Why always positive reviews?

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The crap, rehashed WSOs sometimes are released. But i dont know why some reputed marketers always give them POSITIVE reviews. Is this vendor's requirement when they give out the free review copies? How do you think about this?
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  • Profile picture of the author Monja
    Most products have a money back guarantee so I'd rather buy them and come up with my owner opinion than waisting time reading the reviews. I have no idea if they are fake or not but you know, what is bad for one person might be great for the other :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author sscot
      Originally Posted by Monja View Post

      what is bad for one person might be great for the other :-)
      If most of "How to" (IM) products are bad for you, it means, you're GREAT.
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  • Profile picture of the author mpluto
    Nah... If you would only know how SOME of these WSO's get created. It's like whole mafia working on this

    All the reviews and everything else is pre-written, positive posts are strategically pre-planned, people from overseas are hired to defend any negative reviews, etc.

    It's like a theater, you have the stage, the actors, the "happy audience"... The only thing that's left out is you paying money to join the "success group".

    It is a shame though. I plan to launch my very honest WSO, no actors, no "happy audience", we'll see how it goes compared to others.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by mpluto View Post

      Nah... If you would only know how SOME of these WSO's get created. It's like whole mafia working on this

      All the reviews and everything else is pre-written, positive posts are strategically pre-planned, people from overseas are hired to defend any negative reviews, etc.

      It's like a theater, you have the stage, the actors, the "happy audience"... The only thing that's left out is you paying money to join the "success group".

      It is a shame though. I plan to launch my very honest WSO, no actors, no "happy audience", we'll see how it goes compared to others.

      Haha a mafia working on WSO's! Funny stuff It's the truth though sometimes...
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      Lmao. Yeah were Mafia dude so you better not mess with us.
      People give good reviews all the time cause you wash my back I wash yours.
      That is why I might give a review once every three months. I actually do it more than that but I do do honest reviews and alot of people do here, they just don't get posted is all.
      Originally Posted by mpluto View Post

      Nah... If you would only know how SOME of these WSO's get created. It's like whole mafia working on this

      All the reviews and everything else is pre-written, positive posts are strategically pre-planned, people from overseas are hired to defend any negative reviews, etc.

      It's like a theater, you have the stage, the actors, the "happy audience"... The only thing that's left out is you paying money to join the "success group".

      It is a shame though. I plan to launch my very honest WSO, no actors, no "happy audience", we'll see how it goes compared to others.
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      • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
        Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

        I actually do it more than that but I do do honest reviews and alot of people do here, they just don't get posted is all.
        This practice should be frowned upon. Review copy reviews shouldn't be sent to the seller for them to decide what gets posted. They should be posted directly to the thread, positive or negative.
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    • Profile picture of the author JasonChan
      Originally Posted by mpluto View Post

      Nah... If you would only know how SOME of these WSO's get created. It's like whole mafia working on this

      All the reviews and everything else is pre-written, positive posts are strategically pre-planned, people from overseas are hired to defend any negative reviews, etc.

      It's like a theater, you have the stage, the actors, the "happy audience"... The only thing that's left out is you paying money to join the "success group".

      It is a shame though. I plan to launch my very honest WSO, no actors, no "happy audience", we'll see how it goes compared to others.
      talk about "theater"! some people make this LITERAL - they have live seminars, and hire actors to sit in the audience, and when they ask "who's already made 1 million dollars using my system?", these actors put their hands up. most of them put both hands up for effect.
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    • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
      Originally Posted by mpluto View Post

      Nah... If you would only know how SOME of these WSO's get created. It's like whole mafia working on this

      All the reviews and everything else is pre-written, positive posts are strategically pre-planned, people from overseas are hired to defend any negative reviews, etc.

      It's like a theater, you have the stage, the actors, the "happy audience"... The only thing that's left out is you paying money to join the "success group".

      It is a shame though. I plan to launch my very honest WSO, no actors, no "happy audience", we'll see how it goes compared to others.
      I wonder how a new online marketing be when they create their first own product and launch it at WSO.. Because they don't have any 'mafia' backing them. Lol
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      • Profile picture of the author mpluto
        Originally Posted by jfalxr View Post

        I wonder how a new online marketing be when they create their first own product and launch it at WSO.. Because they don't have any 'mafia' backing them. Lol
        And that's a question I try to find the answer to. I was offered in person to do WSO's by big boys and as soon as I mention that I am not interested to rip people off or do anything unethical, the other person's eyes went down and he said he'll talk to partners and get back to me.

