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Increasing WSO prices?

by hustlinsmoke
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I have been thinking, I never really use wso's any longer cause of all posts and alot are not up to par.

We have six partners in total and we still post a few on wso's to get pre-launches ect.

What do most of you think, Do you think the price for a wso should increase to say 100.00

I honestly think this will weed out the bad wso's and make room for higher quality.

I have no authority to increase the price but I hope this starts a debate in my direction that might take it some where.

I do not mind paying 100 bucks. I mean a 100 on traffic the size a wso gets is actually very inexpensive and if we can stay on page one for a day or two the sales would increase tremendously.

I know it might hurt the newbys but I have always helped them out when they were down on there luck and still will if they have a great wso.

Let me here the gripes and complaints of my wonderful idea. I will add a poll also.
#increasing #prices #wso
  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Hunter
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    I agree that a higher price can help to weed out the not so great products but we also have to take in the flip side of things. If someone is looking to pull wool over the sheep's eyes and make money no matter the obstacles, they won't care to pay 100 or even 1000 if they're making it back 10 fold and running off before the refunds come in.

    I believe Flippa implemented the same process (though don't quote me) and I still see some pretty cra*py sites on there. People are cunning they'll find a way to cheat a system no matter what you do...well unless of course the WSO forum gets shut down for everyone but where would be the fun in that?
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Scammers will always be scammers, but to scam by putting up a 100 bucks won't happen that often. When it does it does but it happens more now than it would by increasing the price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jordan Hunter
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    Again I agree just thought I'd play devil's advocate hahaha
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Yeah. Scammers are scammers, can't do anything about it except weed them out. I personally used to be a black hatter though and I wouldn't of spent a 100 bucks, most balckhatters and scammers do not want to spend money at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    The established people who can comfortably pay 100 bucks to WF don't need WSO traffic because they've got their own affiliates. They can just as easily drive traffic to their own sales pages if the dollar amount cranks up too high.

    The people who desperately need those WF eyeballs and know nothing else about traffic/conversions are pretty steady customers to the forum. So for business reasons I don't know why anything would change.
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  • Profile picture of the author RuthRNM
    Initially my thoughts were 'it's not fair to exclude newbies who might not be making much money online yet'... Then of course I realised that if this was the case, they probably shouldn't be selling WSOs on the premise that they have some sort of successful system!

    I can see both sides of the argument here really, though it's a very interesting point.

    Micah makes a valid argument about newbies being steady customers for WF.

    I wonder how long WSOs have been priced at $40? Has a quick look but can't seem to find anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author stevendbrady
      Originally Posted by RuthRNM View Post

      Initially my thoughts were 'it's not fair to exclude newbies who might not be making much money online yet'... Then of course I realised that if this was the case, they probably shouldn't be selling WSOs on the premise that they have some sort of successful system!
      While I would agree with this, not every WSO is some unproven 'get rich quick' system by someone that has no idea what they're actually talking about. Increasing the price could prevent some new WP developer from releasing a good product on the basis that he has nothing but time invested into the plugin/theme, but doesn't have the cash to start promoting it properly or to help him get the jump start he needs.

      I wish there was a way to weed out the garbage WSOs, but I don't think increasing the price is the way to do it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
        Originally Posted by stevendbrady View Post

        I wish there was a way to weed out the garbage WSOs, but I don't think increasing the price is the way to do it.
        by not buying them.
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        • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
          Doesn't work, if you go search jvzoo or warriorplus you will see over 90 percent of the wso's sell less than 10 copies.

          Yes over 90 percent of wso's sell less than 10 copies. People do not do there homework, they think it is 2011 and can put something up as a wso and it sells.

          See all of you are making valid arguments, but lets put the 10 percent rule in place. Only 10 percent actually produce a positive wso.

          Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

          by not buying them.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Well after listening to some of you, I wish I could change the poll cause I would of had 200.00 on there and picked that.

    The more I hear the more I know that a higher price would bring in better quality and weed out the lesser quality and scammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author mekdroid
    I think that it would be better to have more WSO sections, organized by the type of WSO, rather than a price increase. The main reason why the WSO's drop down so quickly is that everything is lumped together.

    How about a separate thread for Software WSO's, for example? (OK, disclaimer here, I am a developer so I would REALLY like to have a Software Only WSO section )
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      Well then you run problems. Just like when they split hosting off classifieds and wso's. I stopped advertising and actually when I posted one they put me in the hosted section.

