Why Google Chrome Will Rip Up IM!

by Steve Peters Benn 95 replies
Hey guys,

I've been reading some tech specs and the comic book for Chrome.

Firefox = revenue per search / click on Google to the Firefox people
IE = a straight out threat.

Google will stay friendly with Firefox until IE is mortally wounded. Then they will turn their attention to Firefox. What is the point of feeding a competitior to destroy a larger competitor who is finished?

I am very excited about Chrome, and can see it becoming my main browser.

I'd say three years from now, IE will be dead, Firefox at 30% - 40% and Google will have completed its switch to the dark side. Then look out for anti trust - because Google will have a near monopoly. However our user experience will have improved vastly.

So Chrome is coming what does this mean for us as marketers:


  • Severly reduced effectivesness of pop ups slide ins/ etc
  • Conversion rates down for a while as we get used to things
  • Advantage for the big boys - Google tends to keep top end features for preferred partners only - eg Android - in this case Adwords big spenders?
  • More browser fragmentation - makes sales page web design harder
  • The end of the IEs rubbish!!! Yeah!
  • End of Rapid Firefox Growth - Google no longer needs to pay them per click to compete with IE, so why harm Chromes chances
  • Apple dented - Safari will be almost still born outside Mac?
  • Increased integration with online / offfline web applications
  • Long Term... who knows? Antitrust stuff? Browser Nirvana
  • Far more secure and stable browsing in medium term...

I think we are all going to have to pay attention to web design and conversion rates as Chrome appears over the next year!

Remember change = opportunity.

Bye bye IE rubbish and Firefox's silly constant updates. Hello Big G.

Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author KimW
    Originally Posted by Steve Peters View Post

    Hey guys,

    I've been reading some tech specs and the comic book for Chrome.

    Firefox = revenue per search / click on Google to the Firefox people
    IE = a straight out threat.

    Google will stay friendly with Firefox until IE is mortally wounded. Then they will turn their attention to Firefox. What is the point of feeding a competitior to destroy a larger competitor who is finished?

    I am very excited about Chrome, and can see it becoming my main browser.

    I'd say three years from now, IE will be dead, Firefox at 30% - 40% and Google will have completed its switch to the dark side. Then look out for anti trust - because Google will have a near monopoly. However our user experience will have improved vastly.

    So Chrome is coming what does this mean for us as marketers:


    • Severly reduced effectivesness of pop ups slide ins/ etc
    • Conversion rates down for a while as we get used to things
    • Advantage for the big boys - Google tends to keep top end features for preferred partners only - eg Android - in this case Adwords big spenders?
    • More browser fragmentation - makes sales page web design harder
    • The end of the IEs rubbish!!! Yeah!
    • End of Rapid Firefox Growth - Google no longer needs to pay them per click to compete with IE, so why harm Chromes chances
    • Apple dented - Safari will be almost still born outside Mac?
    • Increased integration with online / offfline web applications
    • Long Term... who knows? Antitrust stuff? Browser Nirvana
    • Far more secure and stable browsing in medium term...
    I think we are all going to have to pay attention to web design and conversion rates as Chrome appears over the next year!

    Remember change = opportunity.

    Bye bye IE rubbish and Firefox's silly constant updates. Hello Big G.

    Steve
    I don't know a thing about Chrome. I do know about Firefox, Opera, IE.
    People have been citing doom and death for IE for years...... and it hasn't happened yet. But who knows.....
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    • Perhaps you are right, but Google will leverage it's monopoly to crush the opposition, just as they have done with search. I can't see Firefox falling before IE though....
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      • Here is an interesting quote I found on the Guardian's website regarding Chrome:

        Still, Google has been a prime Firefox promoter and distributer, and the source of its (comparative) wealth, so Google's focus on Chrome will inevitably diminish its support for Firefox. Whether Chrome will hurt Firefox more than it hurts IE or Safari remains to be seen.

        On the other hand, Firefox could benefit if there's a backlash against Google. Google is a search engine company invading everybody else's space, and it's likely to optimise Chrome to work with Google properties, and Google applications. It is also a way of getting Google Gears widely installed. I doubt there will be a backlash any time soon, but things that can be seen as attempts at world domination tend to provoke them eventually.
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        • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
          Who cares... I don't give it a f... .

          Not meant to be rude to anyone except "the one who must not be named" with their evil plans to dominate the entire world
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          • Profile picture of the author ripsnorta2
            The problem Google face is inertia.

            Every PC/Windows user gets IE installed by default. Unless Granny Smith has an incentive to stop using IE and start using Chrome/FF/Opera, she won't. And she's representative of a very large portion of the PC/Windows userbase.

            I don't think IE is going anywhere, anytime soon.
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              • Profile picture of the author martinp
                Originally Posted by davebo View Post

                IE might lose market share, but I still use it. I personally have never found firefox to be all that great. I'm sure many people feel the same way.
                I personally prefer IE as well - I do use Firefox too, but IE is still my first choice.
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                • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
                  Look at it this way...More people buy Microsoft computers which means more people will use the IE browser.
                  What is the motivation to download Chrome or Firefox for those 40 and over, 50 and over, or 60 and over?

                  Sure for the younger generation it's "cool" to use Chrome...but really what is the difference?

                  Is the browser going to change the way the internet runs forever? No.
                  As long as Microsoft puts out computers IE will always be around.


                  Sorry to be a heart breaker

                  Zach
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                  • Hey Zach,

                    I guess you are right about IE. However, must have put point accross badly as a lot of people think it isn't going to affect them. It is. I guess they just aren't bothered about Chrome customers.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
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                    • Profile picture of the author zapseo
                      let's take 'em one-by-one...

                      (Nothing like creating a long thread by stirring up browser wars, LOL.)
                      • Severly reduced effectivesness of pop ups slide ins/ etc
                      • Conversion rates down for a while as we get used to things
                      Well, let's look at how things roll out:
                      1. first, Chrome has to get onto people's computers, and, before we notice a difference as stated above, it will have to get on a LOT of computers. What's the incentive for people to download and use chrome? Others have addressed this question.

