Stop Being A Newbie!

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If you've been a newbie for over a year, then you might be a redneck.

No seriously, if you are a newbie right now, then you need to stop being a newbie and start selling stuff. In fact, just get a squeeze page up and send traffic to it.

If you do that, then you'll be further along than 95% of all newbies right away.

Send traffic to a squeeze page, and you're in business. That's it.

Want to make six figures per year? send enough traffic to a squeeze page that you build a list of 5,000 subscribers or more.

I'm now fully convinced that people dont make money because of the BARRIERS they put up that prevents them from making money.

BARRIERS = mindset, making things harder than what they are, self sabotage, fears, overwhelmed, buying too much, lost, analysis paralysis or whatever the heck that is, etc etc

If you just put up a squeeze page and sent traffic to it, you'd be in the game... instead of on the sidelines wondering what to do and how to do it.

dont know where to start?

traffic to a squeeze page. that's it. start there.

focus 98% of your time on that, and nothing else and just watch what happens.

Look, the best way to learn anything is to do it. The best way to learn this business is to do this business.

Once you are sending traffic to a squeeze page, the rest is easy...just promote stuff via emails. dont overcomplicate things and if someone posts below in this thread complicating this, ignore them.

It really is that easy.

(you make it sound so easy Eric)

IT IS!

If you are not making any money, it is because you are not selling anything.

(but Eric, I have a squeeze page)

Are you sending traffic to it constantly?

(but Eric, I am using articles and twitter)

Neither have ever made me a dime. I'm not saying they dont work, but I cant speak for those methods. But, if you've been at those methods for more than a few weeks, then that's a lot of time to spend for nothing.

I would never put my income on the line where it depends on Twitter or articles. That's just me. Feel free to disagree. I dont care.

Paid traffic
Affiliates

That's what has worked for me. Again, twitter may be great for traffic, I just would not focus my effort there. SEO works too, I'm just not good at it.

So, if you wonder why so many never make any money in this business, it's because they cant get traffic... they never-ever get started anyway... they are never selling anything... they offer no services... they sell nothing... they buy everything... they never treat this like a business... they just read, post, buy, read, post, buy, disappear for a while, come back, buy, post, read... etc etc etc

...for years

and are still newbies.

Sell something!

Eric
#main internet marketing discussion forum #newbie #stop
  • Looks to me like someone has heard one too many pleas from people asking your help on making money online.

    Inspirational post, Eric. I'm sure many people here at the warrior forum will be jump-started by reading this article. Many of us around here are still struggling to find our way in to the market. But when you think about it, why is that even the case anymore? I think all of us have heard at least 10 different "can't-miss" profit formulas. The information is here, and you most likely already have that information. Put it into action. After all, you don't succeed 100% of the time when you don't even attempt to try.
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    • well, if this business is going to put food on your table, pay your bills and be your full time (longterm) income, I think it needs to build assets.

      the business should build a database of prospects and customers (whom can be sold over and over again forever).

      If you have a database of customers/prospects than you have assets. You have a business that can last for a long time.

      And, for the future of marketing online, I'd look into taking your prospects/customers and taking them offline -- out of email auto-responders. I mean, I hate depending on emails for my marketing. So, we're looking into mastering post cards, newsletters, phone calls and other avenues for reaching our prospects/marketplace and customers.

      I'd hate to get a Gmail slap, or Aweber slap, or something like that.... ya know?

      Anyway, traffic to a squeeze page, that's it.

      From there, you're in the game and can focus more on building a relationship with your list, warming them up to you, promoting other things, etc etc

      Eric
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  • Getting started is that simple. Obviously you're going to have to keep learning growing and developing, but doing that will get you rolling.

    The only problem is most people KNOW this, but they don't do it.

    So the real question is why don't they follow these simple steps?

    Subconscious patterning. I've been doing alot of studying on this subject.

    Most people know what to do to get where they want, but on a subconscious
    level they don't want to break out of their comfort zone.

    Unless you reprogram your subconscious you'll be moving through this
    whole internet marketing thing with your brakes on. Taking forever to
    get stuff done that should take an hour. or never doing it at all.

    There are many ways to reprogram your subconscious patterning.

    But all of them require you take action through fear and discomfort,
    which most people won't do.

    One of the best ways is to say "**** sleep" and keep working.

    You'll notice your subconscious mind has many tactics to make sure
    you don't repattern it. Like getting tired when you need to be working.

    I could go on all day, don't want to steal your thread, but I think it's
    a great topic for discussion.

    Daniel
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  • Thanks Eric,

    I am a real newbie and have been following a few programs for the past 2 weeks.. i know i should get this F@#$n thing started but i seem to always want to find out more and cross reference and double check, then triple check to see if something is worth spending time on.. then going back to see if there may be a better/faster way to produce the same results.. then getting misled.. then finding another great idea that would cost less.. then.. DAMMIT NO AND THEN!! I'm out to create a squeeze page and do my best to get some traffic.. i'll learn what i can along the way.

    Thank you,
    Simon
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    • Newbie from Zero to Hero!

      from warrior i already made a living online, everybody should give a shoot here and stop became noobs anymore,

      warriors provide great idea and tools for yer business idea

      thanks,
      Agung
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  • This is a great thread because I am also that newbie that you speak of. I get bogged down with too much information. E-Mail marketing, PPC, CPA, Wordpress blogs, Adsense, landing pages, squeeze pages, contextual advertising, SEO... There's just so much and I'm constantly trying to figure out how they all intertwine between each other. I guess I just need to simplify. Learn one method until it completely makes sense and then start branching out.
  • Great post Eric,

    Could you please give us some good ways to drive traffic to our squeeze page.I know there this ppc but what type of keywords do you use with ppc.If you could tell ous your best method to drive traffic that would be very helpfull.Thanks,Bob
  • Great post! You are absolutely right though in terms of taking action. There will never be a "perfect" time to start, so you might as well start now, stop analyzing every possible reason for failure, and just get on with it. ACTION solves all problems. Again, great wake up call!

    E.
  • I'm a bit Like Riley in that sense... I like being a newbie.. but it has to be a new version of newbie every week with something new.