        News spread really quick and nobody offered me to do WSO's together anymore. Not only that, everyone stopped offering me anything at all. I left the "circle of friends" after that.

        To be very honest, it felt very disgusting. And if you would only know what kinds of words are used when they refer to buyers of WSO's, the people who pay them money.

        I am not saying every WSO is like this. There are many legitimate WSO's. For example, collections of graphics, honest reports, etc.

        I seriously wish that someone would open up some sort of legitimate WSO (or something similar) offers and filter out the rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    I've seen this all, and I always wonder where the unhappy buyers hide?
    It's make me think either if they are fake reviews posted by friends or someone associated with them.

    The truth is, you'll never see a bad review on a WSO thread
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    • Profile picture of the author baokhau
      Originally Posted by Moneymaker2012 View Post

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      The truth is, you'll never see a bad review on a WSO thread
      Few WSOs get negative reviews and the sellers either:
      i) Shut them down quickly OR
      ii) Relaunch them as the free WSOs in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by Moneymaker2012 View Post

      I've seen this all, and I always wonder where the unhappy buyers hide?
      It's make me think either if they are fake reviews posted by friends or someone associated with them.

      The truth is, you'll never see a bad review on a WSO thread
      Originally Posted by baokhau View Post

      Few WSOs get negative reviews and the sellers either:
      i) Shut them down quickly OR
      ii) Relaunch them as the free WSOs in the future.
      I don't know where you two get this from ...either you have difficulty with reading comprehension or you just type anything that comes to your mind whether it's true or not.

      I've seen so many WSO threads go down in total flames with pages and pages of bad reviews and refund requests. It only takes a little looking around to notice them ...
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  • Profile picture of the author DoubleOhDave
    I review a lot of WSOs, but only leave reviews if I think the WSO worthwhile, otherwise I remain silent. I'm sure that has pissed off a few people, but what the hell... As for positive reviews from others... They may well have liked the product, or just had a prior relationship with the creator. As with buying anything else in life, it's a case of "buyer beware".
    Though, I do think it becomes easier and easier over time to spot what is worthwhile.
    Also, try to have a plan for what you will do with a WSO.. such as whether or not it is a piece of software that would help your blog or some information that would increase your expertise in an area. Once you do that, you stop jumping from one shiny object to another, throwing away any of the money you are making instead of leveraging it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dotnix
    It is very simple, if a WSO ( product ) guarantees you that within certain time (30 days, 2 months w/e) you will be earning at least 1500$/month with this tecnique(niche site, pre-built project, etc) and they sell it for 39,99$ ONLY FOR WARRIORS, know this it is most likely outdated, overused product that will not generate a jack's shit. Ask yourself, if a person knows how to build a website that will without any effort (2-6hr/week pffff) generate 1500$/mo income - WHY WOULD HE/SHE SELL IT? If he knows some magic brain-dead noob-friendly three-step technique that instantly boosts sales - WHY WOULD HE/SHE SHARE it? correct! it is either outdated severally or is completely luck-based and does not bring constant income.
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  • Profile picture of the author DavidAllenNeron
    I think one of the main reasons behind this "trend" is that people 99.99999% of the time FAIL TO TAKE ANY ACTION WHATSOEVER ..

    Now ...
    Most of the time the blame for that gets shifted to the consumer; "well it's their fault they didn't follow my instructions"

    I'm starting to think a bit differently towards this whole problem in the market and think maybe it has something to do with the products not having enough actionable steps for people to even bother getting started.
    That is to say ... the products aren't being made in a way that involves the customer enough..
    it's like being talked at with most products, instead of an educational conversation where pacing and leading is used to help ensure people actually take action and get some results, even if they are only personal results.

    and most times personally I don't leave a negative review because I feel bad about criticizing someone when they actually took some action and "tried" ... if I feel ripped off, I'll get a refund or mention my experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpluto
      Originally Posted by DavidAllenNeron View Post

      I think one of the main reasons behind this "trend" is that people 99.99999% of the time FAIL TO TAKE ANY ACTION WHATSOEVER ..

