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I know there's people out there, many who use this forum, who have actually figured it out and make a decent income online.

So my question is, why aren't they sharing?

I've bought a lot of training, PLR products, domains, bought hosting and built a blog, created sales funnels, squeeze pages with an autoresponder containing 60 follow up emails all written by me, bought solo ads and paid traffic to build my list, created my own products that have affiliate programs, and bought many other systems that have a lot of potential.. but it always comes down to not having the money to pay for more traffic.. or some of the things I've spent tons of time on don't make me any money at all.

I have a little money come in every now and then, but no monthly recurring income, and not enough to live on.

I just want to make a decent amount of money and figure out what really works, simplify it and share it with others. I want to make money (like everybody else here) and I want to share that knowledge with as many people as possible when I do figure it out.

So I guess my question here is, have you figured it out yet? Do you actually make a decent amount of income with internet marketing? Is it through affiliate marketing, blogging, creating products, using somebody else's system/product/sales funnel? What have you found that WORKS?

I know there's people here who have done it and make a good amount of money. So if you are one of those people, please share it with us.

Like I said, I've tried almost everything and yes I've focused on just a single goal at a time but they never seem to work out as expected. We need something that just works, everybody here does.

Please share your success and help others become successful. Tell us what has worked for you. That's what this forum is for.

Thank you,
Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    I know there's people out there, many who use this forum, who have actually figured it out and make a decent income online.

    So my question is, why aren't they sharing?

    I've bought a lot of training, PLR products, domains, bought hosting and built a blog, created sales funnels, squeeze pages with an autoresponder containing 60 follow up emails all written by me, bought solo ads and paid traffic to build my list, created my own products that have affiliate programs, and bought many other systems that have a lot of potential.. but it always comes down to not having the money to pay for more traffic.. or some of the things I've spent tons of time on don't make me any money at all.

    I have a little money come in every now and then, but no monthly recurring income, and not enough to live on.

    I just want to make a decent amount of money and figure out what really works, simplify it and share it with others. I want to make money (like everybody else here) and I want to share that knowledge with as many people as possible when I do figure it out.

    So I guess my question here is, have you figured it out yet? Do you actually make a decent amount of income with internet marketing? Is it through affiliate marketing, blogging, creating products, using somebody else's system/product/sales funnel? What have you found that WORKS?

    I know there's people here who have done it and make a good amount of money. So if you are one of those people, please share it with us.

    Like I said, I've tried almost everything and yes I've focused on just a single goal at a time but they never seem to work out as expected. We need something that just works, everybody here does.

    Please share your success and help others become successful. Tell us what has worked for you. That's what this forum is for.

    Thank you,
    Mike
    Mike,

    There is no blueprint or holy grail that will give you guaranteed success.

    If you think a WSO can solve your money problems, then you're sadly mistaken.

    That being said, I truly believe that everything you NEED to succeed is available, for FREE, right here in the forum, if you are willing to search for it and if you apply it properly, in a way that suits YOU the best.

    Simply following a model of what someone else did is no way a guarantee for another person's success.

    There is no magic pill or secret code to being successful.

    It comes down to YOU.


    Cheers,

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    • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
      Originally Posted by DTGeorge View Post

      Mike,

      There is no blueprint or holy grail that will give you guaranteed success.

      If you think a WSO can solve your money problems, then you're sadly mistaken.

      That being said, I truly believe that everything you NEED to succeed is available, for FREE, right here in the forum, if you are willing to search for it and if you apply it properly, in a way that suits YOU the best.

      Simply following a model of what someone else did is no way a guarantee for another person's success.

      There is no magic pill or secret code to being successful.

      It comes down to YOU.


      Cheers,

      Daryl
      I know there is no blueprint or holy grail to success. I understand that but my point is that I have been in I.M. for the past 6 years and I'm on the borderline of success but not quite there. I'm making hardly any money with it and I thought my work would have paid off by now.

      I've done plenty of searches on this forum and have learned a lot but it still comes down to having money to invest in setting up an online business.

      I understand the "blueprint" of internet marketing which is basically build a squeeze page giving something of value, send traffic to it and built a list and follow up with leads with either your own product or affiliate products. And although it sounds easy to do, it requires start up money to invest and there are other factors that determine your success, like how good your traffic is and conversion rates , ect.

      You say it comes down to me, but what does that really mean? Because I've been doing this for a while and I have worked my butt off.
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      • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
        Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

        I know there is no blueprint or holy grail to success. I understand that but my point is that I have been in I.M. for the past 6 years and I'm on the borderline of success but not quite there. I'm making hardly any money with it and I thought my work would have paid off by now.

        I've done plenty of searches on this forum and have learned a lot but it still comes down to having money to invest in setting up an online business.

        I understand the "blueprint" of internet marketing which is basically build a squeeze page giving something of value, send traffic to it and built a list and follow up with leads with either your own product or affiliate products. And although it sounds easy to do, it requires start up money to invest and there are other factors that determine your success, like how good your traffic is and conversion rates , ect.

        You say it comes down to me, but what does that really mean? Because I've been doing this for a while and I have worked my butt off.
        I've done plenty of searches on this forum and have learned a lot but it still comes down to having money to invest in setting up an online business.
        No, it doesn't.

        I understand the "blueprint" of internet marketing which is basically build a squeeze page giving something of value, send traffic to it and built a list and follow up with leads with either your own product or affiliate products.
        Wrong.

        The blueprint of internet marketing isn't about squeeze pages or list building.

        It's about having a product that other people want, and then finding ways of offering that product to them.

