Do I need kids to gain your trust?

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My question relates to the common theme of internet marketers featuring pictures with their kids on squeeze pages and social profiles. Having kids seems to be an effective marketing technique so I was wondering if I should have kids too?

Also how many kids would you consider most effective for generating leads? I plan on taking action as soon as possible but perhaps there are some alternatives that will create the same effect?

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  • Profile picture of the author BlvdJeremy
    Not sure if serious. But....

    I would probably hold off on having kids for the sole purpose of more success in lead generation. Just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author ddalgleish
    Start with a couple of puppies instead -- they won't expect you to put them through college or pay for a wedding. ;-)
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  • Yes, having kids for the sole purpose of lead generation is an excellent idea, and is a tactic often used by marketers. Make sure however that the photos you post tell a warm and fuzzy story, and also be sure to not have too many kids, as it may appear that your pricing will be inflated in order to support them all.
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    • Profile picture of the author MatthewM
      Originally Posted by BlvdJeremy View Post

      Not sure if serious. But....

      I would probably hold off on having kids for the sole purpose of more success in lead generation. Just my opinion.
      Thanks for that made me laugh a bit.


      Originally Posted by stoltingmediagroup View Post

      Yes, having kids for the sole purpose of lead generation is an excellent idea, and is a tactic often used by marketers. Make sure however that the photos you post tell a warm and fuzzy story though, and also be sure to not have too many kids, as it may appear that your pricing will be inflated in order to support them all.
      You guys are a hoot.

      I don't need to see your kids to gain your trust.

      But this remind me of a story from when I was a kid myself living at my parents house.

      One day this man came up to our house. He came out with his kid. They were looking pretty bad off. Anyways the man offered to paint house numbers on the curb for $10. He had a sad sorry. Just lost his job, but it was the kid with the sad face that did all the selling.

      Now I know my dad. It is unlike him to give money out to a solicitor.

      Instead of $10 my dad gave him $30.

      I would have also if i were in his shoes. Seeing the poor whimpering kid.

      The next day going out to play I noticed just about every house on my street had painted numbers.

      I've always been a kid fascinated with money so I figured out how much money he made.

      13 houses. @ 10 a pop $130 plus tips.

      He already had $20 on top of that from my dad.

      Got me to wondering. How long were they out there and how many people did they ask?

      How much money did he really make?

      Hmmmmm?

      If the guy had just been by himself. No way.
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  • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
    Dam it that's where i went wrong!!!

    I agree with above Comments..

    I'd just Photoshop a picture. Its Cheaper haha..

    But serious note i don't believe so i don;t even notice the pictures half the time unless it's
    A hot Women ( I am Male after all)
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You dont need pictures of your family, friends, or kids on your site. So no, you don't need kids to gain someone's trust. What you do need however is a targeted message directed towards an interested prospect. All they want to know is "whats in it for me?"
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      If you can't afford to rent a mansion, red sports car and high-end "girlfriends", kids are the next best thing... :rolleyes:

      Don't have your own, just borrow someone else's and put your name on them.:p
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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        If you can't afford to rent a mansion, red sports car and high-end "girlfriends", kids are the next best thing... :rolleyes:

        Don't have your own, just borrow someone else's and put your name on them.:p
        Sort of like a PLR family

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    • Profile picture of the author owenprescott
      Thanks for all the advice, I am not sure if I will have kids yet, it depends if I will see good R.O.I. I mean the costs of food and so on might out-way the profits generated with the family pictures. I could always outsource the menial tasks such as tidying up and feeding with a nanny though. Is it possible to outsource nannies on Fiverr?

      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      If you can't afford to rent a mansion, red sports car and high-end "girlfriends", kids are the next best thing... :rolleyes:

      Don't have your own, just borrow someone else's and put your name on them.:p
      Some great ideas there, I could rent a mansion and have the kids unwrapping lots of presents by a Christmas tree. Seems like a good psychological strategy.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        From a couple of "fails" I've seen over the years....if you do use mansion photos and high end cars...

        1. Make sure the empty cabinets and closets in the model home don't show in the pictures of "my million dollar house".

        2. Make sure to crop out the portion of the car dealership sign that shows in the upper left hand corner....just above the fancy car you are leaning against.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          From a couple of "fails" I've seen over the years....if you do use mansion photos and high end cars...

