of leads. Lol i'm kidding. They'd probably charge me $950.

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JonP

11 years ago

Very interesting post Terry, I appreciate the detail you've provided. I haven't tried safelists before but maybe I'll give this a try. Definitely will try your short and to the point message idea in a few other places as well.

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danlew

11 years ago

This seems to be really interesting for me. For sure, beginners and average Joes may find some few gold nuggets here. Cheers!!

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anwar001

11 years ago

"This site could drive thousands of visitors to your website.

Check It out here."

Wow, this is surely a very interesting email body. No wastage of time in writing long emails. Again, it goes on to show that don't restrict yourself to what the gurus say. You should experiment and test a lot. Sometimes going against the common practices can give you better results. Thanks for sharing your story with us.

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Sarevok

11 years ago

Good post Terry.

It seems like I made a quick sale from posting a tiny ad on the site. (lol).

None of my other tracking metrics point to the sale, so it must be it.

If you look closely... Maybe you can find my ad?

PS: To those on the fence... It took me literally 30 seconds to setup.

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David Mcalorum

11 years ago

Yes, safelists do work. The best thing to remember is these people
are often getting hammered with offers every single day, so its a good
that you join using a crap email, see what is being mailed then see how
you can stand out

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wejohn

11 years ago

Ummm...seems legit ! i think it's a worth to try this one. Great share !!

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masterbis

11 years ago

Interesting. Being outside US, i never heard of safelist before. I checked on it based on your thread, but frankly speaking i am still confuse on everything. Anyhow, great thing u share. Hope other's take advantage from it.

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1KClicks

11 years ago

Funny you should mention this.

One of my affiliates uses Million Leads for Free and they're definitely driving sales to my site.

Also, safelists do work. I can't speak for everybody, but they work very well as a part-time income source for me.

I mail to them just about every day... I pulled in a little over $600 last month - and that was my worst month so far. (I assume a lot of people were on vacation.) An average month hovers between $1,100-$1,300. It's not a fortune, but it literally takes me a few minutes to send these ads out.

bt is right... short ads work significantly better than longer ads.

Also, teaser subject lines are good. You want people to be curious enough to open your email.

For example this is the type of subject line I would use:
*THIS* Just Delivered 10K Clicks to My Website...

Once they open your email, they're going to click through to your site. Whether YOU can make the sale or not is the big question.

Remember, safelists are a sub-niche of internet marketers. The people on these lists are NOT your typical Warrior Forum member. You have to sell what they're buying - not necessarily whatever's converting well on Clickbank.

This means you need to be willing to test, test and possibly test some more. You also need to pay attention to what other people are consistently advertising. That's a huge clue as to what's selling to this audience.

I've had success with products priced as low as $4.95 up to $45. I sell my own products and I'm an affiliate for other peoples products. I also use safelists to build my own list and I've found my subscribers to be way more responsive than I anticipated.

You have to send out safelist ads every day (I don't even mess around with free memberships... I go premium all the time), and you have to send to many different lists to be effective. I may get 1 sale for every 500 click throughs to my site. They require extraordinary volume to be effective.

This is all safelist traffic from August. This will give you a general idea of the traffic you need to generate a decent sales volume.

At the end of the day, safelists are just like any other online marketing technique. Some people are good with AdWords, most people aren't. Some people are good with banner advertising, most people aren't. Some people are good with safelists, most people aren't. All you can do is test.

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bt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by 1KClicks

Funny you should mention this.

One of my affiliates uses Million Leads for Free and they're definitely driving sales to my site.

Also, safelists do work. I can't speak for everybody, but they work very well as a part-time income source for me.

I mail to them just about every day... I pulled in a little over $600 last month - and that was my worst month so far. (I assume a lot of people were on vacation.) An average month hovers between $1,100-$1,300. It's not a fortune, but it literally takes me a few minutes to send these ads out.

bt is right... short ads work significantly better than longer ads.

Also, teaser subject lines are good. You want people to be curious enough to open your email.

For example this is the type of subject line I would use:
*THIS* Just Delivered 10K Clicks to My Website...

Once they open your email, they're going to click through to your site. Whether YOU can make the sale or not is the big question.