      I feel bad about criticizing someone when they actually took some action and "tried" ... if I feel ripped off, I'll get a refund or mention my experience.
      A lot of marketing is based on the fact that people want to believe.

      Woman who gets beat up by her husband for 15-th time gets another promise: "Honey, it will never happen again, I promise!!!".

      Does she believe in that? No. But she wants to believe. So she gives another chance...

      Same with shiny objects. How many times were people ripped off and they continue buying?

      People want to believe that there is a magic pill that will make them rich.

      Most WSO's promise exact same magic pill. Either it is through millions of visitors in 3 days, or miracle money system, or some ninja software that drives flood of customers to your site, or whatever creativity may do.

      People want to believe.

      The price is not risky. It is low. Because most wont bother to ask for a refund.

      Also, feeling of inadequacy is introduced too. "LOOK! They did it! LOOK! It was so easy! Even the complete newbie can do it! Even some overseas grandma who is scared of computers! If SHE can do it then you can too!"

      A person who wants to believe starts questioning his or her adequacy: "well, if overseas grandma with no English and fear of computers drives millions of traffic, then I can must do even better!"

      Charismatic personalities with carrying appeal are there as well. Look at those loving eyes! How can they lie? Look at that million-dollar smile! You want a smile like that too? No problems! $9, please!

      "Testimonials" are surely there.

      "Hero" effect is there. "I made millions and now it is my life mission to help people like you!"

      And this is just a beginning.

      Where did I get all this info?

      From knowing WSO big boys. From being self-employed for a long time. From working behind the scenes with some legitimate businesses.

      And there are some ex-WSO sellers who dropped out of this business because their integrity interfered with them.. I know those people too.

      But yeah, you are right. They definitely do take action.
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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        How many times have we had this same BS thread in the past 2 weeks? Comments like this one just prove how little the posters actually pay attention:
        The truth is, you'll never see a bad review on a WSO thread
        It's clear this guy is either clueless, has spent no time in the WSO section to speak of, or has an agenda.

        (Wait. What's the tagline under his username, you ask?)

        "Honest WSO Review Guy"

        How honest should we expect him to be when he makes a comment that can be disproved 1000s of times with very little real effort?

        Know what I think of when I hear the phrase "crap, rehashed WSO?" A parrot, repeating what they've heard, with no understanding of the sounds they're making.

        A substantive objection is like the one above about some sellers failing to give enough step-by-step explanation. That has meat to it, and it serves a useful purpose.

        Here's another one: "This service employs a backlinking method that was targeted by Google's recent updates, and will hurt your rankings in the SERPs badly when your site is caught."

        Or how about, "The graphics are nice, but do not use any of the photos included with this, as the seller doesn't provide licensing information. Some of them are from stock photo sites that will come down on you if you use their products without paying their fees."

        Or, yet another... "This might be good for someone who is extremely new to XYZ, but it's very basic. Just some simple mechanics and techniques you can find in any good manual on the subject."

        And there's always, "This is poorly written and very difficult to read. The suggestion for ABC will almost certainly get your BlahBlah account closed if you get caught, because it violates BB's TOS concerning yaddayadda."

        Or maybe, "The videos are too long and rambling for what they cover. Seriously. 45 minutes to explain how to register a domain? Two words: Edit heavily."

        Or J50's comment: "I've bought some products, like $7 - $17 reports and most of them I was extremely disappointed by. You could just tell this person didn't put much effort into this at all and probably slopped it together in less than an hour."

        That's a legitimate complaint, and one that's probably more common than any other issue with WSO products. I couldn't say what percentage, but it's too common for my tastes.

        No market with a low barrier to entry will be devoid of problems. That's a simple reality. This is why, regardless of Moneymaker2012's self-interested assessment, we encourage people who have bought products to leave their opinions, good and bad.

        Note: The following applies to posts which are reported to the mods. There may be a lot of them we haven't deleted simply because we're not aware of them.

        Do we delete some reviews? Yeah. Good ones and bad ones, if they break the rules. I've banned more than a handful of sellers for shilling, and nuked my share of WSOs when the sellers offered incentives for posting reviews.

        If the "reviewer" hasn't bought the product, we'll remove their comments. That's warned against in the WSO section rules, and has been for years. No secret there, eh?