      I quickly asked for a refund, they actually got mad about it, but if you clump all businesses together your going to start cutting each other's throats. Heck within a week, most hosting providers in there were offering six months free then 1.00 a month. I wasn't about to give away my services for nothing.

      Don't tell me either it doesn't effect you if you have quality because in the end it will effect you. Some are just looking for check, well most are.


      Originally Posted by mekdroid View Post

      I think that it would be better to have more WSO sections, organized by the type of WSO, rather than a price increase. The main reason why the WSO's drop down so quickly is that everything is lumped together.

      How about a separate thread for Software WSO's, for example? (OK, disclaimer here, I am a developer so I would REALLY like to have a Software Only WSO section )
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve B
        Hustlin,

        Nice thread and I agree wholeheartedly that it would be nice to somehow weed out the WSO scammers and their garbage, but I personally don't think that raising the price to $100 (or something less) will necessarily accomplish that.

        Many of us have purchased products at the $100 mark and even higher and have been sometimes sorely disappointed with the product. And it may not be a purposeful scam - I truly believe that some product creators don't know what real quality looks like!

        I am in favor of letting the marketer choose his price as it stands now. Here are a few reasons why:
        • What if someone wants to do a free WSO for the purpose of getting exposure to his/her new business, web site, service or a sign-up to his list? You would be eliminating that option, wouldn't you?
        • Some like to do a low-end lead product with a higher priced OTO or a subsequent back end offer. This strategy wouldn't be possible with a $100 minimum.
        • The current bumping system allows marketers to cut their losses with a failed WSO. Yes, it does require additional bumps to keep your exposure up, but at least those who are making bank with their WSO will have the money to keep feeding the machine. And they can always cut back for awhile, then turn on the machine again at a later time if they desire.
        • I don't personally believe that we should leave out the low-priced but high quality WSOs that are worth every bit of say $10 but may not be worth $20 or more. I have found some nuggets of gold that were very inexpensive. Why limit WSOs to only the more expensive products/services?
        • This may seem dumb and not a valid reason, but I'll say it anyway . . . I like the idea of a product developer being able to charge whatever he feels he wants to charge. It's his baby and he may have his own reasons for pricing as he does. Why should anyone be compelled to place a relatively high ($100) price tag on an offer just so it can qualify to be sold as a WSO? (Am I saluting the free market system? hmmm . . . maybe)
        Anyway, great thread and we need more discussion on the topic because there are some parts of the WSO system that seem broken. (My concerns are more about the commenting/posting about WSOs than the pricing.)

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        • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
          Steve you have the post wrong, its what to charge to list the wso, not what to charge for your wso.
          Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

          Hustlin,

          Nice thread and I agree wholeheartedly that it would be nice to somehow weed out the WSO scammers and their garbage, but I personally don't think that raising the price to $100 (or something less) will necessarily accomplish that.

          Many of us have purchased products at the $100 mark and even higher and have been sometimes sorely disappointed with the product. And it may not be a purposeful scam - I truly believe that some product creators don't know what real quality looks like!

          I am in favor of letting the marketer choose his price as it stands now. Here are a few reasons why:
          • What if someone wants to do a free WSO for the purpose of getting exposure to his/her new business, web site, service or a sign-up to his list? You would be eliminating that option, wouldn't you?
          • Some like to do a low-end lead product with a higher priced OTO or a subsequent back end offer. This strategy wouldn't be possible with a $100 minimum.
          • The current bumping system allows marketers to cut their losses with a failed WSO. Yes, it does require additional bumps to keep your exposure up, but at least those who are making bank with their WSO will have the money to keep feeding the machine. And they can always cut back for awhile, then turn on the machine again at a later time if they desire.
          • I don't personally believe that we should leave out the low-priced but high quality WSOs that are worth every bit of say $10 but may not be worth $20 or more. I have found some nuggets of gold that were very inexpensive. Why limit WSOs to only the more expensive products/services?
          • This may seem dumb and not a valid reason, but I'll say it anyway . . . I like the idea of a product developer being able to charge whatever he feels he wants to charge. It's his baby and he may have his own reasons for pricing as he does. Why should anyone be compelled to place a relatively high ($100) price tag on an offer just so it can qualify to be sold as a WSO? (Am I saluting the free market system? hmmm . . . maybe)
          Anyway, great thread and we need more discussion on the topic because there are some parts of the WSO system that seem broken. (My concerns are more about the commenting/posting about WSOs than the pricing.)

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author Steve B
            Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

            Steve you have the post wrong, its what to charge to list the wso, not what to charge for your wso.
            Hustlin,

            My bad . . . sorry, I'm asleep at the wheel. I'll have to do some more thinking about what you're really proposing, not what I imagined you're saying. I blame it on old age (and some funny tasting peach cobbler I had for lunch).

