Make Money Instantly Bullcrap

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Hey everybody,

I've learned a lot from the forum & I just wanted to give back a little and share with you one thing I've learned.

When we first enter IM we are usually sold on the idea that we can get rich quick. If we buy their program we can be living the good life in the next couple hours.

Now for me, it took a while to get into my head that this is just not true. We still go on believing for a while that we can get rich once we buy that program that gives us the magic button.

When I finally did realize that I can't get rich quick, I came up with the idea that I might have to work a little to make money. Still, even though I didn't realize at the time, I though it would be relatively easy to do this.

Now skip ahead to where I am now. I have failed, and failed, and failed again to come to this conclusion.

We may say that we know that this business requires us to work. We may say that we know its not a get rich quick thing. But we really don't get away from the idea of getting rich quick. And this is why we fail.

I have just recently realized (I wish I had realized this earlier it would have saved me a lot of time) that we HAVE TO KNOW, THIS IS AS REAL AS AN OFFLINE BUSINESS.

If we want to make money, we have to treat this exactly like an offline business. We need a plan, a budget, a good mindset, and most importantly... written goals.

If we do this, which I am now doing, we will see success I know it.

So, for anyone that is struggling to make money online. Get the "quick riches" idea out of your head. You may think it's out, but there's a good chance if your not making money it is still there. Then create a plan. Where are you going to be in a year? What are you goals? How much are you going to spend a month on your business?

All of these things will make you successful & will change your business.

I hope that I have helped a few people.

Your Friend,

David
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    You know I've got to say that this is one of the most hypocritical posts I've seen lately.

    All this work hard, there's no such thing as make a lot of money fast, it's a real business etc. talk is perhaps all true but your point is lost when you are advertising a secret way to make $271 in the next 2 hours.

    Most real life, hard workers don't make $271 in the next 2 hours from scratch. You know it. You're preaching against that idea. But then you are spreading the lie yourself.

    Mark

    Originally Posted by wealthyseven View Post

    Hey everybody,

    I've learned a lot from the forum & I just wanted to give back a little and share with you one thing I've learned.

    When we first enter IM we are usually sold on the idea that we can get rich quick. If we buy their program we can be living the good life in the next couple hours.

    Now for me, it took a while to get into my head that this is just not true. We still go on believing for a while that we can get rich once we buy that program that gives us the magic button.

    When I finally did realize that I can't get rich quick, I came up with the idea that I might have to work a little to make money. Still, even though I didn't realize at the time, I though it would be relatively easy to do this.

    Now skip ahead to where I am now. I have failed, and failed, and failed again to come to this conclusion.

    We may say that we know that this business requires us to work. We may say that we know its not a get rich quick thing. But we really don't get away from the idea of getting rich quick. And this is why we fail.

    I have just recently realized (I wish I had realized this earlier it would have saved me a lot of time) that we HAVE TO KNOW, THIS IS AS REAL AS AN OFFLINE BUSINESS.

    If we want to make money, we have to treat this exactly like an offline business. We need a plan, a budget, a good mindset, and most importantly... written goals.

    If we do this, which I am now doing, we will see success I know it.

    So, for anyone that is struggling to make money online. Get the "quick riches" idea out of your head. You may think it's out, but there's a good chance if your not making money it is still there. Then create a plan. Where are you going to be in a year? What are you goals? How much are you going to spend a month on your business?

    All of these things will make you successful & will change your business.

    I hope that I have helped a few people.

    Your Friend,

    David
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  • Profile picture of the author Ghoster
    Oh, the signature irony!!
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    • Profile picture of the author sprice
      Originally Posted by Ghoster View Post

      Oh, the signature irony!!
      Love it! Haha
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    I've never met anyone who ever expected instant riches. All most people want is a way to make $271 in the next two hours. Not riches, not instantly, just a few hundred in a few hours would be nice. If only there was a way.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post

      I've never met anyone who ever expected instant riches. All most people want is a way to make $271 in the next two hours. Not riches, not instantly, just a few hundred in a few hours would be nice. If only there was a way.
      Originally Posted by sprice View Post

      Love it! Haha
      Originally Posted by Ghoster View Post

      Oh, the signature irony!!
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      You know I've got to say that this is one of the most hypocritical posts I've seen lately.

      All this work hard, there's no such thing as make a lot of money fast, it's a real business etc. talk is perhaps all true but your point is lost when you are advertising a secret way to make $271 in the next 2 hours.

      Most real life, hard workers don't make $271 in the next 2 hours from scratch. You know it. You're preaching against that idea. But then you are spreading the lie yourself.

      Mark
      Guys I just checked that out haha & I agree with every single on of you.

      I have just recently came to the conclusion that there is no get rich quick stuff.

      Just recently made a business plan and have been actually trying to give people quality instead of the same rehashed crap.

      I apologize because that was one of my old ways... I hadn't gotten around to changing it.

      Realize it makes me look bad. I truly want to help people. & apologize for any confusion. I don't stand by that sig anymore.

      Not an excuse... just what really happened.

      I was taught the same old affiliate marketing crap that's out their today. Slap a squeeze page together & put an affiliate link on it. Like I said. I would never do that again.

      Thanks guys for the imput
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  • Profile picture of the author bloggerd
    good for you , but lets just hope you stick to what your preaching and don't revert back to the old way
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by bloggerd View Post

      good for you , but lets just hope you stick to what your preaching and don't revert back to the old way
      Would never go back

      From what I've seen all of the successful people in this business are successful because they give value.

      When you actually help someone & aren't in it just for yourself. It changes the game.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Great, you've switched from the make money right now newbie model to the "don't listen to all these guru scammers I believe in real value!" newbie model. In either case you're still repeating half truths you've heard from others.
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  • Profile picture of the author nemious
    There are a number of ways to make money online but none of them are going to instantly get you money. I remember the very first product that I made and then tried to bring it to market. I thought it was going to do good. I spent time and money on graphics. I had a very killer copyright. I then put it on jvzoo still thinking I was going to make a ton of money. The first week past I ended up not making one sale. I didn't make my first sale for almost 2 months. I spent that time building up my facebook fanbase by driving traffic to a free offer. That was coasting me 140 a week at the time that was all I could afford to spend on advertising. I wrote another ebook that I gave away. I now had to keep making fresh content for my rapidly growing fanbase. I hit one million followers by the end of the second month then I posted my product there. I was hopping that I would sell at least one. I needed to sell a few before I even broke even much less make money. Then I made 500 sales in the first day. That was with people liking and sharing my product. Then over the next few weeks I started gaining affiliates also this was a plus for sure. Then I waited another month till the guarantee was gone on the first sales was over before I even withdrew any money what so ever. Then I had to provide support for my product that took around four to five hours a day No that product did not make me a millionaire but it did teach me how to market correctly and how important building relations with people is. I do not think I would have ever sold even a single copy of my book if I had not gained the followers. I still use facebook now a days. I also know what high quality products and services are now. This is what none of the products books or other systems are going to tell you. I am glad I did not buy one in less I saw a real need to for it. I did buy a few books on facebook marketing and one on list building. IM takes work and is far from instant.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by nemious View Post

      There are a number of ways to make money online but none of them are going to instantly get you money. I remember the very first product that I made and then tried to bring it to market. I thought it was going to do good. I spent time and money on graphics. I had a very killer copyright. I then put it on jvzoo still thinking I was going to make a ton of money. The first week past I ended up not making one sale. I didn't make my first sale for almost 2 months. I spent that time building up my facebook fanbase by driving traffic to a free offer. That was coasting me 140 a week at the time that was all I could afford to spend on advertising. I wrote another ebook that I gave away. I now had to keep making fresh content for my rapidly growing fanbase. I hit one million followers by the end of the second month then I posted my product there. I was hopping that I would sell at least one. I needed to sell a few before I even broke even much less make money. Then I made 500 sales in the first day. That was with people liking and sharing my product. Then over the next few weeks I started gaining affiliates also this was a plus for sure. Then I waited another month till the guarantee was gone on the first sales was over before I even withdrew any money what so ever. Then I had to provide support for my product that took around four to five hours a day No that product did not make me a millionaire but it did teach me how to market correctly and how important building relations with people is. I do not think I would have ever sold even a single copy of my book if I had not gained the followers. I still use facebook now a days. I also know what high quality products and services are now. This is what none of the products books or other systems are going to tell you. I am glad I did not buy one in less I saw a real need to for it. I did buy a few books on facebook marketing and one on list building. IM takes work and is far from instant.
      Thanks this is what I was getting at great post

      Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

      Great, you've switched from the make money right now newbie model to the "don't listen to all these guru scammers I believe in real value!" newbie model. In either case you're still repeating half truths you've heard from others.
      So giving real value is a newbie model? I'm sorry... but if giving real value isn't what I'm supposed to do then I am truly confused.