Remember, safelists are a sub-niche of internet marketers. The people on these lists are NOT your typical Warrior Forum member. You have to sell what they're buying - not necessarily whatever's converting well on Clickbank.

This means you need to be willing to test, test and possibly test some more. You also need to pay attention to what other people are consistently advertising. That's a huge clue as to what's selling to this audience.

I've had success with products priced as low as $4.95 up to $45. I sell my own products and I'm an affiliate for other peoples products. I also use safelists to build my own list and I've found my subscribers to be way more responsive than I anticipated.

You have to send out safelist ads every day (I don't even mess around with free memberships... I go premium all the time), and you have to send to many different lists to be effective. I may get 1 sale for every 500 click throughs to my site. They require extraordinary volume to be effective.

This is all safelist traffic from August. This will give you a general idea of the traffic you need to generate a decent sales volume.

At the end of the day, safelists are just like any other online marketing technique. Some people are good with AdWords, most people aren't. Some people are good with banner advertising, most people aren't. Some people are good with safelists, most people aren't. All you can do is test.

Good luck!

Hi 1KClicks, would you mind posting some of the safelists you use.

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1KClicks

11 years ago

Originally Posted by bt

Hi 1KClicks, would you mind posting some of the safelists you use.

Thanks,
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Hi Terry,

Here are my top 5 safelists for the previous month. (I base this list strictly on sales volume, not opt-ins.) Depending on the list, I can do anywhere from 1-6 mailings a day.

Free Safelist Mailer: They say they have 40K+ members, but don't let that large number get you all starry eyed. On average I get 60-100 click throughs per mailing. Regardless, it generates enough sales to keep me happy.

European Safelist: 15K+ members here. I get 40-50 clicks per mailing.

Lists Connect: I just started with this one. I've included it here because an affiliate of mine uses it and generated enough sales last month to push it into 3rd place on my site.

Max Mailer Pro: Goes out to 6K+ people and it's good for 120-200+ click throughs per mailing.

Puffin Mailer: Reaches 2K+ people and usually gets 60-80+ clicks per mailing.

I normally see the majority of clicks come through within 2 days, with a few stragglers coming in on Days 3 and 4.

Also, I've been planning on running a special allowing Warriors to test their ad on 17 different safelists and ad exchanges where I'm a member, if anyone is interested. It should be up in a couple of days.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Monique

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bt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by 1KClicks

Hi Terry,

Here are my top 5 safelists for the previous month. (I base this list strictly on sales volume, not opt-ins.) Depending on the list, I can do anywhere from 1-6 mailings a day.

Free Safelist Mailer: They say they have 40K+ members, but don't let that large number get you all starry eyed. On average I get 60-100 click throughs per mailing. Regardless, it generates enough sales to keep me happy.

European Safelist: 15K+ members here. I get 40-50 clicks per mailing.

Lists Connect: I just started with this one. I've included it here because an affiliate of mine uses it and generated enough sales last month to push it into 3rd place on my site.

Max Mailer Pro: Goes out to 6K+ people and it's good for 120-200+ click throughs per mailing.

Puffin Mailer: Reaches 2K+ people and usually gets 60-80+ clicks per mailing.

I normally see the majority of clicks come through within 2 days, with a few stragglers coming in on Days 3 and 4.

Also, I've been planning on running a special allowing Warriors to test their ad on 17 different safelists and ad exchanges where I'm a member, if anyone is interested. It should be up in a couple of days.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Monique

Thanks for sharing Monique.

Terry

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anwar001

11 years ago

Originally Posted by 1KClicks

Hi Terry,

Here are my top 5 safelists for the previous month. (I base this list strictly on sales volume, not opt-ins.) Depending on the list, I can do anywhere from 1-6 mailings a day.

Free Safelist Mailer: They say they have 40K+ members, but don't let that large number get you all starry eyed. On average I get 60-100 click throughs per mailing. Regardless, it generates enough sales to keep me happy.

European Safelist: 15K+ members here. I get 40-50 clicks per mailing.

Lists Connect: I just started with this one. I've included it here because an affiliate of mine uses it and generated enough sales last month to push it into 3rd place on my site.

