Who are the decent guys

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Hi everyone,

I recently thought I had a great mentor and was really excited about being taught and finally having someone who gave a damn if I made money or not, unfortunately this person has disappeared and left my dreams deflated, this is not the first time this has happened and to be honest you get fed up with this type of thing happening.

I'm not drawing any conclusions why this happened but it is sole destroying, all I want is someone trustworthy who is willing to help me along the path to making some money.
I have a good job but I work long hours and it does affect my health you can only keep up that pace for so long.

Who out there can recommend someone trustworthy who is willing to help me, I'm obviously willing to pay but don't want to throw more money down the drain, there must be some good honest people out there

Brett
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
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    there must be some good honest people out there
    Yes, but most of them are not in the "coaching" game. Not that there are no honest coaches, it just attracts the bottom of the barrel, looking for victims.
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    • Profile picture of the author BRETTBrtsk
      Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

      Yes, but most of them are not in the "coaching" game. Not that there are no honest coaches, it just attracts the bottom of the barrel, looking for victims.
      I just find it a shame that there are not people out there who are willing to help other people and that you can trust
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      • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
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        Originally Posted by BRETTBrtsk View Post

        I just find it a shame that there are not people out there who are willing to help other people and that you can trust
        There are. They are usually insanely busy. A lot of people are looking for what you are looking for.

        My advice: Learn what you can utilizing free resources such as the Warrior forum. If you feel you need a coach then keep researching them.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Originally Posted by BRETTBrtsk View Post

        I just find it a shame that there are not people out there who are willing to help other people and that you can trust
        Brett,

        Just because you have had some bad experiences and haven't found the right mentor yet, doesn't mean they are not out there.

        Consider a couple of things. Most good mentors have ongoing businesses that probably pay them greater dividends than coaching. So I would suggest that the really successful people may not be anxious to be open to coaching "just anyone."

        Second, mentoring is a tough challenge to undertake. How does one give huge amounts of time to a newbie to ensure his success when he has 10, 100 or 1,000 other coaching clients? The cream (of students) rise to the top and with some assistance they find their way.

        Third, having a successful business is less about the mentor and ultimately more about the entrepreneur. The vast majority of a mentor's students will never make it - not because the coaching was lousy though. They won't make it because they don't have what it takes to succeed.

        Now I'm not minimizing the positive effects of a good mentor. I think it's a great way to go if you find a good one. I'm just saying that most people will fail at creating a successful business because of themselves.

        At the end of the day, you can't lay blame at the feet of any mentor, service, product, system, or program. You are the business and you will determine how successful you become.

        The very best to you,

        Steve
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        • Profile picture of the author BRETTBrtsk
          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

          Brett,

          Just because you have had some bad experiences and haven't found the right mentor yet, doesn't mean they are not out there.

          Consider a couple of things. Most good mentors have ongoing businesses that probably pay them greater dividends than coaching. So I would suggest that the really successful people may not be anxious to be open to coaching "just anyone."

          Second, mentoring is a tough challenge to undertake. How does one give huge amounts of time to a newbie to ensure his success when he has 10, 100 or 1,000 other coaching clients? The cream (of students) rise to the top and with some assistance they find their way.

          Third, having a successful business is less about the mentor and ultimately more about the entrepreneur. The vast majority of a mentor's students will never make it - not because the coaching was lousy though. They won't make it because they don't have what it takes to succeed.

          Now I'm not minimizing the positive effects of a good mentor. I think it's a great way to go if you find a good one. I'm just saying that most people will fail at creating a successful business because of themselves.

          At the end of the day, you can't lay blame at the feet of any mentor, service, product, system, or program. You are the business and you will determine how successful you become.

          The very best to you,

          Steve
          i quite agree, just a bit fed up with ones that dissapear lol
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Barber
            Get yourself along top some local networking events and meet the people who are actually doing it. You will pick up loads of help and then try and do a JV with someone success where you do all the work and they just put in the knowledge/skill and you will learn that way.

            Not sure where you are in the UK. We host a monthly networking event in Manchester that you would be welcome to (next one is tomorrow 20th Sept). Otherwise Martin Avis runs one in London. You can search on meetup dot com for meetings in your area.

            Martin is also running a 2 day boot camp next month at Heathrow were you would get plenty of networking opportunities including with the speakers and you can see who is a good match for you and which direction you want to go in IM.

            Hope that is helpful.

            Paul
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Wells
          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

          they don't have what it takes to succeed
          Specifically what is it that people have to have, in order to succeed?

          We all have two eyes. Two ears. A mouth, and a nose. We all have skin and bones, and brains that think.

          What is the key ingredient that sets some apart from others?

          1. Burning Desire
          2. Believing (confidence)
          3. Direction
          4. Focus
          5. Goals (a game plan)
          6. Someone who takes action

          I am sure there are many other things needed. But these are essential for sure.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            But my question is what is WF doing to filter out unscrupulous operators?? Where is the regulation??
            If you could see the number of sellers who've been banned here or the number of offers closed, you'd know the answer. We don't post about every action like that, though, for a lot of reasons. The biggest one being that we could be wrong as easily as anyone else.

            The "regulation" is that little red triangle to the lower left of each post. If you want to bring something to the moderators' attention, click that, fill in the details, and submit it. This is a report-driven system. We rely on the members to let us know when problems arise. It's the only workable way to keep up with things here.