        If the reviewer attacks the seller personally, we'll delete the review. If it's posted in BIG RED (or green or blue or whatever other than black) LETTERS (or even small colored letters), we'll delete it. Same with positive reviews, for that matter.

        Note: Sellers can quote comments in big letters if they want, but the original can't be posted that way. They're paying for the ad, after all.

        If any post contains excessive profanity, explicitly or hinted at too strongly, we'll delete it. And often give the poster some time off.

        And if you use a word like 'scam' or 'fraud' publicly, you'd better provide some verifiable evidence to support the claim. It's much better to report things like that to the mods. That helps you avoid a potential libel suit, and puts it in the hands of people who have the ability to get more information and do more about the issue.

        Here's an example from the past couple of days.

        I get a report from a seller, who's being chased down by someone who can't show proof of having made a purchase, and is accusing him of fraud because she can't get the product. The customer's English is extremely poor, and she's making demands without any evidence of having paid. What she does provide doesn't match with any record in his W+ or Paypal accounts.

        He is convinced she's trying to scam him for a freebie, and using public complaints to force his hand.

        Not an unreasonable belief on his part, given the evidence he had to work with.

        The customer, when asked, sends me a Paypal receipt, which I forwarded to the seller. He still can't find anything in the databases, but it looks legit to me, and the customer isn't showing any of the usual signs of a freebie scammer.

        The customer appears to have paid for the product. She's getting what seems like a hard time from the seller, who refuses to give her what she paid for. The affiliate who pointed her to the product is doing nothing to discourage this impression.

        She is, not unreasonably, convinced she's been scammed.

        What I see is a seller with a bunch of reviews, and no significant issues with delivery of the product. I see a customer with weak English-language communication skills. She is frustrated and getting answers that, frankly, wouldn't make sense to most native English-speakers, given the facts she had.

        From the beginning, I'm thinking technical glitch.

        Here's what REALLY happened: The customer did pay for the product. The sale was credited to the affiliate, whose IPN was returning some sort of error code. So, the money exchanged hands, but the sale never appeared as finalized in either the merchant's or the affiliate's accounts at W+.

        So, we have two people claiming "scam," each with actual (and conflicting) evidence to back up their allegations. And yet, it wasn't any such thing. It wasn't even someone getting pissy over an ego issue. Just a technical snafu in a third party account.

        I could fill a good-sized book with similar examples.

        This is why we take a hard line when we see reports of people using words like that here. It's way too easy to be wrong, even when you think you have all the evidence.

        Of course, some of this stuff is just made up, like the comment upthread from MoneyMaker2012. 100% pure, unadulterated fiction.

        Anyone who doubts that is invited to go look at page 3 and later of any long-running or popular WSO. You won't make it through many (if any) of them without finding negative reviews. Sometimes a lot of them.

        Of course, if your business model depends on making others think you're the only honest source of reviews for something you promote with affiliate links, you'd sure profit from making people believe that nonsense...


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        • Profile picture of the author mpluto
          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

          How many times have we had this same BS thread in the past 2 weeks? Comments like this one just prove how little the posters actually pay attention:It's clear this guy is either clueless, has spent no time in the WSO section to speak of, or has an agenda.

          (Wait. What's the tagline under his username, you ask?)

          "Honest WSO Review Guy"

          [moderator edit: Snipped for brevity]
          Paul, thanks for this! It is very true that legit WSO products do get unjustified negative reviews.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            It is very true that legit WSO products do get unjustified negative reviews.
            True, but we don't delete those, either, unless they violate the rules somehow.
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            • Profile picture of the author mpluto
              Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

              True, but we don't delete those, either, unless they violate the rules somehow.
              Paul, I think this question was asked by someone else too.

              How does a new guy who wants to launch WSO get in the game? I am talking about legitimate WSO, no scam and no intention of scam whatsoever.

              I mean, are there are any behind the scenes tricks or you just follow the forum rules and you are good to go?

              I want to launch my first WSO soon, no actors, no audience.

              One of the reasons I am asking is because yesterday I submitted free ebook to War Room and it was not approved (or maybe not yet). I did not have any requirement for email address or anything of that sort. Just description and link to download page.