    That way, I know I'm learning fresh stuff and staying out of my comfort zone...

    Peace

    Jay
  • Thank God I'm no longer a newbie

    After 3 years running online business, I'm sure I'm paying myself a pretty big 'salary' every month.

    Anyway, I urge all newbies out there read this great post. Take Eric's words and let them motivate you. That said, stop being a newbie!
  • Eric Louviere

    Eric,

    For better or worse, I would guess that 90% of people on this forum are using article marketing as their main traffic generation method. If these methods are not making you a dime, what methods are you using to drive traffic to your squeeze page?

    all the best
  • How can a member be a newbie for 5 years? Really how it is possible?
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    • This post made me laugh!
      You can make every excuse in the world to avoid success so what is your reason to succeed?
  • I find it fascinating that you put up that number, 5,000. Because that was
    the magic number for me Eric. Once I hit 5,000 subscribers, that's when I
    hit 6 figures a year.

    So I have to ask, is this a basic standard in the business? Get 5,000
    subscribers and make 6 figures, more or less?

    The reason I'm asking is I've heard the "theory" that you'll make $1 per
    subscriber per month, but that only translates into $60,000 a year. I'm
    doing about $2 per subscriber so I am just wondering what the average
    figures really are or is the real truth...nobody knows?

    Just curious.

    Anyway, great post.
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    • I dont really think anyone can state a magic number (like 5000) for a list and say that number of subscribers equals X amount of money. I mean a list of 1000 could do as much as a list of 5000, or 20,000.

      I mean, what niche market is it? what did they get when they opted in? How did you get them to your page in the first place? What do you give them? What do you sell them? How do you brand yourself to them and create "believability" or credibility factors? and so on...

      I'd say if you have a list of 5k and it's making you six figures, then you do a good job of managing your list - and that the market you are in is a passionate one indeed.

      I think one of the best things you can do with your list is interact with them. I mean, have a tele-seminar or webinar, offer them videos, let them see you and hear you. for some that's scary, but if you can do that right, you can boost response.

      people buy because they like you, trust you and believe you. The more credibility you have with your list, the more proof factors you tap into, the more they will buy and they will come after you... asking you to sell them more stuff.

      I'm not the greatest at managing lists actually. Others here could probably give you much better advice for managing a list. It's just my opinion that "warming up" prospects and staying "top of mind awareness" can boost response ---- ultimately turning that 5k list into a six figure income.

      Anyway, Steve, I hope that helps a bit. Good question though, I wonder myself what the industry standard is. but, there are so many variables, I'd say it's pretty hard to state as a fact.
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  • I watched Moffatt say something last night...

    You don't need a big list of people...you just need a list of followers...may it be 2k-5k-10k whatever...if they are interested in you and you know how to build a relationship with them...then you'll make more money then somebody that has 3x your list but he does nothing to to make them his "friends".
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    • Great point. I can see how building up the trust and relationship can go a long way.

  • AWESOME!! That is exactly the key - you have to sell something to make money!
  • Eric,

    You are absolutely right. It's not rocket science. If a person will start with the basics, stick to them and perfect them, the chances of success are practically guaranteed.

    Pick up niche.
    Put up a squeeze page.
    Promote. Promote. Promote.

    Certainly, there are a lot of details that need to be learned - keyword research, product evaluation or creation, analysis of competition, etc. - but these should build on the fundamentals and not stray from them.

    Thanks for the motivating message.

    William
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    • Good thread, Eric.

      I'm always a newbie at something I'm doing - but it's a temporary condition, not a permanent handicap!

      kay
  • I agree completely. I never made a dime until I got it through my thick head that I needed a list. It really is as easy as you say:

    1. Build list
    2. Market to list
    3. Repeat
  • There are at least two kinds of newbies on this forum. The more common type are those who come here looking for the shortcut to effortless millions. They are grist for the mill created to separate them from their cash in return for a pocketful of dreams.

    The other, rarer, type are those who, for whatever reason, have made a commitment to learn and do whatever it takes to free themselves of their employer's shackles and strike out on their own.

    For this second type, this thread will set off bells and turn on light bulbs. They'll get it.

    "He who knows and knows not that he knows
    Is asleep. Wake him.

    He who knows not and knows that he knows not
    Is a child. Teach him.

    He who knows not and knows not that he knows not
    Is a fool. Shun him.

    He who knows and knows that he knows
    Is wise. Follow him."-Old Arabic Proverb
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  • They are waiting until everything is perfect before they start... (I've been guilty of that one)!

    Thanks Eric, great post.

    Col
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  • Eric i think you post this because of me...lol I think is time to start taking more action on what have learn most especially here ....
  • Excellent post, well said. Time to shed the newbie title and be a man.

    I always believe that action speaks louder than words. All talk and no action gets you no where. Once again, well said.

    Truly inspirational.
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    Eric, I can agree with most of what you say. Here's my 2 cents.

    Since I am a very experienced Marketer, not an Internet person I am going to set everyone straight

    The problem with IT people, Affiliates, SEO, PPC, Site design, etc... is that YOU don't know Marketing. You know how to Build stuff.

    Frank Kern is a student of Dan Kennedy, why do you think Frank is successful? Eben Pagan, Russell Brunson, etc... guess who their mentor is? The top gurus know how to attract customers, magnetic marketing, people chase them, not the other way around.

    Forget you know anything about the Internet, seriously. What if there was no internet?

    I have never built a site, blog, uploaded videos, audio, etc...

    I know a decent amount about SEO, I'm very good at PPC, and Website design/layout. I learned from the Masters: Opt in to their email list and receive Alerts.
    • Eyetracking Research into Web Usability Learn how to build sites correctly. I don't know how to use the software to build sites, but I'll tell you this. I can go toe to toe with anyone on how to Layout a website. What converts, what doesn't. I outsource my work and dictate the design.
    I have to admit my marketing skills are very good. I learned how to Market irrespective of any Media that is available to me. I don't need the Internet to make a killing. It just so happens I'm very good at it and right now it's the Wild Wild West days of the Internet so I can make a small fortune.