            As far as "naming names," you'd be surprised at how mixed a bag that would be. Sometimes there really are problems. We look into those reports and can usually tell which are seller issues, which are customer issues, and which are miscommunication. That last is easily the most common, by the way.

            We also see extortion attempts (reports used as a way to get something the seller wasn't promised and didn't pay for, or as revenge for refusing to give a "free sample"), and some outright lies.

            We tend to get involved most seriously when there is an issue of failure to deliver or to honor a posted refund policy. If you just don't like someone's style, that's between you and them.
            Or does it not matter as long as WSO listing and
            bump fees are paid it's all open house??
            If you don't know how the system works, that's an understandable question.

            The mods don't make a dime off advertising fees here. Not one dime. And, as any seller who's had to deal with me over a serious infraction can tell you, I don't care how much they spend here. I once banned a guy who was spending thousands a month here for refusal to issue a single refund on a low-ticket affiliate sale. He didn't get back in until that refund was made.

            Here's where things get to looking strange. We see it a lot. People will post complaints in a thread and never use the report post function. They assume the mods read every post in every thread, which is simply not possible. We averaged around 4000 new posts a day for the past year, not counting the spam that got deleted.

            When people complain publicly and nothing happens, they assume we don't care. The real problem is... we don't know it's happening.

            If there's a problem... Report it.

            Same goes for sellers. If you have a troll running loose in a thread, causing havoc without having actually bought the product, report it. WSO threads are for product sales, pre-sales questions, and comments from actual paying customers. Not arguments about sales techniques.

            Oh, and to add to that... Giving someone a refund does NOT remove their right to comment on the product. Don't even try that one.


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            • Profile picture of the author Iqball
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              If you could see the number of sellers who've been banned here or the number of offers closed, you'd know the answer. We don't post about every action like that, though, for a lot of reasons. The biggest one being that we could be wrong as easily as anyone else.

              The "regulation" is that little red triangle to the lower left of each post. If you want to bring something to the moderators' attention, click that, fill in the details, and submit it. This is a report-driven system. We rely on the members to let us know when problems arise. It's the only workable way to keep up with things here.

              As far as "naming names," you'd be surprised at how mixed a bag that would be. Sometimes there really are problems. We look into those reports and can usually tell which are seller issues, which are customer issues, and which are miscommunication. That last is easily the most common, by the way.

              We also see extortion attempts (reports used as a way to get something the seller wasn't promised and didn't pay for, or as revenge for refusing to give a "free sample"), and some outright lies.

              We tend to get involved most seriously when there is an issue of failure to deliver or to honor a posted refund policy. If you just don't like someone's style, that's between you and them.If you don't know how the system works, that's an understandable question.

              The mods don't make a dime off advertising fees here. Not one dime. And, as any seller who's had to deal with me over a serious infraction can tell you, I don't care how much they spend here. I once banned a guy who was spending thousands a month here for refusal to issue a single refund on a low-ticket affiliate sale. He didn't get back in until that refund was made.

              Here's where things get to looking strange. We see it a lot. People will post complaints in a thread and never use the report post function. They assume the mods read every post in every thread, which is simply not possible. We averaged around 4000 new posts a day for the past year, not counting the spam that got deleted.

              When people complain publicly and nothing happens, they assume we don't care. The real problem is... we don't know it's happening.

              If there's a problem... Report it.

              Same goes for sellers. If you have a troll running loose in a thread, causing havoc without having actually bought the product, report it. WSO threads are for product sales, pre-sales questions, and comments from actual paying customers. Not arguments about sales techniques.

              Oh, and to add to that... Giving someone a refund does NOT remove their right to comment on the product. Don't even try that one.


              Paul
              I respect your reply. Thank you. It is clarified to address the question I raised.
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    • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
      Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post

      Yes, but most of them are not in the "coaching" game. Not that there are no honest coaches, it just attracts the bottom of the barrel, looking for victims.
      This I unfortunately have to agree with. As the old saying goes "Those who can DO, those who can't TEACH"

      Just make sure to always do your due diligence before you ever invest in any coach or product for that matter
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by Malcolm Thomas View Post

        This I unfortunately have to agree with. As the old saying goes "Those who can DO, those who can't TEACH"

        Just make sure to always do your due diligence before you ever invest in any coach or product for that matter
        One of the worst sayings ever. There are plenty of people who DO and also TEACH.

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      • Profile picture of the author Coby
        Originally Posted by Malcolm Thomas View Post

        This I unfortunately have to agree with. As the old saying goes "Those who can DO, those who can't TEACH"

        Just make sure to always do your due diligence before you ever invest in any coach or product for that matter
        Not everyone is in it for the money!

        Some folks have proven track records, but get satisfaction from helping others.

        Here's a related quote from Zig Ziglar that I love...
        "You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want."
        But as I said in an earlier post, I do agree that someone should absolutely do their due diligence before investing in a coach.

        Cheers,
        Coby
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        • Profile picture of the author Lynn Terry
          Originally Posted by Coby View Post

          Here's a related quote from Zig Ziglar that I love...
          "You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help other people get what they want."
          I love that quote, Coby.