          1. Make sure the empty cabinets and closets in the model home don't show in the pictures of "my million dollar house".

          2. Make sure to crop out the portion of the car dealership sign that shows in the upper left hand corner....just above the fancy car you are leaning against.
          3. Crop out the "For Sale" sign on the dock or driveway gate.
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  • Profile picture of the author BlvdJeremy
    This topic makes me laugh.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mikaedi88
    Agree with Jeremy, this topic is rather funny, some of the replies sure give food for thought..seriously though, having kids has nothing to do with success, marketing or what then WF is about.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4DayWeekend
      There is no black and white answer to this. Different perceptions suit different people better than others.

      Generally speaking, the 'family man' is a good look in this business.

      But if you're a young guy (which you look like in your avatar) having kids isn't necessarily going to have such a positive effect. There is a fine line between 'family man' and 'young parent'. The latter can have both positive and negative effects depending on your prospect.

      If you're targeting the make money niche, a sports car would probably work better for you than children.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    The photos do help in building instant rapport. You will be seen as caring nice person to work with
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  • Profile picture of the author Solitude
    Haha I normally just lurk but this is a thread that I just have to reply to.

    Showing kids with you on photos supposedly help earn trust since you are letting the reader into your personal life. In theory you can instead use a photo where you are BBQing and it will probably have the same effect.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Use PhotoShop and save yourself $1 million for each kid
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan Emanuels
    Smoking hot woman with 2 kids and a dog will do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketMaster13
      This is interesting.I don't actually agree with guys who are for the idea that one has to have Kids in their profile in order to succeed in lead generation or in general IM.This is a misconception.
      Does it mean that if you don't have Kids you will not succeed in marketing?
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      • Profile picture of the author retsced
        Originally Posted by MarketMaster13 View Post

        Does it mean that if you don't have Kids you will not succeed in marketing?
        Yes, that's exactly what it means.

        If you haven't got one of your own, you could do what I do. Take a trip to a nearby playground and take pictures of the kids there. Make sure to hide in the bushes though, for some reason people don't like you taking pictures of their kids. Weird, I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    Banned
    So now it's come down to having fake kids. :rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    Let me preface this post with saying, yes, I do have a son.

    Just as he is on my blog, we also have pictures in photo albums at home, as well as, on our computers and uploaded to our PS3.

    The deeper issue, I believe, goes way beyond having a kid. Most successful marketing efforts rely on not only eliciting emotion, but also in being seen as honest and trustworthy. Kids can be a very powerful element to a much larger underlying story.

    With that said, I truly believe this is niche/market dependent. In fact, having kids could actually work counter to your intended goals and efforts.

    Look at Miley Cyrus.

    Right now, she's created a brand centered around not caring what other people think and giving a cold should to societal norms. Throw a kid into the mix, and it's possible some of her popularity could be relinquished. At that level, it likely wouldn't be the greatest career move. Whether or not its the truth, having kids seems to convey a certain degree of maturity. Sure, you could have a kid at a very young age, because of a one night 'mistake', however, just having a kid, and caring for it can be a serious culture shock.

    Some people will remain immature, but, a vast majority learn that they have to quickly grow up and adapt so that they can best meet the needs of the kid. Of course, I won't be seeking out Miley any time soon to babysit my son, that's for sure...lol
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by retsced View Post

      Yes, that's exactly what it means.

      If you haven't got one of your own, you could do what I do. Take a trip to a nearby playground and take pictures of the kids there. Make sure to hide in the bushes though, for some reason people don't like you taking pictures of their kids. Weird, I know.
      Don't forget the "As Seen on Maury" icon...
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Originally Posted by owenprescott View Post

    My question relates to the common theme of internet marketers featuring pictures with their kids on squeeze pages and social profiles. Having kids seems to be an effective marketing technique so I was wondering if I should have kids too?
    That sounds unprofessional.

    And it only sounds necessary if you are selling a product that is related to family life, relationships, or childcare - or something that would specifically benefit from your potential customers seeing you with a family.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    For a while the world's most trusted internet marketer
    was Jim Cockrum...at least according to one website.

    I'm business partners with Jim in one membership site
    and I can tell you he has a a pile of kids, some adopted.

    So adopting a pile of kids from the third world seems
    like a great idea but you'll probably have to look after
    them because the bad press if you don't is likely to
    kill your business.


    All joking aside trust is built one client at a time.

    Do the right things by people, communicate honestly
    in all your marketing and be available when people
    have questions or problems (to a reasonable degree)
    and you'll build trust.

    Word will also get around that you can be trusted.

    Do the wrong things and word will get around about that
    too.

    Kindest regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

      For a while the world's most trusted internet marketer
      was Jim Cockrum...at least according to one website.

      I'm business partners with Jim in one membership site
      and I can tell you he has a a pile of kids, some adopted.