    I was studying Gary Halbert back in the 80's about marketing and direct mail. Gary Halbert is the one who hooked me on marketing. I still have the 1st manual (cheap copies from a junk printer with a terrible binder) that I bought from Gary. I think I paid $87 25 years ago. He was very blunt, talked about sex, his girlfriends, etc... I was hooked

    Since then I've gone on to study the Masters: John Caples, David Ogilvy, Dan Kennedy, Gary Halbert, Claude Hopkins, Dick Benson, etc...

    If you read the books below I guarantee YOU will know more than 99% about Marketing than anyone here on the WF and the Planet. See how easy it really is! Get these books, about $200 and read.

    My advice it to learn Marketing 1st, then buy a course like the one Eben Pagan released yesterday, then Implement. This will Guarantee success.

    Let me give you what I consider some of the best books available:

    Influence, Robert B. Cialdini, Book - Barnes & Noble

    Amazon.com: Tested Advertising Methods (Prentice Hall Business Classics): John Caples, Fred E. Hahn: Books


    https://www.bottomlinesecrets.com/st...html?sid=store


    Amazon.com: My Life in Advertising and Scientific Advertising (Advertising Age Classics Library): Claude Hopkins: Books


    Amazon.com: No B.S. Direct Marketing: The Ultimate, No Holds Barred, Kick Butt, Take No Prisoners Direct Marketing for Non-direct Marketing Businesses: Dan Kennedy: Books


    Amazon.com: To Be or Not to Be Intimidated?: That is the Question: Robert Ringer: Books


    Amazon.com: The Closers: Ben Gay III: Books&


    Amazon.com: Think and Grow Rich eBook: Napoleon Hill: Kindle Store


    David Ogilvy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    My personal hero:
    Halbert Newsletter Archives

    YouTube - gary halbert Videos
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  • I agree, Roger.

    I think (probably, wrongly but who's watchin'?).. that it comes down to your/our/his/her reason WHY... the purpose that is to become your/our/his/her driving force in business and ultimately life.

    This is not something that can be borne or manifested from a swift kick up the arse, but only comes from inspection, internal understanding and, not to go all hippy voodoo on you, but.. that reason why comes from finding/knowing oneself ...

    To know YOU is to know what drives you, and therefore you know what/how you can provide for the world... the what and how you can provide for the world, will allow you to be compensated in the way you wish to be...

    Spiritually or in a monetary value kinda way.

    Well, I know what I mean ..lol... it allowed me to find a never ending source of inspiration, and I'm thankful for it..

    Peace

    Jay
  • Thanks for this point of view Eric. It's really motivating. I'll read it tonight again before I sit down in front of my computer. Maybe I'll read it every night for a week!!

    If I had more posts, I'd click the Thank You button.

    Thank You
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    • Hi,

      I guess I was just inviting a 'dog' (your avatar) to come along and say that when I said -

  • Thats what alot of people want, and thats why you hear alot of people saying "automate as much as you can" cus there will come a time when you just want to make as much money as you can by working as less as you can...and the key to that is either you settle for less or you automate the hell out of everything.

    Outsorce 80% of your work, build your own software if you cant find one that can do what you want.

    Cus like Steven said...in the end its about actually LIVING your life with those money, not working to make more and more and more without actually having time to spend it as you want.

    OFC alot of people will say "I can still go out on weekends, or I can still take 2 vacations of 1-2 weeks per year" etc... its all about what you want.












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    • I think you are right.

      And, most go after articles, social marketing and other FREE ways of generating traffic. Someone in this thread said that 95% here in the forum go after articles. Others disagreed with me about articles.

      I cant really say that articles dont work. I can say that they have never worked well for me. I mean, all I can really say is what has worked well for me or my close partners.

      I know maybe a couple people who make big money with articles or social marketing. That's just me. I only know a few.

      But, I know a ton of people (A TON OF PEOPLE)...

      repeat:

      AN ABSOLUTE TON OF PEOPLE!!

      who make big money with:

      Paid Traffic
      Affiliates / JV's

      A TON OF PEOPLE!!!

      So, disagree all you want. Throw rocks at me, complicate things... screw it all up. post your intelligent replies... go all psychological on me and prove all you want with your well thought out debates and points, and opinions. Go for it. I dont care.

      My simple point is:

      If 95% make no money... and 95% here are focused on articles, or facebook, then maybe there's something there?

      And, if I can count on one hand how many I know who make big bucks with articles, but cant even keep track (or count that high) of people I know who make bigger money with paid traffic and JV's, then hmmm... I dont know, it sells itself!

      Lets see... you can spend the next three years building up your submitted article portfolio and maybe make $2400 per month... or you can create a product, and sales process, strike a bunch of JV's to promote your launch, and make $100k in a week?

      I dont know, it sells itself.

      Or................

      What if.

      What if you spend that 3 years building up your article portfolio...

      only to find out later, that your site or offer does not even convert??

      damn. that blows. ouchy.

      Screw articles.

      It's a temporary way to satisfy your "emotion" for making big money. It's a slow ass process, that'll have 99% quit before the articles kick in making them any kind of money.

      But, I do know some who make it work.

      I just know more, including myself, who make much more the other ways.

      But, I know a lot of people here sell "how to make money with articles" and I'm sure they are about ready to kill me for this thread.

      Sorry.

      Articles suck for most who want to make money. Yes, they work. But, I would not recommend it to anyone who paid me a bunch of money to teach them how to make money in this business.

      If my best friend asked me, I'd say, stay away from articles. They suck.

      This is a business. Not some hobby where you say, "ohh look, I got 15 visitors to my site this month. wow. can you believe that? hey honey, look, I actually got some people to come check out my site. Finally. It's only been 16 months since I started this article marketing thingy. I'm going to write five more articles tonight after American Idol or tomorrow after my 12 hour shift at work."

      If you want this business to put food on your table and pay the bills, so you can live the internet lifestyle, then STOP BEING A NEWBIE.

      Eric
      PS - articles suck
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  • Absolutely amazing!!! thanks
  • As an actual newbie, this is a great and inspiring post!!
  • i cant stop reading this, its so inspiritional
  • With the proper guidance you can start in PPC also right from the start...I know people that did just that and I have friends that did just that, and most of them made it without loosing that much.

