Scary, $800/mth for Less then $5...

by add2it 58 replies


Yes, you are seeing that right... I took that picture last week in a software store in Thailand.

That's what you get as a StomperNet member for $800/mth... in this store for 1,500 THB (a little below US $5).

Isn't is scary how easy it is to rip off an excellent product like StomperNet?

I didn't buy it myself there as I have information overload already anyway, but wanted to share this with all warriors, less as an invitation to visit Thailand and buy it cheap, but more as a conversation starter on thoughts on how to protect your intellectual property.

What do you think?
#main internet marketing discussion forum #$800 or mth #scary
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  • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
    WTF... even ad sense videos by Michael Cheney are there... Can you please PM me with the details so that I can report it to Michael and he takes proper action?
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    • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
      Hi Frank,

      If only those thieves knew the real value of what they are ripping off!

      Warner Bros, Disney, and many more blue chips get ripped off in exactly
      the same way. It's a multi-million dollar industry & they don't care what
      they steal.. music, video, software.

      The guy that comes out with the method to prevent this will make a lot
      of money.

      John
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    • Profile picture of the author add2it
      Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

      WTF... even ad sense videos by Michael Cheney are there... Can you please PM me with the details so that I can report it to Michael and he takes proper action?
      All I can tell is that is was on the top floor in the Tucom PC Center in Pattaya Beach, Thailand.

      I believe Michael knows already that his software on sale there... he was told by a friend of mine that lives in Pattaya Beach.
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      • Profile picture of the author Scott Lundergan
        Originally Posted by add2it View Post

        All I can tell is that is was on the top floor in the Tucom PC Center in Pattaya Beach, Thailand.

        I believe Michael knows already that his software on sale there... he was told by a friend of mine that lives in Pattaya Beach.
        When I was in Pattaya, I'm pretty sure some of the sailing crew I worked with went there.
        Pirated movies were selling on the main streets as well, just right off the beach of Pattaya.

        In fact, when we got off the ship in Vietnam, they had an ENTIRE STAND of pirated movies just waiting to be bought.

        In Hong Kong, everyone goes to this place called "Shim Shuey Poh" (or however it's spelled) to get all kinds of software, movies, computers for next to nothing. I think Adobe Premiere was like $5 and Pro Tools audio editing software was like $3. I have no clue if it worked, but I was very curious to see it, so I went and was amazed at what I saw.

        It is really fascinating to see it all from another cultural point of view.

        Scott
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    • Profile picture of the author Mac Wheeler
      Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

      WTF... even ad sense videos by Michael Cheney are there... Can you please PM me with the details so that I can report it to Michael and he takes proper action?
      As an ex-pat living in Thailand, I have to tell you right now that there is absolutely no chance of anyone taking any action. Piracy is rife here, and present in almost every shopping mall, right under the noses of the authorities. The boys in brown receive their little contributions toward their retirement fund each week to turn a blind eye.

      In a country where vote buying is the norm, do you really think they care about somebody ripping off a few eBooks?
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    • Originally Posted by lakshaybehl View Post

      WTF... even ad sense videos by Michael Cheney are there... Can you please PM me with the details so that I can report it to Michael and he takes proper action?
      Action? What, are you kidding? What "action" would he take, call the store and ask them to pull his product down because it's an unauthorized copy?

      No offense meant, but you must be living under a rock if this surprises you, and more so if you think a guy living in Britain can take some 'action' to keep his stuff from being sold in Thailand.

      It sucks, it's a real problem. But as has been pointed out, companies with entire staff's and seven-figure anti-pirating budgets can't do a thing in most of these situations. Often, there aren't even avenues to pursue, and laws in some of these countries don't even exist, or are unenforceable.

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      • Profile picture of the author snakez0r
        Originally Posted by internetmarketer99 View Post

        Action? What, are you kidding? What "action" would he take, call the store and ask them to pull his product down because it's an unauthorized copy?

        No offense meant, but you must be living under a rock if this surprises you, and more so if you think a guy living in Britain can take some 'action' to keep his stuff from being sold in Thailand.