                      2. Until Chrome gets distributed widely, it's impact will be minimal. By the time it gets distributed widely, other mechanisms, to work around Chrome's marketing "limitations", will have been developed. (Yes, opportunity for some.)

                      3. Not EVERYTHING that Google does is a success. The stuff that they do successfully, tend to be huge successes. We don't know that Chrome will even be successful. Speaking of which...
                      • Advantage for the big boys - Google tends to keep top end features for preferred partners only - eg Android - in this case Adwords big spenders?
                      4. Android? Are you and I talkin' about the same thing? You mean Android the OpenSource Mobile Phone Operating System? The most noticeable feature of that project is their ability to miss dates. Meanwhile, iPhone eats G's lunch in this market for the time being. Don't discount Jobs' ability to continue to corner the "cool" market. Google is great, but I don't think it's mastered "sexy cool".
                      • More browser fragmentation - makes sales page web design harder
                      Why? (And, why, specifically, sales page design?) Are they creating their own standards -- or are they actually attempting to be w3c-compliant?
                      Sad, but true -- most of the sales pages out there are rarely tested on more than 1 or 2 platforms -- and that mostly due to the idiosyncrasy of the people working on them. (Which is why I'll happily defer the webdesign of sales pages to others and keep to the copy -- providing simple things like bolding, font-size, etc.)
                      • The end of the IEs rubbish!!! Yeah!
                      No, for the reasons mentioned.
                      • End of Rapid Firefox Growth - Google no longer needs to pay them per click to compete with IE, so why harm Chromes chances
                      yeah, well, what do you do to top getting into the Guiness book of records?
                      • Apple dented - Safari will be almost still born outside Mac?
                      Safari? "What's that?"
                      • Increased integration with online / offfline web applications
                      With Gears ?
                      • Long Term... who knows? Antitrust stuff? Browser Nirvana
                      On browsers ???? Only if they decide to start charging for browsers. (Unlikely.) The detriment of anti-trust has to do more with the ability of someone to corner the market and SET PRICES. Lack of innovation is only a secondary problem. And even then, Google still has the distribution problem. And, oh yeah. Did I mention that Google isn't midas? Not everything they touch turns to gold? (Yes, it surprised me, too. It took seeing Google write about "their most successful projects" to realize that not every one of their projects blossoms. Nice legerdermain on G's part...)

                      Why Browser Nirvana?
                      • Far more secure and stable browsing in medium term...
                      Do tell.

                      Okay...turning reality back over to you...

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                        • Profile picture of the author Ricky Ticky Toc
                          Can't say anything yet for all we no IE might come out with a new version which is better then the rest so we will have to wait and see i dont think IE would give up easy
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                          • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
                            Originally Posted by Ricky Ticky Toc View Post

                            Can't say anything yet for all we no IE might come out with a new version which is better then the rest so we will have to wait and see i dont think IE would give up easy
                            Man, by the way it looks IE gave up a long time ago
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                            • Profile picture of the author Alton Hargrave
                              I just did an easy setup of Google Chrome. I am regular FF user. But, I am also a RoboForm user and I know lots of people here do too. Does anyone know how to incorporate RoboForm into Google Chrome? Otherwise, back to FF I go.

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                      • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
                        I'm not getting into the browser verses browser debate but I do want to point out one fact that most seem to have overlooked.

                        Just about every sales page I see from people in IM has the worst jumble of mashed up code I have ever seen. There are very few people trying to sell stuff online who can manage to get a decently coded sales page together.

                        Check out some of the "guru" web sites and view the source code for their pages. The code is a mess and is almost never viewed the same on more than one browser.

                        Before a new browser can spell doom for the IM business you would have to have every sales page on the internet actually using correct syntax and coding. How many people putting up sales pages even know there is a standard for code syntax?

                        The large majority write their sales pages and test in IE and FF only, if they even bother to test in more than one browser. If it works in those two then they call it a day and run with it.

                        Most people are not writing properly coded sales pages as it is, so adding another browser to the mix isn't going to change much in getting sales pages viewed properly any time soon.
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                    Originally Posted by Zach Booker View Post

                    Look at it this way...More people buy Microsoft computers which means more people will use the IE browser.
                    What is the motivation to download Chrome or Firefox for those 40 and over, 50 and over, or 60 and over?

                    Sure for the younger generation it's "cool" to use Chrome...but really what is the difference?

                    Is the browser going to change the way the internet runs forever? No.
                    As long as Microsoft puts out computers IE will always be around.


                    Sorry to be a heart breaker

                    Zach
                    Hey Zach, I'm pushing 70 and I use IE, FF and Safari because I want to see what my sites look like in each. For everyday stuff, though, I use FF because it's much faster. I will definitely download Chrome too because I like staying on the bleeding edge. :-)
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                    • Profile picture of the author zapseo
                      Let me repeat: when it comes to anti-trust -- THEY DON'T CARE about stuff being given away.

                      When it comes to anti-trust -- the REAL place someone should have objected was when G bought double-cllick. The fact that only the privacy advocates seemed to complain -- well, I can hear the conversation..."Mr. Congressman, meet billionaires Sergey, Larry & Eric" (hmmm the congressman thinks -- my campaign coffers could use a refill...).

                      could quickly face legal difficulties, so while you " could " create a neat plugin that would stuff cookies on the users machine, ( you would never really do that because they will know it and the cookie police will knock on your door. ):
                      This kind of mischief doesn't require Chrome. It's quite available to ANY browser that supports plugins and/or toolbars. Wake up!

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                  Originally Posted by martinp View Post

                  I personally prefer IE as well - I do use Firefox too, but IE is still my first choice.
                  Okay, it's one thing to admit you use IE. But to say you like it? Really?

                  You like not having the same standards complient experience that the rest of the world has? You like not seeing features and tools that other websites have that you can't view in IE?

                  Sorry as a web developer I can tell you that IE is terrible. It's just a piece of crap. I willl say that IE8 looks good in development but then we thought that about IE 7 and what a crap hog that turned out to be.

                  Look, I only run IE for testing these days, to see what features I have to leave out for the poor old windows folks.

                  IE sucks for the user and sucks for the developer. It just SUCKS.
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                  • With all due respect, it's kind of silly suggesting anyone can 'predict' where things will be 3 years from now.