      I'm not repeating half truths... I have been working with some people over the past few months and have seen HANDS ON that when they actually help people make money online, they make money online.

      So I haven't only heard this from others... I have seen it hands on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Can I give a person $300 in value within 2 hours or not?
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

      Can I give a person $300 in value within 2 hours or not?
      Depends...

      I have seen products that sell for over that and are worth every penny and people truly make money with that.

      So yes in a way you can.


      But most of all I would say it depends on what a person considers a $300 value.
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    • Profile picture of the author nemious
      Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

      Can I give a person $300 in value within 2 hours or not?
      I don't know you and cant speak for you. I don't know your skill level anything about you. Speaking for my self No I can not give someone a good high quality value item in two hours. Just the amount of research that I do takes about three. Then lets say I got lazy and made a video instead of a ebook. I would still be looking at about six hours or so. I spend about ten hours writing and researching for my value products. When I do not outsource them. Some of my value products are worth more then a few things that I have came across that are priced at $300.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
        Originally Posted by Jassen View Post

        Of course you can. I charge $420/hr for consulting and taxpayer representation, and my clients always say they get far more than that back in value.

        Value is a funny thing, if you think about it. Different people value different things, and for different reasons. Some people place a high value on the kind of car that they drive, whereas some of us place almost zero value upon cars at all.

        Find a market that is thirsty for a particular kind of value, deliver that value, and you'll do just find in the marketplace.
        This is exactly what I was getting at... it all depends on what a person considers a $300 value

        Thank you for your post
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Reed
        Originally Posted by Jassen View Post

        Of course you can. I charge $420/hr for consulting and taxpayer representation, and my clients always say they get far more than that back in value.

        Value is a funny thing, if you think about it. Different people value different things, and for different reasons. Some people place a high value on the kind of car that they drive, whereas some of us place almost zero value upon cars at all.

        Find a market that is thirsty for a particular kind of value, deliver that value, and you'll do just find in the marketplace.
        Now I'm not trying to pick on Jassen here but this is an example I see all the time and it's an important point for anyone starting off in business.

        The sig claims to $32K in 1 month and $420/hr for consulting... but when I go to the blog and follow the flow to buy the product, I get to a PayPal button - (loud groan).

        If you want to look like a "I just got here rookie", then don't get a real merchant account and only use the free version of PayPal.

        But if you can swing the $15 / month fee, or let's jump right to a $30 / month fee and plunder the daily budget with an extra $1 per day of needless waste (and for simple math), then get a real merchant account and look like a real business.

        Now I'm sure I'll take heat for this comment as people tell me I'm wrong about this all the time... but I cannot tell you how many of these folks are new to the business.

        I give them this advice, they tell me I'm wrong, then I ask how long they've been in business, they tell me they just started, then I say, "see... you just started and jumped right to the free PayPal account".

        So really simple folks... to make money, look professional all the way. Don't destroy your beautiful website, sales funnel, traffic generation, etc. at the most important point of commitment.

        Start your business by getting a real merchant account and offering PayPal as an alternative payment option but not as the primary payment option.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
          Originally Posted by Tom Reed View Post

          Now I'm not trying to pick on Jassen here but this is an example I see all the time and it's an important point for anyone starting off in business.

          The sig claims to $32K in 1 month and $420/hr for consulting... but when I go to the blog and follow the flow to buy the product, I get to a PayPal button - (loud groan).

          If you want to look like a "I just got here rookie", then don't get a real merchant account and only use the free version of PayPal.

          But if you can swing the $15 / month fee, or let's jump right to a $30 / month fee and plunder the daily budget with an extra $1 per day of needless waste (and for simple math), then get a real merchant account and look like a real business.

          Now I'm sure I'll take heat for this comment as people tell me I'm wrong about this all the time... but I cannot tell you how many of these folks are new to the business.

          I give them this advice, they tell me I'm wrong, then I ask how long they've been in business, they tell me they just started, then I say, "see... you just started and jumped right to the free PayPal account".

          So really simple folks... to make money, look professional all the way. Don't destroy your beautiful website, sales funnel, traffic generation, etc. at the most important point of commitment.

          Start your business by getting a real merchant account and offering PayPal as an alternative payment option but not as the primary payment option.
          I would say yes and no.

          I agree that you should always look professional in your business. And if you are selling high ticket items ($500 or more) then you should definitely get a merchant account to protect yourself.

          However, I look at Paypal as convenience to my customer. It's probably safe to say that 90% of people who buy IM products have a Paypal account, and they like to use it for online purchases. If we are talking about out side the IM niche, the percentage is still pretty high.

          It's easy and convenient, and they have a much better "disputes & claims" system than your typical credit card company (not exactly in best interest for the seller, but can be).

          But honestly Paypal has nothing to do with how "professional" you look. If that were the case then why can I go to the biggest retailers in the world like Amazon & Walmart and do one-click purchases with Paypal??

          It's because those powerhouses understand the convenience, and they understand their customers want it. You think they are afraid that it hinders their "professional" appearance? Heck no, in fact they welcome it with open arms, embrace it, and to me they look 10x better to give you the option.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Reed
            Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post

            I would say yes and no.

            I agree that you should always look professional in your business. And if you are selling high ticket items ($500 or more) then you should definitely get a merchant account to protect yourself.

            However, I look at Paypal as convenience to my customer. It's probably safe to say that 90% of people who buy IM products have a Paypal account, and they like to use it for online purchases. If we are talking about out side the IM niche, the percentage is still pretty high.

            It's easy and convenient, and they have a much better "disputes & claims" system than your typical credit card company (not exactly in best interest for the seller, but can be).

            But honestly Paypal has nothing to do with how "professional" you look. If that were the case then why can I go to the biggest retailers in the world like Amazon & Walmart and do one-click purchases with Paypal??

            It's because those powerhouses understand the convenience, and they understand their customers want it. You think they are afraid that it hinders their "professional" appearance? Heck no, in fact they welcome it with open arms, embrace it, and to me they look 10x better to give you the option.
            Yes... key word there is OPTION.

            Not primary payment method, or only payment method but an OPTION.

            This is what I said also. When you make PayPal the only way to pay, you will lose sales... I guarantee this to be a fact.

            And the $500 price point is not true either as people will bail out at any price if you throw doubt or inconvenience in their buying path.

            But here is the challenge question; if you cannot afford the $1 / day for a merchant account, are you really in business or just playing business?

            Trust me on this one, I have a LOT of 1st hand experience with this specific issue across many businesses, and I can assure you that you will sell more if you have a real merchant account and offer PayPal as an option.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
              Originally Posted by Tom Reed View Post

              Yes... key word there is OPTION.

              Not primary payment method, or only payment method but an OPTION.

              This is what I said also. When you make PayPal the only way to pay, you will lose sales... I guarantee this to be a fact.

              And the $500 price point is not true either as people will bail out at any price if you throw doubt or inconvenience in their buying path.

              But here is the challenge question; if you cannot afford the $1 / day for a merchant account, are you really in business or just playing business?

              Trust me on this one, I have a LOT of 1st hand experience with this specific issue across many businesses, and I can assure you that you will sell more if you have a real merchant account and offer PayPal as an option.
              I agree fully on the $1 a day challenge. If you aren't making enough to invest in needed tools in your business then you are failing.

              It's not a matter of affordability for me rather I simply don't want one. I've always used Paypal online and it's never hindered my business. I've made hundreds of thousands online without a complaint.

              Personally I hate going to a website where they have only a merchant account and I have to put in all my info and my credit card and all that junk, and typically those forms look like crap in the first place and you can never really tell how secure they are as opposed to Paypal. I much prefer an easy paypal payment.

              I won't disagree with you though, having the "option" would probably look good but if I were the buyer I'd use the Paypal option every time and I don't think I'm alone on that.
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          • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
            Originally Posted by Jassen View Post

            Hey Tom, just thought I'd take a second to reply to this.
            I should watch what I'm being flip about: apparently merchant accounts are a huge deal. Thanks for sharing your experience.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tom Reed
            Originally Posted by Jassen View Post

            Hey Tom, just thought I'd take a second to reply to this.

            You're actually 100% correct. I despise PayPal with a passion. When I went into private tax practice three years ago, and launched my first online enterprise in my niche the same month, I went with Google Checkout. Due to Google's shutdown of that service, I've been forced to gradually switch over to PayPal this year.