              Thanks a lot for answers.
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              • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                How does a new guy who wants to launch WSO get in the game?
                I should preface my response with the note that I haven't offered a product for sale here in 2 or 3 years, and have never used any of the current crop of affiliate systems, like W+ or JV Zoo or DigiResults. So, you're getting observations this time, and not personal experience.

                Take this with the aforementioned grains of salt.

                Without at least opening it to affiliates, you're very unlikely to hit a home run. Some really good products with high-converting offers, made through W+ or JV Zoo, will pick up affiliates without you recruiting, but that's not as common as many would hope. It can happen with a solid offer that sells, though.

                With the current expectations, the big affiliates will usually want to see a good back end offer that picks the EPC up.

                The stuff that sells most here is SEO, traffic techniques, and marketing-related software. Good PLR that appeals to marketer-based audiences or markets with a lot of high-paying CPA deals also can do very well.

                Done-for-you sales copy offers can work, but those seem to be a crap shoot if you don't have an established rep.

                If you really don't intend or want to have affiliates, you're going to need to be smarter about your traffic generation. Much smarter. They're what drives the overwhelming majority of the WSO success stories you hear about. Still, with the right kind of offer, a solid WSO in one of the popular niches I mentioned can bring a very nice ROI.

                They can also sometimes be good for testing your sales copy before taking it out to a wider audience. Assuming your audeince is marketers.

                One very important tip: If you decide to allow affiliates and you choose to go with JV Zoo, do not put any affiliates on instant payment. Just don't. And don't approve any affiliate who isn't active in this forum, unless they're personally known to you. Accepting any random affiliate who asks to promote is an invitation for big problems you just don't need.


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                • Profile picture of the author mpluto
                  Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                  I should preface my response with the note that I haven't offered a product for sale here in 2 or 3 years, and have never used any of the current crop of affiliate systems, like W+ or JV Zoo or DigiResults. So, you're getting observations this time, and not personal experience.

                  Take this with the aforementioned grains of salt.
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                  First of all, thanks a lot for the answer! I wish you would have your WSO on "How To Launch A WSO"!, I would buy now...

                  Right now, I am not looking for a home run because my product is an ebook on how to get tons of service clients for a service business - something I am personally doing for years... In other words, it is not highly demanded "magic ninja".

                  What I am looking for in WSO is to appeal to people who are in service business by providing value and see how it all goes.

                  Maybe generate new 200 subscribers or so, make some sales...

                  Would you say it is realistic to launch "bare naked" WSO (meaning no affiliates) for the first time with good sales copy and get about 200 subscribers, and let's just assume 10 - 20 of $20.00 sales?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                    I wish you would have your WSO on "How To Launch A WSO"!, I would buy now...
                    If you were looking for WSO-specific advice, you'd be wasting your money. There are people out there with far more WSO experience than me who sell products on that topic.
                    Would you say it is realistic to launch "bare naked" WSO (meaning no affiliates) for the first time with good sales copy and get about 200 subscribers, and let's just assume 10 - 20 of $20.00 sales?
                    Absolutely. But that many subscribers will probably require more than one bump without affiliates. And affiliates won't usually promote it if there's a subscription offered on the front end.

                    I'd stick with a direct sales pitch up front, personally.

                    I would also suggest that, once it's ready, you approach some of the folks in the offline marketing section about becoming affiliates. Be picky, and make sure they sell products on somewhat related, but not identical, topics. That will increase your uptake on the offer, and reduce the likelihood of complaints.

                    It's all about your network.


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                    • Profile picture of the author mpluto
                      Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                      If you were looking for WSO-specific advice, you'd be wasting your money. There are people out there with far more WSO experience than me who sell products on that topic.Absolutely. But that many subscribers will probably require more than one bump without affiliates. And affiliates won't usually promote it if there's a subscription offered on the front end.

                      I'd stick with a direct sales pitch up front, personally.

                      I would also suggest that, once it's ready, you approach some of the folks in the offline marketing section about becoming affiliates. Be picky, and make sure they sell products on somewhat related, but not identical, topics. That will increase your uptake on the offer, and reduce the likelihood of complaints.

                      It's all about your network.


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                      Paul, sincere thanks for valuable advice.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                        sincere thanks for valuable advice.
                        A couple of things I forgot...

                        Using text, instead of the pure graphic format a lot of sellers use, can potentially get you some continuing traffic through search engines. You don't need to be heavy on the keywords, but use them. Do it naturally. The best way I know of to fit that into the flow of a sales letter is bullet points.