                    And it isn't likely IE will be 'mortally wounded' when it's the default browser on all Windows systems, and the profile of internet users moves more and more towards the "average".

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                  • Profile picture of the author KimW
                    Originally Posted by daelx View Post

                    Okay, it's one thing to admit you use IE. But to say you like it? Really?

                    You like not having the same standards complient experience that the rest of the world has? You like not seeing features and tools that other websites have that you can't view in IE?

                    Sorry as a web developer I can tell you that IE is terrible. It's just a piece of crap. I willl say that IE8 looks good in development but then we thought that about IE 7 and what a crap hog that turned out to be.

                    Look, I only run IE for testing these days, to see what features I have to leave out for the poor old windows folks.

                    IE sucks for the user and sucks for the developer. It just SUCKS.

                    There is always at least one post like this in every browser thread.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
                      Originally Posted by KimW View Post

                      There is always at least one post like this in every browser thread.
                      perhaps because it is true. When I was doing css I always HATED having to put little trick code in so that IE would display it. There are freakin standards for a reason.

                      The fact it, internet developers absolute HATE IE by and large. It's Microsoft's fault for not being standards compliant.


                      Oh and it does still amaze me to see people who have tried Firefox, Flock and Opera and they actually PREFER IE. Not hating on you or anything...its cool and all but it does amaze me.
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                      • Profile picture of the author David Neale
                        My company has been building websites since 1995, over 700 of them, and we don't hate IE at all. In fact IE is so forgiving it's easier to develop for.

                        Sure FF is more standards compliant but who cares? Who set the standards? Nobody we developers ever voted for, in fact they basically voted themselves into the position.

                        I use both but I develop in FF because it's stricter and the chances of the site also working correctly in IE are much greater than if I develop in IE and then check it in FF... THAT can be a major pain.

                        The bottom line is that people using IE will see LESS broken pages out on the web than people using FF, like it or not.


                        Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post

                        perhaps because it is true. When I was doing css I always HATED having to put little trick code in so that IE would display it. There are freakin standards for a reason.

                        The fact it, internet developers absolute HATE IE by and large. It's Microsoft's fault for not being standards compliant.


                        Oh and it does still amaze me to see people who have tried Firefox, Flock and Opera and they actually PREFER IE. Not hating on you or anything...its cool and all but it does amaze me.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
                          Originally Posted by David Neale View Post

                          My company has been building websites since 1995, over 700 of them, and we don't hate IE at all. In fact IE is so forgiving it's easier to develop for.

                          Sure FF is more standards compliant but who cares? Who set the standards? Nobody we developers ever voted for, in fact they basically voted themselves into the position.

                          I use both but I develop in FF because it's stricter and the chances of the site also working correctly in IE are much greater than if I develop in IE and then check it in FF... THAT can be a major pain.

                          The bottom line is that people using IE will see LESS broken pages out on the web than people using FF, like it or not.
                          I just could not help but play the devils advocate here, (no offense to Al)

                          but it would appear you are in the minority as far as developers and (most importantly here, Users)



                          I could say more, but really my intent is not to offend you or anything,

                          just that there are a lot of people out there that share a rather low opinion of IE, and that cant be an accident.
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                          • Profile picture of the author David Neale
                            Yes, even here in the Pacific Northwest where I associate with many experienced and "young buck" developers I do agree I am in the minority. But one of your points makes me wonder...

                            Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

                            just that there are a lot of people out there that share a rather low opinion of IE, and that cant be an accident..
                            Not an accident true but what else might it be? I've seen hundreds of these arguments over the years, as I'm sure you have, and I believe many people who post an opinion on emotional issues like these are not really sure why they have that opinion.

                            I've see countless posts by people claiming that Mac is better than Windows, UNIX is the only way to go for hosting, anybody who still uses tables isn't complient yada yada yada. In most of the cases few have any real reason for their opinion other than what they read in a forum post by somebody else.

                            I believe a lot of the IE knocking is for the same reason. People are easily swayed by a loud and vocal (and apparently knowledgeable) crowd that have a strong opinion.

                            I find it refreshhing when people have the courage to go against the crowd and say what isn't popular but is what they really believe.

                            1. IE is just fine by me, most of my customers use it after all
                            2. I don't care if a web page does have a table or two, their standard too
                            3. Windows server offers me more choices then any UNIX server ever could
                            4. I've never found a strict CSS site to do any better in SE results than non CSS
                            5. I prefer Vista to Mac OS. I can run more software and I get more bang for my buck
                            6. Microsoft isn't the enemy anymore. Google is obvious but what about Adobe? (whoooo)

                            These are just some comments that you will almost NEVER see in forums but I believe many, many people believe. When they state their opininon they are riduculed by the majority so they remain silent.



                            Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

                            I just could not help but play the devils advocate here, (no offense to Al)

                            but it would appear you are in the minority as far as developers and (most importantly here, Users)



                            I could say more, but really my intent is not to offend you or anything,

                            just that there are a lot of people out there that share a rather low opinion of IE, and that cant be an accident.
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                            Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

                            I just could not help but play the devils advocate here, (no offense to Al)

                            but it would appear you are in the minority as far as developers and (most importantly here, Users)
                            It would, until you do a similar search on I love IE and developers love IE. Then you see he isn't in the minority at all. It isn't even close.

                            Here, I'll help you:

                            developers love IE: 23,400,000
                            I love IE: 58,700,000
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              • Profile picture of the author dbh
                Originally Posted by davebo View Post

                IE might lose market share, but I still use it. I personally have never found firefox to be all that great. I'm sure many people feel the same way.
                Me too. I use IE6 and personally have really never had any problems over the years. But my expectations for a browser aren't really high. To me, its a tool - same as my wrenches etc. when I work on cars. I do want it to work reliably but a bunch of features I never use aren't necessary either. I too tried Firefox and thought it was okay but nothing special.....

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          • Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

            Who cares... I don't give it a f... .

            Not meant to be rude to anyone except "the one who must not be named" with their evil plans to dominate the entire world
            Blooming heck. You don't actually read do you ? - this is going to affect us. Pop ups won't be half as effective now. Google is containing them, and introducing technologies to reduce their impact.