        It sucks, it's a real problem. But as has been pointed out, companies with entire staff's and seven-figure anti-pirating budgets can't do a thing in most of these situations. Often, there aren't even avenues to pursue, and laws in some of these countries don't even exist, or are unenforceable.

        Mark
        First intelligent post i've read in this thread.

        Mark's on the money!

        Oh and it also helps with tourism. Let's go to Thailand, I hear it's awesome this time of year, oh and we can buy like 50 new release movies on DVD for $2 each! yay!
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  • Profile picture of the author Gary Huynh
    Interesting find Frank. Yeah, I've seen some interesting products being pirated in some SE Asian countries. Most people in those countries cannot afford to pay the full price of some of the training anyway so they're not a customer to begin with.

    Trying to protect your products from people who aren't going to buy in the first place is not a good use of your time. It's better to focus on your existing customer base.
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    • Profile picture of the author lakshaybehl
      Originally Posted by Gary Huynh View Post

      Interesting find Frank. Yeah, I've seen some interesting products being pirated in some SE Asian countries. Most people in those countries cannot afford to pay the full price of some of the training anyway so they're not a customer to begin with.

      Trying to protect your products from people who aren't going to buy in the first place is not a good use of your time. It's better to focus on your existing customer base.
      Come on.. I can't believe it.

      That's piracy and copyright infringement at its best. Needs to be dealt with.
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    • Profile picture of the author add2it
      Originally Posted by Gary Huynh View Post

      Yeah, I've seen some interesting products being pirated in some SE Asian countries. Most people in those countries cannot afford to pay the full price of some of the training anyway so they're not a customer to begin with.

      Trying to protect your products from people who aren't going to buy in the first place is not a good use of your time. It's better to focus on your existing customer base.
      I have not seen Internet Marketing products there before... but regular software products. They have them in Bali, Indonesia as well as Manila, Philippines as well. Well... those are at least places where I noticed them before.

      To some degree I agree with you... those that buy the products there most likely can't afford to buy them at regular price. Still, from the developers point of view I have a hard time to accept this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jenni Mac
        The real shock is that anyone is surprised by this! If man can make it, man can copy it!

        I used to sell designer clothes, not fake or counterfeit, but the real deal. It got so difficult trying to source the real stuff that it was one of the reasons I gave up. Not only that, to make a living when you're being undercut by as much as 75% by the fake merchants and there's little point carry on!

        You can fake EVERYTHING!
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        • Profile picture of the author alex84
          I'm in Phuket at the moment and haven't seen anything like this. I'll be in Bangkok at the beginning of October, and I'm pretty sure it will be possible to find pirated DVD like those in Pattaya. If I find anything, I'll be sure to let the right person know about it.

          On a side note, it is probably useless to try anything against those people, as they probably pay the police a nice little sum to keep their eyes shut. Corruption in Thailand is pretty common.
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          • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
            You will find it is a huge problem in Asia. When we lived in China we bought a new computer there. You are asked if you want windows in Chinese or English. We obviously said we wanted English as we don't speak Chinese. They said no problem, but then my husband asked for original software and not a copy. They were shocked, they said it will cost you RMB 100 more to have original software, and why would you want it when the copy works well. It wasn't about stealing, it was to them the cheap solution worked perfectly well. The same thing happened in Hong Kong when we bought a laptop here.
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            • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
              Come on.. I can't believe it.

              That's piracy and copyright infringement at its best. Needs to be dealt with.
              If multi-billion dollar international companies (Microsoft, Sony, etc), whom even have offices in those countries,
              can't stop it...

              How can a small business owner or marketer?

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            • Profile picture of the author flnz400
              Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

              It wasn't about stealing, it was to them the cheap solution worked perfectly well. The same thing happened in Hong Kong when we bought a laptop here.
              But it IS about stealing. They choose to lead their lives telling themselves it's just a cheaper solution, when in reality, it's not different than if I stole your car.

              Oh, you're upset? Sorry, it was cheaper than the dealership!
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              • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
                Originally Posted by flnz400 View Post

                But it IS about stealing. They choose to lead their lives telling themselves it's just a cheaper solution, when in reality, it's not different than if I stole your car.