          It can be interpreted in so many ways. Helping buyers make smart buying decisions, for example - is helping people get what they want (win/win).
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  • Profile picture of the author Story
    May I know if your lost coach in from WF as well? Mind letting us know the name, so that we know another guy to avoid?
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    • Profile picture of the author BRETTBrtsk
      Originally Posted by Story View Post

      May I know if your lost coach in from WF as well? Mind letting us know the name, so that we know another guy to avoid?
      sorry don't put names out until i know the whole facts, i only think its fair just in case theres been something bad happened to them
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      • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
        Originally Posted by BRETTBrtsk View Post

        sorry don't put names out until i know the whole facts, i only think its fair just in case theres been something bad happened to them
        And it's also against the rules. So I'm glad you're not putting any names out there, at least, in this forum.

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        • Profile picture of the author Steve B
          Brett,

          Just a follow-up thought . . .

          If I were searching for a mentor, I would seek out someone who has been highly successful online in the niche and/or sales strategy that I was most inclined to adopt myself.

          So for instance, if I wanted to open an e-commerce store selling women's shoes, I would try to find a mentor who had experience in selling shoes (hopefully women's) from an online store.

          If I were creating a membership site to cater to dog training enthusiasts, I would look for a mentor that had experience with subscriptions sites (and if you found one that had experience with selling training-type information that is perfect).

          Bottom line is, some mentors are good at certain things where they've had previous experience but wouldn't be a lot of help out of their element. Try to find a mentor that's been successful online in the type of business you're wanting to develop.

          Good luck Brett.

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  • Profile picture of the author IM Player
    Originally Posted by BRETTBrtsk View Post

    Hi everyone
    I recently thought I had a great mentor and was really excited about being taught and finally having someone who gave a damn if I made money or not, unfortunately this person has disappeared and left my dreams deflated, this is not the first time this has happened and to be honest you get fed up with this type of thing happening.
    I'm not drawing any conclusions why this happened but it is sole destroying, all I want is someone trustworthy who is willing to help me along the path to making some money.
    I have a good job but I work long hours and it does affect my health you can only keep up that pace for so long.
    Who out there can recommend someone trustworthy who is willing to help me, I'm obviously willing to pay but don't want to throw more money down the drain, there must be some good honest people out there

    Brett
    I feel your pain, mate. I've been there, three times in three years. I thought I'm the only one with such a bad luck. One of my ex "mentors" is actually a very known person here on WF, he had sold several WSO's, but I guess such people either don't know how to properly manage their time, or they really don't care about their students. I never could get in touch with him, the only time I could get his attention, was when I posted on his thread, he finally replied to me then, but soon after that he disappeared again, and he closed the thread. Well, what can I say.. I just tried to keep calm and move forward. S..t happens.

    As for coaching, I'd advise you to try Kenster's "Six Figure Alliance". I think he just reopened the doors for this coaching yesterday. It's not really a one-to-one coaching, but I've had one-to-one coachings twice, and I have to say what Kenster offers is much much better. He doesn't only teach you how to make money, he CHANGES YOU. You'll start to think different and live different. And Kenster always answers within 24 hours any questions you may have. I'm a part of this program and I don't think I'll ever look for anything else.

    Here's the link (not affiliate, I was were you are now, and I just want to help) - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post5529503

    Hope this helps good luck
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    • Profile picture of the author Lassarus
      Originally Posted by IM Player View Post

      As for coaching, I'd advise you to try Kenster's "Six Figure Alliance". I think he just reopened the doors for this coaching yesterday. It's not really a one-to-one coaching, but I've had one-to-one coachings twice, and I have to say what Kenster offers is much much better. He doesn't only teach you how to make money, he CHANGES YOU. You'll start to think different and live different. And Kenster always answers within 24 hours any questions you may have. I'm a part of this program and I don't think I'll ever look for anything else.

      Hope this helps good luck
      Yep, Just joined myself, and have to admit it's the real deal. Kenster has a great rep as a product creator and a mentor. What's more, he know his stuff and really cares about your success!!

      It is a bit of an expense, but trust me, well worth the money you will spend.

      That said, You'll only get out what you put so be prepared to do the work!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kenster
      Originally Posted by IM Player View Post

      I feel your pain, mate. I've been there, three times in three years. I thought I'm the only one with such a bad luck. One of my ex "mentors" is actually a very known person here on WF, he had sold several WSO's, but I guess such people either don't know how to properly manage their time, or they really don't care about their students. I never could get in touch with him, the only time I could get his attention, was when I posted on his thread, he finally replied to me then, but soon after that he disappeared again, and he closed the thread. Well, what can I say.. I just tried to keep calm and move forward. S..t happens.

      As for coaching, I'd advise you to try Kenster's "Six Figure Alliance". I think he just reopened the doors for this coaching yesterday. It's not really a one-to-one coaching, but I've had one-to-one coachings twice, and I have to say what Kenster offers is much much better. He doesn't only teach you how to make money, he CHANGES YOU. You'll start to think different and live different. And Kenster always answers within 24 hours any questions you may have. I'm a part of this program and I don't think I'll ever look for anything else.

      Here's the link (not affiliate, I was were you are now, and I just want to help) - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ml#post5529503

      Hope this helps good luck
      Originally Posted by Lassarus View Post

      Yep, Just joined myself, and have to admit it's the real deal. Kenster has a great rep as a product creator and a mentor. What's more, he know his stuff and really cares about your success!!

      It is a bit of an expense, but trust me, well worth the money you will spend.

      That said, You'll only get out what you put so be prepared to do the work!!


      Thanks for all the shout-outs here.