            I guess if you don't care, so be it - but it's going to seriously affect people's conversion rates. Google Chrome is a major change and a major crackdown on a lot of the stuff we might use as marketers.
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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Well, it won't affect me one bit.

              I don't use pop ups, I don't use slide ins, I don't use any of that crap.

              My sales pages are simple and to the point and make me a mint.

              Tricks don't make sales.

              Good content and good offers make sales.

              And one of these days, you guys are going to get that.
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              • Profile picture of the author ecoverartist
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Well, it won't affect me one bit.

                I don't use pop ups, I don't use slide ins, I don't use any of that crap.

                My sales pages are simple and to the point and make me a mint.

                Tricks don't make sales.

                Good content and good offers make sales.

                And one of these days, you guys are going to get that.
                Same here! I can't wait to see how things fare for web designers. This is going to be exciting. CSS3 anyone?
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              • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Well, it won't affect me one bit.

                I don't use pop ups, I don't use slide ins, I don't use any of that crap.

                My sales pages are simple and to the point and make me a mint.

                Tricks don't make sales.

                Good content and good offers make sales.

                And one of these days, you guys are going to get that.
                Excellent point, the glimmer, does nothing anyway, as far as browsers are concerned, there will always be different folks that use different browsers.

                Personally never heard of crome, or what ever it is, and I really don't care about what browser my customer uses what is important is good content like the man says.
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                • I'm playing with Chrome now , typing this message using it, it's quite snazzy, performance seems good ,only 5 minutes in, quite like it but whether I would convert I'm not sure.

                  And so far it doesn't seem to support Roboform which would kill me as I have over 100 passwords etc in my roboform app.
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                  • Profile picture of the author bartlock
                    Hi! first post here!

                    Chrome is under beta testing, but IE8 is also coming and some said that is better than Chrome.

                    Let's try them and judge ourselves.

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                  • Profile picture of the author xmx
                    I am also here on the WF using my G Chrome browser.
                    Just installed it in 1/2 a minute and seems good.

                    Of course I will have to spend some time with the new
                    baby to know it better.

                    But for me IE will become the 3rd choice I think.


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                    • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
                      I'm all chromed up folks..

                      It's like a safari/firefox re-mix....

                      It's cool..

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                    • Profile picture of the author 2bwealthy
                      NetScape anyone? (only kidding) . Still on IE myself have not loaded FF on the new laptop. I would be reserved to switch untill a fuller version comes out. the fact that IE has 80% or so of the market and is on every PC sold, its not going away anytime soon.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
                        I went ahead and read the comic. Interesting, really.
                        Sounds great! As I started reading it, I was thinking
                        "Hmmm....would I even read this if it wasn't in this weird
                        comic..." But towards the end I was thinking....
                        "Hmmm....does it EVER END?" Fortunately, that was literally
                        on the very last page. lol

                        Ok. So I've downloaded and attempted to install Chrome.
                        No luck. It downloaded and when I ran the setup, I saw
                        ChromeSetup.exe and GoogleUpdate.exe load, run and end
                        in the task manager but nothing happens.

                        The browser doesn't start and there are no shortcuts anywhere
                        to be found. I've tried to re-download and install several times
                        with no luck. ( I wonder how much trash I've thrown around
                        trying to install it. LOL

                        I guess I should mention, I'm on a VERY slow PC 233Mhz pentium II.
                        256 MB RAM running WinXP Pro.

                        Surprisingly, this little old thing is able to run most stuff I throw
                        at it...albeit, slowly. lol

                        Guess I'll have to stick with FF for now. Tried Opera but it seemed
                        to suck a bit more memory than FF (without extensions).

                        Will try again later and will definitely try once I get one of my
                        better machines back up and running.

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                        • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
                          Originally Posted by Matt Fulger View Post

                          I went ahead and read the comic. Interesting, really.
                          Sounds great! As I started reading it, I was thinking
                          "Hmmm....would I even read this if it wasn't in this weird
                          comic..." But towards the end I was thinking....
                          "Hmmm....does it EVER END?" Fortunately, that was literally
                          on the very last page. lol

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                          After reading about all the hype, and there has been quite a lot of the hype here in fact,

                          I wanted to see what it was about, so I read through the comic too, Long bugger that,

                          But, I wonder how many people actually understood the comic, because it did seem to be somewhat technical,

                          I have read a lot of technical white papers, (sometimes nodding out during)

                          the comic did a good job of relying information, all though it did seem to be aimed more at developers than the average web surfing joe.

                          What I found interesting, is that the browser is open, and in fact,

                          V8 is actually free to use in other online implementations.

                          Very Cool that,

                          So there are plugins, which can be created, the UI is bound to javascript,

                          Then you call V8 to run mirror your javascript, very cool stuff, at first I thought it was just a bunch of hype, with all the posts here about how it is the doom of the IM world.


                          Well actually once I read through the docs and downloaded the development material, I was impressed at what they have actually done here, which is to create a medium where a developer can create a plugin, that could actually create a lot of sales opportunities, (if done right, they will be watching)

                          there is a sandbox feature, which can isolate, malware, bad scripts that behave badly.

                          More than that, is the possibility that criminals, (real criminals here, not just slightly impaired thinking, but true criminals,)

                          could quickly face legal difficulties, so while you " could " create a neat plugin that would stuff cookies on the users machine, ( you would never really do that because they will know it and the cookie police will knock on your door. ):

                          So some good news, some bad news, but over all the possibilities, are quite intriguing,

                          The down side, so far only for windows, but MAC is on the list, the system works with google gears, which apparently has a unix flavor somewhere in the woodpile,

                          So I expect to see a MAC version soon,

                          BTW, Google, Gears, is really interesting as well.

                          I would like to say that google is taking over the Internet, but they offer this stuff freely and even encourage developers to take the code and use it anyway they want even if it is in another application not associated with google, I have to admire that.

                          While the Hype is on the wrong track, there actually may be something to study in the future as it is still in beta, but certainly it is not a threat to Internet Marketing, but rather a boon.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Chris Monty
                            Here's something you should definitely pay attention to. Take note of the terms and conditions.