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      • Profile picture of the author mekdroid
        Well, yes, that is true ... but from my own (and admittedly selfish) point of view, all I would have to do to "win" in a Software-Only WSO section is make better software than the competition, and that I can do. The problem (and the reason why I have NOT published any WSO's) is that the way things are now, I have to compete with threads telling you that they will make you $10,000+ a day and similar BS, which will very quickly send my WSO to the nether regions of the WSO underworld.
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  • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
    There could be a separate fee for the courses/coaching.
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    • Profile picture of the author mekdroid
      Yes, a separate fee (and a separate section!) for Courses/Coaching would do wonders!

      A lot of the current WSO's are about coaching anyway, and while there are some excellent offers there's also a ton of very low quality stuff that's just cluttering the WSO section big time.

      How about a separate section for Get Traffic WSO's? That is another MAJOR category ...
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    • Profile picture of the author Joe118
      The Warrior Forum has always been saying theyre not quality controllers. Everyone needs to do their own homework and decide if a WSO is for them or not. The cost of posting a WSO here has nothing to do with the quality of the WSO, its a business decision made by the owners of the forum based on how much they want to earn from the forum and how much running the forum costs them. It's entirely their right to charge any price they want, I'm just saying that to date the price has nothing to do with removing the bad WSOs, and I doubt that it will in the future.

      Everyone needs to grow up and stop behaving like they need someone to protect them. This is not a baby sitting club, this is an open market place where some people sell WSOs and some people buy WSOs.
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        Has everything to do with it. If most people can come up with 40.00 bucks to post then it will be only the ones that have the time and money to put into a wso that has the 100 or 200 to post. Which weeds out most the crappy little 10 page pdf someone wrote on theory.
        Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

        The Warrior Forum has always been saying theyre not quality controllers. Everyone needs to do their own homework and decide if a WSO is for them or not. The cost of posting a WSO here has nothing to do with the quality of the WSO, its a business decision made by the owners of the forum based on how much they want to earn from the forum and how much running the forum costs them. It's entirely their right to charge any price they want, I'm just saying that to date the price has nothing to do with removing the bad WSOs, and I doubt that it will in the future.

        Everyone needs to grow up and stop behaving like they need someone to protect them. This is not a baby sitting club, this is an open market place where some people sell WSOs and some people buy WSOs.
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        Who the heck said anyone needs protection, I sure the crap don't but I don't like 100 crappy wso's overloading the wso section only to drain mine to page 5 in a day. Not right.


        Originally Posted by Joe118 View Post

        The Warrior Forum has always been saying theyre not quality controllers. Everyone needs to do their own homework and decide if a WSO is for them or not. The cost of posting a WSO here has nothing to do with the quality of the WSO, its a business decision made by the owners of the forum based on how much they want to earn from the forum and how much running the forum costs them. It's entirely their right to charge any price they want, I'm just saying that to date the price has nothing to do with removing the bad WSOs, and I doubt that it will in the future.

        Everyone needs to grow up and stop behaving like they need someone to protect them. This is not a baby sitting club, this is an open market place where some people sell WSOs and some people buy WSOs.
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        • Profile picture of the author mekdroid
          Originally Posted by hustlinsmoke View Post

          Who the heck said anyone needs protection, I sure the crap don't but I don't like 100 crappy wso's overloading the wso section only to drain mine to page 5 in a day. Not right.
          I think we all agree on that! There are way too many WSO's, plain and simple, never mind the quality, so a thread sinks down too quickly. Right now, for example, just as we were exchanging messages in the last 15 minutes the top WSO thread has dropped by two places ... at that rate a WSO stays in the top two pages for a lot less than a day.

          Now, to be sure, the WF is doing this as a business, so it is up to them how to manage it so as to maximize their revenues, BUT I would like to point out that if it gets to the point where the WSO's stop being a cost-effective means of advertising (because there are too many of them) then they will receive less revenue, so there is a happy balance somewhere.

          That's why I was suggesting having a few sections! At least that way the threads should stay a little longer. There must be a reason why Amazon does not list shoes lumped in with computer monitors, right?

          Or maybe a combination of both: opening some specialized sections like Coaching and Get Traffic, plus maybe an increase in the listing fee, just so long as the increase is not so large that it kills the small WSO's (not fair).
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Well if yah want to do that, then lets just seperate every post, every wso. every thread and have the most overloaded forum on the net where we can't find anything.
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