            I know what you're going to say -- Google Checkout ain't much better, and it's not. However, I've been unable to obtain a merchant account because I ended up in Chapter 7 bankruptcy in 2008. I was a full time real estate investor and broker, and lost my shirt in the bubble burst. Merchant account underwriters don't like seeing bankruptcies on your credit report.

            I know for a fact that I've lost no less than $20,000 in revenue this year because of having to use PayPal and Google Checkout, and that's just sales I've lost because people actually told me so. It sucks, but I haven't had much of a choice. When I speak at live events, I have had to use Square for immediate sales, and used WePay for their virtual terminal service (which was suspended last week).

            Not being able to get a merchant account has been the single biggest impact from destroying my credit score.

            Fortunately, that'll all be changing. Literally as of this week, I found a company that would underwrite me for a merchant account, since it's now been 5 years since the bankruptcy was discharged. Booyah!

            Lastly, the site linked to in my signature is NOT where I'm making my $20k-$40k per month. That site is nothing more than a laboratory where I test things. That site makes almost nothing. Even the WSO I ran for that course was nothing but an experiment -- I couldn't fathom making a living $7 at a time (no offense to other successful WSO's out there).

            I did a JV last week with another IM'er in my niche, and did about $15k in sales (mostly coaching). I know I lost at least one $3k sale because of PayPal being the only payment option, because he emailed me and said so. I also hate thinking about what I lose every month because I can't do OTO's, proper upsell/downsell trees, etc.

            If you can possibly avoid using PayPal as your only payment provider, definitely use a real merchant account. However, I've built a decent little business by working through that handicap, and waited out the time period for my credit to improve. So if PayPal is all you can use, don't let that stop you from doing the business.

            Showing the underwriter the level of cash flow running through my PayPal, Square, Google Checkout, and WePay accounts all solidified my application for a real merchant account. Business is about never ending improvement, but sometimes you gotta work with what you got, and run with it.
            Congratulations on the recovery, that is one heck of a great come back story!

            Some people like to bury their failures and only admit their successes but as you've proven, running into a wall, or multiple walls, isn't the end of the line.

            I personally don't know anyone in business that hasn't taken a good butt kicking at some point in time. The difference between the successful folks and the "not successful" folks is that one group got up and tried again while the others used their problems as validation that they cannot be successful.

            (Add me to the group also, if I had an option at the time, I likely would have bailed out because it seemed too hard to recover. But since I had no choice, I was forced to figure out a way to march on and that was the key to hooking up with the folks I'm with now)
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        • Profile picture of the author keith88
          Originally Posted by Tom Reed View Post

          Now I'm not trying to pick on Jassen here but this is an example I see all the time and it's an important point for anyone starting off in business.

          The sig claims to $32K in 1 month and $420/hr for consulting... but when I go to the blog and follow the flow to buy the product, I get to a PayPal button - (loud groan).

          If you want to look like a "I just got here rookie", then don't get a real merchant account and only use the free version of PayPal.

          But if you can swing the $15 / month fee, or let's jump right to a $30 / month fee and plunder the daily budget with an extra $1 per day of needless waste (and for simple math), then get a real merchant account and look like a real business.

          Now I'm sure I'll take heat for this comment as people tell me I'm wrong about this all the time... but I cannot tell you how many of these folks are new to the business.

          I give them this advice, they tell me I'm wrong, then I ask how long they've been in business, they tell me they just started, then I say, "see... you just started and jumped right to the free PayPal account".

          So really simple folks... to make money, look professional all the way. Don't destroy your beautiful website, sales funnel, traffic generation, etc. at the most important point of commitment.

          Start your business by getting a real merchant account and offering PayPal as an alternative payment option but not as the primary payment option.
          Keeping consistency with the image... I like that
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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    So the point you were getting at was the exact opposite idea expressed in your OP?

    Well, okay, thanks for sharing your insights. Anyway.

    Nemious, you are on the right track, but -

    Let's say your skill was copywriting and not product creation. Or

    Let's say you had a team (or a loose alliance of friends who could deliver a... website or brochure or whatever)... Or

    Let's say you were a woman with a big butt and a smile. Or

    Let's say you had a responsive mailing list. Or

    Let's say you spend half of that 2 hours assembling previous projects into a portfolio, made a post on WF, and waited to get paid.

    Usually when someone tells people that there's no way to do X they're either being general or mindlessly reductive.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

      So the point you were getting at was the exact opposite idea expressed in your OP?

      Well, okay, thanks for sharing your insights. Anyway.

      Nemious, you are on the right track, but -

      Let's say your skill was copywriting and not product creation. Or

      Let's say you had a team (or a loose alliance of friends who could deliver a... website or brochure or whatever)... Or

      Let's say you were a woman with a big butt and a smile. Or

      Let's say you had a responsive mailing list. Or

      Let's say you spend half of that 2 hours assembling previous projects into a portfolio, made a post on WF, and waited to get paid.

      Usually when someone tells people that there's no way to do X they're either being general or mindlessly reductive.
      I'm still not understanding how what I said is the complete opposite?

      My original post was about treating this like an offline business and creating a plan.

      This value thing is not making since to me. What you are saying is that providing people with value (something that they can actually benefit and apply to their business) is a newbie model.

      Then you asked if you could provide a $300 value in two hours. We came to the conclusion that it depends. It depends on what you give them and what they see as a $300 value.

      How is that the opposite of what I was saying? I think I am missing something here.
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      • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
        Originally Posted by wealthyseven View Post

        This value thing is not making since to me. What you are saying is that providing people with value (something that they can actually benefit and apply to their business) is a newbie model.
        I didn't say that. I said that making sanctimonious forum threads about delivering true value is a newbie model.

        Just because there aren't magic buttons doesn't mean that's impossible to make money quickly (271 in 2 hours isn't really anyone in the states' definition of rich). It depends on a lot of things.

        So I'm not saying you're being wrong or deceptive. I just see no need to be so high minded in your demeanor.
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        • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
          Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

          I didn't say that. I said that making sanctimonious forum threads about delivering true value is a newbie model.

          Just because there aren't magic buttons doesn't mean that's impossible to make money quickly (271 in 2 hours isn't really anyone in the states' definition of rich). It depends on a lot of things.

          So I'm not saying you're being wrong or deceptive. I just see no need to be so high minded in your demeanor.
          Ok I see what your getting at now.

          I do realize that people can make money fast. I think the main thing that I was trying to point out was you can't create a business overnight. A business takes time & effort & is more than $271 in 2 hours.

          It takes relationships, plans, goals & all that good stuff.

          I do have a lot to learn. But I was trying to teach people what I know right now. Trying to give back a little because people on the warrior forum have helped me out a lot.

          But thanks for your post.
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    • Profile picture of the author nemious
      Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

      So the point you were getting at was the exact opposite idea expressed in your OP?

      Well, okay, thanks for sharing your insights. Anyway.

      Nemious, you are on the right track, but -

      Let's say your skill was copywriting and not product creation. Or

      Let's say you had a team (or a loose alliance of friends who could deliver a... website or brochure or whatever)... Or

      Let's say you were a woman with a big butt and a smile. Or

      Let's say you had a responsive mailing list. Or

      Let's say you spend half of that 2 hours assembling previous projects into a portfolio, made a post on WF, and waited to get paid.

      Usually when someone tells people that there's no way to do X they're either being general or mindlessly reductive.
      Yea I have only one product. I am working my way to scaling it up when I get there. The only resource that I have is my email list and a fanbase now. I agree with you I know a sheep post when I see one. I love copyrighting and making products.

      1 value products
      2 front end product
      3 back end product
      4 follow up
      5 wash and repeat

      Oh this also made me think of something else that I have been doing recently for value. I have been posting CPA offers that give away product samples and product demos.
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    Agree, agree, agree. Building an online income takes months, and even years for some people.
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    And another scammer is born
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      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      And another scammer is born
      Not if we keep an eye on em'
      The hypocrisy is...disturbing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    I'm sticking to get rich quick thanks. The time to fail is a lot shorter. And time is money as they say.
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  • Profile picture of the author keyon
    Originally Posted by wealthyseven View Post

    This is as real as an offline business.