                            Although you, of course, retain any copyrights to your own content that you use within Chrome, Google says it has a right to display that content, in conjunction with promoting its services. Here's the exact wording:

                            "By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the additional terms of those services."

                            Be warned.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
                              Originally Posted by montydad5000 View Post

                              Here's something you should definitely pay attention to. Take note of the terms and conditions.

                              Although you, of course, retain any copyrights to your own content that you use within Chrome, Google says it has a right to display that content, in conjunction with promoting its services. Here's the exact wording:

                              "By submitting, posting or displaying the content you give Google a perpetual, irrevocable, worldwide, royalty-free, and non-exclusive license to reproduce, adapt, modify, translate, publish, publicly perform, publicly display and distribute any content which you submit, post or display on or through, the services. This license is for the sole purpose of enabling Google to display, distribute and promote the services and may be revoked for certain services as defined in the additional terms of those services."

                              Be warned.
                              Yes that is true, but it also state clearly that you are not required to submit anything to them in order to use the code base, so that only applies if you write a plugin, and submit it to google, ( the operative word here is submit)

                              get it, if you dont submit it, you dont have to agree to anything.

                              Cool, huh.
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                    • Profile picture of the author braver55b
                      I'll take a wait and see attitude, before I use chrome, I don't want my surfing habits to be scrutinized.

                      All three browser will co-exist, The rumors of internet explorer's imminent demise have been greatly exaggerated.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Michael Mason
                      I haven't heard about Chrome much, but I'll have to check it out. Personally I am still an IE fan. I use Firefox too, but IE slightly more often. I do know that Firefox is getting more an more popular though. Everyone I know uses that instead of IE, and it is even the default on the computers at my university.
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                    • Profile picture of the author JFrost
                      My Opinion is Chrome just another browser. I won't change and Most FireFox users I know will not change. If Chrome wants users they will need to prove themselves worthy. I think google has already overextended their share of the market place. Look for some new big boys soon.
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                    • Profile picture of the author greenovni
                      Has anyone stop to think that being open source software every single hacker and their mother also has the source code?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
                        Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

                        After reading about all the hype, and there has been quite a lot of the hype here in fact,

                        I wanted to see what it was about, so I read through the comic too, Long bugger that,

                        But, I wonder how many people actually understood the comic, because it did seem to be somewhat technical,

                        I have read a lot of technical white papers, (sometimes nodding out during)

                        the comic did a good job of relying information, all though it did seem to be aimed more at developers than the average web surfing joe.

                        What I found interesting, is that the browser is open, and in fact,

                        V8 is actually free to use in other online implementations.

                        Very Cool that,
                        Yes, I agree. It does seem to be geared more towards the technically inclined. But I've read white papers before too and this was MUCH easier to follow and much more entertaining. The visual guidance along the way should help most users to understand a little more of what they are talking about I should think.

                        I also liked the fact that it's open source without limitations.


                        Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

                        So there are plugins, which can be created, the UI is bound to javascript,

                        Then you call V8 to run mirror your javascript, very cool stuff, at first I thought it was just a bunch of hype, with all the posts here about how it is the doom of the IM world.


                        Well actually once I read through the docs and downloaded the development material, I was impressed at what they have actually done here, which is to create a medium where a developer can create a plugin, that could actually create a lot of sales opportunities, (if done right, they will be watching)

                        there is a sandbox feature, which can isolate, malware, bad scripts that behave badly.
                        I didn't download the development materials yet, but just from reading the comic I picked up on the plugins and sandox features. It all sounds pretty cool. Which is why I tried to install it and test it out.

                        Originally Posted by Tim Franklin View Post

                        More than that, is the possibility that criminals, (real criminals here, not just slightly impaired thinking, but true criminals,)

                        could quickly face legal difficulties, so while you " could " create a neat plugin that would stuff cookies on the users machine, ( you would never really do that because they will know it and the cookie police will knock on your door. ):

                        So some good news, some bad news, but over all the possibilities, are quite intriguing,

                        The down side, so far only for windows, but MAC is on the list, the system works with google gears, which apparently has a unix flavor somewhere in the woodpile,

                        So I expect to see a MAC version soon,

                        BTW, Google, Gears, is really interesting as well.

                        I would like to say that google is taking over the Internet, but they offer this stuff freely and even encourage developers to take the code and use it anyway they want even if it is in another application not associated with google, I have to admire that.

                        While the Hype is on the wrong track, there actually may be something to study in the future as it is still in beta, but certainly it is not a threat to Internet Marketing, but rather a boon.
                        I agree. It's nice that they decided to go open source. The browser and the new technologies behind it do sound pretty awesome really. Even if their browser doesn't take over, perhaps other browsers will be able to implement some of the ideas.

                        Originally Posted by David Neale View Post

                        My company has been building websites since 1995, over 700 of them, and we don't hate IE at all. In fact IE is so forgiving it's easier to develop for.

                        Sure FF is more standards compliant but who cares? Who set the standards? Nobody we developers ever voted for, in fact they basically voted themselves into the position.

                        I use both but I develop in FF because it's stricter and the chances of the site also working correctly in IE are much greater than if I develop in IE and then check it in FF... THAT can be a major pain.

                        The bottom line is that people using IE will see LESS broken pages out on the web than people using FF, like it or not.
                        Well said David! I use FF to develop as well for the same reasons. Not necessarily because it's a better browser but because in most cases, if your pages render good in FF, then IE will display them pretty well too. However, if you use IE while developing and THEN test in FF, you are in for a headache.

                        Originally Posted by greenovni View Post

                        Has anyone stop to think that being open source software every single hacker and their mother also has the source code?
                        That's a good point and something to think about. But then look at open source OS's, don't they tend to be MORE secure even though hackers have the source code as well? At least with open source, developers also have their hands on the source code to help combat potential security holes that the hackers will find.

                        Just a thought.

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                    • Profile picture of the author brilliantjv
                      Just Installed Google Chrome...

                      Cannot integrate with Roboform and I cannot function
                      without it.

                      So...for now....Goodbye Google
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                    • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
                      I am confused... how does Chrome effect popups? As far as I can tell dhtml popups are not effected at all.

                      Its going to take a while before it becomes more than a minor web browser and even approaches the usability of Firefox.