        The fundamentals of IM are the same as ANY other type of marketing.

        I think your problem is, you're so entrenched on the minor details of "internet marketing" that you're missing the big picture.
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        • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
          Originally Posted by DTGeorge View Post

          No, it doesn't.



          Wrong.

          The blueprint of internet marketing isn't about squeeze pages or list building.

          It's about having a product that other people want, and then finding ways of offering that product to them.

          The fundamentals of IM are the same as ANY other type of marketing.

          I think your problem is, you're so entrenched on the minor details of "internet marketing" that you're missing the big picture.
          Really? I think I understand the big picture as well.

          Determine the problem (aka niche), find people who are looking for a solution to that problem (aka leads) and then present the solution to their problem (the product).

          You're completely right that the fundamentals are the same as running any business. I agree. But how is what you just posted helping me or anybody else on this forum? All you are doing is criticizing my post and telling me that the things I have tried are wrong and that I don't understand the "big picture".

          If I am missing the big picture, please enlighten me.
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          • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
            Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

            Really? I think I understand the big picture as well.

            Determine the problem (aka niche), find people who are looking for a solution to that problem (aka leads) and then present the solution to their problem (the product).

            You're completely right that the fundamentals are the same as running any business. I agree. But how is what you just posted helping me or anybody else on this forum? All you are doing is criticizing my post and telling me that the things I have tried are wrong and that I don't understand the "big picture".

            If I am missing the big picture, please enlighten me.
            I don't mean to be overly critical - I'm sure you're working hard to make money, and it must be frustrating when your efforts aren't producing the amount of money worth your time and effort.

            That being said, I haven't seen you mention the product that you're offering.

            I think a big part of people's failure in the IM world is that they decide to promote a product based solely on market forces of profitability etc.

            Do you love what you're selling? Are you inside the head of your customers?


            You keep talking about the systems and the sales funnels and the PLR products -

            Do you have a passion for what you're promoting? Can you talk all day about it with other people? I'm missing the sense that you do.

            60 follow up emails is great, but if you can't find anyone who WANTS your product then it won't matter much.

            The secret to targeting your traffic (and there are some free traffic methods listed below) is to BE your ideal consumer, hang out where your consumers hang out, and think like they do.


            That being said, that's just my opinion. Again, there is no "secret" technique for building a successful IM business. And again, all the information that you could ever need is right here, free of charge. And further more , I'll stress that even if someone DID give you their "blueprint", then that will NOT mean that you will likewise become successful.

            Success is a path that each individual must forge. You can't be upset that nobody is handing you their secret sauce, because the whole point of success isn't the SUCCESS, it is the PATH and the journey.
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  • Profile picture of the author jungl
    Why aren't they sharing? Because any true goldmine (which I'm assuming is what you're looking for) would get saturated if they were sharing it with the millions of people who view the Warrior Forum every month. If it's not a goldmine, but a profitable business that takes time and effort, you'll find plenty of those examples here.
    Think about it, if you had access to a $2 million dollar goldmine would you run and tell a bunch of strangers online about it just to help people out? If so you're a better man than me (and most of the people around here).
    Good luck,
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    • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
      Originally Posted by jungl View Post

      Why aren't they sharing? Because any true goldmine (which I'm assuming is what you're looking for) would get saturated if they were sharing it with the millions of people who view the Warrior Forum every month. If it's not a goldmine, but a profitable business that takes time and effort, you'll find plenty of those examples here.
      Think about it, if you had access to a $2 million dollar goldmine would you run and tell a bunch of strangers online about it just to help people out? If so you're a better man than me (and most of the people around here).
      Good luck,
      Alex.
      If I found a system or blueprint that made me $2 million, why wouldn't I share it with everyone? In the long run, I would be making money from other people's success anyway. If I found a goldmine or had the start up money to create my own system that others could use, why wouldn't I share that with everybody I could? You say it would cause saturation but that's a limiting mindset, a belief that money is limited and there is not an abundance of money in the world. That's simply not true. There's plenty of money and more than enough to help everybody become wealthy. People are buying things on the internet everyday, especially clickbank products, systems and training that doesn't really help anybody because it is just making money for the product creators and affiliates. We have the knowledge and money to create a system that would help everybody succeed, or at least give training to others on how to do it themselves and create their own systems and succeed.
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      • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
        Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post

        Mike you are making great points for abundance and you started the thread because you are not getting enough of it?

        You sound like you would do great in self improvement niche and I am being serious here. You are motivating and very generous and I think you would do well.

        -Art
        Thank you I appreciate that. But like I said I have the niche, I have the blog, the follow up sequence, the affiliate products and my own products but I need to either make money to buy paid traffic or I need to make my squeeze page and/or blog go viral. What do you suggest I do?
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        • Profile picture of the author Rob Whisonant
          Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

          Thank you I appreciate that. But like I said I have the niche, I have the blog, the follow up sequence, the affiliate products and my own products but I need to either make money to buy paid traffic or I need to make my squeeze page and/or blog go viral. What do you suggest I do?
          So you basically have everything but the money to make money? If that is what I am reading, you are in the position of most startup companies. Here are basically your options.

          1. Take out a business loan. Write up a business plan and pitch it to a bank or investor.
          2. Borrow from family. Show them why your plan is going to make money.
          3. Work a regular job plus a part time job and save up enough money to launch your business.
          4. Pitch the ideas to others that have the money to invest and make them a partner.
          5. Get a credit card and pray your idea does make money before the high interest rate kicks in.
          6. Take tiny baby steps and spend just a little on traffic. Re-invest every penny you make back into more traffic until you start making the amount you are shooting for.
          7. Work your butt off getting traffic using free methods and build your business over a longer period of time.