    David
    I understand what you're saying, in regard to the basic operation of a business. But let's not fool ourselves too much. The Web is a very different and unique landscape that provides a marketplace unlike any marketplace the world has ever known. The most distinct feature is certainly the ability to easily reach hundreds, thousands, millions of highly-targeted potential customers at the touch of a button. The only disturbing aspect of this phenomenon is that marketers can target anyone --- including less discerning shoppers who don't have the mental capacity to know what the $300 ebook they just bought is really worth. Kind of sad, actually.
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  • Profile picture of the author Diice
    I'm sorry but just because you cant make money quickly it doesn't mean others cant. The get rich quick methods are not for everyone, and typically involve gambling or very high risk situations.

    I have both made and lost thousands of dollars within the space of a few hours.

    But like with everything in life, It's only the people with the balls to risk and the guts to learn that will reap the rewards.

    Diice
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    • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
      Originally Posted by Diice View Post

      I have both made and lost thousands of dollars within the space of a few hours.

      But like with everything in life, It's only the people with the balls to risk and the guts to learn that will reap the rewards.

      Diice
      This right here is a good post.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    But like with everything in life, It's only the people with the balls to risk and the guts to learn that will reap the rewards.
    This is one of the smartest statements I've read on WF in quite some time.
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  • Profile picture of the author MKCookins
    There are excellent points.

    I believe this is one of the main reason -- if not THE MAIN reason why people fail online. People think they can come into this business making a lot of money and make it fast.

    The truth of the matter is you have to invest both Time and Money.

    I know a lot of people will say you can make money on the internet without spending -- but more then likely these are the people jumping from one program to the next not having a clear plan on what to do.

    You need to invest your money in both training and later on paid traffic to help grow your business, and test out your sales funnels and conversions. You also have to invest in a mentor or coaching program, so you don't waste your money figuring things out on your own.

    Lastly you have to invest time. We can get the best teacher in the world to help us -- but we will not get anywhere until we take action and see what actually works for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fazal Mayar
    Great post, making money online is about patience and hard work
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  • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
    Simple enough.
    My advice is simple enough too. Take your backlinks and put them where people will see them. No different than those advertisements we see driving down the interstate.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by PerformanceMan View Post

      And another scammer is born
      Originally Posted by TheRealDudeman View Post

      Not if we keep an eye on em'
      The hypocrisy is...disturbing.
      I don't understand this... have you guys even read the whole thread? Or have you just read the first part and decided to scroll down & write your opinion. What part of what I said suggests that I'm going to go out and scam people?

      Originally Posted by Diice View Post

      I'm sorry but just because you cant make money quickly it doesn't mean others cant. The get rich quick methods are not for everyone, and typically involve gambling or very high risk situations.

      I have both made and lost thousands of dollars within the space of a few hours.

      But like with everything in life, It's only the people with the balls to risk and the guts to learn that will reap the rewards.

      Diice
      I agree with what you are saying

      Originally Posted by MKCookins View Post

      There are excellent points.

      I believe this is one of the main reason -- if not THE MAIN reason why people fail online. People think they can come into this business making a lot of money and make it fast.

      The truth of the matter is you have to invest both Time and Money.

      I know a lot of people will say you can make money on the internet without spending -- but more then likely these are the people jumping from one program to the next not having a clear plan on what to do.

      You need to invest your money in both training and later on paid traffic to help grow your business, and test out your sales funnels and conversions. You also have to invest in a mentor or coaching program, so you don't waste your money figuring things out on your own.

      Lastly you have to invest time. We can get the best teacher in the world to help us -- but we will not get anywhere until we take action and see what actually works for us.
      Exactly. Have just recently invested in a mentor stopped jumping around from program to program like you said.

      & it does take an investment of time & money. Sure, like we have established it is possible to make money fast. But to grow and actually build a business we have to invest our time & money.

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      I have learned from this posted & changed some of my views because of what you guys have said.

      The thing that bothers me is the fact that I admitted my mistake & was just trying to help some people out. Maybe some new people on the forum that aren't as experienced as the rest of you.

      Just like EVERYONE on the Warrior Forum. I have things to learn. So instead of looking at a post like this, and putting things like "another scammer is born" & taking every negative thing out of this post. Maybe try to pick something out that's positive that I helped you out with.

      Now I have no problem with constructive criticism. I thrive on that and it helps my business grow.

      But...

      In my opinion, there is a difference between criticism, and constructive criticism.

      Anyone out there that points out something wrong that you did & then shows you how to fix it, is giving good constructive criticism.

      Anyone out there that points out something wrong you did and then just bashes you about it, is just criticizing you.

      And I though the warrior forum was here to help people... not put people down...

      Now I realize that a lot of people on the Warrior Forum & some that commented on my post were truly trying to help. Thank you.

      Lastly I'm not saying I'm being picked on or anything, in reality, the people who state that I'm going to be a scammer can think that. They are entitled to their opinions. What I'm going to do now is just continue to try to grow my business the best way I know how with the help of my coach. I will make mistakes, I will have successes & loose money. But what will set me apart is I won't give up.

      So thank you for those who read my post & took something out of it, helped to improve it with your comments, and changed my views to something better.

      To those of you who like to go around and find everything wrong with everyone's views, opinions, and businesses. Please stop or at least start giving advice that will help people out. I just don't like the fact that some people may be turned away from internet marketing because of stuff like this.

      Help make the Warrior Forum a place for learning and growing. A place for constructive criticism, not just criticism.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
    I have to disagree with the OP, and probably most of you. While I agree you can't "get rich instantly" (unless you win the lotto, or casino, or inherit something) you most certainly can make money very very quickly online (and off). And I don't mean a couple bucks, rather several hundred at the least.

    The REAL problem is people tend to look in all the wrong places to make good fast money, instead of focusing on the fundamentals of what works.

    "So, Ivan... you think you can make money fast eh? Let's hear it!"

    Sure. I'm not speaking blindness here. (Don't let my "post count" fool you. This is a new profile but I've been around for a looong time).

    1. WSOs. The heart of this very forum is built around one of the fastest ways to make money online. Yes, there are people spending months on products to perform 6-figure WSO launches, however, making a quick and easy profit for a very short period of work is not hard at all.

    Basically you fire up Microsoft Word, write up a topic you know about, save it as a pdf, create a W+ account/listing, upload the pdf to W+, write up a WSO post and submit. Done. If you product was any good you'll make some money. If you manage to talk to a few people to promote it for you, even better.

    Sure that method is very basic at most, and there are infinite ways to improve it... but the point is ANYONE can go in with very little knowledge of product creation and sell a highly profitable WSO and that entire process can take as little as a few hours.

    And don't lecture me on "2 hour quality". You can most certainly provide a lot of value while only spending 2-3 hours writing an ebook. You may have knowledge of something that could be very useful to others... as long as the value is there, it doesn't matter how long it took you.

    2. Outsourcing/Arbitrage. You can make money, damn good money, within a couple hours with zero experience just by being the middle man. You find someone in need of something done (get on craigslist, odesk, WF, other forums, you name it)... then you go find someone who provides that service.. (craigslist, odesk, WF, other forums, Fiverr you name) and you act as the middle man for a cut of the profit.

    Don't lecture me on this being some sort of "scammy business". It's the biggest business there is. WalMart is just a middle man. Amazon.. middle man. Real Estate agent... middle man.

    You can literally start right now and have found both the consumer and the suppler in less than an hour from now. I've done this a lot and made tuckloads of cash in the process.

    That's just 2 ways. I could spit out a lot more. People over-complicate stuff. There is no need for it. Focus on the basic principles of any business (product/service creation, outsourcing, listbuilding/customer acquisition) and you will do fine.

    Forget about those fancy elaborate over-hyped systems and programs that promise the world. Just focus on the basics and you can make money faster than you ever have in your life.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post

      I have to disagree with the OP, and probably most of you. While I agree you can't "get rich instantly" (unless you win the lotto, or casino, or inherit something) you most certainly can make money very very quickly online (and off). And I don't mean a couple bucks, rather several hundred at the least.

      The REAL problem is people tend to look in all the wrong places to make good fast money, instead of focusing on the fundamentals of what works.

      "So, Ivan... you think you can make money fast eh? Let's hear it!"

      Sure. I'm not speaking blindness here. (Don't let my "post count" fool you. This is a new profile but I've been around for a looong time).

      1. WSOs. The heart of this very forum is built around one of the fastest ways to make money online. Yes, there are people spending months on products to perform 6-figure WSO launches, however, making a quick and easy profit for a very short period of work is not hard at all.

      Basically you fire up Microsoft Word, write up a topic you know about, save it as a pdf, create a W+ account/listing, upload the pdf to W+, write up a WSO post and submit. Done. If you product was any good you'll make some money. If you manage to talk to a few people to promote it for you, even better.