                        You may want to ask in the SEO section for tips on that, though. Not my forte.

                        Also, evergreen offers can keep getting traffic through your signature and the search function, so make sure both your signature and offer title are clear on what you're selling.

                        I had one evergreen WSO years ago that was marketer-related PLR, and it kept generating sales every month for quite a while. Zero income claims or promises, no hype, and nothing in my signature about it. Just people finding it through searching.


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                        • Profile picture of the author mpluto
                          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                          A couple of things I forgot...

                          Using text, instead of the pure graphic format a lot of sellers use, can potentially get you some continuing traffic through search engines. You don't need to be heavy on the keywords, but use them. Do it naturally. The best way I know of to fit that into the flow of a sales letter is bullet points.

                          You may want to ask in the SEO section for tips on that, though. Not my forte.

                          Also, evergreen offers can keep getting traffic through your signature and the search function, so make sure both your signature and offer title are clear on what you're selling.

                          I had one evergreen WSO years ago that was marketer-related PLR, and it kept generating sales every month for quite a while. Zero income claims or promises, no hype, and nothing in my signature about it. Just people finding it through searching.


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                          Will do that! I'll PM you before pre-launch done. Very excited to do it!
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Originally Posted by baokhau View Post

    The crap, rehashed WSOs sometimes are released. But i dont know why some reputed marketers always give them POSITIVE reviews. Is this vendor's requirement when they give out the free review copies? How do you think about this?
    All respect to the people who have posted here with their opinions, I wanted to add some extra dimensions to the responses so far outside of the obvious it's all a circlejerk stuff.

    1. Sometimes it does what it says on the tin. It's hard to give a bad review to something that promises to show you how to do something and then does it. There are lots of WSO buyers who are really burned out and cynical about anything that's tried and true, so they happily go after any kind of "weird" esoteric money making method with blind copy.

    OK, well, how do you review that without giving it away. "Well it sure is weird, I haven't seen it before." or if it's a quick hit WSO (make 100 bucks in 48 hours) some people will say "yes this worked".

    2. Positivity comes easy to successful people. A $7 WSO might be a big investment to some people. To others it's just, whatever. Practically free. So if you enjoy it for $7, why not give it a good review? If you told these guys, "you can only give this a good review if you had to build your business using only the info inside the WSO" then maybe you would get different reviews.

    3. If you have bought enough WSO's to complain about rehashes and still haven't made any money... then you might be the problem and not the WSO, enough said there.

    4. They've asked a LOT of people for reviews. You ask 50 people to review something. 39 of them don't like it, say nothing. 1 posts a negative review. 10 post positive reviews. You're 90% positive.
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  • Profile picture of the author harryjupp
    Most products have a money back guarantee so I'd rather buy them and come up with my owner opinion than waisting time reading the reviews. s this vendor's requirement when they give out the free review copies? How do you think about this?
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    I've bought some products, like $7 - $17 reports and most of them I was extremely disappointed by. You could just tell this person didn't put much effort into this at all and probably slopped it together in less than an hour.

    That being said I have bought courses on how to use platforms - like Facebook ads more effectively, like guides how to get low CPC prices and ways to increase CTR which have helped quite a lot.
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  • Profile picture of the author MagicD
    I have lost faith in WSOs a long time ago, at times I cant even trust some warriors with great credibility, sorry it needs to be said. My best advice follow someone who isnt bring out course/product after product each week/month. How does one have time to test out his own methods, right...?

    I only follow 1 or 2 marketers, there are exceptions to the rules, I have a couple of GOOD friends in the IM world, and if they say check out this WSO, I will do as long as the 30day MBG stands. Just saying...
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Let's say the reviews are lies...

    But the product still has a refund policy...

    The person who buys figures out they've been lied to...

    They get a refund...

    Seems simple enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author mpluto
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      Let's say the reviews are lies...

      But the product still has a refund policy...

      The person who buys figures out they've been lied to...

      They get a refund...

      Seems simple enough.
      True. But it is a waste of time. A lot of people start losing hope. Internet is filled with hype and people get constant exposure to it.

      Here is what's really bad: many people get an impression that the only way to make money online in IM niche is to do the same or you will be out of the game.