                Oh, you're upset? Sorry, it was cheaper than the dealership!
                Did you read what I wrote, or what you thought I wrote.

                I said we wanted original software.

                You are missing that it is a mindset problem that people have. They are not taught it is theft, they are so used to the cheaper solution.

                I don't have a car, and it is totally different situation, and a stupid comparison. It is about changing the mindset of people in Asia and understanding what the problem is. Once you know the cultural problem you can then start to deal with it.

                Isn't it interesting that people pick up the problem in Asia, yet when someone points out that people on sites are giving away products, they are told not to be concerned about it. Talk about a double standard.
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                • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
                  Hey Bev,

                  You are 100% on the button....

                  We visited Thailand and went to both Bangkok and Pattaya and
                  in both places you could find knock-offs of every type of product.
                  From designer clothing to watches to cameras etc...

                  It is unfortunately, a mindset problem where the people actually
                  don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. Largely I think
                  the government is in cahoots with them because it's very seldom
                  that you find them cracking down on this trade.

                  It's also a pity to see how young girls get sold into prostitution
                  by their families.....I mean how many of you would sell your
                  daughters into prostitution rings?

                  Totally different mindsets......

                  Regards

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                • Profile picture of the author flnz400
                  Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                  Did you read what I wrote, or what you thought I wrote.

                  I said we wanted original software.

                  You are missing that it is a mindset problem that people have. They are not taught it is theft, they are so used to the cheaper solution.

                  I don't have a car, and it is totally different situation, and a stupid comparison. It is about changing the mindset of people in Asia and understanding what the problem is. Once you know the cultural problem you can then start to deal with it.

                  Isn't it interesting that people pick up the problem in Asia, yet when someone points out that people on sites are giving away products, they are told not to be concerned about it. Talk about a double standard.
                  So because a different culture doesn't support the same value structure, that makes it ok? Seems a bit naive to me.

                  You were right about one thing though: I was quick to jump on this poke at theft. Which had me thinking... Why is there such a casual brush off when it comes to digital theft? Myself included, as in, "oh, it comes with the territory, blah blah, (insert preferred phrase here)."

                  I think the difference is in the recognition. The reference of a "physical" item relates to a larger number of "theft experiences" or memories in the subconscious, which also targets a larger group of people.

                  Oh and Bev, even though your response did seem a bit rude, I apologize if you were offended. I thought my half-hearted joking post was indicated by the smilie. I did just notice one thing though. I didn't realize you were still in Hong Kong and I can see the reality of this situation hit home with much more significance than those of us who are over here in the US.
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                • Profile picture of the author Floyd Fisher
                  Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                  Did you read what I wrote, or what you thought I wrote.

                  I said we wanted original software.

                  You are missing that it is a mindset problem that people have. They are not taught it is theft, they are so used to the cheaper solution.

                  I don't have a car, and it is totally different situation, and a stupid comparison. It is about changing the mindset of people in Asia and understanding what the problem is. Once you know the cultural problem you can then start to deal with it.

                  Isn't it interesting that people pick up the problem in Asia, yet when someone points out that people on sites are giving away products, they are told not to be concerned about it. Talk about a double standard.
                  Here's a question for you.

                  Do you understand what it would take to stamp out such piracy. Do you have the kind of deep pockets it would take to pull it off?

                  If got that kind of money lying around, feel free to fire away.
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                  • Profile picture of the author virtualpro
                    I believed if you find them in Thailand, chance are they're now already over the world. China, India are bigger market. The one who sold them have no clue what they're selling, they just download everything from some illegal websites and sell it.

                    And chance are 99.9% percent of people here don't have a clue what is internet marketing, those who really know IM need to have a good English skill, which most of Thai native don't.

                    The thing that need to deal with is those illegal websites. If someone can get rids of those websites, the game is over.

                    And furthermore, 99% of those who buy pirated IM products may won't successful in IM because they don't value or understand about intellectual property.

                    People can copy and distribute digital product for mass marketing easily, with low budget, but I don't see how it could be done with well printed, full color IM weekly or monthly newspaper.
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                    • Profile picture of the author VinceNouvel
                      Originally Posted by virtualpro View Post

                      I believed if you find them in Thailand, chance are they're now already over the world. China, India are bigger market. The one who sold them have no clue what they're selling, they just download everything from some illegal websites and sell it.