      I wanted to make sure my program was completely closed before answering here so there is no perceived hidden motive.

      And I don't have anything open for the rest of the year, so don't ask...and these are my honest thoughts about coaching...

      Finding a good coach or mentor can be the best thing you ever do. Navigating the internet is tough, it's a jungle out there with tons of bad and conflicting information. Can you make it through without a coach, absolutely. I did and many others do.

      But a coach would have saved me many thousands and who knows how much time.

      If I had to start all over, I would invest everything I had into coaching, nothing else.

      NOW...

      Coaching isn't a free ticket to success. You still need to work, figure things out, work some more, make mistakes, and do 95% of everything completely on your own...even with a great coach.

      The coach is responsible for directing you the right way. The coach tells you what direction to drive the car but you need to do all the work driving it, and you still need to watch out for other cars, for pot-holes, you need to fix your car when it breaks etc etc but at least you are going in the right direction.

      Too many people get a coach and think the coach is going to build their business for them and this is where many coaching-student relationships go bad. So when you go into coaching, think of it more like hiring a consultant...it's an investment to shorten your learning curve and save you time and money in the long run, but it's not a free ticket to the winner's circle.

      As a coach, I've been very pleased with 98% of my students. That's the reason I continue doing it to be honest. As long as expectations are set from the get-go, everything will go smooth.

      If the student is expecting to have a complete business built by me, for them, then I normally voluntarily offer their money back before we even start. Most times I do this the student begs me not to issue the refund, but I've been in this business long enough to know that their are good students and bad students just as much as good coaches and bad coaches.

      And with that said, not every student is right for every coach. You may be a great fit for one coach and a terrible one for another.

      So I guess the whole point of this long winded response is that coaching is one of the best investments anybody can make but it's not as cut and dry and just finding a good coach and then everything is butterflies and rainbows.

      You need to find a good coach that is good FOR YOU and you need to understand that you'll still be running your entire business...the coach is going to give you direction.

      And as a side note...the coach that promises to build your business for you...run far away. Those are generally the coaches who have never been successful at all themselves.

      One more thing...like many things, you get what you pay for with coaching!
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Kenster,

        Thank you for your post. I agree and have always believed that a good coach directs, encourages, motivates and responds when needed. Otherwise, the student needs to take full and total responsibility for his own actions and performance.

        It's not the coach that's "on trial and being tested." It's the student.

        The best to all of you.

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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by Kenster View Post

        Finding a good coach or mentor can be the best thing you ever do.
        That was a long post, but you should expand on this part.

        So two questions for you, Kenster, one of the more well known coaches on this forum.

        1. Let's say I'm a newbie and I want to learn from someone with bona fide professional experience. How would I go about making sure their core experience isn't limited to marketing their own coaching services? And what do you think is a good bar for the level of experience? For instance, is it okay if the coach did something just really quick or should they have many years of experience that has left a verifiable trail?

        2. Do you recommend newbies buy coaching without knowing what area of business the material is going to cover? For instance, it's probably not a good idea to buy "make money with brick and mortar" coaching that doesn't disclose the business. It could be in landscaping, roofing, car repair... and that is obviously something you'd want to know prior to purchasing the coaching services. But we see a great deal of "make money online" coaches doing exactly that (not disclosing the business). Should newbies buy into this or should they seek out something that is more obvious as to what they are buying?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    @the OP: I hope you paid by credit card. Or at least Paypal.

    File a complaint and work on getting your money back. If you paid by credit card, the cc company will be very much on your side right off the bat.

    Through Paypal, you still have a good chance--I hope you documented everything that happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    It's probably not a good idea to post individual names here on the forum.

    Like companies, people can have bad and good experiences with people. The same person that raves about a product from Home Depot, Wal-mart, etc may have an experience that is drastically opposite. I've been a loyal customer of Amazon for quite some time now (and, so has my wife, as I receive all the notifications to my email account whenever she purchases anything...lol....1-click purchasing is both a blessing and a curse, btw )

    A few days ago, we bought a bamboo shoe rack. Sadly, it was delivered broken. (Amazon has a great system in place for handling those things, btw...but, that's for another thread entirely). What I'm saying is that someone else could have had a completely different and better experience with that same person. Sure, I get wanting to help fellow Warriors avoid the same pitfalls, but, you should definitely tread cautiously. Whether bad or good, one review or testimonial may not sway many people....but, if you can find OTHER similar negative reviews, the existence of a trend gives credence to shadiness that, sure, go ahead and shed light on.

    I'd just say to be careful, especially if you don't know anyone else who has shared similar experiences. Complaining could erode into attacking character when there may be elements of the situation that you simply aren't seeing or considering (what happens if he went missing because, God forbid, something tragic happened to him or to his family?...it's always good to be sure before posting things like that...)
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    • Profile picture of the author BRETTBrtsk
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      It's probably not a good idea to post individual names here on the forum.

      Like companies, people can have bad and good experiences with people. The same person that raves about a product from Home Depot, Wal-mart, etc may have an experience that is drastically opposite. I've been a loyal customer of Amazon for quite some time now (and, so has my wife, as I receive all the notifications to my email account whenever she purchases anything...lol....1-click purchasing is both a blessing and a curse, btw )

      A few days ago, we bought a bamboo shoe rack. Sadly, it was delivered broken. (Amazon has a great system in place for handling those things, btw...but, that's for another thread entirely). What I'm saying is that someone else could have had a completely different and better experience with that same person. Sure, I get wanting to help fellow Warriors avoid the same pitfalls, but, you should definitely tread cautiously. Whether bad or good, one review or testimonial may not sway many people....but, if you can find OTHER similar negative reviews, the existence of a trend gives credence to shadiness that, sure, go ahead and shed light on.