    You can go profitable FAST from PPC...its just a higher risk and you might end up with a big credit to pay
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    • Lol with Eric,

      I can see why people are drawn to free traffic, but I've since learned that the only way to make real money is through other sources of targeted traffic.

      I know first hand, because last week I put up a sales page for a new product in a new niche, and I've made nearly $900 since last Friday.

      And it took me 4 hours to write, from a blank page.

      And even if you don't have a product, you can still get similar results as an affiliate by building a list.

      The reason everyone goes for free traffic is because this aint a real business to them - they want the asset without the investment.

      And the excuse is always the same - "But if I do paid advertising, I'll probably lose money, it's too risky".

      My answer remains - "If you did your damn research, you'd slash your odds of failure by 99%".

      It still amazes me that folks don't exploit the vast opportunity to do pinpoint research online to make a killing. I mean, data is all around you, but still the research is bypassed and all that pocket money is poured away on the wrong products, sales copy, offers and ad copy.

      Again, not trying to brag, but why do you think I hit a home run with a $900 new niche business this week?

      It's because I did my research (which took, hmm, lets see...5 days?).



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    • And for almost all newbies, not a risk they can afford to take.
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    • Thanks for the heads up. Well, that is the main problem every new in IM face when they are starting, loads of information they lost track and don't know where to start. What important is that if you know the trick, you have to implement it and see it it does really work. And you try to improve from that. In IM everyday is a learning process, and we're on a community where we can get all the best ideas we can have to succeed on our online ventures.


      All the best
  • Hi Eric,

    Do you have a sample blueprint for your method to get out of the newbie status for most people?
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    • Another gem from Eric.

      I've always been a fan of free traffic, but nothing has grown my businesses like paid traffic and recruiting affiliates; nothing else has even come close.

      RoD
  • This thread is a wake up call for many "newbies" out there. Can't stress it enough to just get started with marketing without having to buy from every other "guru" out there.

    That was one of my big mistake until I stepped up the plate and one day just APPLIED what I've just learned and just RUN with it
  • Amazing!!!! I can't stop reading this...... Great post!!!!
  • Eric, Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric, Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric, Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,Eric,
    So post your step by step solutions, we know you have them, we know you sell 'em. I challenge you to make this the most viewed ever WF post, by giving it all up!

    George
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    • Dude, this will never be the most viewed thread. It needs more controversy, gossip, scandal and hate... bad news and horrible situations. lol

      Step by step?

      Here's my 11 steps to six figures online:

      Step one:

      Focus on traffic

      Step two:

      Focus on conversions

      Step 3 through 11:

      I forgot the rest of them

      Eric
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  • Hi Eric,

    Interesting switch and indirect rebuttal.

    Yep, screw all of that psychological mumbo-jumbo - just learn how to sell instead. :rolleyes:

    Personally, I think that intelligent replies are often the most helpful.

    Your reply seems to have substituted 'squeeze pages and autoresponders' for 'paid traffic and JVs'. Then you simply grabbed a made up statistic from one poster about articles and used that as if it were gospel and as if anyone who doesn't follow your plan is a bum marketer -

    Add to that the assumption that the percentage of people that you know can be simply expanded to correlate to the percentage of people on the whole of the internet -

    Could this be because most of the people you know go to seminars in order to sell to newbies? Could it be because the people who don't, have no need to go to seminars?

    You talk about passive income -

    ...while suggesting that people without investment funds should start off by trading time for money, but your assumption that anyone who doesn't follow the squeeze page/autoresponder route is purely building an 'article portfolio' is way off the mark.

    What percentage of successful warriors do you think use content, on their websites, coupled with on/off site SEO to make (semi) passive income from their portfolio of virtual real estate, which can then either be nurtured for continual income or sold on?

    But when pressed to give a little more detail of your system which you appear to suggest is the only sensible way for newbies to go, your response is -

    There you go newbies. Drop everything else and focus solely on squeeze pages and autoresponders or alternatively paid traffic and JVs or alternatively traffic and conversions - there is nothing else that you need to know. It just works.

    Forget market research or product creation, just slap the squeeze pages up and go seeking those JVs. They're just waiting for you to come along and join the party.

    I would never disagree that list building, paid traffic and JVs are some of the most powerful and fast-track methods to success.

    But to suggest that -

    a) anyone can jump into it and succeed without experience and training

    b) anyone on the forum who doesn't use those methods is either unsuccessful, trading hours for money or an article marketer

    ...is simply naive. I'm not an 'article marketer' myself, and like you, I think that some of the advice about 'bum marketing' can lead people down the wrong path.

    But I use content coupled with automation for SEO purposes which in turn produces semi-passive income - and I reckon many others do too - way more than 5% of the forum. And these skills can then be taken and applied to existing businesses who are desperate for someone who understands how to create websites/drive targeted traffic and sold for a good price. Yes, it's still focused on traffic and conversions but it doesn't necessarily need to involve an autoresponder.

    My point - if you're going to tell newbies to drop everything and start list building, at least offer them something more in the way of guidance about the other things that are required - for example, some kind of appealing offer.

    This formula on it's own (which is all that you are prepared to share) -

    ...is no more likely to lead to passive income than bum marketing, or washing dishes for that matter.

    Would it not be wise to also offer an incentive for them to give up their email address? Would it not be wise to establish whether your chosen market is ripe for an evergreen automatic responder list, as opposed to continual broadcast emails only? Would it not be wise to try and establish a position in your chosen market where your USP provides something that is currently not being offered in that market? Would it not be wise to learn how to research and choose the right market before diving in?

    Apologies for the intelligent reply. Sorry if it doesn't feel as good as just *great post Eric*. It's a discussion forum Eric, and if you're going to throw out absolutes based purely on the percentages of the people that you know - expect some discussion.
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    • Hi Roger,
      I'm going to let my ignorance show a bit here and ask:
      1) What's an evergreen automatic responder list?
      2) What's continual broadcast emails?
      3) What's the difference?

    • Roger, I was going to PM you to tell you this privately, but I feel this
      is something that others should hear as well.

      The more and more that I read your posts, the more and more I realize
      just how wise you are. It's quite obvious how well put together your head
      is and how well you think things out.