          I'm sure there are more ways to add to the above list but there is a start.

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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    I know there's people out there, many who use this forum, who have actually figured it out and make a decent income online.

    So my question is, why aren't they sharing?

    I've bought a lot of training, PLR products, domains, bought hosting and built a blog, created sales funnels, squeeze pages with an autoresponder containing 60 follow up emails all written by me, bought solo ads and paid traffic to build my list, created my own products that have affiliate programs, and bought many other systems that have a lot of potential.. but it always comes down to not having the money to pay for more traffic.. or some of the things I've spent tons of time on don't make me any money at all.

    I have a little money come in every now and then, but no monthly recurring income, and not enough to live on.

    I just want to make a decent amount of money and figure out what really works, simplify it and share it with others. I want to make money (like everybody else here) and I want to share that knowledge with as many people as possible when I do figure it out.

    So I guess my question here is, have you figured it out yet? Do you actually make a decent amount of income with internet marketing? Is it through affiliate marketing, blogging, creating products, using somebody else's system/product/sales funnel? What have you found that WORKS?

    I know there's people here who have done it and make a good amount of money. So if you are one of those people, please share it with us.

    Like I said, I've tried almost everything and yes I've focused on just a single goal at a time but they never seem to work out as expected. We need something that just works, everybody here does.

    Please share your success and help others become successful. Tell us what has worked for you. That's what this forum is for.

    Thank you,
    Mike

    And what do you have to offer? For those of us that have figured it out (create a real business) we put a lot of sweat equity in to see results. We had to figure it out so what's wrong with you not wanting to figure it out?

    We didn't get to where we are overnight you know... We didn't just wake up one day and become successful.

    It's a process and unless you go through the process you won't understand the key things that make an online business really work.

    I see you've had some smaller successes and just can't quite get over the hump. Well, you need to test different things to get better results. You're on the right track so now you have to refine your process.

    You are tracking your traffic and split testing your landing pages... right?

    Keep going... try paid traffic (and not just once) but continue to stream paid traffic to your landing pages, find out which one is your control and then try to beat it to increase your results. Become more innovative in your product creation and look for JV partners. (JV partners will be hard to come by without actual stats of your website conversions, etc.)
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    • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
      Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

      And what do you have to offer? For those of us that have figured it out (create a real business) we put a lot of sweat equity in to see results. We had to figure it out so what's wrong with you not wanting to figure it out?

      We didn't get to where we are overnight you know... We didn't just wake up one day and become successful.

      It's a process and unless you go through the process you won't understand the key things that make an online business really work.

      I see you've had some smaller successes and just can't quite get over the hump. Well, you need to test different things to get better results. You're on the right track so now you have to refine your process.

      You are tracking your traffic and split testing your landing pages... right?

      Keep going... try paid traffic (and not just once) but continue to stream paid traffic to your landing pages, find out which one is your control and then try to beat it to increase your results. Become more innovative in your product creation and look for JV partners. (JV partners will be hard to come by without actual stats of your website conversions, etc.)
      Yes I'm tracking everything, yes I've tried paid traffic. I currently have a list of about 8k in the self improvement niche but I don't want to ruin my relationship with them so I send them a weekly follow up which is either a link to my blog, a free ebook or a product through my affiliate link but I don't want to blast them with sales emails or affiliate links, so it's just a matter of waiting for my autoresponder to build the relationship and do the selling which takes time.

      What you said about getting affiliates and jv partners is kind of like applying for a job without any job experience. How are you supposed to do it without lying? I know for some people that works (all those clickbank products with the fake income stats and whatnot) but I'm not that kind of person.

      I'm not giving up, I'm going to keep trying until this works and then I'm going to share my success with others and help them do the same. But I figured I would ask for some advice here on how to speed things up.

      I understand you don't want to share your "secrets" because you put the hard work into it all, you went through the trial and error and you've probably spent a lot of money as well. But if you have figured it out, why not help others figure it out? It's good karma you know
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
        Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

        What you said about getting affiliates and jv partners is kind of like applying for a job without any job experience. How are you supposed to do it without lying? I know for some people that works (all those clickbank products with the fake income stats and whatnot) but I'm not that kind of person.
        You DON'T lie... You send traffic to test your pages and get your numbers, hello! JV partners look at CPC; EPC; and refund rate. You can get that from paid traffic.

        When you say you've tried paid traffic that tells me you don't do it anymore. It isn't something you try, it's something you include in your regular marketing strategy. It's all about continuous testing to get improved results.

        And, as far as your list goes, you have the wrong approach. First, you need a strategy where you are adding subscribers to your list everyday. Then you need to actually market to them because right now you are conditioning them that all you do is give away free stuff. Sure, you'll have people unsubscribe but you'll be making more money... don't be afraid to build a business. You need to market to your list, give them value and make more money. You're too concerned with being friends with everyone on your list. Remember, it's a business so treat them right, yes but you also need to make them understand that you are in business to make money.

        The one's who like your stuff but also want to learn, will buy your stuff. Everyone else you should be wishing they unsubscribe from you. The number of subscribers doesn't mean jack if no one buys.
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        • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
          Originally Posted by Mike Hill View Post

          You DON'T lie... You send traffic to test your pages and get your numbers, hello! JV partners look at CPC; EPC; and refund rate. You can get that from paid traffic.

          When you say you've tried paid traffic that tells me you don't do it anymore. It isn't something you try, it's something you include in your regular marketing strategy. It's all about continuous testing to get improved results.