      I'd just say to be careful, especially if you don't know anyone else who has shared similar experiences. Complaining could erode into attacking character when there may be elements of the situation that you simply aren't seeing or considering (what happens if he went missing because, God forbid, something tragic happened to him or to his family?...it's always good to be sure before posting things like that...)
      Exactly my point, I try and give everyone a chance, I live my life that way and try and think the best of people
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    • Profile picture of the author Iqball
      Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

      It's probably not a good idea to post individual names here on the forum.
      I strongly disagree with this above pt. Post the name.
      Why not??
      Many coaching programs require significant investment,
      therefore some basic due diligence is required.
      The supports and feedbacks is here.

      But my question is what is WF doing to filter out unscrupulous
      operators?? Where is the regulation??


      Or does it not matter as long as WSO listing and
      bump fees are paid it's all open house??
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      • Profile picture of the author ronrule
        Originally Posted by Iqball View Post

        I strongly disagree with this above pt. Post the name.
        Why not??
        Many coaching programs require significant investment,
        therefore some basic due diligence is required.
        The supports and feedbacks is here.

        But my question is what is WF doing to filter out unscrupulous
        operators?? Where is the regulation??


        Or does it not matter as long as WSO listing and
        bump fees are paid it's all open house??
        Eh, I'm on the fence about that too... posting names isn't necessarily a good idea unless there is legal action or other issues going on that have already been made public/mainstream. No matter how "good" you are, there will always be someone that has a bad experience with what you're offering - there could be a number of reasons, and without hearing both sides it's unfair to be posting the names of people who may not necessarily have done anything wrong.

        For all we know the reason someone's emails aren't being returned is because they charged back their credit card purchase or something... not saying that's the case here, but there are two sides to every story. Just saying it's not wise to tarnish/trash someone's reputation in a public forum just because you personally had a bad experience.
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        • Profile picture of the author Iqball
          Originally Posted by ronrule View Post

          Eh, I'm on the fence about that too... posting names isn't necessarily a good idea unless there is legal action or other issues going on that have already been made public/mainstream. No matter how "good" you are, there will always be someone that has a bad experience with what you're offering - there could be a number of reasons, and without hearing both sides it's unfair to be posting the names of people who may not necessarily have done anything wrong.

          For all we know the reason someone's emails aren't being returned is because they charged back their credit card purchase or something... not saying that's the case here, but there are two sides to every story. Just saying it's not wise to tarnish/trash someone's reputation in a public forum just because you personally had a bad experience.
          Ok that is fair point on the one or two bad experiences. That is inevitable in real world trading. But i see no harm in posting a thread to ask..."hey guys anybody tried this program by the John Doe, as i'm interested?" If someone wades in on the thread about bad experiences, then simply the program author can politely come in on the the thread to request PM. And i am sure many stand up marketers offering real help and opportunity would not be too minded by this.
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      • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
        Originally Posted by Iqball View Post

        I strongly disagree with this above pt. Post the name.
        Why not??
        Many coaching programs require significant investment,
        therefore some basic due diligence is required.
        The supports and feedbacks is here.

        But my question is what is WF doing to filter out unscrupulous
        operators?? Where is the regulation??


        Or does it not matter as long as WSO listing and
        bump fees are paid it's all open house??
        I disagree with your disagreement.

        I completely understand your point of view, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author paul nicholls
    my advice would be to look at someone history and study them first before handing over any money

    after all this is your hard earned money so make sure you do your research

    i have always said and stand by this and that is if you can't easily find out more info about someone online and they are offering coaching then stay clear

    in my experience when someone has nothing online where you can find them then that is never a good sign

    turn up your bs detector and do your research

    paul
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    That is like asking me to rec some nice use car sales men. Good luck finding some.

    Hey buddy, I'm your best friend and I want to help you. Look at this awesome car. It is a steal of a deal at this low low price.

    Really, you need to see the world as it is. People are not sugary or nice.

    Honestly, do you expect to be able to make a lot of money? That is like winning the lottery in some ways. Mostly, it depends on on luck, but there we go.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrgoe
    Life is full of dissapointments. What I can tell you is that there are people out there that coach you and you make money. It`s just a problem to find them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    Same thing happened to me years ago. My advice? Stick to the forums. If you're dead set on paying someone for coaching and stuff check out wealthy affiliate, it's expensive though and honestly if you're fine just asking questions, you can get all of your coaching for free here.

    You don't need a coach though, just ask around here, people will show you exactly what you need to do.

    Feels bad though, I had a 'coach' scam me 3 years ago or so.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coby
    Sorry to hear your mentor dipped out on you - sadly I hear this way to often!

    Before you choose your next mentor I would take a little time and find out more about them. Ask around the warrior forum, search them on Google, find others who are (or have) taking their coaching.

    There are a lot of "good" coaches here on this very forum, but sadly there are also lots of "pretenders and scammers". However, if you put in a little homework prior to selecting a mentor you should have better results this time.

    You might want to check the "review" section of this forum.

    Hope this helps and good luck!

