3 Things I Learned From 8 Years of Internet Marketing

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1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
2. Never take upsells.
3. Webinars suck.
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  • LOL. Short and sweet. I agree.

    Now...I'm going to go make a webinar about this, and really pull in the profits with a sweet upsell!

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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    Wow, is that all you learned in 8 years? You could find more than that out over a round of golf . . . in an afternoon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Pascal Parvex
      Originally Posted by Horny Devil View Post

      Wow, is that all you learned in 8 years? You could find more than that out over a round of golf . . . in an afternoon.
      Well, I have learnt more, but those are the main points. And I don't play golf.
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  • Profile picture of the author mcsl
    Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
    2. Never take upsells.
    3. Webinars suck.
    I totally agree with you there,
    your points:
    1. You need to understand why or what it takes for traffic to convert
    2. Yeah up sales do not necessarily benefit the original product, thay just make the other person quick bucks
    3.Yeah webinars = Long sales pitch + sometime a golden nugget or two of information
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    • Profile picture of the author sarah lee
      Hi there,
      This is interesting as I have been told the the reverse. However I am new and learning all the time. My simple plan is to provide a range of quality information to new starters, as I learn and make progress to share this, and build from there really. I have to say I don't enjoy sitting through webinars, I find it hard to learn that way. I have noticed however that some webinars have some content that the marketer only shares in there. I do want to listen to one of them, so i need to get past this.
      It was interesting reading your post though.
      Thank you
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  • Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
    2. Never take upsells.
    3. Webinars suck.
    I agree, especially with 1 and 3. Converting traffic is so vital to any business. Part of getting that also involves understanding just who your ideal customer is too.

    And yes, it seems like at least most webinars are fairly useless.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gengis
    I can only agree with #1.
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  • Profile picture of the author domainarama
    I don't know what OP has in mind. Here are my thoughts on webinars and why I avoid them.

    The first 5-10 minutes are usually wasted on technical chat about broadcast quality and greetings.

    The next half hour might or might not contain new information. Maybe. But even if there is new information it is never the whole story. To turn that nugget of new information into something actionable (which converts traffic) you need to know a few more nuggets of information.....which, of course, you can get only if you buy something.

    Very few webinars contain new information after the first half hour mark. The last half hour or more is blatant selling time.

    IOW, webinars are sales pitches. They take huge bites of time. They tease, tease, tease. They are never the whole story. If you're not in a buying mood, don't bother.
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  • Profile picture of the author Malcolm Thomas
    The only thing that I agree with on that list is #1.

    Everything else, I completely disagree with.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Williams
    Webinars are a great way to sell your product. Not a great way to gain information though as they're trying to pre-sell you on their product in 95% of cases.

    I agree with #2 about half-way. Some upsells are valuable, but that's even more annoying because it should probably be included in the original then.

    #1... well, yeah.
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  • Profile picture of the author CpvTrafficPro
    3 things ive learned:

    1: There is money to be made in everything
    2: You must make the "system" your own
    3: Work your ass off until your expenses = return don't just give up
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  • Profile picture of the author vedremo
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    Webinars are tolerable (but often inconvenient) if they actually have content.

    But if it's just +- a recorded video sales letter, waste of time and scheduling and a shortcut to my blacklist.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    I agree with webinars, they are more selling then education. 8 years? wow im curious what are your big achievements
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    • Profile picture of the author Derek S
      You come across as spending your past 8 years as a customer and not a successful marketer.
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      • Profile picture of the author CDaeda
        I get traffic but conversions are rare?
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  • Profile picture of the author LimitlessTraffic
    3 things I learned from this thread is:

    1. Push Button System works the best.
    2. Buy All upsells
    3. Attend all webinars regardless whether they are live or not!

    On a serious note, I agree that with anything we need converting traffic!

    But some up-sells are worth the money and some webinars are worth attending!
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  • Profile picture of the author xohaibx
    Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
    2. Never take upsells.
    3. Webinars suck.
    Can only agree with point 1. Do you have any numbers to prove your other two points? Perhaps a case study? Because if it's an assumption, then it is dead wrong. Here's why:

    Upsells can convert REALLY well and can enhance the overall value of your purchase. Secondly, webinars don't suck. In fact, they work extremely well when it comes to converting a high ticket product.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sheila Ross
      Originally Posted by Mustafa Khundmiri View Post

      Can only agree with point 1. Do you have any numbers to prove your other two points? Perhaps a case study? Because if it's an assumption, then it is dead wrong. Here's why:

      Upsells can convert REALLY well and can enhance the overall value of your purchase. Secondly, webinars don't suck. In fact, they work extremely well when it comes to converting a high ticket product.
      I think it was his personal opinion and he wrote absolutely what he found so far. 8 years in IM is huge and he must have some logic to prove them.
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  • Profile picture of the author twister85
    I'am kind of happy coming here. I was expecting a long read but that's all you want to say?

    What newbies gonna do if pro marketers begin to act like this!

    And they say nothing is impossible...
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  • Profile picture of the author Cason
    I don't get #1 at all. Best systems are best systems because they convert traffic.
    ...Unless you're talking about sending junk traffic to the best systems.
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  • Profile picture of the author KevinChapman
    Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
    2. Never take upsells.
    3. Webinars suck.
    Oh this made me laugh!

    1. Completely agree, no matter how awesome your sales page is if no one is seeing it then you aren't going to make any sales!