          And, as far as your list goes, you have the wrong approach. First, you need a strategy where you are adding subscribers to your list everyday. Then you need to actually market to them because right now you are conditioning them that all you do is give away free stuff. Sure, you'll have people unsubscribe but you'll be making more money... don't be afraid to build a business. You need to market to your list, give them value and make more money. You're too concerned with being friends with everyone on your list. Remember, it's a business so treat them right, yes but you also need to make them understand that you are in business to make money.

          The one's who like your stuff but also want to learn, will buy your stuff. Everyone else you should be wishing they unsubscribe from you. The number of subscribers doesn't mean jack if no one buys.
          I still do paid traffic and solo ads but I don't have the money to invest in paid traffic right now. If I had the money, I would be buying a ton of traffic and sending it to my squeeze pages.

          You make a good point about conditioning them by giving free stuff, but I have many products in those follow ups as well. The way I have it set up, I link to my blog one week, give something for free (like an ebook) the next week and then tell them about a product (with my affiliate link) the next week. Some of the free ebooks require a "like" or "share" to download it, which is to help my squeeze page and blog go viral through social networks.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Hill
            Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

            I still do paid traffic and solo ads but I don't have the money to invest in paid traffic right now. If I had the money, I would be buying a ton of traffic and sending it to my squeeze pages.

            You make a good point about conditioning them by giving free stuff, but I have many products in those follow ups as well. The way I have it set up, I link to my blog one week, give something for free (like an ebook) the next week and then tell them about a product (with my affiliate link) the next week. Some of the free ebooks require a "like" or "share" to download it, which is to help my squeeze page and blog go viral through social networks.

            When you have such a strict schedule of events (when you send free stuff v.s. when you send promotions) you are most likely going to be ignored by a lot of your subscribers because people don't want information just for the sake of getting free information, the internet is already full of that.

            What people want is VALUE... so, I only send them value when I have exciting information to share that will actually have them sit back after they read it and catch their breath. The type of information that is so valuable they instantly "get it" the light bulb goes on and they can't wait to put it into action.

            Sure, I have a few set emails in place but for the most part I share information when I actually have something to share. Whether it's a free set of tips OR a paid product I think has a lot of value they can understand and implement right away.

            Don't forget to be yourself in the emails and have fun with it... Not everyone is going to like you or your emails so just focus on those that do listen and thank God everyone else unsubscribed.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    There are a few people in the WSO area sharing what they know
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    • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
      Originally Posted by goindeep View Post

      There are a few people in the WSO area sharing what they know
      I've bought many WSOs and tried many systems, trust me. Some of them are great ideas and systems but they still require money in the long run. Even if you find something that converts really well, you have to buy good traffic which isn't usually cheap.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    people don't mind sharing a MLM though lol earn from all of them!!
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    Look at sources like venturebeat or the INC5000 fastest growing list for businesses that are getting it done.

    WSO's can be some good tools and ideas. But a truck full of great tools won't get the house built.

    Swing that hammer man!
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I put out diamonds in the rough all the time, I use them up first but I put them out when they don't produce like they used too.

    If somebody has a system that makes them 10 k a month, and they post there system here.

    One everyone here would copy and do it and alot would sell the system, so not only do we saturate the market with this forum but the whole internet.

    Now you can find your own system, use those wso's as a guide and test, and test and test till you see something that works. Stay with one program when you make money from it then move on or expand on that one thing you did and make it greater.

    Very few of us, including me has ever just had someone hand us a money making machine or a button we push and walla were rich. We all started from scratch and found our own place here and the large majority of us were just like you, we turned and twisted our necks to see what everyone else was selling and flipping from program to program.

    When we finally learned to focus and stick to one thing and do split testing and track clicks ect, then we started realizing a profit.

    Sad that 98 percent of the people can't go the distant and get that far.
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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    Instead of focusing on just paid traffic, master your skill at a few free traffic methods. One for example is forum marketing.

    There are some people getting 10,000 + visitors a month to their website with just forums. All they do is create an article or video, post it in forums, and continue to do this each day.

    Some other free methods are...

    - Blog commenting
    - Guest posting
    - Writing articles
    - SEO
    - Creating newsletters
    - Social Bookmarking
    - Blogging
    - Social Media

    If you got good at just a few, say YouTube, and article marketing -- you could be bringing in thousands of visitor a month easily.

    As to your follow up messages -- As Mike said above me you want to provide your prospects with MASSIVE value with some entertainment thrown in there.

    People only buy from people they know, like, and trust -- so add your personality into your emails and give them some great value. The best is where you show actual proof and results, and something they can take action on immediately.

    Making money online is not complicated -- but does require work and contestant effort to become successful. Just like anything worth getting in life.

    Hope this helps you
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  • Profile picture of the author cupcakemonster
    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    I know there's people out there, many who use this forum, who have actually figured it out and make a decent income online.

    So my question is, why aren't they sharing?

    I've bought a lot of training, PLR products, domains, bought hosting and built a blog, created sales funnels, squeeze pages with an autoresponder containing 60 follow up emails all written by me, bought solo ads and paid traffic to build my list, created my own products that have affiliate programs, and bought many other systems that have a lot of potential.. but it always comes down to not having the money to pay for more traffic.. or some of the things I've spent tons of time on don't make me any money at all.

    I have a little money come in every now and then, but no monthly recurring income, and not enough to live on.

    I just want to make a decent amount of money and figure out what really works, simplify it and share it with others. I want to make money (like everybody else here) and I want to share that knowledge with as many people as possible when I do figure it out.