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author JamesBorg
    It's very rare that someone making the big dollars is going to hand-hold someone for the kind of price point that newbies are likely to be able to afford.

    Before you get into any coaching/mentoring arrangement, ensure the coach/mentor can demonstrate successful case studies in non-IM/MMO niches, otherwise you're at risk of being sold sizzle without steak.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lynn Terry
      I'm really sorry to hear you've had that experience. I know firsthand that coaching/mentoring is hard work - and can suck up a lot of time and energy. I've been running a private mastermind group for 10 years (started in 2003) and am very low key with it because I like having a smaller close knit community.

      We're more a brainstorming/mastermind group. While I do lead, offer hands-on help, and work with each member personally - I get a lot out of the community *myself*, and the community gives back in a big way by working together.

      It's work - definitely takes an investment to maintain. But I can't imagine just disappearing on people. That's just bad business. At the very least a person should enough respect for their members / clients to step out gracefully and professionally.

      Originally Posted by JamesBorg View Post

      It's very rare that someone making the big dollars is going to hand-hold someone for the kind of price point that newbies are likely to be able to afford.
      Very true. Pick your coaches / mentors wisely! I actually *do* what I *teach* which makes for great live examples and case studies. But most coaches or mentors don't have much personal experience (or success) outside of coaching or mentoring as a business model.

      I don't coach btw - I teach & share & help. I consider that a big difference.

      Coaches can be great when you need them though. There has been a time or two that I've hired someone temporarily to get through a growth spurt, a project, or just for a boost in motivation and accountability.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        just ask of the refund right on the forum....believe me they will get back to you within seconds...if they are still on the forum,.
        then they will ask you if they refunded your money, will you remove the post.....
        This brings up another point people occasionally get confused about. Discussion of refunds in a thread.

        I personally think it's very rude to ask in a public thread the first time. If you ask privately and don't get a relatively prompt reply (one or two business days), then go for it. But that's just my opinion, not forum policy.

        If a seller reports a refund request with the statement that they have issued the refund, and there's no other content in the post, we'll delete it. If the post includes a review of more substance than "It sucks," we won't delete it.

        As far as asking someone to delete a post that includes a refund request, that's fine AFTER the refund has been issued.

        Note: The following only applies if a refund request is within the seller's posted policy.

        If a seller tells you they will only issue a refund if you delete the request or a negative review, report them. If they do it via PM, use the little red triangle to the upper right of the message to do it. That way we know the text hasn't been edited.

        If we have proof that someone is requiring a post to be removed before issuing a refund, they get banned. The duration of the ban can vary depending on their track record, but it's not short. And it never goes away if they don't issue the refund.

        On the flip side, if a seller asks for information needed in order to issue a refund and you refuse to provide it, the operating assumption on the mods' part will be that you didn't actually buy the product. You really don't want the moderators to think you're lying to sabotage an offer if you value your membership here.

        If the sale was made through WarriorPlus, the seller will be best helped by having your W+ SaleID. Paypal sometimes issues different transaction IDs to buyers and sellers (depending on the funding source, I believe), so those may not be enough to identify the order and issue the refund.

        For JV Zoo, you'll get a "Payment ID."

        If it's straight through Paypal, you'll need to provide the seller with the Paypal email address used to make the purchase.


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        • Profile picture of the author BRETTBrtsk
          thanks to every one who took the time to reply, would i name these people, well the answer is a big no.
          at the end of the day im better than that and i believe in giving everyone a chance in life even if they appear to have let me down.
          I know that when im successful i will get more of a kick out of helping someone change there life than letting someone down/
          So once again thanks for all your kind comments and one day i hope to be in a better position to help people
          Thanks

          Brett
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  • Profile picture of the author Iqball
    "Who are the decent guys?"

    The eternal question in this game....very few, my friend, very few.
    You are not alone. Count this down to experience as part of the learning curve.
    You are fortunate to some degree because you will be sharper
    next time you enter the game with senses heightened.
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    As far as those who had said to name the mentor, that is a bad suggestion and it is also against the rules.

    Here is why, and this is not meant towards the op. When someone posts this type of thing we are hearing only one side of the story, the other party is not here to defend themselves.

    In this type of scenario most often a mentor or coach will find themselves coaching a slug that pesters the mentor day in and day out, not doing any thinking for themselves and expecting to be held by the hand every step of the way. What happens next is that the mentor stops communicating with them because it eats up way to much time.

    Like I said that I am not implying that this is the case here but that it is one possibility that we can never know without the second party being present, and that is why it's against the rules not because the Warrior forum sides with who is bringing them the $$$.

    If I were a mentor who found myself in this type of scenario, I would gladly issue a refund rather than ruin my reputation by despairing.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      When someone posts this type of thing we are hearing only one side of the story, the other party is not here to defend themselves.
      Would it not go in the review forum?...
      Internet Marketing Product Reviews & Ratings

      I don't read it too often, so I don't know what's kosher and what isn't. But it seems like reviewing coaching services would be allowed in there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Geri Richmond
    Hi,
    I feel for ya! I have a great coach who is very honest. Her name is Carol Amato. She is not only a great coach, but she is as honest as the day is long. There are a lot of good honest mentors around. Eric Holmlund is another one.