      Folks, whenever Roger posts advice, comments, or even criticism like this,
      I personally think it would be a very good idea to listen.

      When I first read Eric's initial post, I was admittedly drawn in by the great
      way that he writes (he's probably one of the best copywriters on this
      forum) but Roger makes some very good points that I didn't think of when
      first reading. I usually do miss these things as I too usually just look at
      the surface of a statement or argument. Maybe it's because I'm getting so
      tired of thinking...something, thank Goodness, Roger has no trouble doing.

      Roger, thanks again for painting a clear picture of this whole thing. I've
      said it many times. I'd love to see you and Paul Myers in a room together
      for just 1 hour hashing out some topic of interest in regard to Internet
      marketing.

      If recorded, I think it would be worth more money than any $97 ebook
      anybody has ever purchased.
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    You're such a n00b, Roger.. don't you know who Eric is?
  • Hello Eric

    Sorry about my dumb question - what's a squeeze page?
  • The message I picked up from the OP is that it's ok to be a newbie but you need to keep growing from there.

    Being a newbie is the first step to becoming a guru. But STAYING a newbie won't get you anywhere (maybe some windfall income here and there but nothing consistent)

    Sell something. Anything. The basic idea being that every method works for one person or another and there's no "THE METHOD" to earn money online or setup your business. Everything is a model which you can experiment and pick your favorites.

    Sagar
  • Great post!
    Involving affiliates is a very good approach. I personally ll the time starting selling my products when my affiliate program is ready. And in many cases when i did not make any sale of my product affiliates generate hundreds.
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    • Eric,

      Maybe 1.6180339887% of newbies get blocked because
      they find some of popular business models promoted by
      experts distasteful. This causes much confusion, angst
      an soul-searching resulting in a chronic inability to move
      forward.

      I've written my own simplistic summary of my favourite
      IM business model below:




      1. Make $1,000 in a month and write a book called
      "How To Make $1,000 In One Month".


      2. Sell 75 copies at $27 each and then write a book

      called "How to Make $2,000 In One Month".


      3. Sell 107 copies at $47 each and then write a book

      called "How To Make $5,000 in One Month".


      4. Sell 207 copies at $97 each and then write a book
      AND video course called "How To Make $20,000 In One Month".


      5. Sell 214 copies at $397 each PLUS a forced continuity

      newsletter. Write a book, video course and mentoring

      programme called "How To Make A Million Dollars In One Year".


      6. Sell 501 copies at $1,997.


      Congratulations! You are now a millionaire.


      P.S. Disclaimer: I have absolutely no idea how to do Step 1

      P.P.S. I was going to sell this as a WSO for $197 but this info
      is too powerful and too important for newbies to price it out
      of their reach.

      Martin
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  • Most of the people just don't have what it takes and are not willing to put in the effort, intellect and guts to make it work. They want to make money on autopilot following an ultra super-duper secret they found on a $47 ebook without actually understanding WTF they're doing. That's why the majority of the people don't make money online: they just dont realize this is a business and that taking a half-assed effort just doesnt cut it.

    Traffic + Conversion (+ Brains + Guts) = Success
  • A year or so ago, the only topics more popular the "bum marketing" were wso's for "struggling bum marketers".

    I saw that, and noticed the forum was neck deep in struggling article marketers, and said to myself "screw that".

    It was pretty obvious to me how the 'utlra successfull' did their thing: they were emailing me about products - both their own products and (very often) other peoples products. No one ever came to the forums and complained about the guru's flooding the article directories during the latest product launch..

    So, when I decided to finaly get started the first thing I did was pick out a CB product to promote, put up a squeeze page and started building a list using ppc.

    I was turning a profit within 24 hours.

    I admit - that's an interesting observation.. I don't think it's a matter of marketers going to seminars to market to newbies, but more a matter of those who use JV's and affiliates as a big part of their business are more likely to be out there networking and rubbing shoulders with a lot of people, whereas the go-it-alone folks are much less likely to be doing so.
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    • Hi Jason,

      That was my point really. Eric was using the percentage of his friends to make a point, I was replying that he doesn't know the others because they keep their head down - but they are here - lots of them.

      If we're talking about passive income, we shouldn't ignore SEO - I would wager that more people make passive (or semi passive) income from this than make it from autoresponders - in this forum and outside of it.

      Eric also threw twitter/facebook into the mix (making the point that it is a waste of time) - but I see a lot of the guru set selling products related to this, based on claims that they successfully market through those sites - Jack Humphrey, Colin McDougall and a long list of others who crop up on many of the web 2.0 IM products. I too don't spend much time on these networking sites - but Eric was saying that most of his associates earn their money through lists only.

      But if I talk about SEO, I'm not referring to these sites. I'm talking about gaining organic site rankings and keeping them while moving on to the next site.

      Hi John,

      1) a list where you can load it up with messages and links, tell it how regularly to send each message to new subscribers, then set it and forget it and go off and drive traffic for new subscribers. You may have to update the links/info occasionally.

      2) a list where no messages are preloaded, each one is written and then sent out on spec. - never to be sent again.

      3) An example of 1) would be a list about 'how to win the lottery'. You load it with articles, with links to products that have been (and will continue to be) active and current in the market. Often, for your own products that you control - the products and the information are 'evergreen' (IE valid now, and in a years time, for example).

      An example of 2) might be an IM list that promotes the latest launch - you don't know what the next launch is until a month beforehand, and once they have sold out you don't want to be promoting them anymore. So you only send out broadcasts (instant message type emails).

      Of course, you can also combine the two. You do both processes through the same system (EG getresponse/aweber) but use them differently (or combined).

      Does that help?
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  • The beauty about driving traffic to a squeeze page and to set an autoresponder sequence is that you see the results right away, so you can tweak the process on the fly. Plus, since it's so quick, you can figure out what works and what doesnt and easily export the whole thing into another niche.
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    • Hi,

      I'd genuinely like to see Eric add a little more for the people that are motivated to follow his plan. Not because I think he can't, but because I think he can.

