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15 years ago

Almin,

As I explained to you in the forum already, replying to your PM, John personally worked with Aweber to develop an API specifically for Fantasos, to run by the rules of Aweber. Thus, that makes Fantasos an approved script and process to work with Aweber.

That is why you've been able to do so, adding suscribers through Fantasos, whitout problems. Now it is said publicly, so you you can believe it

It's as simple as that.

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Alminc 15 years ago

Hi Andre,

I believed you 100% even before you answered this post.
Thank you very much, you are da man .
And Fantasos is the best marketing software in the universe.

As you know, I am actually trying to find out if one other script,
not fantasos, is compliant with aweber.
I am now talking to aweber staff and they are checking if
that script is approved by them, as stated by it's owner.

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Terry Crim

15 years ago

Any script that passes the subscribers IP address to aweber or getresponse and NOT the server or website IP address then you are good to go. You will need to contact the owner of the 3rd party script to verify with them if it is the subscriber IP or the website IP that is passed.

If it is the website IP then it is not compliant with TOS of GR or Aweber.

Simple Member Pro by Johnny Slater is compliant with both GR and Aweber TOS so no fear for those using that script in regards to Aweber or Get Response Terms Of Service Compliance.

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Josh Anderson 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Terry Crim

If it is the website IP then it is not compliant with TOS of GR or Aweber.

That is not exactly true.

If you look in the email parser list in your account at Aweber.com you will see we have four of our ecommerce and business automation systems listed under the "membership sites and podcasting tools" section including:

Nanacast.com
Mixiv.com
Premiumcast.com
Payq.com

These are our Aweber integrated ecommerce services all of which are hosted solutions.

That means that submissions originate from the IP address of our hosted solutions. Aweber actually verifies its our hosted platforms making the submission.

Unless Aweber has changed their policies then only the Fantasos service John himself hosts would be allowed integration and only if Aweber specifically made an email parser for it as they have for our sites.

This is exactly how he is doing it because this is the rule in the Fantasos parser at aweber:

Received:\s+from\s+\w+\.use-sell.com\s+

Notice that the submissions are all processed from .use-sell.com. That means that John would have to either be processing the transactions for you at .use-sell.com or relaying then through use-sell.com

Third party scripts are not allowed to submit subscribers to aweber:

Can I Submit Subscribers to AWeber via Another Script? :: AWeber Knowledge Base

So in other words if someone is selling a script to their customers which their customers then install on their own server...

That is not allowed according to the link above from the Aweber knowledgebase.

Here are alternative ways it is possible and allowable that they have published that applies to the subject:

http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/...nk+You+Page%3F
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Bright Wings

15 years ago

What has been your experience working with aweber on that? Reason I ask, I have lists of opted in subscribers in my shopping cart + a newsletter service and I'd really love to move them if aweber would allow it. How did you go about the inquiry process, and what can you recommend for someone in my position?

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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Bright Wings

What has been your experience working with aweber on that? Reason I ask, I have lists of opted in subscribers in my shopping cart + a newsletter service and I'd really love to move them if aweber would allow it. How did you go about the inquiry process, and what can you recommend for someone in my position?

Nancy, we are not really talking about the same subject. We are talking about script integration but you are asking about just moving your list to a new service such as Aweber.

You can import your subscribers to your Aweber account though through their import option. They would just have to confirm the optin. Its quite easy to do and the option is found in your Aweber account.

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John Delavera

15 years ago

Josh is partly right.

All customers that use a hosted account at use-sell.com can integrate their
Fantasos with Aweber: they have to do NOTHING at all though, because we
have already created what it is needed working with Aweber. That applies
of course to all PL versions of Aweber too, thus customers with hosted accounts
at use-sell.com can also use for example AWeber

Now...

Getting an email parser from Aweber is NOT a rocket science.
Neither is it the greatest achievement of your life.

Just contact Aweber and tell them you need a similar
Fantasos parser with the one created for use-sell.com

It's easy once you follow their instructions.