      Sure that method is very basic at most, and there are infinite ways to improve it... but the point is ANYONE can go in with very little knowledge of product creation and sell a highly profitable WSO and that entire process can take as little as a few hours.

      And don't lecture me on "2 hour quality". You can most certainly provide a lot of value while only spending 2-3 hours writing an ebook. You may have knowledge of something that could be very useful to others... as long as the value is there, it doesn't matter how long it took you.

      2. Outsourcing/Arbitrage. You can make money, damn good money, within a couple hours with zero experience just by being the middle man. You find someone in need of something done (get on craigslist, odesk, WF, other forums, you name it)... then you go find someone who provides that service.. (craigslist, odesk, WF, other forums, Fiverr you name) and you act as the middle man for a cut of the profit.

      Don't lecture me on this being some sort of "scammy business". It's the biggest business there is. WalMart is just a middle man. Amazon.. middle man. Real Estate agent... middle man.

      You can literally start right now and have found both the consumer and the suppler in less than an hour from now. I've done this a lot and made tuckloads of cash in the process.

      That's just 2 ways. I could spit out a lot more. People over-complicate stuff. There is no need for it. Focus on the basic principles of any business (product/service creation, outsourcing, listbuilding/customer acquisition) and you will do fine.

      Forget about those fancy elaborate over-hyped systems and programs that promise the world. Just focus on the basics and you can make money faster than you ever have in your life.

      We've already agreed that you can make money quickly. Those ways are valid ways to make some quick cash.

      What I have tried to point out is that when we are trying the create a business, not just a few hundred dollars here and there. It isn't a quick thing. Building a business and making a name for yourself takes more than a few hours.

      But thank you for your post. Very good
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    • Profile picture of the author brutecky
      Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post

      I

      1. WSOs. The heart of this very forum is built around one of the fastest ways to make money online. Yes, there are people spending months on products to perform 6-figure WSO launches, however, making a quick and easy profit for a very short period of work is not hard at all.

      Basically you fire up Microsoft Word, write up a topic you know about, save it as a pdf, create a W+ account/listing, upload the pdf to W+, write up a WSO post and submit. Done. If you product was any good you'll make some money. If you manage to talk to a few people to promote it for you, even better.

      Sure that method is very basic at most, and there are infinite ways to improve it... but the point is ANYONE can go in with very little knowledge of product creation and sell a highly profitable WSO and that entire process can take as little as a few hours.

      And don't lecture me on "2 hour quality". You can most certainly provide a lot of value while only spending 2-3 hours writing an ebook. You may have knowledge of something that could be very useful to others... as long as the value is there, it doesn't matter how long it took you.
      Going to have to disagree with you here on this one. First let me qualify myself by saying I have over 900 sales on the WSO section so I know a thing or two about WSO's. Ok that being said if you think your going to do this and make any money on a WSO your sadly mistaken. Creating a 2 hour e-book and poping up some WSO on it is unlikely to even get the WSO fee back for you. Just have a look at JVZoo or Warrior+ , every day there are several WSO's created that never even break the 10 sale mark. Why because there is a lot more to it that just spending 2-3 hours with MS-WORD.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
        Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

        Going to have to disagree with you here on this one. First let me qualify myself by saying I have over 900 sales on the WSO section so I know a thing or two about WSO's. Ok that being said if you think your going to do this and make any money on a WSO your sadly mistaken. Creating a 2 hour e-book and poping up some WSO on it is unlikely to even get the WSO fee back for you. Just have a look at JVZoo or Warrior+ , every day there are several WSO's created that never even break the 10 sale mark. Why because there is a lot more to it that just spending 2-3 hours with MS-WORD.
        Thanks for the input.

        Let me start out by saying that for a lot of people, what you speak is truth. However I have personally, and know of others, who do exactly that.

        I have well over 10k sales and hundreds of thousands in gross profits in WSOs. Yes you see this account as new but there is a specific reason for that. I wanted to get away from all the attention it brings. I want the money, not the attention.

        I will also say that one of the top 10 sellers on WarriorPlus (under the WSO Alerts section), does exactly what I have mentioned. Of course he got to the top 10 by building a massive list and lots of affiliates, but he got that list and those affiliates from creating product after product of "spending 2-3 hours in MS-WORD" and writing good copy on the sales pages... and to this day he still does the same.

        Granted my 6-figure launches were not simple reports, but that is indeed how I got started and have made thousands upon thousands with simple reports like that.

        I'm not going to argue with you about it, because yes, it requires a bit of talent that some don't have.. and a lot of people fall flat on their face with WSOs. You are most definitely right in that regard. Not everyone will have the same results as others, obviously. But it's absolutely positively doable. I have done it, many others have to.
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        • Profile picture of the author brutecky
          Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post

          Thanks for the input.

          Let me start out by saying that for a lot of people, what you speak is truth. However I have personally, and know of others, who do exactly that.

          I have well over 10k sales and hundreds of thousands in gross profits in WSOs. Yes you see this account as new but there is a specific reason for that. I wanted to get away from all the attention it brings. I want the money, not the attention.

          I will also say that one of the top 10 sellers on WarriorPlus (under the WSO Alerts section), does exactly what I have mentioned. Of course he got to the top 10 by building a massive list and lots of affiliates, but he got that list and those affiliates from creating product after product of "spending 2-3 hours in MS-WORD" and writing good copy on the sales pages... and to this day he still does the same.

          Granted my 6-figure launches were not simple reports, but that is indeed how I got started and have made thousands upon thousands with simple reports like that.

          I'm not going to argue with you about it, because yes, it requires a bit of talent that some don't have.. and a lot of people fall flat on their face with WSOs. You are most definitely right in that regard. Not everyone will have the same results as others, obviously. But it's absolutely positively doable. I have done it, many others have to.
          Wow thanks for the insights. I spent a ton of time on my WSO products. Mainly because all of my WSO's are not products made for the Warrior forum, they are real products that I sell (software mostly) online that Im really just giving a special price on for Warriors.

          I guess thats the difference. Anyway .. thanks for the response and the insight
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          • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
            Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

            Wow thanks for the insights. I spent a ton of time on my WSO products. Mainly because all of my WSO's are not products made for the Warrior forum, they are real products that I sell (software mostly) online that Im really just giving a special price on for Warriors.

            I guess thats the difference. Anyway .. thanks for the response and the insight
            Hey bud, I'm not putting you down at all. I have 100% full respect for that. There are WSOs and products that I've spent literally months on. Those were software as well (ain't support a bitch? just saying).

            I want to clear something up. When I say spend 2 hours writing a report, I am in no way implying to put out a piece of garbage. If there is anything I hate, it's a junk product that provides zero value.

            My main point was that you can make valuable material in a very short period of time and sell a lot of copies. It doesn't happen every time but I wanted to show that it's not a "theory" but factual.

            That being said I have utmost respect for you because I've been exactly where you've been selling damn good software at WSO prices. And it feels like you are being cheated, but the money is so fast and the thrill is so good.. its like crack or something.. it's just addicting.

            I did that for a while, but then I started going off forum for the bigger cash (its even more exciting). But I have all the respect in the world for you.

            Now... on that note, I mentioned that my dabbles are not just theory, so I want to prove a point to all of you. Because I stand behind what I say.

            Just to prove it's possible, tonight I'm going to write up a quick report and post it up tomorrow (or whenever the mods get around to approving it).

            Let's do a test here. I've launched a gazillion WSOs but I have this new account here, very low post count... let's just see how many sales I get :-)

            I'm not bullshitting around, you can see I'm already a War Room member... damn good reason for that.

            I'm a man of my word. You said earlier that most people don't break 10 sales.. Let me show you, with a brand new account, hardly any posts, no affiliates to start, I'll show you 10 sales. I'll show you 20. I'll show you a lot more.

            There are a lot of people on WF that are skiddish about product creation but I want people to know that even if you have no name you can make some damn good money with a WSO... a quick 2-hour report with a 30 minute copy write up. Maybe not thousands, but hundreds for sure.

            So, let this be a test and a demonstration. Befriend me or whatever you need to do to see that I go through with what I have said. I'll post it up tonight and whenever they approve it, I'll make it live.

            I'll name it "Stupid Little Offline Money Maker". Let's see how it goes.
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            • Profile picture of the author ivana
              You know...it is that "EASY" word that is thrown around constantly. "PUSH button" - if you forget it, and concentrate on driving traffic to a page that converts, you are going to make money.

              Yes, this is so much as an offline business, except that you don't have to pump into it 100K to make it work.

              You need an offer and 3-4 sources of traffic and you will be making consistent income.