    2. This one I don't agree with so much, I've brought some good up sells that have work for me.

    3. A lot of webinars do suck and to be honest very few have kept my attention for very long!
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  • Profile picture of the author mtihani
    Webinars inside coaching programs aren't the worst, but if we're talking about a webinar where you're just pitching a product/service, then ya...they suck lol
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  • Profile picture of the author fletchmonster
    lol.. there are no absolutes. Webinars may such for X but be the key to great revenue for Y. This post scares me. After 8 years, how much are you generating?
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
    2. Never take upsells.
    3. Webinars suck.
    I agree with you, but I was hoping to find something better in this thread than just three warnings...

    What else did you learn?





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  • Profile picture of the author VukasinI
    Agree, but I hope you learn something better in 8 years than this. No offense.
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  • Profile picture of the author BambiFox
    Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post

    Great headline tho.

    -Art
    That's what I wanted to say.

    Made me look at the thread. Now all Pascal Parvex needs is a signature link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hartmann
    webinars are a huge time suck...I used to attend heaps but not so much now. I see a new trend with webinars is offers of gifts just to attend or stick with it to the end...a sure sign that they are losing their appeal. Webinars without a pitch are ok but maybe they aren't defined as a webinar...in im anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    1 Thing I Learned About Internet Marketing From Reading This Thread:

    •*How to flush out the buyers from the sellers in the WF.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicolas simpson
    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.

    3. Webinars suck.

    I am more familiar with 1 & 3. On point i must say.
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  • Profile picture of the author bwh1
    Thanks for saving me 8 years of my life :-)

    And YES - Webinars DO SUCK.

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  • Profile picture of the author IM Inc
    Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
    2. Never take upsells.
    3. Webinars suck.
    hahaha...good one
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    I agree to the first two points, but can't agree with you on the third one.
    Still some good webinars, it's your luck if you can get a good one.
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    3 things are most important in internet marketing:
    1. recurring income income
    2. build list
    3. products

    If you meet 3 things above which work for you, so you can make good living from the internet marketing for your family.
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    • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
      Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

      1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
      2. Never take upsells.
      3. Webinars suck.
      Yep, agree with 3, although some are quite good.

      But the ones that are quite good, usually hold back on what people really want to know, which is usually an upsell!

      But, yeah, most have no fast foward button, so you have to sit through some crap about his rags to riches stint, and learn about his internet lifestyle, and learn about his hot wife and 2 dogs, blah, blah!

      Then it usually becomes promising, but you quickly learn that he and his associate are just sugar coating a good, but expensive program of software, that typically has the, most will fail, and some won't.

      In the meantime we string you along and make as much per month as we can, until you realise we won't run your offer past our life changing lists, and our help is conditional and limited!

      Yeah, l have been at this for 5 and a half years, and eventhough l have likely found my pot of gold, it will still take a lot of effort to extract it.


      So, it is a pretty good list, but l would add...


      4. SEO doesn't work! :rolleyes:


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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Pescetti
    Well... in 8 years, you got one thing right.

    I look forward to what you've learned in another 8 years.

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  • Profile picture of the author ODeez
    Short, sweet and to the point.

    You've also learned the K.I.S.S. (keep it simple stupid) method in those 8 yrs.

    #1 - I agree traffic and conversions are essential to success.
    #2 - I believe some upsells are worth it especially for developer / PLR rights but I am very selective with upsells I purchase.
    #3 - Webinars can be a good source of information but it sucks when they are a long drawn on hyped-up pitch for an overpriced product.

    Good luck to everyone in their IM endeavors!!!

    Colin
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  • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
    #1 was Golden. I've seen 70% increases in traffic before and a decrease in sales from the previous year.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    2. Never take upsells.
    Wrong mindset to have. You are definitely not alone though.

    But if you purchase a product and then ignore the upsell just because of your ego, you will often be passing up an opportunity to make the product you just purchased infinitely more powerful. So no, that is not always a smart business decision. If an upgrade is going to make something more powerful or more efficient then a smart business man would buy it all day long.

    So I'll have to disagree with you on that one.. and with all the others who share that same thought. By passing up an upgrade opportunity, in many cases the only person you are actually hurting is yourself.

    Have I passed on upsells before? You bet I have. Sometimes they are rubbish and/or not needed by me. But you won't find me having a blanket rule that I will never buy upsells because that's just silly. That decision has to be made on a per purchase basis. It's the only sensible way to do things.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    most people shouldn't even try to run a business.
    95% are broke.
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  • Profile picture of the author Viktor Vedmak
    I guess you did not attend decent webinar.

    Upsells are on case by case basis. Some upsells are good value.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kenster
    Originally Posted by Pascal Parvex View Post

    1. The best system is worthless without converting traffic.
    2. Never take upsells.
    3. Webinars suck.


    Agree with 1...a lot
    For 2, don't agree with. I wouldn't say Never
    For 3, depends what side of the webby you're on
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    • Profile picture of the author aprilm
      Converting traffic is the bread and butter of internet marketing! You're spot on with #1.

      As for #2, Some upsells are useful. Just like anything else you buy in life, sometimes you'll get the short end of the stick, and sometimes you'll have spent your money wisely.

      And #3, webinars that actually convey useful usable information are valuable. However, I have sat in on some that are nothing more than one big marketing strategy.

      Congrats on your 8 years in!
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  • Profile picture of the author Avish
    Awesome of you to point out these three things.. I totally agree with you about promoting the best system and upsells and yes webinars suck..
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