    So I guess my question here is, have you figured it out yet? Do you actually make a decent amount of income with internet marketing? Is it through affiliate marketing, blogging, creating products, using somebody else's system/product/sales funnel? What have you found that WORKS?

    I know there's people here who have done it and make a good amount of money. So if you are one of those people, please share it with us.

    Like I said, I've tried almost everything and yes I've focused on just a single goal at a time but they never seem to work out as expected. We need something that just works, everybody here does.

    Please share your success and help others become successful. Tell us what has worked for you. That's what this forum is for.

    Thank you,
    Mike
    Mike - people do share. A LOT. The thing is that...there is no real blueprint to IM success (or anything, for that matter). Every IM-er on this forum has different opinions on what works and what doesn't because different things have worked for different people.

    The trick is figuring out for yourself what works for you. No one can really lay it out for you. There is general advice, of course, but you have to figure out the nitty gritty for yourself - not because people don't want to share, but because what they have to share will not be as relevant for you as you figuring it out yourself.

    I've learned a lot on this forum by doing my own thing and then consulting it for specific advice (most of which is as varied as the people on this forum) when I need it.

    The most important thing is that you do your own thing. Figure out what works and doesn't work for you. And keep on plodding on. Persistence pays in IM.
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  • Profile picture of the author XenG
    I think people here had been sharing their own tastes of successes. People do share how they've done it and all, although it's not really with full details how they do it. I don't know but I think that's unnecessary. We all have our secrets to success. If that is the one that is fueling the success, I bet no one would like to put that out straight to the public.

    There are people here who ask about getting online profits, or how to get a job online, or how to earn money online. Fellow members can only direct to sites they can check and apply. The rest is up to you. You know. I hope this makes sense.
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    I know there's people out there, many who use this forum, who have actually figured it out and make a decent income online.

    So my question is, why aren't they sharing?
    I am genuinely amazed at your question. Perhaps you haven't been around here for long enough to realise that some people here are very generous with what they are prepared to share. I won't name any names because I would be sure to miss some people, but really, it is very easy to discern who is walking their talk. When you find such people, use the search facility and read all of their posts - you will find a goldmine of information here - free - right under your nose.

    Will
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Yes I'm tracking everything, yes I've tried paid traffic. I currently have a list of about 8k in the self improvement niche but I don't want to ruin my relationship with them so I send them a weekly follow up which is either a link to my blog, a free ebook or a product through my affiliate link but I don't want to blast them with sales emails or affiliate links, so it's just a matter of waiting for my autoresponder to build the relationship and do the selling which takes time.
    And you're aspiring to be a professional salesman, yeah? Maybe try to sell and see where that takes you?
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    Can't we all just work together?
    Translates to, I don't want to do the hard work those who are successful have already done. I just want to be shown the easy route.

    Not going to happen.

    Those who are successful have (in most cases) worked very hard to get there. So why on earth would they want to just give it away to people who don't want to do the hard work themselves?

    Some will want to help others but they will charge good money for you to learn from them and rightly so.
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    • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      Translates to, I don't want to do the hard work those who are successful have already done. I just want to be shown the easy route.

      Not going to happen.

      Those who are successful have (in most cases) worked very hard to get there. So why on earth would they want to just give it away to people who don't want to do the hard work themselves?

      Some will want to help others but they will charge good money for you to learn from them and rightly so.
      Maybe you didn't read that I have been doing the hard work for over 6 years now, as well as bought the training and all of that.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    There are a lot of people who answer newbie questions and give out tons of valuable info on this forum every day.

    What you're looking for is a blueprint ... everyone just to lay out their blueprints for you to follow. There are many different ways that people on this forum make money and most of them are discussed in detail in the subforums.

    You are actually going to have to do the work yourself, find the info, make your own plan and implement it. Not everyone is going to succeed in this business. Those who can't or won't learn and those who can't take the information here and implement it, probably are among those who aren't going to make it.

    This is a business/marketing forum. Not a commune.
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  • Profile picture of the author dmaster555
    Why aren't they sharing?

    People are sharing PLENTY.

    I've learned so much just quietly browsing threads and I have never bought a WSO from any forum. If you've been searching hard enough, you would certainly find the answer to any of your problems.

    You can learn so much not by looking for the WSO, or even the "here's my method" threads. I actually learn most from threads where knowledgeable members are arguing with each other. Terms pop up, they reference people and say certain things that lead me to say "hmm, let me google this. what are they talking about?" one thing leads to another and a month later you've learned 100 different things.

    But the best way to learn is to just TRY. And when you've come across a problem, google that shit for hours and TRY until you've finally solved it. I'm telling you this from personal experience.

    The beauty of this thing is, you're not the first person trying to do internet marketing. This means any question you have, I guarantee it has been answered or someone can easily provide you the answer. Once you know the basics, all you need is a little creativity and hard work.

    I'll give you a simple method that I first started off with:

    Join a PPD network
    Find a niche (something people want)
    Make a landing page offering that thing (or buy one)
    Make a nice youtube video(or buy one on a site like fiverr.com), SEO it and pay 10 bucks for high quality boost views and rank
    In that video, send them to your landing page
    Make them complete a survey before getting it using the PPD content locker
    Eventually, learn to rank that page on google search for better earnings

    I made hundreds and overtime, thousands with this method and I had no previous knowledge of anything. Just the ability to research until I succeeded.