              Add to that recurring if you can, and you are going to make more money each month.
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            • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
              Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post


              Look forward to it.

              I have not forgotten.

              -Art
              As promised, I have posted the WSO, you can see it in my signature. Took a few days to get it approved by the mods. They are starting to get really picky about sales copy.

              Nevertheless, it's up.. I did not promote it at all, as I said I wouldn't. No promotion to my list, no promotion to affiliates, nothing. Just a raw WSO posted for WF browsers.

              The results so far? Not too bad. 40 sales at this point and converting at 13%, the OTO is converting at 13% as well.

              Affiliates? So far I've scored 21 affiliates. Again I didn't promote this to a JV list or anything, they have all come fresh off the forum.

              So this test is going pretty well. Those 40 new leads will go on to make me several hundred bucks more down the road.

              So this is just to show further proof against my argument earlier that you can indeed write a quick report, post it up as a WSO and make some good cash all within a day or two (and some buyers on your list).
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    • Profile picture of the author BambiFox
      Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post

      .,., you most certainly can make money very very quickly online (and off). And I don't mean a couple bucks, rather several hundred at the least.

      The REAL problem is people tend to look in all the wrong places to make good fast money, instead of focusing on the fundamentals of what works.
      Absolutely true. What most people are thinking when they hear about the possible money made quickly online, it's usually because they come from a "job mentality" mindset. The idea of spending money to make money is really very foreign to most of those who buy WSOs.

      Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post


      1. WSOs.

      2. Outsourcing/Arbitrage.

      That's just 2 ways. I could spit out a lot more. People over-complicate stuff. There is no need for it. Focus on the basic principles of any business (product/service creation, outsourcing, listbuilding/customer acquisition) and you will do fine.

      Forget about those fancy elaborate over-hyped systems and programs that promise the world. Just focus on the basics and you can make money faster than you ever have in your life.
      Products that people will pay for is a ever-growing list. Sometimes you, or your ability to communicate to your customer's needs is the product. That's why coaching programs can do so well for some markets.

      Back in my dancing days, I had a dozen of regular customers who would spend 400/hour just to talk to me about their work day. My willingness to listen and care was a valuable commodity to them. It was simple, but I knew what each customer really wanted.

      What all customers really want. It was to be SEEN. The way they see themselves. And to be dealt with on those terms.

      Thanks Ivan .

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      • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
        Originally Posted by BambiFox View Post

        Absolutely true. What most people are thinking when they hear about the possible money made quickly online, it's usually because they come from a "job mentality" mindset. The idea of spending money to make money is really very foreign to most of those who buy WSOs.



        Products that people will pay for is a ever-growing list. Sometimes you, or your ability to communicate to your customer's needs is the product. That's why coaching programs can do so well for some markets.

        Back in my dancing days, I had a dozen of regular customers who would spend 400/hour just to talk to me about their work day. My willingness to listen and care was a valuable commodity to them. It was simple, but I knew what each customer really wanted.

        What all customers really want. It was to be SEEN. The way they see themselves. And to be dealt with on those terms.

        Thanks Ivan .

        Bambi
        [yes, it is my real name]
        I couldn't have said it better myself, Bambi (coolest name ever, BTW)..

        It really drives me crazy when you present people with an option to make money that isn't free to do and they scream "you mean I have to spend more money after purchasing your report??" YES. This is the real world people. A highly profitable business almost always comes with expenses.

        People are so scared to invest the smallest amount, yet they will buy every shiny object under the sun. Bambi, it didn't occur to me until you just said it that they do this because they have the "job" mentality. I've never had a job mentality so I never understood, but you just blew my mind open with that.

        And the last part of your writings... dead on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
          Originally Posted by Art of Marketing View Post

          What a read. Few twist and turns.

          Can you make money instantly? Of course you can. Get rich quick? If you hit the lotto or that rich uncle left you a mint in his will are some examples. :p

          Travis Sago likes to say get in front of a starving crowd and serve them what they want.

          The same is true online and offline. If its a record hot day and you are selling ice cold bottled water will you make money instantly? :rolleyes:

          So I am a big believer in doing something right now that leads to a sale.

          That does not mean here is a button and if you push it you will be rich. Far from it.

          And even more important are all the other facets of building a real business.

          You have to invest back into it. If you are paying your bills and eating and then just breaking even from your internet marketing you are headed to a financial crunch.

          If you create a list but you do not master how to connect with them and continue to offer them value then you are headed to dead end road.

          Step by step is great...there is alot of that out there if you look for it and even on video but even better is expanding on a proven success. Adding something that was not there before that enhances the offer. That is when big things can happen.

          Network. It pays off later. You want to have a quality product/service but if you have a team effort in place to promote it you will do a heck of a lot better than going solo.

          There are a million ways and reasons people fail and alot of reasons people succeed. Its up to us to find out what to avoid and what to embrace.

          -Art
          Bringing tears to my eyes here. You hit the nail on the head. Can you make a lot of money fast?? Damn right you can. Can you turn it into a sustainable business?? Damn right you can, with the proper system.

          I really wanted to expand on what you said about networking. You are absolutely 100% correct. The more people you interact with, the more leverage you have.

          I network with people have absolutely no relation to what I do. Why? because that is opportunity. By doing that I'm branching out into places most people don't (or won't). When you can bring several industries together into one place you can write your own check.

          You never know.. that guy who sells carpet cleaning products could potentially make you $xxx,xxx's because he has several thousand clients on a list but has no idea what a webinar or internet marketing is... then you partner with him and leverage his list to sell ungodly amounts of product to them.

          It all depends on your mindset. Bambi made a massive point earlier. Do you have a "job" mindset" or an "entrepreneurial" mindset? A true entrepreneur see opportunity in every single thing they experience.

          For example, as I'm walking down the street, or watching tv (which I do little of), or shop for groceries... My mind is constantly aware of everything around me. How a product is branded and placed on the shelf. How an advertisement is presented. How a billboard is laid out. What products are people buying billboard space for? How much is a certain product? Are they focusing on the product or an image around the product? What business do I use regularly are highly profitable?

          And my favorite question... "How can I replicate what they are doing?"

          If you ask that question with EVERYTHING you experience around you, your life and mentality changes.

          Like these MLM programs.. do I want to join one? **** no. But they are making a LOT of cash.. so I think to myself... how can I create the same thing?

          Your mindset will make the biggest difference in your business and life.
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            Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post

            Your mindset will make the biggest difference in your business and life.
            My favorite quote so far in this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author BambiFox
          Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post


          People are so scared to invest the smallest amount, yet they will buy every shiny object under the sun. Bambi, it didn't occur to me until you just said it that they do this because they have the "job" mentality. I've never had a job mentality so I never understood, but you just blew my mind open with that.

          And the last part of your writings... dead on.
          Thanks for the kind words, Ivan.

          I've been primarily self-employed, at least that's what the government says.

          When I went online 4 years ago writing sales copy, MY sales copy and MY beliefs interfacing the customer made the difference. They needed to be accurate and useful and the buyer(s) of my work needed to realize it. Or I would have failed.

          It cost a lot of money and time proving it before I got a dime.

          Showing up isn't enough. With a name like mine, you have to be good. :rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    To the OP:

    1. Most people making comments after you made clear your change of course obviously didn't take the time to read the entire thread. One of my pet peeves is when someone admits "I didn't read this entire thread or even your entire post but here's my opinion anyway". Not helpful, in most cases, in any sense of the word.

    2. If you've changed your opinion and way of doing things, the respectable, ethical, moral people are applauding you. The idiots that would sell their soul or their mother's soul for a quick buck think you are the idiot.

    3. RE: Constructive criticism vs. criticism - you deserved criticism. It appeared to anyone that read your post while you still had your signature there that you were going to keep the "scam" going on the backend while preaching against that very type of scam on the frontend. There was nothing nice or constructive to say.

    4. Now that you've made your intentions and change of mind clear, if it's true, then you need help, support, friendship, etc. as you progress on your journey.

    Good luck.

    Mark
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    • Profile picture of the author Ivan Chekov
      Originally Posted by wealthyseven View Post

      We've already agreed that you can make money quickly. Those ways are valid ways to make some quick cash.

      What I have tried to point out is that when we are trying the create a business, not just a few hundred dollars here and there. It isn't a quick thing. Building a business and making a name for yourself takes more than a few hours.

      But thank you for your post. Very good
      Yes I read that above, but was simply adding to the discussion, however I must say that the methods I mentioned are in fact real businesses that you can start right away an build to infinity.

      I do agree with you that it will take time to make millions with them, but they are immediate, instantaneous, regular revenue generating businesses if you treat them as such.