      So adopting a pile of kids from the third world seems
      like a great idea but you'll probably have to look after
      them because the bad press if you don't is likely to
      kill your business.


      All joking aside trust is built one client at a time.

      Do the right things by people, communicate honestly
      in all your marketing and be available when people
      have questions or problems (to a reasonable degree)
      and you'll build trust.

      Word will also get around that you can be trusted.

      Do the wrong things and word will get around about that
      too.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
      ....and, word of the "wrong things" generally spreads more quickly, and vigorously, than doing the right things That's generally how things work, anyway....people have a pure unbridaled fascination with the controversy surrounding misdeeds (i.e. Anthony Weiner, the list goes on and on...)
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    • Profile picture of the author Jim Cockrum
      Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

      adopting a pile of kids from the third world seems
      like a great idea...
      Drat...I'm so busted...LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author dgiles63
    Originally Posted by owenprescott View Post

    Having kids seems to be an effective marketing technique so I was wondering if I should have kids too?
    Having kids is a big responsibility. Having them just to use in your profile, probably isn't a good enough reason.

    Now, including them in your profile might not be a bad idea. The profile pictures are small, and I have only seen a parent and a child in the pictures. I don't know that seeing a child in a profile picture with a parent gives me any more trust--however, I like kids and may drop my guard a little bit when I see a cute one.

    Just my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author CpvTrafficPro
    Nothing like a misleading marketer to try and scrape a dime out of as many people as possible
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    • Profile picture of the author Rags2Richs
      Amen to that! If I see a mansion, yacht, fancy car or family photo I click off.
      Sure indication it's either a scam or weak offer.
      IMHO
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  • Profile picture of the author dad2four
    Photoshop...far less expensive, far fewer headaches, keep your freedome intact. Wouldn't trade them for the world but their ability as marketing tools is way down the list. Good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Justyn Franko
    I think being “real” and “authentic” is worth its weight in GOLD in online marketing… Try that...
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  • Profile picture of the author owenprescott
    Just for those that might have missed the British sense of humor, yes I was joking . I wanted to make a point about the questionable ethics of some marketers when it comes to what I can only describe as 'pimpin' their kids or perhaps even monetizing their family photos.

    I am not at all against proud parents sharing their photos, please don't think I am targeting you guys. In my opinion the line is drawn when the parent purposely starts plastering the photos on squeeze pages and offers solely as a psychological tool. Imagine one day once they have grown up and find their childhood pictures on some sleazy sales page offer, I would not be impressed.

    As noted by other Warriors the same psychological techniques are used with mansions, piles of money, girls and sports cars. However, I would argue that objectifying ones kids is probably the lowest of the low. Again this is not aimed at everyone.

    / Sorry about the rant, this thread was just for a laugh so I am not trying to preach anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author HunterOnHunt
    Someone told me more kids you have in sales page pic more sales you got.
    So i went to a local school and shoot a pic of me with about 100+ childs,
    but i got 0 sales and got my account banned.
    Next time i tried the Same picture with a men penis enlargement and stamina increasing product i got whooping 10k sales.
    So yes Pic with kids affect sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Why do I get the feeling that some posters have no clue?

      As one who made four kids without knowing that they were good for Internet marketing, I would say the better alternative is -

      Rent - A - Kid

      Be sure to ask for five or six different nationalities so you don't seem to be discriminating in your family.

      Then again

      WC Fields said

      "I love kids . . . I have one everyday for breakfast."

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      • Profile picture of the author Stephen Williams
        for real? What squeeze pages have kids on them?
        Never saw one and don't want to.

        And maybe its not a "marketing tactic" to have your kids and family on social networks. Its kinda just...normal.

        If I were you, I would step away from Internet Marketing if you are looking into it this deeply to be honest.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Stephen Williams View Post

          for real? What squeeze pages have kids on them?
          Never saw one and don't want to.

          And maybe its not a "marketing tactic" to have your kids and family on social networks. Its kinda just...normal.

          If I were you, I would step away from Internet Marketing if you are looking into it this deeply to be honest.
          Stephen, you just haven't seen enough sales pages or squeeze pages.

          I've seen plenty using kids at a theme park (think "mouse ears"), kids on some exotic vacation, kids playing in the pool behind the mansion, etc. as "proof of success". Because there are kids in the picture, you're supposed to believe the hero in the hero story that usually accompanies the exploitation.
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        • Profile picture of the author owenprescott
          Originally Posted by Stephen Williams View Post

          for real? What squeeze pages have kids on them?
          Never saw one and don't want to.

          And maybe its not a "marketing tactic" to have your kids and family on social networks. Its kinda just...normal.