      There's another 'kick in the backside' report on this subject that I have always liked reading by a certain Mr. Says and the report resides in the war room. It's not new, but it contains some interesting 'barrier removal' tips along with an autoresponder method - it's called the ultimate affiliate strategy (not Chris R's conduit report, Allen's one).
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  • Thanks Eric and all. A lot of good thoughts.

    When I read Eric's opening post I laughed. It's so ridiculously simple true...

    Traffic...List...Offers.

    That's the entire info-product business in a nutshell. That's it! You can make millions from that with EVER learning about 1 click upsells or product launches.

    I'm working on an experiment that I hope to remember to post back on in a few months that focuses on this simplicity.

    A friend told me the other day that he wanted to get started online. I thought, "Great. Another newbie that wants to learn internet marketing. The great mystery and intrigue of auto-pilot dollars has engulfed him."

    He asked a dozen questions and I called time out.

    "I'll be your partner in this if you will do EXACTLY what I say."

    He agreed.

    I told him he would not need to learn web design or even what an auto responder was. Told him I would handle that side.

    His job is to do ONE thing. Find affiliate partners. He's NOT ALLOWED to learn any of the crap that distracts. He's emailing, mailing and on the phone. That's it.

    Online business is so stinkin' simple it's a joke. It's almost embarrassing.

    And I do not mean that in an arrogant way. And certainly not to disregarding the challenges some are facing to build their online biz. But for the most part they are not building a business. They are putting up web sites and hoping someone will show up. But they are NOT killing it trying to get REAL partners.

    So... buy rights to a product or create one that you KNOW affiliates would be HOT for. Give them a copy. Let them see how great it is. If they say, "It sucks." Ask what to change and tell them you will be back in a week with next version.

    Affiliates...List...Offers is the perfect model for me.

    Mark Robbins
  • Roger and Eric,

    You have both made some good points.

    Eric you have made me look again at starting some PPC. We have never done any.

    We have built our successful company from scratch on the internet and never spent a dime on PPC.

    All of our success comes from some nicely built, well optimised websites which bring in free traffic.

    Now could be the time to really start to speed up the expansion and even though we are not newbies, sometimes it's good to get a kick up the ass.

    Roger, you continue to be a very bright cookie. You have made some intelligent points which were clearly thought out, so thank you for that.

    (By the way I can't help thinking you look like Kevin Peterson in your pic).

    Keep up the good work Roger.

    Regards,
    Sam
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  • I agree with Eric. Keep it simple. Just get a page/site up and drive traffic to it. Give away a branded report if you don't have your own.
    A cheap web hosting account will give you $50 in free ppc clicks so you can practice without risk. You can advertise in lots of forums and marketplaces for cheap or free.

    Articles, Squidoo, SEO etc can be done later.


    Andrew
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    • Good job Roger. Once again you have proven yourself to be quite good at arguing. I mean, you are quite talented and savvy at finding all these little angles, picking things apart and showing off your arguing skills.

      I'm impressed that no matter what the topic is, no matter what the situation is, you can come right in and challenge everything that's said.

      I do think you might be *the one*.

      The savior of all the warriors who are getting taken advantage of by the gurus and experts right? I mean, if someone comes into the WF who has achieved some success and offers up some advice to help folks, here comes Roger with his *rolling of his eyes* and throws rocks.

      Here comes Roger standing up to the gurus.

      SUPER ROGER!

      Here comes Roger challenging everything, spinning all he can.

      My question is why?

      Why Roger? Why do you do that? Does it make you feel higher and stronger? Is it because you care so much about Warriors that you are the "protector" of their good fortune?

      Are you protecting them against bad advice from people like me??

      I mean, who am I to give the Warriors any kind of advice right? By God, lets listen to Roger instead. Follow his advice for making money online! Heck, follow Roger's advice and you too might become a good --- arguer.

      And wags, my advice has nothing to do with me being a copywriter. Are you saying that "I write fancy" and because of that I am selling the forum on bad advice?? Why dont you and Roger get together and go bowling or something.

      So, it seems to me that Roger's advice is to do exactly what I'm saying not to do. He's saying that you should earn your money by:

      Roger's advice:

      -- write articles
      -- twitter
      -- facebook

      So, follow his advice if you believe in Roger.

      Eric's advice:

      -- paid traffic
      -- affiliates & JV's

      The choice is yours, positions have been taken.

      But wait. wait a second. Is that really Roger's position? Is that his advice? I mean, he is arguing my every single point, so it must be his position right?

      Or, maybe, just maybe... he's just arguing for the sake of arguing right?

      So what is it Roger? Is that your advice, or are you just arguing?

      Eric
      PS - I apologize for posting advice here on the WF. I should have known better. I'll go to being a lurker soon. I've actually been on vacation, and while sitting around sun burned, thought I'd post on the forum here. I really have no desire to post advice only to have it picked apart and challenged by some "arguer" who is arguing for the sake of arguing. why would I? why would anyone? I actually feel stupid for doing so. I'm like kicking myself for trying to help. Those days are quickly coming to an end here for me here.
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    • That's what I did for a friend recently using the Butterfly script (not that it was necessary to use the butterfly script)

      I took an old, but timeless and relevant report on affiliate marketing that was
      brandable and that also came with a prebuilt squeeze page.

      I used an OTO that I had rights to sell.

      Then I put a couple of related affiliate offers in the members area (on the download page).

      And then sent some traffic to it.

      My friend is $500 richer and doesn't even know what his site looks like yet!!

      He also has about 300 confirmed subscribers on his list.

      I have yet to add some autoresponder messages, but will soon and that will
      most likely double what he's made so far.

      I pretty much set up what John Reese calls an affiliate commission engine.

      It's really simple.

      But at the same time I can also see why people don't ever start.

      They are terrified of the unknown, of failing, and of succeeding because of their
      poor self image. (not everyone, but most)

      Jason
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  • The biggest problem I have with article marketing is that it's all a "maybe".

    Maybe I will write an article that Google will like.

    Maybe Google will rank it high in the search results.

    Maybe people will click on it...and then maybe they will read it and then MAYBE they will click through to my actual site where I can make money.

    And of all that MAYBE happens then MAYBE someone won't swoop down on my ezine articles and rip off all my winners and knock me out of my spot. Just MAYBE.