    From doing this simple method, this is what I learned in the process by myself using google as "problems got in the way":

    How to find a niche
    How to make a good landing page with no knowledge of coding, and how to make it convert well
    What is SEO, and how is it done
    How do I find a good service provider
    How I set up a content locker with no knowledge of coding
    How to use social media like facebook/twitter to market
    How to try and avoid google penalties

    Now everything I learned is transferable to other areas that I choose to venture to and it's a little easier. You may even along the way find "your" thing. Something you had no idea you'd be great at.



    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    I've focused on just a single goal at a time but they never seem to work out as expected. We need something that just works, everybody here does.
    Nothing "just works". Because you aren't willing to work hard/smart enough to make it work. That's just the vibe I get off of you.

    This sounds corny, but if your heart isn't in it, you ain't gonna make it. You will miss the very simple things because you're in a rush.
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    • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
      Originally Posted by dmaster555 View Post

      Why aren't they sharing?

      People are sharing PLENTY.

      I've learned so much just quietly browsing threads and I have never bought a WSO from any forum. If you've been searching hard enough, you would certainly find the answer to any of your problems.

      You can learn so much not by looking for the WSO, or even the "here's my method" threads. I actually learn most from threads where knowledgeable members are arguing with each other. Terms pop up, they reference people and say certain things that lead me to say "hmm, let me google this. what are they talking about?" one thing leads to another and a month later you've learned 100 different things.

      But the best way to learn is to just TRY. And when you've come across a problem, google that shit for hours and TRY until you've finally solved it. I'm telling you this from personal experience.

      The beauty of this thing is, you're not the first person trying to do internet marketing. This means any question you have, I guarantee it has been answered or someone can easily provide you the answer. Once you know the basics, all you need is a little creativity and hard work.

      I'll give you a simple method that I first started off with:

      Join a PPD network
      Find a niche (something people want)
      Make a landing page offering that thing (or buy one)
      Make a nice youtube video(or buy one on a site like fiverr.com), SEO it and pay 10 bucks for high quality boost views and rank
      In that video, send them to your landing page
      Make them complete a survey before getting it using the PPD content locker
      Eventually, learn to rank that page on google search for better earnings

      I made hundreds and overtime, thousands with this method and I had no previous knowledge of anything. Just the ability to research until I succeeded.

      From doing this simple method, this is what I learned in the process by myself using google as "problems got in the way":

      How to find a niche
      How to make a good landing page with no knowledge of coding, and how to make it convert well
      What is SEO, and how is it done
      How do I find a good service provider
      How I set up a content locker with no knowledge of coding
      How to use social media like facebook/twitter to market
      How to try and avoid google penalties

      Now everything I learned is transferable to other areas that I choose to venture to and it's a little easier. You may even along the way find "your" thing. Something you had no idea you'd be great at.





      Nothing "just works". Because you aren't willing to work hard/smart enough to make it work. That's just the vibe I get off of you.

      This sounds corny, but if your heart isn't in it, you ain't gonna make it. You will miss the very simple things because you're in a rush.
      My heart IS in it, and like I said, when I get it all to finally work I plan to share it with everybody I can. I AM willing to work hard and I HAVE been, but at this point I'm just exhausted of trying everything I can.
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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

        My heart IS in it, and like I said, when I get it all to finally work I plan to share it with everybody I can. I AM willing to work hard and I HAVE been, but at this point I'm just exhausted of trying everything I can.
        Stop trying everything and focus on one thing at a time

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        • Profile picture of the author TheFury
          I haven't been successful yet (though I just started) in my latest venture and the last time I did internet marketing (somewhat successfully via content sites) was 1999, but looking at the majority of posts here I would say people are too focused on the small picture, trying to make $100 quickly versus thinking about how to build an actual business that will make a lot of money.
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          • Profile picture of the author dad2four
            Originally Posted by TheFury View Post

            I haven't been successful yet (though I just started) in my latest venture and the last time I did internet marketing (somewhat successfully via content sites) was 1999, but looking at the majority of posts here I would say people are too focused on the small picture, trying to make $100 quickly versus thinking about how to build an actual business that will make a lot of money.
            I'm in agreement.

            I have not "made it" either so take what I say with a grain of salt. But I sure spend alot of time thinking about all this here IM stuff.

            Here are a few of my beliefs.

            1. Your product is the largest contributor to wether you will succeed or fail.

            2. Your knowledge level in the niche that contains your product is the number two success/fail contributor.

            3. A close third is the amount of action you take to market and sell your product.

            4. Although your marketting process is important, I believe that if your product and knowledge are lacking, all the marketing techniques in the world won't help you. Conversely, you could be the king of marketing, but if your product is sub-par or a scam of any kind, in other words, wrong, you will fail.

            A basic rule in business is that you don't divulge what makes you money in any way.

            It's a human instinct to want to pass on knowledge and help others achieve their goals.

            So most walk a line between helping, and giving away the gold.

            I for one have a great deal of appreciate for everyone that shares anything that helps bring them success.

            I firmly believe that all of the pieces to the puzzle are here on the Warrior Forum. I just believe it's your job to select the legit pieces and assemble them in a way that works for you.

            Part of that process is trial and error, testing, tuning and I believe that's a never ending process.

            All business works that way.

            Look at GoDaddy. The sell domains right? Well guess what, they expaneded and also sell hosting, email, traffic, etc. And they are constantly tweaking what they offer, and how they offer it to maximize their efforts.

            Take 7-11 as an example. Slurpees sell and you will always find slurpees for sale. Until energy drinks came a long they had none. Now they do, and when Shaq's new soda came out, they threw it on the shelf. If it sells, it will stick around, if not it will be replaced by something that does.