                      I also noticed right away that it has problems (buggy) displaying content that has been tested in opera, safari, firefox, netscape, and ie.

                      I don't see any reason to use it instead of firefox at this point.
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                      • Hi Josh,

                        It's more that DHTML pop ups, (not the browser type as some character misread early). are being confined to one thread. Not a huge issue now, but the fact Google is actively considering pop ups/overs/slide ins says to me that they are also looking to clamp down on them.

                        I seem to remember reading that they can't just pull that stuff out of Javascript, which says to me that they have been trying.

                        Firefox will have three years of funding, I wouldn't be surprised to see its oxygen and funding cut off.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steve MacLellan
                      Sorry as a web developer I can tell you that IE is terrible. It's just a piece of crap. I will say that IE8 looks good in development but then we thought that about IE 7 and what a crap hog that turned out to be.
                      I prefer FF over IE. Still when I login to a WHM manager, IE works better. When I login to a infusionsoft.com, IE works better, and when I login to 1shoppingcart, IE works better. Actually, working too much with FF in 1shoppingcart makes the browser choke on it's cookies and it won't show cart updates that you need to verify.

                      When some of these more corporate sites start declaring that these site work better in Chrome -- then Chrome might have a chance. I just don't see it happening anytime too soon.

                      Consider individuals. Those of us who work online all of the time quickly learned about Chrome. What do you think reading an article in the local paper about it means to my 76 year old mother -- or any average Internet user?

                      It doesn't mean squat -- and it won't mean squat to corporate developers. Chrome is likely just another novelty browser like Opera and a few dozen other browsers

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                    • Profile picture of the author achonu
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                      Originally Posted by xmx View Post

                      I am also here on the WF using my G Chrome browser.
                      Just installed it in 1/2 a minute and seems good.

                      Of course I will have to spend some time with the new
                      baby to know it better.

                      But for me IE will become the 3rd choice I think.


                      cheers,

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                    • Profile picture of the author Ben Brentlinger
                      I like firefox best, I haven't used chrome yet because I am just now hearing about it, and I hate internet explorer because the last time I tried using it, it was very unstable. That's when I made the switch to firefox and I'm never going back to internet explorer because firefox is easier to use. I will be trying out chrome, but I won't make it my main browser until I get comfortable using it (or if there's no roboform plugin for chrome, firefox will remain my default browser until there is)
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                    • Profile picture of the author Christie Love
                      I'm not worried one bit. Things change and people have to learn to adapt to those changes. Besides, there are many more ways to market to prospecitve buyers without using those darn pop ups. I'd like for them to vanish as soon as possible.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Montgomery
                      Sounds pretty exciting if you ask me.

                      I think I'll check out Chrome
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                    • Profile picture of the author dar
                      I've downloaded Chrome and love using it, but i don't think it will replace IE anytime soon.

                      Most of the people who use IE think it *is* the internet. It's amazing how many people in the world can barely even turn on a computer.
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                    • Profile picture of the author MarcusXavier
                      the internet is always evolving and will continue to do so. it's great to be on top of all the changes, but instead of constantly worrying about how badly your business will suffer, focus on howthe changes can help further your business.

                      change really does equal opportunity, but only for the ones who learn to embrace it and adapt.

                      just my 2 cents
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                    • Profile picture of the author yutz08
                      I'm using Chrome right now. The speed is phenomenal compared to other search engine. Hope nothin' funny happening during the learning curve though. Us marketeers better got our acts together to compensate for
                      Chrome do's and don't. In the end, simple and straight forward marketing works the best.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
                        Originally Posted by dar View Post

                        I've downloaded Chrome and love using it, but i don't think it will replace IE anytime soon.

                        Most of the people who use IE think it *is* the internet. It's amazing how many people in the world can barely even turn on a computer.
                        Yeah, like AOL users who think AOL ***IS*** the internet.

                        Originally Posted by MarcusXavier View Post

                        the internet is always evolving and will continue to do so. it's great to be on top of all the changes, but instead of constantly worrying about how badly your business will suffer, focus on howthe changes can help further your business.

                        change really does equal opportunity, but only for the ones who learn to embrace it and adapt.

                        just my 2 cents
                        I agree Marcus. I think there's a great opportunity here. And I know I can do without the popups and slide-ins, etc. But as pointed out earlier, Chrome doesn't really block them yet anyway. Plus, I'm sure AJAX pop overs still work as well. Not that I care, I don't really use them. At least, not obtrusively. I usually make that kind of stuff a clickable link or activated on mouseover and it's not secretively either. I spell it out for people how to activate it if they want to. If not, so be it, don't.
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              • Profile picture of the author Matt Fulger
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Well, it won't affect me one bit.

                I don't use pop ups, I don't use slide ins, I don't use any of that crap.

                My sales pages are simple and to the point and make me a mint.

                Tricks don't make sales.

                Good content and good offers make sales.

                And one of these days, you guys are going to get that.
                Well said Steven! I really don't think it's going to be that big of a
                problem. Besides, marketers are innovators and will adapt and the
                tricksters...well...they will find new tricks.

                That being said, I do have a question.

                Speaking of world domination...

                Has anyone else had Google.com pretty much take over
                firefox? Maybe it's a setting somewhere or something, but
                on one of our PCs, google.com seems to take over firefox.
                It doesn't completely take it over, but for example, when
                we type in meebo.com...it goes to google.com. Yahoo.com
                also goes to Google. In fact, the majority of typed URLs
                go to Google.

                We're lucky to get outside the Google domain.

                Anyway, let me know if anyone else has had this problem
                and how you fixed it if you figured it out.

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              • Profile picture of the author JeremyL
                I think we have a winner! Here,here... Well said Mike.

                Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                The browser wars always cracked me up - whatever you prefer to use on a personal level is the best browser, no questions asked. Now forget about your personal choices and consider your visitor's choices.

                Hate IE? Don't want to work with it or exclude features that your FF visitors have? That's a poor business decision because like it or not, IE has a significant share of the browser market. Honestly, before I worry about FF, I make sure everything is perfect in IE because damn near 85% of my site's visitors use IE.

                You should hear me bitch about getting identical results in FF - we do it because that 15% or so market share they have is nothing to sneeze at. But I like to bitch about it, LOL.