FYI

John

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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

Now...

Getting an email parser from Aweber is NOT a rocket science.
Neither is it the greatest achievement of your life.

Just contact Aweber and tell them you need a similar
Fantasos parser with the one created for use-sell.com

It's easy once you follow their instructions.

FYI

John

They specifically say no to scripts here:

See: Can I Submit Subscribers to AWeber via Another Script? :: AWeber Knowledge Base

They do not create parsers for everyone who requests it. In other words if you are just running a script on your server and ask them they are not going to do that (see above).

Email parsers are for shoppingcart and payment processor services that are used by lots of aweber users. That is why if you look at the Fantasos parser you see that incoming emails are routed through use-sell.com

So NO do not ask them to make you a parser if you are hosting your own script. They are very clear on that question. They do allow you to contact them about integration of various payment processors and shoppingcart services but they do not make any promises that they will add your preferred solution:

http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/...mail+Parser%3F

Josh is partly right.

What was I not right about?

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John Delavera

15 years ago

Josh you are partly right because the way you present the case
a wrong *impression* is given to people:

Yes Aweber does not allow ALL scripts to get integrated with their
system, and get an email parser. That's the correct part.

The incorrect part is that Fantasos (and now Delavo) is not just
a script. First we have STUDIED the requirements set by Aweber
and complied to all of them. Second, it is a "script" that allows
ANYONE to create SYSTEMS online, like the ones you mentioned.
No other "script" on the Net offers such functionality. Third, you
give the impression that getting an email parser through Aweber
is like the 8th wonder of the world. That is not the case.

The case is that Aweber will need first to check your SYSTEM
and sees how email headers are dealt with, and various other
technical details. If the SYSTEM you have complies to their
rules then you get the email parser. That's it. No need to debate
on that, that's how it works.

And YES you are right: NOT EVERYONE that has a SYSTEM in place
like Fantasos (or Delavo) WILL get approved by Aweber and/or will
get an email parser. Aweber is a BUSINESS so they cannot just issue
an email parser for ALL Fantasos owners anyway. They need to
evaluate your business and then decide. An example: If you have
a list of say 3,000 (just a number) Fantasos hosted accounts then
chances are you are a customer they must serve. While Aweber can
ignore the request when they are to serve YOU as the sole user of
your own Fantasos system, they MUST consider it otherwise when
3,000 people want to be served EQUALLY by Aweber too.

That's the reality.

John

Originally Posted by Josh Anderson

They specifically say no to scripts here:

See: Can I Submit Subscribers to AWeber via Another Script? :: AWeber Knowledge Base

They do not create parsers for everyone who requests it. In other words if you are just running a script on your server and ask them they are not going to do that (see above).

Email parsers are for shoppingcart and payment processor services that are used by lots of aweber users. That is why if you look at the Fantasos parser you see that incoming emails are routed through use-sell.com

So NO do not ask them to make you a parser if you are hosting your own script. They are very clear on that question. They do allow you to contact them about integration of various payment processors and shoppingcart services but they do not make any promises that they will add your preferred solution:

What is an Email Parser? :: AWeber Knowledge Base

What was I not right about?

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Headfirst

15 years ago

Aweber wont allow you to directly add from your own source. Thats why I went with Mailchimp and MadMimi when I started developing BigTie! our Wordpress mailing list integrator.

We can also do custom integrations using either product. PM me if you want to to look at integrating Mailchimp or MadMimi into your script.

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Alminc 15 years ago

Thank you all for your answers.

I do not own this script.

Ok, here is the story.

The script is Ultimate JV Giveaway Script, by Scott Case.
It is used for running giveaway events.

I will soon have a giveaway event hosted for me, and I am inquiring
if the script is allowed to add subscribes to aweber.

Scott Case says that he worked with Aweber in a similar way as John Delavera did for fantasos, but I contacted Aweber and they gave me the generic negative answer.