                      And chance are 99.9% percent of people here don't have a clue what is internet marketing, those who really know IM need to have a good English skill, which most of Thai native don't.

                      The thing that need to deal with is those illegal websites. If someone can get rids of those websites, the game is over.

                      And furthermore, 99% of those who buy pirated IM products may won't successful in IM because they don't value or understand about intellectual property.

                      People can copy and distribute digital product for mass marketing easily, with low budget, but I don't see how it could be done with well printed, full color IM weekly or monthly newspaper.
                      Ok we totally have different point of view here.. Being someone who come from third world countries.. I do feel pirated stuff help us a lot in our economy since ppl earn as low as $10/mo there is no way that they could afford to buy $1000 software. I know you know about all this. Pirated stuff is the only way to go, to connect and keep updated with the world.

                      Example: Kids do learn how to use Visual Basic, C++, Fox Pro, Photoshop, and other Macromedia products ever since they were in the junior high - high school. There is no way you ll be able to afford that in the west.. This is the ultimate advantage..
                      I am not pro with pirated stuff, but it really does help those in poor country
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                      • Profile picture of the author virtualpro
                        You're right if they're for learning purposed. And it is good thing for company since they got more potential customer, illegal is a good way to advertise it. Why? Because western tend to set too high price for those who in developing country.

                        But when things get more serious, and people start making money from what they learned or the software they use. They should pay for the legal copy.
                        A good 3dsMax license cost about 2 years salary for Thai people, I see that's insane! It give quite a bad ROI, but we did pay it anyway until something like SketchUp which cost about 2 months salary come out.

                        In my experience, the more I pay the more I make money because I got thing that have less competitor.

                        And your business're doomed if someone or your competitor know you bought something illegal in some business.

                        Nice discussion here.

                        Lee

                        Originally Posted by VinceNouvel View Post

                        Ok we totally have different point of view here.. Being someone who come from third world countries.. I do feel pirated stuff help us a lot in our economy since ppl earn as low as $10/mo there is no way that they could afford to buy $1000 software. I know you know about all this. Pirated stuff is the only way to go, to connect and keep updated with the world.

                        Example: Kids do learn how to use Visual Basic, C++, Fox Pro, Photoshop, and other Macromedia products ever since they were in the junior high - high school. There is no way you ll be able to afford that in the west.. This is the ultimate advantage..
                        I am not pro with pirated stuff, but it really does help those in poor country
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                      • Profile picture of the author dbh
                        Originally Posted by VinceNouvel View Post

                        Ok we totally have different point of view here.. Being someone who come from third world countries.. I do feel pirated stuff help us a lot in our economy since ppl earn as low as $10/mo there is no way that they could afford to buy $1000 software. I know you know about all this. Pirated stuff is the only way to go, to connect and keep updated with the world.

                        Example: Kids do learn how to use Visual Basic, C++, Fox Pro, Photoshop, and other Macromedia products ever since they were in the junior high - high school. There is no way you ll be able to afford that in the west.. This is the ultimate advantage..
                        I am not pro with pirated stuff, but it really does help those in poor country

                        Although I can understand your reasoning here, it still is wrong, period. It is still theft. And I think its more about the bootleggers making a profit then it is the benefit of which you speak.....

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                        • Profile picture of the author logocheckout
                          Originally Posted by dbh View Post

                          Although I can understand your reasoning here, it still is wrong, period. It is still theft. And I think its more about the bootleggers making a profit then it is the benefit of which you speak.....

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                      • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
                        Originally Posted by VinceNouvel View Post

                        Ok we totally have different point of view here.. Being someone who come from third world countries.. I do feel pirated stuff help us a lot in our economy since ppl earn as low as $10/mo there is no way that they could afford to buy $1000 software. I know you know about all this. Pirated stuff is the only way to go, to connect and keep updated with the world.