    Good luck in your search.
    Geri Richmond
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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    There are several decent people who make a very comfortable living from internet marketing who are also great teachers. The 3 I highly recommend you see are :

    Chris Farrell
    Kim Roach
    Jo Barnes

    They all deliver massive value, and I believe you would be very happy to be taught by either one of them, or all 3
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    • Profile picture of the author AlisonM
      Originally Posted by MKCookins View Post

      There are several decent people who make a very comfortable living from internet marketing who are also great teachers. The 3 I highly recommend you see are :

      Chris Farrell
      Kim Roach
      Jo Barnes

      They all deliver massive value, and I believe you would be very happy to be taught by either one of them, or all 3
      Chris Farrell and Jo Barnes both deliver excellent content and I recommend either without hesitation. (Indeed Jo Barnes learned from Chris Farrell - which goes to show his teaching works ). I don't know Kim Roach well enough to comment on her.


      For someone starting out, Chris Farrell offers comprehensive training (it is not 1-on-1 coaching, but strangely that isn't needed, as the video training on the website, all the resources, the helpful forum, and support ticket system, make you feel you are getting individual support).


      And he doesn't just teach it, he has learned the whole process from scratch himself and implemented it to earn a decent online income. Definitely worth checking out.


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  • Profile picture of the author tristatemedia
    just ask of the refund right on the forum....believe me they will get back to you within seconds...if they are still on the forum,.
    then they will ask you if they refunded your money, will you remove the post.....
    scammers
    thank god for forum, it keeps alot of people honest
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  • Profile picture of the author Lynn Terry
    Cool, Brett.

    There are lots of great places to ask questions for free too. Like this forum for starters.
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  • Profile picture of the author marcos08
    I agree with the person who mentioned Kenster...... I have never heard a bad word about him and he has opened up many coaching programs...... I have just signed up to his latest and it is great so far..... I have a number of years experience but always looking to find some great strategies and nuggets from those who are super successful and even different softwares I did not know about I do now
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    • Profile picture of the author BRETTBrtsk
      so how good is Kenster, i notice a lot of you mention his name, how much success are you having on his programme he seems like a good guy
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  • Profile picture of the author dannygnenerate
    I would highly advise this, if a person isn't making at least $10,000 per month then don't look their way. Would you go to medical school and learn from a rookie? You'll know for a fact when you talk to someone of the caliber you're looking for they are sufficient on so many levels.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Originally Posted by dannygnenerate View Post

      I would highly advise this, if a person isn't making at least $10,000 per month then don't look their way. Would you go to medical school and learn from a rookie? You'll know for a fact when you talk to someone of the caliber you're looking for they are sufficient on so many levels.
      As strange as it may sound, some people don't want to work as long or as hard as it takes to build a sustainable 5 figure or more per month business.

      Or maybe they have some "head trash" or self-worth issues that tell them they are only capable of reaching $2-3K per month.

      I've had some copywriting students in the past who fell into each of these respective categories. It's one of the reasons why I don't actively advertise my coaching... I want to be able to get a better feel by phone and/or email for how serious someone is before I agree to mentor them.

      If I were personally getting mentored for something like online marketing, then yes, I want to be coached by someone making a lot more money than me each month and they're making it in the specific areas that I'm looking to move my business into.

      My only exception would be getting specialized coaching/mentoring in a new skill like video production or graphic design that I'm going to use in my own businesses. Then I'd be much more concerned about their ability to teach the high-level stuff they know in their area of specialty.
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  • Profile picture of the author cupcakemonster
    Originally Posted by BRETTBrtsk View Post

    Hi everyone,

    I recently thought I had a great mentor and was really excited about being taught and finally having someone who gave a damn if I made money or not, unfortunately this person has disappeared and left my dreams deflated, this is not the first time this has happened and to be honest you get fed up with this type of thing happening.

    I'm not drawing any conclusions why this happened but it is sole destroying, all I want is someone trustworthy who is willing to help me along the path to making some money.
    I have a good job but I work long hours and it does affect my health you can only keep up that pace for so long.

    Who out there can recommend someone trustworthy who is willing to help me, I'm obviously willing to pay but don't want to throw more money down the drain, there must be some good honest people out there

    Brett
    Sorry to get all buddhist proverb on you, but ever heard the saying..."When the student is ready, the teacher will appear?"

    Honestly, the first and most important person who should care that you make money is you. And you can take yourself down the path of making money.

    Yea, it seems nice to have a mentor or coach (I'd like one myself sometime, if the opportunity presents itself) but at the same time, you can learn so much just by checking out forums and websites and seeing what other people who are doing what you're trying to do are doing.

    You don't even have to pay to do that. It's labor-intensive research but it doesn't cost a dime.

    And you can get pretty far by doing that. By that time, you'll be in a better position to find a mentor since you'll be able to separate the wheat from the chaff based on your experiences and knowledge of IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    Originally Posted by BRETTBrtsk View Post

    Hi everyone,

    I recently thought I had a great mentor and was really excited about being taught and finally having someone who gave a damn if I made money or not, unfortunately this person has disappeared and left my dreams deflated, this is not the first time this has happened and to be honest you get fed up with this type of thing happening.

    I'm not drawing any conclusions why this happened but it is sole destroying, all I want is someone trustworthy who is willing to help me along the path to making some money.
    I have a good job but I work long hours and it does affect my health you can only keep up that pace for so long.