I am now insisting that they ckeck their records for that specific script.

Scott says that the script uses Aweber's form code for subscription:

" Hello Almin,
technically the script does not post to aweber, it uses the aweber form and posts the email and name to aweber, then uses the aweber forward vars to post the information back to the script which creates the account, making this compliant with aweber.

There is not a way around awebers double optin, which is the best way to do it anyway. when the user submits the form from the script it is in essence the exact same thing as submitting the form on a squeeze page or similar, just the script gets the information back from aweber and processes the account
Scott "

I want the subscribers from this giveaway event to be automatically added to my aweber autoresponder, not to be locked in the script.

But if it turns that aweber does not allow this script, what shell I do?

Can you please tell me what is the best alternative way to add/move the subscribers from the script to aweber account?

Josh, John...?

Almin
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NetMan

15 years ago

May I only add that Fantaos owners get a complete 20 pages manual, yes a manula just for this feature, that explains in great DETAILS how to use the "Fantasos - Aweber Integration Feature" that works wonderfully for hundreds of users/owners, indeed.

Not, only this works with Aweber, but the API gateway allows tons of possibilities of using Fantasos, and now Delavo of course, with OTHER SYSTEM and scripts.

Powerful!

Regards,

Andre Foisy

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Dmitry

15 years ago

I'm pretty sure GetResponse allows 3rd party scripts to parse emails...

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Johnny Slater

15 years ago

I had the Aweber signup portion of my programs outsourced to a professional programming house ( owned by a fellow Warrior ) when I first had it added into my scripts.

I also talked to Aweber directly and the response I recieved is that the form data to add members must come directly from the customer submitting the form and must not be something that a script sends to them.

There are several ways to do this and stay within Awebers terms. The terms say the customer must post the form and it must come from the customers IP address and not the servers. Most of us who use some form of Aweber integration use the method of posting the entire form directly to Aweber before we do any processing of the data. This meets the requirement that the customers IP address is added instead of the servers.

After the customer is added to a list then Aweber will post the data back to the script for further processing. This is fully within Aweber terms and conditions as has been verified several times by just about every one of us using this method.

Having a built in parser within the Aweber system itself is NOT the only allowed method, regardless of how many times anyone here says it is. You will get some people who try to get you to think having a parser created is the only option but Aweber has approved the methods used by the scripts such as the ones sold by Scott and myself, as well as a large percentage of the other membership/giveaway scripts available today.

Btw, Terry mentioned SMP and Get Response. I am working on that and have the code 99% done but it hasn't been added to the script yet. I just don't want anyone thinking that it should be there and be dissapointed when they find out it isn't there yet.

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Floyd Fisher

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

Hi guys,

I read in aweber's Q&A that adding subscribers to aweber list using
a third party script is NOT allowed, because they cannot have audit
trail about that subscriber if he is not directly subscribed through aweber form.

Is there any specific way of adding subscribers to aweber from third party script that IS allowed?

Before I read about this rule, I was automatically adding subscribers to aweber from my Fantasos script, and there were no reactions from aweber about that. I myself do not understand how that process work, but Fantasos somehow adds user's email address to a specified aweber autoresponder.

I need an explanation about this from someone who understands the process, what is allowed and what is not allowed and why.

Almin

You can save them to a local database and upload them manually. They do allow this, so long as you list the url's from there they are collected from (other exceptions may apply, so check with them before doing this).

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Alminc

15 years ago

After a lot of convincing I finally got the positive answer
from Aweber staff. I think they even phoned the script owner, Scott Case.

Ultimate JV Giveaway Script uses aweber's subscription form.
It first sends user's name and email to aweber and then it uses
the forward vars to post the information back to the script in order
to create user account in the script.

They said YES.

I can run my giveaway event using this script and subscribers
can be added automatically to my aweber autoresponder

Floyd,

Manual import into aweber is the last option I would use
because all subscribers would have to confirm one more time
and I would certainly lose nearly a half of them.