                Chrome? Anyone's guess. We'll play with it, we'll test it and we'll try to identify any issues that it might present to visitors to our sites. If it takes off, then yes, we'll give more emphasis to supporting it.

                Folks, it's two entirely different arguments - what you use personally is your business. But you cannot and should not ignore what your visitors are using, especially if you're running high end scripts, CSS, etc. Then it becomes a matter of numbers - not what you prefer.
                And nipping close on his heals... cheers to you to Steven!

                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Well, it won't affect me one bit.

                I don't use pop ups, I don't use slide ins, I don't use any of that crap.

                My sales pages are simple and to the point and make me a mint.

                Tricks don't make sales.

                Good content and good offers make sales.

                And one of these days, you guys are going to get that.
                You couldn't add much to this... Do you care more about your own personal internet experience or taking care of your business that feeds you.

                Cheers
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                • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
                  I'm just curious... Why waste time with Pop-Ups? There are dozens of popup blockers in existence... and one built in to most any recent browser. If you want to use the popup experience to promote... then you better get used to creating smart web design... as in redirecting users based on their actions on your website.

                  Besides IE is a dominant force in the browser market because of Windows. This is how they pushed Netscape out of the market... and it is how they prevent Firefox from being the dominant browser. So another player in the game won't really affect IE.

                  Now for the anti-trust... I am surprised it hasn't happened already. Have you seen the tactics Google uses to push players out of the market? Look at Google Knol's... and Ezine Articles. Look at how practically every 3rd party web based application like Java, etc. automatically installs their crappy useless toolbar.

                  Until Microsoft's OS dominance is finished... their browser dominance will remain.
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              • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Well, it won't affect me one bit.

                I don't use pop ups, I don't use slide ins, I don't use any of that crap.

                My sales pages are simple and to the point and make me a mint.

                Tricks don't make sales.

                Good content and good offers make sales.

                And one of these days, you guys are going to get that.
                Some of us already do get that steven!

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            • Profile picture of the author KimW
              Originally Posted by Steve Peters View Post

              Blooming heck. You don't actually read do you ? - this is going to affect us. Pop ups won't be half as effective now. Google is containing them, and introducing technologies to reduce their impact.

              I guess if you don't care, so be it - but it's going to seriously affect people's conversion rates. Google Chrome is a major change and a major crackdown on a lot of the stuff we might use as marketers.

              It will only affect the market if people will actually use it. Look how they are marketing it..in a blooming comic book...so what market are they going after? ( Disclaimer, I have not seen the comic book.) I know people think the younger generation is what it's all about now, but the fact of the matter is that at least here in the USA, aprox 50% of the population is over 50. I haven't seen it, I haven't tried it, but unless there is some "wow" factor that I'm missing,which is very possible, I'm not going to be switching over anytime soon.
              By the way, I have almost 30 years in IT and I'm still an IE user
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            • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
              Originally Posted by Steve Peters View Post

              Blooming heck. You don't actually read do you ? - this is going to affect us. Pop ups won't be half as effective now. Google is containing them, and introducing technologies to reduce their impact.

              Newsflash: Popup blockers have been around for years. Firefox and IE both have them.
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          • Profile picture of the author Thomas
            I'm going to buck the trend and admit to LOVING IE as well. Why? I don't know. I just do.

            FireFox & Co. never tickled my fancy.

            Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

            Who cares... I don't give it a f... .
            Gosh, in all my life, that's the closest I've ever seen an Indian man come to swearing!

            Tommy.
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            • Big Mike - well said!

              (Tommy - the exact same thought crossed my mind - lol!)

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              • Profile picture of the author raiko
                Well, I run FF most of the time but use IE for testing as well. If you create web pages, testing in FF or another browser other than IE is a must. IE will render HTML differently than FF and many times messed up (non-compliant) HTML will render decently in IE but be garbled in FF since FF adheres to compliance. I see it quite often browsing warrior's web pages. IE only has 75% of the market so you don't want 1 in 4 of your viewers seeing a garbled page.

                Also, I don't see any pop-ups anyway as they can be disabled in FF and now IE7. I also have the no-script addon in FF so that no javascript will run on a page without my ok. So a lot of the things you are talking about (pop-ups, slide ins etc.) will not effect me or others with similar settings since I never saw them in the first place.
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                • Chrome will hit FF users far harder than IE users, for all their might Google can't get Chrome installed on a Windoze box as default which = FAIL .

                  If Chrome turns out to be the biz, alternative browsers will suffer the most , people who use IE could have already switched to FF, and they choose not to, there's nothing in Chrome which is going to be that appealing to the masses, I'm pretty sure my friends could give a crap whether Chrome is a "multi threaded, multi processing" browser or not.

                  If Google displays the download link on each countries home page, promiently, it may end up getting a bigger market share, but it will be lucky, even with their huge audience if it eats into 10% of standard IE users.

                  Just can't see the masses wanting to change away from what they know, Chrome is mainly about tech benefits and bog standard users don't give a flying crap.
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              • Profile picture of the author George Wright
                Hi All,

                Like Steven, I don't use popups and the other things. However it won't be 24 hours after Chrome comes out before there will be pop ups and the like for sale or even for free that will get around Chrome.

                I have Googles toolbar and it "stops" popups. No it doesn't.

                I've tried all other browsers that have come out and none of them, in my opinion are anywhere near as good as IE for surfing the net.

                It's just fashionable to bash the big guys. Most of the people I talk to off line who swear by FF or others don't even know why. It always boils down to "just because."

                Disclaimer:

                Before anyone jumps on me for using IE. Your right I don't know nothing about anything.

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              • Profile picture of the author dustinlemos
                The browser wars are never over. The web is going to continue to evolve, and this is Google's attempt at taking our medium to a new level of usability.

                The web has entered a service-based age where a great portion of our online tasks depend on applications that run through the browser. However browsers today still treat online applications as a secondary priority, almost like they're an afterthought.