      It just serves as very bad example overall.

      At the same time, if someone expects only good when they buy "how to" products to build their business, then they will better be prepared to get disappointed...
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  • Profile picture of the author desley
    A very, very good question and very interesting responses.

    A couple of years ago I purchased a WSO and I left a negative review - only to be basically lam-blasted by the vendor who also insisted I delete the negative review as he was paying for the WSO - but also from other respondents.

    Seems I was too dumb to know any better and should have been able to use the product easily!!!

    I also look for the questions people ask - as this sometimes tells me more about the product than the positive reviews. And yes, I decide especially if there is a MB guarantee to purchase and make up my own mind.

    The problem is in the main if our experiences are negative we tend not to say so - because the vendor can attack big time as he did in my situation; It's a kind of bullying or unwritten code for WSO in many respects - say nice things or don't say anything at all!!

    We do need people to be honest however it's also true that some of us humans don't like hearing bad things about ourselves, our products, or our services.

    Maybe if WSO vendors state right upfront they want to hear the good, bad or downright ugly so they can improve their product/service - then maybe some of us might just take them up on their word. Until this happens, we just have to make our own decisions, based on reading between the lines, and also maybe trying and simply getting a refund.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      A couple of years ago I purchased a WSO and I left a negative review - only to be basically lam-blasted by the vendor who also insisted I delete the negative review as he was paying for the WSO
      Insisted that you remove the comment?

      Unless your comment broke the rules somehow, report it if it happens again. We take a rather dim view of that, and have been known to ban sellers for extended periods for it.

      Assuming you have paid for a product, there are basically three things you need to do in a review: Stick to the product, be reasonably civil, and don't use artificial means to draw extra attention to your post.


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      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
        mpluto,

        You may want to check with some of the people more experienced in WSO sales to see if text-based ads cut your response rate too much. If so, you can always go with a graphic ad at the start, and edit it to a text-based ad with the exact same offer later, for SEO purposes.

        Also, just saw a classic example of a negative "review" that I instantly deleted...

        "BEWARE: [SELLER NAME] IS A DIRTY THIEVING LOWLIFE SCUMBAG DO NOT PURCHASE ANYTHING FROM THIS SEWER RAT"

        Ummm... Yeah. That was the whole post. Real helpful. That broke every rule other than the LARGE COLORED FONT prohibition.


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        • Profile picture of the author Richard Crooke
          Most people don't want to leave negative reviews for the fear of being banned by the system or others for future partnerships.

          People just need to be smarter and not get caught up in the hype and shinny objects.
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          • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
            Richard,
            Most people don't want to leave negative reviews for the fear of being banned by the system or others for future partnerships.
            Hmmm. The future partnership thing is probably true of some folks. Certainly not most of the people who buy things through the forum, but some. No doubt.

            If, by "the system," you mean the "old boys network," or some other group of individual operators, you'd have to be clearer on the people involved before I could comment.

            That said, if you mean banned from the forum, there's only one reason anyone would think that: Comments from people who don't know how the system here really works, or have some reason to paint it as something other than it is.

            My suggestion to them is the same as to the folks who insist that we delete negative reviews: Go look for themselves. There are easily tens of thousands of negative reviews in there.

            Anyone who says we delete all negative reviews, or ban people for reviews that follow the rules I outlined earlier, is ... ummm ... sadly misinformed or deliberately spreading inaccurate information.

            There. That was a polite way to say that, I think.

            Mind you, it's not surprising that some people believe those things to be the case, as we have so many folks like MoneyMaker2012 saying things like he said upthread. Not one of them has ever repeated those sorts of general accusations after being challenged to look through the WSO section. Because, after that, it would be clear that they were lying, plain and simple.

            Someone will someday, simply because they're so certain that things work the way they believe that they won't bother to look.

            That could get someone banned. It shows an utter disregard for the truth, and a deliberate desire to be mindlessly destructive. We have no obligation to support either of those types of behavior.


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            • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
              Originally Posted by mpluto View Post

              Nah... If you would only know how SOME of these WSO's get created. It's like whole mafia working on this

              All the reviews and everything else is pre-written, positive posts are strategically pre-planned, people from overseas are hired to defend any negative reviews, etc.