    If you are making money from articles then good for you, seriously!

    For me, it's sort of a lottery where you do a bunch of work and just MAYBE you'll get what you're shooting for.

    Paid traffic and JVs will get you the traffic and then you need an offer that converts...that's the trick.

    This is not directed at anyone here, I know there are some pretty accomplished article guys here...I just feel like it's a huge gamble for the average newbie. To top it all off, most people are using articles to promote affiliate programs...such a gamble.

    P.S. If you can't get JVs or pay for traffic...it's probably because your offer doesn't convert...and all the articles on the world won't help you!
  • I just pictured the 'slow clap' - you know when everyone sits in silence at the truth of it all, and then slowly the applause builds up.

    Good post Eric - the takeaway for me int hat is DO SOMETHING. GET STARTED.

    People are conditioned that they need someone to show them HOW. It's how we're brought up through school.

    But it's all been figured out by someone on their own, without someone else showing them HOW. So it's possible to figure it out, EVEN if someone else already did! Go ahead, don't be afraid to re-invent the wheel!
  • Eric,
    You are one of the ones that I always read your posts. You have helped me and many others with your insight and wisdom. And it is appreciated. I hope you don't leave because of this.

    Having said that I'm still not sure why a real discussion can't be had. I believe there are legitimate questions people have that aren't questioning anyone's knowledge or anything negative like that.

    An example of a legitimate question (in my opinion) is "What about those professions, like healthcare, where providers could lose their license by doing xyz? Is that still what they should do just because all the big guys do it?"

    With the offline push, because of your stature, many may take your advice 100% without question and hurt someone they are trying to help by recommending they start an affiliate program or do JVs.

    All I'm saying is that it would be much more help, without much more effort, to have a discussion instead of "just do it - it works - don't ask why or how or question the truth of what I've said". That's normally what happens though - not just here but most anytime questions come up with a bigger gun.

    Thank you for your help and advice. There is no question that someone needs to get started, have stuff for sell, and that PPC and affiliates/JVs are great (if not the best) ways to get good and quick traffic for many or most people.

    Mark
  • I was just going to do a new post about how i am close to giving it all up, nearly a year and no results! when i saw this post from Eric. Is that fate, the magic moment? will i now attack things in a different way? Well I have taken inspiration from Eric's post and the helpful replies, so onwards and upwards,
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    • Eric, up until about 5 minutes ago when I woke up, turned on my PC and
      read your reply, I had the most respect for you.

      That's all I have to say.

      Now I have some work to do.
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  • Why is it only selling something which will make you money?
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    • Well, I believe that it goes back to when we first started trading. In order to get something--you had to give something of value. That way, no one loses out and everyone gets something valuable in return for handing over something valuable.
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  • This thread makes me wonder...


    ...wonder what side of the bed Eric must have got out of before he posted his last comment?

    ...wonder if the spirit of debating has been lost on some folk as they begin to believe in their own hype?

    ...wonder if Eric is really the guy I believe him to be and wondering if he'll be able to swallow some pride and admit he over-reacted on this occasion?

    ...wonder how long it will be before the thread gets deleted after enough idiots report it for reasons I won't be able to fathom?


    Other than that, it's been a cracking read (for the info and discussion, not the squabbling)

    Thanks guys.

    Peter
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    • Hi Peter

      I hope that doesn't happen.

      While it's great to have rousing, call-to-action posts that deservedly garner a string of thanks, I've found that the most valuable and thought-provoking threads tend to be where two (or more) opposing views are debated with reason and conviction by open-minded marketing enthusiasts. For me, that's the essence of an active forum reflecting the rapidly evolving development of what we term internet marketing.

      Sometimes, reading the various threads, it can be easy to slip into an insular mindset and forget that many of us inhabit only a small corner in the vast hall of online business. For every marketer making a killing with a squeeze page and info product, there are countless others earning fortunes via auction sites, VRE, retail sites, online services, B2B, niche authority sites, freelance services, blogs etc who may never have even heard the term "autoresponder".

      It isn't doing "newbies" any service to not even acknowledge that there may be other ways to succeed online. Your own way, whatever it is, may be the fastest and most effective for you, but it won't be as effective for someone whose instincts and personality may not be so in line.

      It would have been interesting to expand and continue this debate - I think that might have happened if the gist of what Roger said in post #34 had been the OP and Eric's post had been in response to that - but when one party starts to get defensive, it tends to stifle worthwhile discussion. Ah well.

      Thanks to all for a fascinating thread, nonetheless.



      Frank
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  • Eric and Roger,

    It is unfortunate that you are somewhat upset with each other.

    Has anything ruffled both of your feathers that helped contribute to this. Perhaps you should both take a look at that in case that has happened.

    It sounds as though this kind of thing has happened before.

    Anyway, I hope you guys can resolve your upset with each other. If not then so be it.

    I think you both can and do contribute things to this forum.

    You guys have years of experience in this field and the fact that you are willing to share some of it is great.

    Sometimes when you become good in your field one can get frustrated with people who know less than you. It can be hard to communicate with people who don't get it. This can lead to frustration and sometimes one loses his patience and let's rip.

    I don't think this is what has happened here necessarily, more like two boxing heavy weights slugging it out, or rams having a good old rut as it is now ramming season ;-)

    I enjoy reading valuable information and hope you guys can continue contributing.

    I think what most people are looking for is genuine help. I think most people are willing to spend money to get it if something works.

    What people don't want is to be ripped off, over sold, over hyped on something or spoken too in a condensing manner.

    Sadly, many products and guru's don't live up to most people's expectations.

    Sometimes things can get heated on a forum. That's just the way it is. So long as people are being honest and genuine, so what, there will always be differing arguments and sides to a story. That's what makes people evaluate for themselves.

    We all must take responsibility for our own futures. Let's make it a bright one!!!

    Sam
  • Hi Eric, great post.

    But most newbies don't know a lot about paid traffic especially PPC, hence most of us (newbies) use article marketing because it is simple and free. I personally don't like using articles to drive traffic even though 50% of my traffic comes from articles.

