Do Super Underground Affiliates REALLY Exist?

They do, but they're less likely in the make money online (or related niches).

The general sequence and events you speak of are quite unique to the make money online niche, and yes, in this niche most of the top affiliates are fellow product creators. That's why most of the names you see on 'jv leaderboards' are recognisable.

That's not to say there aren't any underground guys working in MMO though. I'm sure there are.

However it is other niches where most of the underground affiliates will operate. There are webmasters and marketers in other niches (lets say wight loss, pregnancy, penis enlargement) who are making a killing as affiliates with blogs and authority websites. Could you name a top affiliate in dog training? Probably not.

Originally Posted by tpw They do exist. But eventually, most of them will expand their horizons by creating products and sharing what they have learned with others. Just last week, I met a guy who would have matched your full description two weeks ago, but the description no longer applies now that he has released a product and shared his knowledge with those who might be interested in what he has to share. As far as those folks who dress the way you described, I take it you have never been to a networking event yourself?

I do.

That was Global Internet Seminar by Success Resources in 2009 and 2010.

However back then, I was still new to internet marketing.

Now I learn the hard way that in order to really benefit, you don't just network but invest in one of those coaching courses which costs around $3-5K.

That's me! I love my flip flops & shorts!

Yes, they do exist.

Dropping Knowledge...

Making $5000 a month is not what makes one a "Super Affiliate". This is a real term that means the Affiliate's business is larger or more important than the Advertiser's business.

Example: Super affiliate sends 100k in revenue to Advertiser per month. Advertiser is only doing 105k in revenue per month (5k is coming from elsewhere).

This is a super affiliate because he is literally making or breaking that advertiser at his whim. He could easily jump ship and push his volume somewhere else or bully the advertiser into giving him a payout higher than the advertiser wants because the advertiser can't risk losing the affiliate. So the affiliates position is Superior or "Super" to the advertiser because its normally the advertiser who sets the tone in the relationship.

So you could be a Super affiliate profiting $5,000 a month (I would assume you are doing like $25,000 in volume or something like that) so small advertisers could rely on you heavily. But if you are doing that for a normal sized or big company, they probably have 50 of you as well as internal traffic that will blow you away.

Exactly...

Many people on here are confused, an info product on Dating and an info product on MMO are considered "info products". 95% of traffic out there is not for info products. Most absolutely HUGE affiliates are doing lead generation for big ticket items like insurance, medical, real estate, etc or are selling physical products or services.

There are definitely big Bizop guys for sure but in the whole scheme of affiliate marketing, most would not be on WF since they are not pushing info products or bizop.

+1 for the technical definition of "super affiliate."

So really anyone can be a super affiliate if you find an affiliate program small enough. :p

Some affiliates, even in the MMO space, don't want customers and everything that comes with it.

They would rather send the vendor the customer, get their cut and call it a day.

Myself included

See you there

Amazon is cool and easy sales can be had, but you have to sell a bajillion dollars worth of stuff to make anything substantial.

I focus on stuff that pays at least 50%.

And yeah I spend money on traffic, but I'm averaging close to $4 in revenue for every $1 I spend (or more), so the only way my face changes when I'm asked is from a grin to a shit eating grin

dunno where you are getting them numbers. Maybe pulling them out of thin air.

These guys do exists, and they do have real numbers. They know precisely what their conversion rates are on everything...and no these guys are not spending small money for their profits. I know a warrior spending about $1000 a day on traffic, in a well known niche, but he makes alot more than that profit.

You will want to be very strict with numbers and ROI if you do get good at this, you cant just take wild stabs in the dark.

That's a good question.

There's a strategy you can do that, go to various resorts or holiday destinations - well contact them as travelling bills may add up

Holiday Resorts and holiday hotels need customers. Now resorts clearly need customers, So you can setup joint venture with these type of businesses - You essentially receive a commission per customer who books in to the resort/hotel.

You can go to discount websites, like groupon and sell the holiday packages, and this site is just one of many, imagine all that free traffic looking at deals of holiday destinations/resorts etc.

You have the potential of high end commissions.

That's a juicy method right there, hope you enjoy it

Regards

Ali Chowdhry

You should start doing paid traffic.

Think about how much money you're not making because you don't spend money on paid traffic.

You can easily double your business (or more) with paid traffic.

You're thinking of the few involved with IM-related niches, presumably, and ignoring all the other 398-ish niches in which affiliate marketers can become so successful?

Better to be a super business owner and also be your own super affiliate. If you run an offer, its almost pitiful if you can't run your own traffic better than 99% of your affiliates since you "get the highest payout" and they have a cut taken out of theirs (ie their profit).

Super affiliates are extremely powerful, its definitely not a bad position to be in at all. And some super affiliates make more than the program owners on that same offer, just FYI.