    Who out there can recommend someone trustworthy who is willing to help me, I'm obviously willing to pay but don't want to throw more money down the drain, there must be some good honest people out there

    Brett
    Don't take this the wrong way, but instead of asking for a mentor, have you thought about contacting people who are successful and asking to be an intern for them?

    Instead of looking to take, it's often better to first give something.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    you need a coach for? They are not some money god with a magic money wand."

    Many people use coaching as an excuse to fail. They think "i'll take a shortcut method" hire someone to create my business.

    AINT GOING to happen! let's be real. You do not pay $3k-10K+ and have a $120K+ business handed to you.

    Set up to fail on both sides.

    And why all the "multiple businesses at the same time?" One business. learn it, work it, keep at it. No short cuts. No B*S* Steady and big growth. Silly to be involved in several "businesses at the same time.

    for me 1 business. 5 hours day max...100% on that business. Avoid burnout and avoid the B*S* I see everywhere else. Chasing the latest Clickbank 6 X 15 matrix payout. So sad.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    and does the mentor establish this before taking his high fee?
    What is the key ingredient that sets some apart from others?

    1. Burning Desire
    2. Believing (confidence)
    3. Direction
    4. Focus
    5. Goals (a game plan)
    6. Someone who takes action

    I am sure there are many other things needed. But these are essential for sure.
    Would Rafa Nadal take a week off to mentor some rich fool for $100,000+? (he'd make millions..)

    Those that do......
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Because the honest successful guys are busy in making their own business grow, the shortage of these coaches have given the wrong guys to jump in and make money teaching others useless things that leads nowhere.
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    It's just like anything else in life.

    Some mentors are great, others can be bottom of the barrel low-life attempting to bilk newbies at every turn.

    I'm not sure that I agree with the statement "Those who can't do, teach.", by the way.

    I've seen some great teachers in my day.....some of them who became teachers AFTER years of "do-ing".
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  • Profile picture of the author simonthewebguy
    The sad thing about this thread is all too common in this industry, their are multitudes of orphans who have joined up to be coached ,led , mentored but as soon as cash has changed hands they are dropped or answered I had experience of this too in past and can be infuriating as they pull on some deep ingrained desires and hopes

    then leave you crushed but the key is to dust off and learn that will not happen again to me - you are the driver and "if it is to be its up to me" is a useful mantra to adopt.

    no one is going to work as hard as you to make you a success so learn from others get as much free advice on here listen to those who have done it and model them ,a lot of so called coaches now have seminars every week some hours but no training value is there just upsells towards their product and they really do not tell you any specifics ,

    a few that do give real value are Chris Farrell and Sarah Starr, Kenster,who go into detail of how , why and explain explicitly what to do

    my advice "Tubula Rasa" start with a clean slate
    sit down somewhere quite and a sheet of paper and really write out what you want from this im thing and what you need to learn then ask on here for advice and learn as you go

    good luck in your journey and hang in there unfortunately its become part of the learning curve. there is more wealth of knowledge here at your fingertips in this forum than many courses or mentors out there so use it, just beware of the people promoting the goose that lays the golden eggs, hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
    I've never personally had a mentor, but I wouldn't advise against it.

    My impression of having a mentor is that, if they know what they are doing, they can really help you FOCUS.

    Right now, one of the biggest pitfalls online is that there is just SO MUCH information out there. Literally millions upon millions of pages. Some people know what they are talking about and have true, documented, success.

    Others fake it until they make it.

    I think a good mentor can help wade through all the information, and can be extremely valuable from that perspective.

    With that in mind, free information can be both a blessing and a curse. Of course, sometimes it takes alot of trial and error to figure out which free information is the best, most plausible.

    I do see a mentor as being a way to possibly substantially decrease the learning curve, which, really, can have a huge opportunity cost....especially if you are going years without seeing results.

    You'll find lots of people online who did it both while having a mentor, AND not having a mentor. Not having one isn't necessary a bad thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author nancy5677
    I have to say, coaching is good...to an extent.

    Most of the people professing to be a "coach" don't really have the knowledge to become successful themselves, and that's why they try and scam people into these coaching programs. They take advantage of the newbies.

    They show pictures of themselves standing in front of an expensive house, or an expensive car, on a vacation, etc., and they try to sell you on their fabulous (fake) lifestyle.

    The only real way I've found to actually learn how to do something is to take action, either succeed (or fail) at it, and figure out what worked, and keep tweaking the methods until you're successful.

    There really aren't any shortcuts.

    Don't rely on these so-called "Coaches". The Warrior Forum is a great place to get lots of information on how to become successful in internet marketing.

    Ask lots of questions here on this forum, and you'll get way more (FREE) information than you ever would by hiring some coach that professes to know all of the secrets to the universe.

    Best regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by nancy5677 View Post

      Most of the people professing to be a "coach" don't really have the knowledge to become successful themselves, and that's why they try and scam people into these coaching programs. They take advantage of the newbies.
      These parasites of the industry could be largely exterminated if more people would speak up. Newbies who don't know any better wander into pockets of the internet that are safe havens for these fake gurus and get trapped in their web for months and even years.

      The people who are truly capable of producing good materials get lost in the shuffle of fake guru hype. Most of the time they won't even offer anything for sale at all as a result. That can and will change over time, but people have to speak up.

      And anyone out there who is currently offering material better than the fake gurus who have legions of newbies bowing at their feet, you stand to benefit greatly from a shift in the paradigm. So again, speak up whenever possible.
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