                        Example: Kids do learn how to use Visual Basic, C++, Fox Pro, Photoshop, and other Macromedia products ever since they were in the junior high - high school. There is no way you ll be able to afford that in the west.. This is the ultimate advantage..
                        I am not pro with pirated stuff, but it really does help those in poor country
                        Wow, what a great post! A point of view I would never have known.
                        The net and digital media will truly be the great equalizer. I like that thought a lot!

                        Thanks for this perspective!

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                    • Profile picture of the author add2it
                      Originally Posted by virtualpro View Post

                      The thing that need to deal with is those illegal websites. If someone can get rids of those websites, the game is over.
                      I agree... that's where the stores get their "merchandise" from anyway.

                      So if there would be a way for e.g. Interpol or any other international police force to shut down domains, maybe even IP's... that would be the solution against all the problems.
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                  • Profile picture of the author logocheckout
                    Majority of people are looking for savings. It is wrong to purchase copies because it takes away from the hard work of the developer and owner.
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisgarrett
    Originally Posted by add2it View Post


    That's what you get as a StomperNet member for $800/mth... in this store for 1,500 THB (a little below US $5).
    I shouldn't be surprised but I am!

    You expect block buster films to be sold by dodgy merchants but I never expected something so non-mainstream.

    Having said that, I became more anti piracy the day a friend sent me a PDF of the first book I coauthored that he had found on p2p

    Talking of which, I just did a search and the stompernet stuff is out there to just bloomin' download, so I guess that is where they get this stuff from in the first place :confused:
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
      I can understand seeing some of the big corps getting ripped off from name brands copycats but seeing IM products being ripped off on shelfs of walk in stores is just pathetic....

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  • If warner brother, disney, and microsoft cant prevent pirating of their products, what chance do little guys like us have?
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
      My wife's sister lives in China. She now lives in Beijing but she used to live in smaller towns. Those towns have bootleg stores almost everywhere she was saying. You can get movie dvd's even before they are released in the stores.

      She asked somebody if that was illegal and was told "we are a long way from Beijing"
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      • Profile picture of the author marxwarfor
        Actually the price is 45-50 bucks 'not' $5, the math is wrong...yet, that's neither here nor there...

        anyway that's not the point.....this stuff is rampant here, I know, I live here...

        What I find interesting though, in the 7 years as a resident, I haven't come across one 'ethical person' who hasn't fessed up to buying a cheap movie or cd to take home with them.

        To see a person walk by their favourite dvd or music cd, on the beach here and say - "oh no, I pass, because those are pirated and I don't want to be any part of that"...is basically unheard of.

        Do I condone this, of course not!!..but what I'm saying is that there is very often a little devil inside most people that peruse these stores, who may put their scruples and ethics aside, just for that 'one occasion' and succumb to the temptation.

        When peoples' eyes light up and see Pulp Fiction or Shawshank Redemption for $2, more often than not, people will give in and say - "ahh, the hell with it, just this one time one hurt"

        I see it all the time - it's not good, but it's a part of life here and as other people have posted, these locals just don't see anything wrong with it - it's quite sad actually

        Plus, I'd would always be scared that if a pirated cd rom was inserted into my iMac, that some little glitch or defect on the disk, would screw up my hard-drive - no thank you!

        I'll take the real McCoy any day - peace of mind is a wonderful thing!

        Pay the real price for the real software, or pay the price to get your hard-drive taken apart and put back together, because of some bum disk that f$%#*d your computer? - this is a no-brainer
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        • Profile picture of the author add2it
          Originally Posted by marxwarfor View Post

          Actually the price is 45-50 bucks 'not' $5, the math is wrong...yet, that's neither here nor there...
          You are right... my mistake, thinking back, yes... it was only 150 THB for each CD.

          Anyway... from the Internet Marketers point of view a solution for this would be great, but not something we should we should loose out sleep about.

          At least it's not like people come into your store and steal what you have on your shelf that you actually paid money for to display there. What we are loosing here is "just" potential income.

          Worse then this right now is what is happening since May while accepting payments via 2Checkout! I noticed an increase in affiliate fraud attempts where people become affiliates and then use stolen credit card numbers to buy from their own affiliate link in order to get the cash before the transaction blows.

          Anybody else noticing this?