            That's where I believe you are OP. I believe you have some stuff that's working, it's just a matter of testing and tuning what you have.

            Never lose site of your success. I think sometimes once we achieve success it becomes our norm and we forget that we figured that out. It sounds like you have success, you just need to look at what's working and do more of that. Then look at what's not working, and do less of that. Maybe you need to apply the 80/20 rule to your biz.

            Thanks for the post. There has been some incredibly valuable info that has been revealed in this discussion. Personally I hope it continues.

            Good Luck and keep on truckin.
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            • Profile picture of the author gwpmike
              Thank you to everybody who posted. A lot of your comments helped a lot.

              I realize that there is no "blueprint" to success, because there are so many different variables and factors that go into determining if somebody succeeds in Internet Marketing.

              Something that many of you mentioned was that a person has to keep trying until they make it, and true success comes from a lot of trial and error, and usually a lot of mistakes will be made in the process but that's how we learn that works.

              So here's my plan. I'm going to keep trying. I am going to try to optimize my copy and content, I am going to focus on 2 free traffic methods (YouTube and Forum Marketing) to drive targeted traffic to my squeeze page which will then redirect to an OTO. Once I have a few sales roll in, I will invest that money in some solo ads and once I have a decent sized list I will do some ad swaps to grow my list and sales even more.

              I am going to make sure the content and the product I offer give real value to people and actually help people. I am going to focus more on simply giving people what they are looking for, rather than being focused solely on making money.
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              • Profile picture of the author DTGeorge
                Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

                Thank you to everybody who posted. A lot of your comments helped a lot.

                I realize that there is no "blueprint" to success, because there are so many different variables and factors that go into determining if somebody succeeds in Internet Marketing.

                Something that many of you mentioned was that a person has to keep trying until they make it, and true success comes from a lot of trial and error, and usually a lot of mistakes will be made in the process but that's how we learn that works.

                So here's my plan. I'm going to keep trying. I am going to try to optimize my copy and content, I am going to focus on 2 free traffic methods (YouTube and Forum Marketing) to drive targeted traffic to my squeeze page which will then redirect to an OTO. Once I have a few sales roll in, I will invest that money in some solo ads and once I have a decent sized list I will do some ad swaps to grow my list and sales even more.

                I am going to make sure the content and the product I offer give real value to people and actually help people. I am going to focus more on simply giving people what they are looking for, rather than being focused solely on making money.

                I think this is particularly useful in your circumstances:

                6. Be sure you've picked a good niche and monetization strategy. When business owners have worked long and hard at something and are totally without answers as to why they can't gain traction, often the answer lies in the fact that they're fishing in a lake that is devoid of fish. It happens all the time. Many entrepreneurs overlook this basic step in online business. Check the niche for hungry, money-laden buyers. Check your product or service and make sure it is in demand. Check your offer, sales page, and copy for it's relevance, appeal, and exceptional value. If it lacks any of these three characteristics you will only be minimally successful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    I understand you don't want to share your "secrets" because you put the hard work into it all, you went through the trial and error and you've probably spent a lot of money as well. But if you have figured it out, why not help others figure it out? It's good karma you know
    Many of us have, sometimes people don't want to listen (as is their right, but it's also my right on how I choose to spend my time and with whom).

    I wanted to address this because it illustrates a very important point and the perception some people have of marketers who have already figured it out. For the sake of this point, let's leave out all the sleazey ones that we know exist. I want to focus on the good people who DO exist in this forum (as well as many others).

    First off, there are a lot of things that go on behind the scenes in Skype chats, private forums, PMs, e-mails, etc. that you'll never see here in this public forum. I've seen a lot of people get help from other members that way because I've been part of that process. There used to be a time when I first joined here where I would take newbies under my wing and mentor them. Some of them have gone off to become very successful entrepreneurs.

    And I did it all for free.

    However, that was the small minority. The majority of the people were looking for something easy and weren't really willing to do the hard work necessary to build the foundation of a real online business. Now part of that was my fault for having no screening process whatsoever and not managing expectations, which then turned into an inadequate screening process and it created some misunderstandings.

    I've learned that if people don't have something invested they generally won't take any mentoring or coaching seriously. I'm not going to get into the details of how much grief I went through trying to help people back then, but suffice to say not everyone was ready to be coached. I completely understand why people charge for their coaching advice now. The more successful (and busy) they are, the more charge.

    I have my own projects and a staff to manage. I also come from a large family and enjoy spending much of my free time with them as well as my circle of friends. I have a lot of interests and hobbie that also keep me very busy, so I'm very selective on who I pick to work with, especially a stranger who is coming to me for advice.

    I give out some general advice here and there in this forum and occasionally I will talk to someone offline via a Skype chat or send them a word of encouragement. Sometimes that's the best I can offer at that time.

    So for many of us who have "already made it", it's not always as simple as we don't want to help or share, sometimes it's as simple as we don't know who you are, we don't know how serious and motivated you are, and sometimes we simply have other priorities at the moment.

    Let me give you one example of what I'm talking about.

    I do a lot of testing and some of my tests last for months. I have one particular test that's lasted over a year and I was able to discover a very killer system for making consistent income. This one particular test took thousands of dollars and many, many hours to figure out. To be frank, I'm not going to share that kind of information with just anybody.

    I see people helping others all the time, sometimes the other party isn't always receptive to it.

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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      gwpmike,

      It seems to me that you a searching for the pie in sky answer and there just isn't one.

      The most important factor in the equation of success is the person working towards it and experiencing it.