          If I were you, I would step away from Internet Marketing if you are looking into it this deeply to be honest.
          Other Warriors had a laugh in this thread, and some even figured I was poking fun at what IS a marketing tactic, in SOME cases. I am not sure why you have chosen to nitpick to be honest, but each to their own. Also the idea of "looking to deeply" made me laugh, would you rather I "look blindly"?
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          • Profile picture of the author Jon Sullivan
            Photoshop is definitely faster. 9 months is a long time to wait to launch the next product.

            It might be interesting to run a split page test, one with just a guy, the other with the photoshopped (or real) kids.

            Maybe I can get my friend to draw a simpsonized picture of my daughter and add her to my avatar...
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              On a more serious note - why would you want to put your children on a public access site that likely has a page or a link with your address on it, too?
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  • Profile picture of the author kinyash
    Whatever happened to honest and ethical marketing??
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  • Profile picture of the author richrowley
    I think split test with a cute kid and then an ugly kid. The fugly kid might do well for comedy value.

    Then try the ugly kid holding a kitty!
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    You don't gain my trust if you have children. I don't know if you are a good person only because you have a family; if this family is really real.

    As a matter of fact, if you have children you are anxiously trying to make money because you have to buy many things and pay many bills. You have a difficult mission, and you surely need my contribution. I don't know if it will really be advantageous for me to trust your guidance.

    And I don't like these ‘pictures with the family’ even when they are real. I can see that there is an intention to make me think that ‘this marketer is honest’.

    I never show my son’s picture anywhere; perhaps because he already is a man, but I don't see any meaning on using my son’s picture to show to the world that I have a son. I don't like this tactic.

    I may mention my son’s existence many times because he is part of my life, but I don't show his pictures anywhere. I think that this is not professional. My business is my business; my family is something else I don't feel I should expose online.





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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by clever7 View Post

      You don't gain my trust if you have children. I don't know if you are a good person only because you have a family; if this family is really real.
      Even if the family is real, all it proves is that both BabyMama and BabyDaddy are fertile. And there are an awful lot of fertile people who should not be playing in the gene pool...
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Originally Posted by owenprescott View Post

    My question relates to the common theme of internet marketers featuring pictures with their kids on squeeze pages and social profiles. Having kids seems to be an effective marketing technique so I was wondering if I should have kids too?

    Also how many kids would you consider most effective for generating leads? I plan on taking action as soon as possible but perhaps there are some alternatives that will create the same effect?

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    I would recommend two kids, one boy and one girl. They cant be babies because babies are annoying to most grown men but cute to women so you will cut your market in half. Also they cant be over the age 12 because teenagers are also annoying when they go through "that phase".

    Animals and kids go well together too, labradors are among the worlds most loved breed so a happy snap or two with the rug rats and the dish licker together will make your customers believe anything you say.

    TIP: if you dont have kids but need photos of them it's usually not a good idea to take photos of kids in public because we all know what will happen to you then.

    It would be best to borrow someone else's children, family children are best as they may already look similar to you and you probably wont need to pay to use them.

    If the little tackers get bored and become annoying I find bribes such as money, gifts, toys and candy work well (my two year old can be convinced to do almost anything for dinosaur chocolates).
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  • Profile picture of the author James Fame
    Not sure if it's anything to do with the psychology of trust, but basically, conversions have shown to have increased the moment a picture of a "baby" or an attractive female is placed on the same fold as the action button.

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  • Profile picture of the author palmtrees
    Drive by a school when it gets out and throw some in the back of your van. Otherwise it's gonna take years to build up a few, and do you even have a woman to bear them?
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    I think you should ask your grandma to pose for photos. It will increase your domain authority as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author executed
    I do not think you should use your kids' pictures for side. In fact you do not need to use any personal pictures like your family, your friends in your website. I do not agree that kids seem to be an effective marketing technique. If you really want to know about the marketing technique then need a professional advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author lisa1982
    Originally Posted by owenprescott View Post

    My question relates to the common theme of internet marketers featuring pictures with their kids on squeeze pages and social profiles. Having kids seems to be an effective marketing technique so I was wondering if I should have kids too?

    Also how many kids would you consider most effective for generating leads? I plan on taking action as soon as possible but perhaps there are some alternatives that will create the same effect?

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    Ho my God is this how far people are ready to go to just have some leads?
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    • Originally Posted by lisa1982 View Post

      Ho my God is this how far people are ready to go to just have some leads?
      Some failed to see the intended humor by the OP. Others caught on. However, the kids in pics phenomena is very real.

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