Max Mailer Pro: Goes out to 6K+ people and it's good for 120-200+ click throughs per mailing.

Puffin Mailer: Reaches 2K+ people and usually gets 60-80+ clicks per mailing.

I normally see the majority of clicks come through within 2 days, with a few stragglers coming in on Days 3 and 4.

Also, I've been planning on running a special allowing Warriors to test their ad on 17 different safelists and ad exchanges where I'm a member, if anyone is interested. It should be up in a couple of days.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Monique

This is getting more and more interesting. I am certainly considering trying my hand at safelist marketing. Normally how much time per day do you people spend on this and how often do you change the products you are promoting?

Also, Monique you mentioned that you only go for premium membership plans. I would like to know if free plans also can help us make some money so that we can test out before going for the pain plans?

One more thing I would like to ask is how do these safelist sites get their subscribers? Where do they advertise and catch the people looking to make money online? I mean, the people who subscribe on safelists are usually newbies and have a totally different mindset than those who are on Warriorforum.

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mrgoe

11 years ago

I`ve had an WSO about it, it does work, safelists always did. They kinda have the conversion % of cold traffic but they do work.

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1KClicks

11 years ago

Originally Posted by anwar001

This is getting more and more interesting. I am certainly considering trying my hand at safelist marketing. Normally how much time per day do you people spend on this and how often do you change the products you are promoting?

Also, Monique you mentioned that you only go for premium membership plans. I would like to know if free plans also can help us make some money so that we can test out before going for the pain plans?

One more thing I would like to ask is how do these safelist sites get their subscribers? Where do they advertise and catch the people looking to make money online? I mean, the people who subscribe on safelists are usually newbies and have a totally different mindset than those who are on Warriorforum.

anwar001... It's definitely not a full-time gig. Once you have your ads ready, it only takes a few minutes to upload them every day. In some cases, if you're a premium member, you can even schedule them in advance.

I change the ads whenever the conversion goes down. There's no set formula here.

You can definitely test with free plans.

But there are 2 problems:

1) Only certain safelists allow you to mail to the entire list if you're a freebie member. Most times free members are only allowed to mail to a small part of the list. I've definitely gotten sales as a free member of certain safelists, just not as many as when I reach the full list. Also, that leads me to the second problem...

2) You need credits in order to send your ad to a safelist. You get credits by viewing other members ads. The problem is freebie members get fewer credits for clicking ads than premium members.

So suppose you need 6,000 credits to send an email. As a premium member I might get 200 credits per email read. As a free member you might only get 50.

Now suppose you're a free member of 10 different safelists. There's no way you can keep up with the demand of clicking for credits.

This is why a lot of people get turned off by safelists. As a free member you literally have to click for hours to achieve the same results that takes a premium member just minutes. (Plus as a premium member I get credits every month as part of the membership fee, which means even less clicking for me.)

You also asked where these safelists get their subscribers. They advertise on other safelists, text ad exchanges, traffic exchanges, classified ad sites, social networks, etc.

Hope that helps!

Monique

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Claire Koch

11 years ago

Years ago we did stuff just like this.

There was a real clever guy who rocked and roled with free safelists. He made a free online traffic book which he promoted using other people virally and he sold a lot of stuff on the side doin it, but he would get them to promote this book two ways 1. by insisting they could make sales on their own stuff doing it, he was telling them, "promote my book of free traffic and in your email list your items for sale". 2. He had a huge "other" incentive I can't remember what it was but the more people you brought to his online book the more you got of the incentive.

He would say "I am not kidding people! They WILL WILL WILL buy your products from within the emails but the free traffic subject line that will get them to open it in the first place.

LOL HE WAS RIGHT ABOUT PROMOTING FREE TRAFFIC! And he was right about selling on the sly.
other people I've followed around do the same thing. Barbie zabel always lists the sign up urls in her emails for the safelists and get more extra income on upgrades for example. I went and started using my own free traffic incentive after that and did make sales of my other items, but theres a hint for you how you can take this to the next level. Get subs, create some kind of viral incentive for people to promote your own free traffic site and sell your other stuff too.

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