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Alminc 15 years ago

Jonny,

I'm really glad you jumped in and explained the process that is allowed by aweber,
because that's what they needed to hear in order to give me permission.

Obviously, and thank Good, parsers are not the only allowed method.

I now only have one little concern left:
how is the OTO process handled by the script if the script is configured
for single optin. There is no way arround aweber double optin , so the
script must be configured for single optin, otherwise users would have to
confirm twice, both for aweber and for the script.
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Floyd Fisher

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Alminc

After a lot of convincing I finally got the positive answer
from Aweber staff. I think they even phoned the script owner, Scott Case.

Ultimate JV Giveaway Script uses aweber's subscription form.
It first sends user's name and email to aweber and then it uses
the forward vars to post the information back to the script in order
to create user account in the script.

They said YES.

I can run my giveaway event using this script and subscribers
can be added automatically to my aweber autoresponder

Floyd,

Manual import into aweber is the last option I would use
because all subscribers would have to confirm one more time
and I would certainly lose nearly a half of them.

If you're saving to a locally hosted database, where is the second confirm? I would think there is only one at Aweber, is there something I'm missing? :confused:

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Alminc 15 years ago

Floyd,

Sorry for missunderstanding your post.
You are right, there's only 1 confirmation
if subscribers are stored in a local database.

I'm running several projects at the same time
along with my full time job, so my brains are
not allways 100% accurate

Thank you for your tip.
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  Josh Anderson 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by postmanpat
  
  Hi,
  
  Our Paypal digital download script can add buyers to Aweber etc by sending email to aweber.
  
  If you were paying attention what we were discussing is that Aweber does not allow a script to do that.
  
  It is against Aweber's rules:
  
  http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/...ther+Script%3F
  
  You may pull if off on a few submissions but when Aweber sees the IP is the same over and over for your submissions you will soon be bounced and have your IP blacklisted for submissions.
  
  Also you can just use the Paypal parser on paypal transactions so you do not even need a script for that.
  
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  Rob Whisonant 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Josh Anderson
  
  Also you can just use the Paypal parser on paypal transactions so you do not even need a script for that.
  
  Would you happen to have a link to a page that tells you how to do this?
  
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  Josh Anderson 15 years ago
  
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  Would you happen to have a link to a page that tells you how to do this?
  
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  How Do I Integrate PayPal With AWeber? :: AWeber Knowledge Base
  
  Also aweber provides you a searchable knowledgebase (search box at top of page).
  
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Johnny Slater

15 years ago

When you create a responder inside of Aweber I believe you can choose to set it for single optin. My understanding is that as long as you don't have anyone already subscribed then you can change it to single but you can't if you have already had someone sign up.

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Josh Anderson

15 years ago

The incorrect part is that Fantasos (and now Delavo) is not just
a script. First we have STUDIED the requirements set by Aweber
and complied to all of them. Second, it is a "script" that allows
ANYONE to create SYSTEMS online, like the ones you mentioned.
No other "script" on the Net offers such functionality. Third, you
give the impression that getting an email parser through Aweber
is like the 8th wonder of the world. That is not the case.

John,

8th wonder of the world?

Remember we are talking about integration of third party scripts with Aweber which is why I posted links to Aweber's explanations as well as talking about the use-sell.com origination of submissions for your email parser to work so that others can get an idea of how these things work.

It really is nothing that wild. Every time this conversation comes up I contribute to the threads links to Aweber's own knowledge base so that people could get the correct answers because for so long there has been so much confusion surrounding what they do and do not allow and how to work with it.

The other contributions to this thread are very good and quite helpful and should provide direction for anyone looking for the answer to this specific question in addition to the explanations Aweber provides that I have already posted to this thread:

http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/...ther+Script%3F

http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/...mail+Parser%3F

http://www.aweber.com/faq/questions/...nk+You+Page%3F

But I am curious...

What's a system?

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