                Chrome is about much more than w3c standards compliance or cool new features. It's aiming to completely change the way browsers operate. Will users be ready for it? We'll have to see. But these steps will have to be taken sooner or later, whether Google is behind it or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author drmani
        Originally Posted by Steve Peters View Post

        Perhaps you are right, but Google will leverage it's monopoly to crush the opposition, just as they have done with search. I can't see Firefox falling before IE though....
        Re: Google's search monopoly, this is interesting:

        Which Is Worth More? Product Search or Information Search?.

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        • Profile picture of the author Simon_Sezs
          I would be more curious if google chrome is going to implement the "privacy" surfing feature that the newest version of IE is touting. If that is the case, how are affiliates going to be able to protect sales (haven't tried it but it is my understanding that the privacy mode will prevent cookies from being dropped and as you know most affiliates depend on cookies to be credited the sale.)
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          • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
            Popups have been dead for ages.
            I don't use slide ins.

            This won't affect me at all - and marketers will just stop using what stops working.
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          • Profile picture of the author atom1980
            For those of you who give a damn (anyone?) you should definitely check out the COMIC BOOK that is selling Chromes benefits. I personally found it to be of interest. Chrome really does look interesting. And anyway, it is a pretty interesting approach that g00gle has used to begin marketing their new toy. Maybe some lessons can be learned from it? Yeah, even lessons like "that's a bad way to promote it," is valuable. Maybe... but it worked on me :-(

            As to why people prefer FF to IE. To each their own. I use FF personally. For one, I do like the add-ons which provide genuine benefits to me. I also feel safer using it to IE.
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            • Profile picture of the author Chuck Evans
              IF someone wants to download and take a look here's the link.
              http://www.google.com/chrome the link isn't live yet you will get a 404 page. It should be live at noon PST.

              There is a live video going on right now from California that started at 11 AM PST. You can view here.

              Chrome is much more then a browser according to some friends within Google - it will become an OS!

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  • Profile picture of the author Ragtime52
    Originally Posted by Steve Peters View Post


    I'd say three years from now, IE will be dead, Firefox at 30% - 40% and Google will have completed its switch to the dark side. Then look out for anti trust - because Google will have a near monopoly.
    I would guess that Chrome will take more market shares from Firefox than from IE.

    But with the dark side you are probably right...
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  • Originally Posted by Steve Peters View Post

    Hey guys,

    I've been reading some tech specs and the comic book for Chrome.

    Firefox = revenue per search / click on Google to the Firefox people
    IE = a straight out threat.

    Google will stay friendly with Firefox until IE is mortally wounded. Then they will turn their attention to Firefox. What is the point of feeding a competitior to destroy a larger competitor who is finished?

    I am very excited about Chrome, and can see it becoming my main browser.

    I'd say three years from now, IE will be dead, Firefox at 30% - 40% and Google will have completed its switch to the dark side. Then look out for anti trust - because Google will have a near monopoly. However our user experience will have improved vastly.

    So Chrome is coming what does this mean for us as marketers:


    • Severly reduced effectivesness of pop ups slide ins/ etc
    • Conversion rates down for a while as we get used to things
    • Advantage for the big boys - Google tends to keep top end features for preferred partners only - eg Android - in this case Adwords big spenders?
    • More browser fragmentation - makes sales page web design harder
    • The end of the IEs rubbish!!! Yeah!
    • End of Rapid Firefox Growth - Google no longer needs to pay them per click to compete with IE, so why harm Chromes chances
    • Apple dented - Safari will be almost still born outside Mac?
    • Increased integration with online / offfline web applications
    • Long Term... who knows? Antitrust stuff? Browser Nirvana
    • Far more secure and stable browsing in medium term...
    I think we are all going to have to pay attention to web design and conversion rates as Chrome appears over the next year!

    Remember change = opportunity.

    Bye bye IE rubbish and Firefox's silly constant updates. Hello Big G.

    Steve
    Well, IE is still my fav browser, but yeah, I really don’t like the constant updates of firefox. Let's see what the Big G has in store for us.

    Will Chrome be really powerful enough to take me away from IE? Let's see

    Arindam
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    OK, I just downloaded and am typing this post in Chrome. Man this thing is gonna take some getting used to.

    This is the cleanest browser I have ever ever seen and that is even including when I once went out of my way to clear almost everything off of Firefox. They talked about getting the browser out of the way and boy have they done it.

    Not sure if I like it or not yet...gonna have to spend some time on it.
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    What took Google so long?

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    • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
      Althought there may be a lot of users that hate IE... I still like IE... better than Firefox. I don't know what my opinion of Chrome will be.

      Those results are seriously skewed by the way... Put quotes around "I Hate IE" and the 6.x million results turn into 26,000. There are a lot of results that won't amount to anything other than including the words "I Hate"... and there are also results that are just spam pages that don't amount to anything more than optimizing the for the keywords "I Hate IE" just to make a buck on something like referring downloads of Firefox... although this is no longer available. I am sure Chrome has something to do with that... just like Ezine Article rankings experienced a drop when Google Knol's were created.
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    Google Chrome to navigate.
    Firefox to develop websites.
    IE to..I dont't know to what...



    But If I would have to choose one , it would be Firefox.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
      Originally Posted by blueriver View Post

      Google Chrome to navigate.
      Firefox to develop websites.
      IE to..I dont't know to what...



      But If I would have to choose one , it would be Firefox.
      But why dredge up a three-and-a-half year old thread to say that?
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      • Profile picture of the author IMAnthony
        Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

        But why dredge up a three-and-a-half year old thread to say that?
        Two reasons:

        Still is the same..IE ...I don´t know to what...

        And I did not see the date... I guess this is the less important reason but any way ...:rolleyes:
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        • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
          !!!! I just spent 30 minutes reading the first page of this thread before seeing it was from 3 years ago - fuuuuu

          I used to be a big fan of Netscape before AOL ruined them....

          Funny when I analyze my stats most of my customers are still using FF then IE....so Chrome hasn't saturated the market place like the OP predicted
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          • Profile picture of the author Harvey Segal
            Originally Posted by Martin.Avis View Post

            But why dredge up a three-and-a-half year old thread to say that?
            Originally Posted by blueriver View Post

            And I did not see the date...


            Ironically, the OP made a prediction
            Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

            I'd say three years from now, IE will be dead, Firefox at 30% - 40%

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