              It's like a theater, you have the stage, the actors, the "happy audience"... The only thing that's left out is you paying money to join the "success group".

              It is a shame though. I plan to launch my very honest WSO, no actors, no "happy audience", we'll see how it goes compared to others.
              Not Mafia, as in organized crime. More like Infomercial 101.

              Originally Posted by DoubleOhDave View Post

              I review a lot of WSOs, but only leave reviews if I think the WSO worthwhile, otherwise I remain silent. I'm sure that has pissed off a few people, but what the hell...
              This is one reason people think they only see positive reviews. The negative ones don't get deleted, they just never get posted. Good thing the people who might have been warned off by your honest, if negative, review don't know that you didn't post, or you'd really see some pissed off people.

              I've been around long enough that people seem to think I have some kind of influence, so I get asked to do reviews. Most requests, I turn down. The rest fall into two categories - pre-release and "promotional", as in the seller hopes people seeing my name on a review will give their social proof a boost. Pre-release review requests are people looking for feedback on their product so thay can fine-tune it before launch.

              On pre-release reviews, I send my feedback to the seller. If it's positive, I give permission to use my comments in their thread. For that matter, they get the same permission for negative comments, but I haven't seen anyone actually use those.

              On promotional reviews, I set two conditions before agreeing. First, I will post the review in the WSO thread myself, good or bad. Second, I will disclose that I got a free review copy. If those two conditions are not acceptable, don't send me the link. If you search the WSO section for my name, you'll see that I don't post a lot of reviews.
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          • Profile picture of the author jamesbrands
            Originally Posted by Richard Crooke View Post

            Most people don't want to leave negative reviews for the fear of being banned by the system or others for future partnerships.

            People just need to be smarter and not get caught up in the hype and shinny objects.
            Yeh agreed.

            Its a shame that many WSO's have had the most investment placed on the sales page and virtually zero on the product however. But shiny sales pages sell products, that's the name of the WSO game.

            As for the reviews, I have seen plenty of bad ones. You can almost always gauge how decent a product is a little further down the sales thread.
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            • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
              James,
              As for the reviews, I have seen plenty of bad ones. You can almost always gauge how decent a product is a little further down the sales thread.
              Yep. I usually suggest starting at page 3, or going to the end of a long thread and working backward.

              The first page will usually be filled with questions, and with "first impression" reviews, which tend more often than not to be positive comments based on reading and hopeful thinking, rather than doing. The last pages will sometimes be filled with running arguments from people who have a grudge, so look for the overall impression.

              Ignore vague reviews early in a thread, whether positive or negative. Look for concrete comments, with something more to back them up than a quick opinion.

              Specifics count. The rest is mostly air.

              I will also point out that the way a seller responds to questions means a lot. If they reply by habitually ignoring the question or belittling the questioner, it's best to avoid them. That can be a generally reliable indicator of how they handle customer service.

              Exceptions abound, of course. If someone is being a complete jerk and gets treated like one, but tough questions that are asked in civil ways get civil responses... Good for them.

              No-one should be required to take undeserved abuse just because some dude had a bad day at work, or is just an angry schmuck.


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      • Profile picture of the author desley
        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        Insisted that you remove the comment?

        Unless your comment broke the rules somehow, report it if it happens again. We take a rather dim view of that, and have been known to ban sellers for extended periods for it.

        Assuming you have paid for a product, there are basically three things you need to do in a review: Stick to the product, be reasonably civil, and don't use artificial means to draw extra attention to your post.


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        Many thanks. Yes, I stuck to the product, gave a couple of suggestions and still the guy was very upset because it wasn't what he wanted to hear and I did try to be very nice about it. Thanks for the info - very useful.
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  • I agree with Paul. People can be so quick to point the finger and make unfounded accusations.

    People need to be cautious when making claims like that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
      Nathan,
      People need to be cautious when making claims like that.
      They need to be careful about believing them, too. I've seen circumstances like the one I outlined above, where there was no real villain but the tech gremlins, cascade into lynch mobs. The person who thinks they've been scammed starts making accusations, and it ends up with a whole lot of people bashing someone who did exactly nothing wrong.

      I've seen those situations develop into some very ugly things.


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  • Profile picture of the author Tenzho
    Maybe they don't leave a review if its a bad WSO.
    I don't even bother to leave a review and just ask for a refund.
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