      As far as making a name for yourself.. it only depends on how many people you want to make your name prevalent with. And even still it doesn't necessarily have to take a long time. Look at Justin Beiber... he posted a few videos online and his name instantly became branded into everyone's head. (that just goes to show you don't even have to have much going for you.. or a likeable personality... to hit it big).

      Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not a troll. I don't mean to argue. I'm simply presenting the other side of the coin.

      Thanks for the kind words. I hope you eventually figure it out for yourself.

      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      To the OP:

      1. Most people making comments after you made clear your change of course obviously didn't take the time to read the entire thread. One of my pet peeves is when someone admits "I didn't read this entire thread or even your entire post but here's my opinion anyway". Not helpful, in most cases, in any sense of the word.

      2. If you've changed your opinion and way of doing things, the respectable, ethical, moral people are applauding you. The idiots that would sell their soul or their mother's soul for a quick buck think you are the idiot.

      3. RE: Constructive criticism vs. criticism - you deserved criticism. It appeared to anyone that read your post while you still had your signature there that you were going to keep the "scam" going on the backend while preaching against that very type of scam on the frontend. There was nothing nice or constructive to say.

      4. Now that you've made your intentions and change of mind clear, if it's true, then you need help, support, friendship, etc. as you progress on your journey.

      Good luck.

      Mark
      I agree. And that's what we are all here for, right?
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      • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
        Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post

        Yes I read that above, but was simply adding to the discussion, however I must say that the methods I mentioned are in fact real businesses that you can start right away an build to infinity.

        I do agree with you that it will take time to make millions with them, but they are immediate, instantaneous, regular revenue generating businesses if you treat them as such.

        As far as making a name for yourself.. it only depends on how many people you want to make your name prevalent with. And even still it doesn't necessarily have to take a long time. Look at Justin Beiber... he posted a few videos online and his name instantly became branded into everyone's head. (that just goes to show you don't even have to have much going for you.. or a likeable personality... to hit it big).

        Don't take this the wrong way. I'm not a troll. I don't mean to argue. I'm simply presenting the other side of the coin.

        Thanks for the kind words. I hope you eventually figure it out for yourself.



        I agree. And that's what we are all here for, right?

        Agreed I do see the other side of the coin thanks for adding your thoughts
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        Great discussion. Enjoy reading the points made on both short term and long term. And both discussions are helpful. Good thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by Mark Singletary View Post

      To the OP:

      1. Most people making comments after you made clear your change of course obviously didn't take the time to read the entire thread. One of my pet peeves is when someone admits "I didn't read this entire thread or even your entire post but here's my opinion anyway". Not helpful, in most cases, in any sense of the word.

      2. If you've changed your opinion and way of doing things, the respectable, ethical, moral people are applauding you. The idiots that would sell their soul or their mother's soul for a quick buck think you are the idiot.

      3. RE: Constructive criticism vs. criticism - you deserved criticism. It appeared to anyone that read your post while you still had your signature there that you were going to keep the "scam" going on the backend while preaching against that very type of scam on the frontend. There was nothing nice or constructive to say.

      4. Now that you've made your intentions and change of mind clear, if it's true, then you need help, support, friendship, etc. as you progress on your journey.

      Good luck.

      Mark

      Thank you for this

      I totally agree I deserved criticism while I had my sig still up. After I took it down & let people know my intentions it bugged me that people still were calling me a scammer after they obliviously hadn't read the whole post. That's where I was talking about constructive criticism and just criticism.

      The fact that you took the time to read through the whole post & share your opinion shows that you are really here to help.

      Thanks again Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author DeanJames
    People tend to put the cart before the horse. They want the wealth but without the work and they want it fast... but without having mastered any aspect of what they are doing.

    The simple fact of life is that it will pay you whatever you ask of it, but in order to achieve that you have to render service of greater 'perceived' value than the monetary compensation you will receive in return.

    The more people you can render this service to, the more wealthy you will become.

    Anyone that thinks they can 'push a button' and become rich is delusional.

    You can make thousands or even millions in a day. One of my friends emailed me the other day to tell me he had just made $152,000 in a day. He deserves every cent of it because he took the time to learn his craft and persevere at times when most people would quit. Nobody from the outside sees that he dedicated 14 years of his life to reach the point where he could bank 150k in a day.

    Food for thought!
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    • Profile picture of the author darkonetoo
      Originally Posted by DeanJames View Post

      The simple fact of life is that it will pay you whatever you ask of it, but in order to achieve that you have to render service of greater 'perceived' value than the monetary compensation you will receive in return.

      The more people you can render this service to, the more wealthy you will become.
      I too am a serious believer of Think and Grow Rich by Napolean Hill, and have found similar success when I provide greater value in a sales situation.

      The big deal, is the "perceived" value by the target customers. They have to believe that what they are about to get from you is HUGELY valuable to THEM personally, not just a general value.

      This marketing thing may be simple, but it sure isn't that easy.

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  • Profile picture of the author Micah Medina
    Thanks for the word on the crucial nature of shopping carts, shopping cart expert Tom Reed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Reed
      Originally Posted by Micah Medina View Post

      Thanks for the word on the crucial nature of shopping carts, shopping cart expert Tom Reed.
      hmmm... Micah, did you even read my post or just jumped in to criticize me?

      I assume that you know the difference between a "Merchant Account" and a "Shopping Cart"?

      If you do know the difference then you should re-read my post (never mentioned a "shopping cart" in the entire post), if you don't know the difference, then you should take some time to learn this instead of looking for ways to criticize someone for something not even said (except in your mind).

      But thank you anyhow for the insightful and value adding post. I'm sure we all learned a lot from it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monja
    david so true,
    it also took me a while to realize that there is NO magic bullet or program which can make me rich.
    whatever i did - it was hard work. in the contrast, when i set up a site and did NOT work hard on it it didn't get enough traffic or just so lala and then "failed" - actually it didn't fail, it just didn't get enough attention from my part.
    fact is: when you open an offline business you work your butt off, day in and day out. you simply do your very very best and market like crazy.
    funny thing is that when you open an online business you think that things will just happen when you publish one post per week... 1 post per week means, even if you put in a lot of time, in max 2 hours. so it will be normal that someone who puts in 40+ hours per week will reach more much quicker than someone who invests just 2 hours.
    so it all depends:
    how much time can you devote to your business and actually do things beside talking, asking or learning?
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    • Profile picture of the author keith88
      Originally Posted by Monja View Post

      david so true,
      it also took me a while to realize that there is NO magic bullet or program which can make me rich.
      whatever i did - it was hard work. in the contrast, when i set up a site and did NOT work hard on it it didn't get enough traffic or just so lala and then "failed" - actually it didn't fail, it just didn't get enough attention from my part.
      fact is: when you open an offline business you work your butt off, day in and day out. you simply do your very very best and market like crazy.
      funny thing is that when you open an online business you think that things will just happen when you publish one post per week... 1 post per week means, even if you put in a lot of time, in max 2 hours. so it will be normal that someone who puts in 40+ hours per week will reach more much quicker than someone who invests just 2 hours.
      so it all depends:
      how much time can you devote to your business and actually do things beside talking, asking or learning?
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  • Profile picture of the author LisaAnn45
    Thanks for that post. That is the one thing know about this internet marketing thing, is that IT IS a business and I need to treat it as such. There's so much I need to learn. But going inti this as a business will help.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by Ivan Chekov View Post


      I'll name it "Stupid Little Offline Money Maker". Let's see how it goes.
      Well dang it! I may have to buy just for the title. lol - but you'd better have some good copy on there.

      BTW, approval can take longer than a few hours at times.

      On another note, I spent a few hours one morning very very early. I fired up the MS Word, banged out a big pack of PLR articles on a niche (not MMO) and did make over a hundred bucks profit after fees on it - so the quick 2 hours thing can and does work (waited longer for WSO approval than it took me to write the articles). I'll admit though, I had such thorough knowledge on the topic myself as I had already invested months involved in it (it was a hobby )
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  • Hi David,

    Some good ideas in your post but if you think setting goals or self hypnosis or reading self development books will enable you to start making money, we are sorry to burst your bubble but that alone will not change your fortunes.

    Relationship and list building is what makes it! The money really is in your list. Create a squeeze page, give away something related to your niche for free yet having real value.

    We also believe in writing a content packed free information blog with frequent updates of fresh material with a link to your squeeze page. Adding good video and related pictures also help to make it appealing and finally driving targeted traffic to that blog is the way to eventual success at list building.