      Many, and I mean many highly successful people in and outside of the IM business, but business just the same, hold seminars, write books, and do interviews.

      If it were just the blue print alone, don't you think that everyone who attended, read and watched, would be just as successful? But that isn't the case, is it? Different people have different talents, areas of expertise, personalities, work ethics, tenacity, and yes even luck such as being in the right place at the right time.

      You are the secret ingredient in the recipe for success. Plain and simple.

      As far as people not working together and sharing information here in the forum? Huh? I haven't found that to be true at all. But then again, if you were looking for the pie in the sky blueprint to make every single IMer successful, then I can see how you would say that. It isn't here. It doesn't exist.

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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    The only way you get what you want, is first, helping enough other people get what they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author gcgipson
    "So my question is, why aren't they sharing?"

    It's just like a gold miner or a fisherman. Once someone discovers a money making resource they don't want the competition to come and suck everything dry. This is just the basics of business and there's nothing wrong with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    I know there's people out there, many who use this forum, who have actually figured it out and make a decent income online. So my question is, why aren't they sharing? Mike

    Mike,

    Here are my suggestions. It's obvious you're a straight talker so I'm going to respond in a way that I think you will understand.

    I'm going to be blunt and straightforward. Stop reading my post right now if you don't want to hear the truth.

    1. Open your eyes. Be more observant. Learn how to take the advice that's being given here and apply it to your own situation and business.

    You know, I see successful people sharing their ideas, thoughts, strategies, business models, and blueprints every day of the week right here on the Warrior Forum. Could it be that you aren't paying attention to the right things? Could it be that the answers you want are right under your nose but you fail to observe and are looking for, and expecting, a silver platter be handed to you?

    2. You are getting hung up on the money aspect of creating a business when in reality, it's not about the money at all.

    There is solid enough information right here for anyone to study, learn, practice, and develop a profitable business. Money isn't the key and if you continue believing that money is what's keeping you from success, then you will continue to struggle. Certainly there are some basic items that money will buy you (hosting, domain name, yada, yada) but it is not what separates the successful business owners apart from the rest.

    3. You are the business. Your success or failure is solely the result what you think, plan, and do.

    Don't blame your lack of success on the fact that others aren't sharing how they have succeeded. Don't blame it on not having money for paid advertising or anything else. Step up and be 100% accountable for your success or failure with Internet business. Once you develop this mindset, your will cherish every little bit of help you get from others - without this mindset, you will always wonder why no one is willing to help you.

    4. Realize that creating a profitable business and a full time income is not an easy task. It takes some creativity, often a lot of trial and error, usually changes and modifications to your original idea, and most often significant time. There are "fail points" all along the way. I've observed a lot of start up businesses and I can tell you with total confidence that only the strong survive. Very, very rarely does it happen that an entrepreneur, right out of the gate, experiences success. Those that refuse to give up, are observant and adaptable, and work around obstacles are the ones that eventually create profitable businesses.

    5. Get rid of the chip on your shoulder. Successful business people owe you nothing. Having experienced a lot of newbies coming to the forum and demanding help, it's easy to see which ones have a chance for success and which ones will be gone quickly. I applaud your past efforts. It's admirable that you are not a whining and that you've lasted all these years and are still working on your business. But I sense a frustration and a burr under your saddle that is not conducive to endearing those who can help you. Try a little harder to be more observant than demanding.

    6. Be sure you've picked a good niche and monetization strategy. When business owners have worked long and hard at something and are totally without answers as to why they can't gain traction, often the answer lies in the fact that they're fishing in a lake that is devoid of fish. It happens all the time. Many entrepreneurs overlook this basic step in online business. Check the niche for hungry, money-laden buyers. Check your product or service and make sure it is in demand. Check your offer, sales page, and copy for it's relevance, appeal, and exceptional value. If it lacks any of these three characteristics you will only be minimally successful.

    I'll stop there. This post has enough to get you headed in the right direction if you'll accept a little constructive criticism.

    Honestly, I hope you have all the success in the world.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

    So I guess my question here is, have you figured it out yet? Do you actually make a decent amount of income with internet marketing? Is it through affiliate marketing, blogging, creating products, using somebody else's system/product/sales funnel? What have you found that WORKS?
    What's there to figure out? All of those things you mentioned work and you can make plenty of money with them. What's more, all the information required to make money with those methods can easily be found online.

    Naturally there is information which is more specific, such as particular traffic sources, but such information, while helpful, is not required to build a business. You can build a successful business by using "common methods" if you're serious.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    The basic information and methods to make money online are out there. Its not everyone that is comfortable revealing their technique.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by gwpmike View Post

      So here's my plan. I'm going to keep trying. I am going to try to optimize my copy and content, I am going to focus on 2 free traffic methods (YouTube and Forum Marketing) to drive targeted traffic to my squeeze page which will then redirect to an OTO. Once I have a few sales roll in, I will invest that money in some solo ads and once I have a decent sized list I will do some ad swaps to grow my list and sales even more.

      I am going to make sure the content and the product I offer give real value to people and actually help people. I am going to focus more on simply giving people what they are looking for, rather than being focused solely on making money.
      If you do that, some of what you try won't work. Some will. Either way, try to figure out WHY.

      If you are doing the work, and you are following a proven method, and things aren't working, the odds are good one (or more) of three things is happening:

      > You are offering the wrong thing.

      > You are offering it in the wrong way.

      > You are offering it to the wrong people. This includes the right people at the wrong time. For example, if I were to offer you paid traffic, you might be the right person but now is the wrong time.
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