          This kind of fraud is even worse then the copied CD's as it actually costs you money out of your pocket! At least in my humble opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author add2it
        Originally Posted by imblueprint View Post

        I do believe some rich countries also has piracy problems.
        Yes, it's a problem there too... mainly because of file sharing systems. But you will not find copies in regular stores being sold in public.

        Somebody else was asking why the police in the shopping centers doesn't take action against it... simply because copies are not necessarily considered illegal in those countries or that part of the law is at least not enforced.

        Another person commented that he would be happy if his software was so popular that it's even sold illegally in Thailand... that's a very healthy way of looking at it. Better then getting a stomach ache over it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chris Lockwood
        No offense to the creators of those products, but I doubt they sell very well in a shop in Thailand.

        Video games and movies and software like Windows, yes, but not IM products.

        Even here in the US, I'd have to ask 1000 people on the street to find one who had heard of Stompernet. The general public who aren't into IM would have no idea what that was. Imagine how it would be for a lesser-known IM product.

        So in a country where English isn't the primary language, I can't imagine these bootleg products doing well... at least not until this was posted here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Noah Fleming
          Originally Posted by Chris Lockwood View Post

          No offense to the creators of those products, but I doubt they sell very well in a shop in Thailand.

          Video games and movies and software like Windows, yes, but not IM products.

          Even here in the US, I'd have to ask 1000 people on the street to find one who had heard of Stompernet. The general public who aren't into IM would have no idea what that was. Imagine how it would be for a lesser-known IM product.

          So in a country where English isn't the primary language, I can't imagine these bootleg products doing well... at least not until this was posted here.
          I could actually imagine them doing very well. A large number of Internet Marketers are from that part of the world. Not to mention the Internet Marketing customer base is HUGE worldwide.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chirag
    Wow that's absolutey crazy. Hmmm I'll be going to Pattaya in 3 weeks. Might just go check it out to see what's the deal!


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    • Originally Posted by Chirag View Post

      Wow that's absolutey crazy. Hmmm I'll be going to Pattaya in 3 weeks. Might just go check it out to see what's the deal!


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      Yeah...for 10 bucks, you can get a good Stompernet video and a 2-hour massage. Any why is it everyone here is going or has been to Thailand lately?
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      • Profile picture of the author violationz
        Originally Posted by killercopy View Post

        why is it everyone here is going or has been to Thailand lately?
        For the StomperNet discount of course!
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        • Profile picture of the author Nizzura
          Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post

          My wife's sister lives in China. She now lives in Beijing but she used to live in smaller towns. Those towns have bootleg stores almost everywhere she was saying. You can get movie dvd's even before they are released in the stores.

          She asked somebody if that was illegal and was told "we are a long way from Beijing"
          Hi guys,

          Do you know the direct translation of the word "copyright" in the country?

          Copyright = Copy is right

          Just my 2 cents

          Nizzura
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        • Profile picture of the author joshbond
          Wow, that is absolulty amazing. I mean sure you see regular stuff like Warner and Disney over there all the time but who would of thought they would selling this stuff.

          Makes you wonder how they even got it in the first place though. damn.
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      • Profile picture of the author add2it
        Originally Posted by killercopy View Post

        Yeah...for 10 bucks, you can get a good Stompernet video and a 2-hour massage. Any why is it everyone here is going or has been to Thailand lately?
        1 1/2 hours foot massage = 200 THB (= $5.88)

        1 cold beer in the hotel = 55 THB (= $1.62)

        1 cold beer with a view = 150 THB (= $4.41)

        1 hour of whatever you like = 1000 THB (= $29.41)

        The last one I just heard from a friend, so I can't confirm.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scott Ames
    Originally Posted by ioppp View Post

    tricks of money-
    earnbox.info)
    Stop spamming the entire board with your freakin link. Geez.
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  • Profile picture of the author MommyEnterprises
    That is so crazy! Is there anything that can be done?
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    • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
      Just a little twist on the subject... I dream of the day when something
      I created becomes so popular and well known that I see pictures of pirated
      copies being sold off store shelves in Thailand... lol