    Then give your list good follow up more free yet value information before adding in week two a link to a product or an affiliate related product at the end of more useful information so you are not selling but recommending a way to speed up their knowledge or progress in the niche they signed up to learn more about.

    Answer their questions instead of asking for their money. Solve their problems and some will buy your recommendations eventually and more as your list grows?

    That is what we do and it works for us.

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  • Profile picture of the author coreypaulotten
    There truly is no other way to get rich. Have you ever seen a millionaire online that did it slow?

    Making a little money for a long time UNTIL they are rich? NO

    You see someone who tries a long time. Then BAM. They get rich QUICK! All this you can't get rich crap. is just that. CRAP. There are certain things you can do to get there. But no one I know who is rich got rich SLOW.

    Get that outta your head!
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  • Most people who work hard make s*&#&. Work doesn't pay. It's simple as that, it smart work, leveraged etc. But working most of the time is just futile.
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    I lead horses to water all the time... the problem is when the horse expects me to scoop the water into a cup and hand it to him with a little umbrella in it. That horse is an idiot.
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  • Profile picture of the author kayoz
    Am I alone or is anyone else sick of only seeing raving review for products on the forum when they're launched? How is that delivering value to the end user who's paying the bill for all this? It's bull crap. I have purchased product on here that was less then mediocre and yet all you see is rave reviews. If anyone posts a legitimate negative review because the software or product really is junk, it's removed, and only the rave reviews are left which is misleading, false advertising and total bullshit.

    If you crate a product and you can't take the fact that some people are going to NOT like it, or will be real developers and tell you it's crap, then you shouldn't be in the business. There are real developers out there, serious programmers, not just flogging another piece of junk to pad their pockets while emptying the pockets of others with pipe dreams that they can never deliver.

    When I see nothing but rave reviews on a product launch on the forum anymore, I automatically assume they paid for those reviews, or, it's like the good old boys club, you scratch my back I'll scratch yours and we'll all bullshit about how great everything we do is when in fact, IT"S NOT! I believe the forum should leave the negative reviews along with the positive ones so that the buyer gets a fair idea. This isn't a forum if it removes negative or not so glowing reviews. Just my thoughts. Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author MJ Collins
      Originally Posted by kayoz View Post

      Am I alone or is anyone else sick of only seeing raving review for products on the forum when they're launched?
      Here's a product with a number of less than stellar reviews...

      http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...cant-fail.html

      There are techniques to push down negative comments but why not go to the back and read comments going forward?
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  • Profile picture of the author ronrule
    There aren't very many paid reviews here - but what DOES happen often is that a product gets rave reviews "conceptually", then flunks out in actual practice. And people don't want to go back and post their results after everyone already saw their glowing review.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    When I first entered internet marketing I was sold "the dream" and "get rich quick" too.

    I was told, recruit this person, than they can recruit that person, who in turn recruits another person!

    Now that I look back I see people fall victim to MLM and lies all the time.

    But if you are really serious, you will make it a goal to build a REAL sustainable business online.

    I know I will help my people out and show them the right way !

    Lots of trial and error and experience I have been through to get where I am today.

    And I am still learning and getting better each and everyday.
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  • Profile picture of the author mhobbs25
    I don't think you are in a position to be giving advice on making money from home until you have actually made it...

    Yes I agree that you have to work to make money since I have done exactly that myself... It took me 6 years to hit a 6 figure income from home... Who is to say that is not quick through?

    What is get rich quick truly? I personally believe 6 years is pretty dang quick!

    What is not possible is get rich in 30 days from scratch, but the word quick has so many different interpretations to some people then to others...

    I wish people would not give advice on a topic until they are actually successful with that area in their life...
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by mhobbs25 View Post

      I don't think you are in a position to be giving advice on making money from home until you have actually made it...

      Yes I agree that you have to work to make money since I have done exactly that myself... It took me 6 years to hit a 6 figure income from home... Who is to say that is not quick through?

      What is get rich quick truly? I personally believe 6 years is pretty dang quick!

      What is not possible is get rich in 30 days from scratch, but the word quick has so many different interpretations to some people then to others...

      I wish people would not give advice on a topic until they are actually successful with that area in their life...

      Yes I agree with you quick has a lot of different meanings to different people. What I was trying to say is creating a plan will do wonders for you. Not just in making money but being productive in your business.

      I've mentioned that before later in the thread. The focus of this was creating a plan & getting the mindset of getting rich by tomorrow out of your head. That is what has held me back & now I am actually getting things done.

      So I am in a way successful in that area... I have created a plan, budget, and all those things I've mentioned and it has done wonders for my business.

      I wish people would read through the whole thread before commenting...
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  • I dont' think most people like or want to work, why do you think millions demand and get stuff for free?
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  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    The only way I can think of to make money instantly is to be involved with some form of gambling. But I understand where the OP is coming from. I wasted a lot of money chasing get rich quick schemes. In fact I used to collect sales letters for entertainment value. With me it was mail-order though. Once I got onto their mailing lists I would get a bunch of offers almost everyday. I was hooked. I am now wise enough to realize that there is no such thing as get rich quick.
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I've built websites for guys who have no business plan and those who have 2000 page business plans.

    Makes no difference as to the eventual success or failure of their business.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by brettb View Post

      I've built websites for guys who have no business plan and those who have 2000 page business plans.

      Makes no difference as to the eventual success or failure of their business.

      I would have to disagree with you.

      Granted people with no business plans can definitely make the business succeed.

      But from what I have seen and witnessed first hand with my business is that it does make a difference.

      I am not saying people need a 2000 page business plan. But people do need a plan. Even something as symple as a budget and what their goals are that month. I think that will greatly increase their chances of succeeding.

      For example, if you were going to create a info product. A person who wrote down a simple plan with things like:

      What is my product going to be about?
      How much money will it cost to create this?
      When do I want to finish my product?
      How will I get it out on the market?
      How will I gain affiliates?
      How will I gain traffic.

      This is only an example but if he kept this in mind he would have a good direction of where they were going and would most likely be more successful than a person who had no plan and just winged it.
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      • Profile picture of the author MJ Collins
        Rich and quick are relative terms.

        In 1996 I was selling cars. One of the first guys around to have a web site, people were coming in to buy cars from me at the dealership and I was getting calls from everywhere, literally Tahiti, Detroit, people were dropping in from NY.

        Then I got fired from the dealership. My sense of humor can be a bit twisted and I stepped over the line for the last time.

        Immediately I started calling other dealerships. Sold my web site the next afternoon for cash on delivery. One sale led to another. Soon my project bin was full and guys who sold industrial advertising were feeding me customers.

        I was making a hundred bucks a page to convert catalogs to html and load it up to a hosted account.

        The earnings per project averaged $2k. I got paid half up front, half on completion.

        To me, that was rich and it took off quickly. All relative.
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  • Profile picture of the author spiegs13
    This is a great thread with some very valuable insights. What I have learned in my internet marketing journey falls right into what many are saying about "over-complicating" the business.

    There are so many high converting offers out there that one literally can latch onto any one of them and start being successful immediately, IF they know how to market.

    So many people get hung up on the product that they lose sight of the exposure part. Then they realize exposure is everything and then they try to be a master at everything. Stop it!

    One of the most valuable things I ever did to make money quickly was first find out one ONE OR TWO marketing methods I enjoyed, and then became great at those through repetition. To me, that is key. Because if you are really good at a few marketing methods(video marketing, FB PPC, blogging, banner ads, etc.) you can literally create money instantly by just plug and play any offer you choose.

    The "cart before the horse" is indeed rampant amongst inexperienced/unsuccessful marketers, but in reality it's the quality of ones marketing that equals success. At least that is my experience.

    -Spiegs
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  • Profile picture of the author Omarkenawy
    Hello
    I`m totally 100% with your thought, that`s right we should treat our internet business like offline business
    So many people know that offline business may take some efforts and time to achieve the best results but about people who would start their online business, they should not change this concept and their mindset must be set up and focused on this
    " HAVE TO KNOW, THIS IS AS REAL AS AN OFFLINE BUSINESS".
    Thanks very much for sharing this amazing post
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Mak
    This is true that when wso owner write something sweet in their copy will make more sale, especially when they show a Lamborghini in the video, this image trigger the push button in your mind to click on the buy now button.

    I still believe in push button magic, just no one have build one for us.
    i can tell from my experience, anything that you do with a computer is possible to replicate with programming. (beside creative work)

    those guru will not build this because the investment and workload is huge, plus the newbie are all stupid, just make simple plugin and invest in sales copy, they will come and buy anyway.
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