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    • Profile picture of the author Aldian Prakoso
      Like Bev stated it's very common in Asia. Here's in Jakarta, Indonesia, there's not just pirated softwares but also DVD movies... sold for less than $1. There are even Xerox version of published books.
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  • Profile picture of the author imb
    The people who produce these discs are big time pirates. I've no idea how they operate and how they can "legally" sell in urban shopping malls where there are cops all over.
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  • Profile picture of the author snakez0r
    If you don't activate your Windows OS it will cease to work, or they just don't let you get any of the updates from the website. Something like that, it's been a long time since I've tried one
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  • Profile picture of the author icyguy
    It is very likely these kinda things happen in ASIA. The awareness of buying the original software was not imposed with disciplines by the Country Government. That happens with local artiste the number of pirated music are 5 times bigger in circulation let's say an artist made 10,000 CD sales then in the real world is like 50,000 CD sales.

    Usually what happen is this the giant company that produce these CDs also produce the pirated version to cover their promo cost with using third party service and pay people. You can not do anything about it unless the real people behind it are being replaced.

    A few bands use an interesting manuever like if they are going for the big concert they bought these pirated CDs rather than buy back from the Record Label (Where they pay 70% of retail price) and then use this as a media of promotion sell of like make U$1 profit (means a lot in South East Country)

    My suggestion if you want to ban don't waste your time you would be dealing with largest network. How to response with it is clever marketing tactics and use the weapon as a marketing tools build branding.

    I know not everyone will be happy especially the artist or producer or publisher but for this we all have to minimize risk and maximise output. Any clever idea to counter pirated ?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Zalesky
    Originally Posted by add2it View Post



    Yes, you are seeing that right... I took that picture last week in a software store in Thailand.

    That's what you get as a StomperNet member for $800/mth... in this store for 1,500 THB (a little below US $5).

    Isn't is scary how easy it is to rip off an excellent product like StomperNet?

    I didn't buy it myself there as I have information overload already anyway, but wanted to share this with all warriors, less as an invitation to visit Thailand and buy it cheap, but more as a conversation starter on thoughts on how to protect your intellectual property.

    What do you think?


    I spent 6 years in the Navy and almost all the ports we pulled into in the Asian Pacific area had this on display for sale to us Americans. In Hong Kong they would grab us at the market wanting to show us a special deal leading us to a private room with thousands of ripped off software and videos for dirt cheap. I remeber the first time I went we where scared @)@)#@# that they were going to mug us in the back alley.


    This is nothing new and it is pretty much going to stay like this. People can report it but they just move to another location. I have been to Hong Kong around 11 times and each time they would get us and take us to this private area and each time it was in a different spot.

    Anyway I wouldnt worry about it cause only a handful of people ever buy it.


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  • Profile picture of the author Suthan M
    This pretty much explains the reason why i dont want to sell anything in my own country and other SE countries.. I just dont want to deal with this type of craziness.
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  • Profile picture of the author add2it
    Well, for sure the US is the biggest customer base. Even at Australian seminars they teach not to aim for the local market (20 Million people in Australia), but for the world market... which is primarily the US with 360+ Million people (or so).

    Why are the US the main target to sell to? Simple... tons of cash, lot's of people, entrepreneurial spirit, English first language (not all of them ).

    But in Asian countries there are huge number of people interested in IM too, I was at the World Internet Mega Summit in Singapore in May 2007... over 3,000 attendees, mainly Asian.

    Why is it harder for us to sell to them? Simple as well... a LOT less cash, even though there are lot's of people, and they are also have an entrepreneurial spirit, but English is often the second language (like for me ).

    But you also right Chris... the "general" public that slowly deteriorates in their "jobs" is not aware of things like e.g. StomperNet... and even more scary (for me) of things like Add2it and ViralURL!

    And this will not change until IM'ers advertise in mainstream media like TV, radio, Newspapers etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Lam
    According to XE.com, 1500 baht is about $43. I was in Pattaya Beach in 2006. They have all kinds of pirated stuff, not to mention scary he-she's! Okay, they're more formally known as katoey (kah-toy). I was with a group of friends and the shortest guy kept getting grabbed, lol. Poor guy.
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