    Is there a good course, book or coach out there that you recommend for a newbie PPC advertiser?
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    • I learned alot about Adwords a few years ago from John Reese's Traffic Secrets 1. I recently picked up Perry Marshall's ebook on Adwords that was recommended to me by no less than 5 different marketers who I highly respect their opinions. He sells the ebook by itself or you can get it by subscribing to his print newsletter as a bonus item.

      Perry's a straight shooter and delivers great content even in his free ezine, so that's where I'd suggest you head next... sign up for his free ezine and go from there. perrymarshall.com (non-affiliate link).

      Good luck,

      Mike
  • Eric Great thoughts for us Newbies ..... you should write and submit an article all about this, and maybe use twitter and face book to generate free traffic. (kidding could not resist)
  • The truth is that most newbies get lost along the way in too many "should haves, could haves, maybes, ifs and buts, etc". Flourish stuff like tweeter, viral marketing, MySpace, automated blogs, etc is what makes most newbies lose track of what's really important in this business:

    Targeted Traffic + on-page conversion + backend (mailing list, recurring, etc) = Online Success

    Eric was pin-pointing this very fact, and thus his ultimate statement: "stop being a newbie!". Stop wasting time on stuff that might or might not work and focus on what's PROVEN to work time and time again. And... what's proven to work time and time again? simple: traffic+conversion+backend.

    You need no more. Kudos to Eric for bringing newbies back to Earth.
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  • This post is great because it not only provides the proverbial kick in the pants, but it is also educational for a newbie like myself. It's educational because in reading all of the posts I'm picking up bits and pieces of techniques and ideas I can be using, or concentrating on, as well. Thanks!
  • Ironic that an OP that started out saying "stop bitching and take action"... literally turned into the exact opposite.

    There is pleanty of bitching, but there doesn't seem to be much action.


    ...No I'm off to go read all of the other posts... :p

    regards

    Simon
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  • This is a great post Eric. I think just as effectively you could just say Do SOMETHING! Take Action! People just sit there, reading, networking and it drives me nuts. Get out there and Do Something for your business. Something that is progressive and will help you build on you business. How hard is it? It is the fear of success or the fear of failure, figure it out, and get over it. You have to do something to make money. You aren't going to make money by reading and chatting with a friend.

    DO SOMETHING! TAKE ACTION! Stop Being A Newbie!

    Mary Green (im off the soapbox now
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  • Hey Steven,

    You stated a few posts back,

    "...After 6 1/2 years...I've had enough. 30 hours work a month is now all I'm willing to put into my business. As far as I'm concerned...it's 30 hours too much...."

    If your looking to get out all together I would be glad to take your business over and pay you a nice monthly fee for doing nothing at all....except handing the resigns over to me ;-)
  • I think a lot of lessons can be learned from this thread. People rarely talk about marketer bias but we all have it. People tend to gravitate to the methods that have worked for them. I know I sure do, which is why I don't tell people there is a "best way", I only tell them what I've seen work for either myself or for others.

    I have respect for both Roger and Eric and I see both their points. Now, the ad hominem attacks are almost always unnecessary and never further anyone else's point. They always bring down a promising thread so I'm glad to seeing people getting back on track. Knowing Eric and Roger the way I do, I know they were both only trying to help in their own way.

    Lastly, I want to add that we should never, ever forget that everyone was once a newbie. I've been at this for a decade now and I still remember what it was like. I was confused by the dearth of information, the misinformation, the plethora of different systems, and having to go through all of it and trying to implement it in a structured way. The only thing that has changed since 1999 is that there is more of it than ever before. It's not easy being a newbie. Sure, many newcomers go for the quick buck and probably don't have what it takes, but there are those that do. And since everyone learns differently and at their own pace, we should bear that in mind when people come to this forum asking for help.

    By the way, I love you all man!!!!

    RoD
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  • Well this post just kicked by butt into redoing my main site to highlight the list sign up more.

    For all those asking I get 70% of 600 uniques a day traffic through Google because my blog posts and main site pages are heavily keyword optimized.
  • I agree with Eric, you got to stay out there long enough to sell something and test the waters. Hoping and dreaming has never put any money in nobodys pockets. If we dont treat this like a business of marketing to others then actually placing the product in front of them to buy. then how will they even know you have what they need when you just sit on the side line and never take chances to actually sell something. Yes after a year, you should have a wealth of knowledge to make it happen for yourself.
  • Hey Eric,

    this is a good buttkicking post(:. It really is. I have two friends who also wanted to start to make money online. But the problem was, that they were reading stuff and buying stuff for months. Once they bought something they read it and thought OU THATS GREAT. But then they saw again something else which got their attention and they bought it too. They ended up buying 5 products and using none of them. Finally they to take action a week ago.

    Now they can really start to build an online business weather its with affiliate marketing, cpa, article marketing...

    Greetings
    D.
  • Stop being a newbie..That is an interesting title.

    I wonder if anyone has connected these two dots regarding your title: How Do You Stop Being A Newbie?

    And Maybe the Best Answer :

    Learn From The Best and Get Success Knowledge.

    Just liked your title and saw those "dots".

    My professor used to ask us if we are connecting the dots..It stuck with me.
  • ok eric... i am a complete newbie at this internet marketing. just joined warrior a couple days ago(don't even have any friends yet). yeah i offer a service in my biz(still new at it too) and i've been looking to get it on the internet but like i said i am completely new. not 100% sure what a squeeze page is. if it's similar to a capture page then i have an idea. i enjoyed what u wrote and it's given me food 4 thought and i'm ready 2 get started. i joined warrior to learn from others...so thanks for ur words!
    Christina
  • Great post.

    I was thinking about this topic today. I myself suffered from the "bright shiny object syndrome," and I never made any money until I learned to focus on one task to completion.

    And your right, it's not that hard to make money. I see so many people going after the latest and greatest sneaky way to trick the search engines, blah, blah, blah!

    If you spend the same amount of time building something of value and learn to drive traffic correctly, you'll have an evergreen project that will make money for years to come.

    I know for a fact...and I have the BMW to prove it

    Cheers!
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  • Eric is always spot on with his comments, pulls no punches and has built a kickass business based on his knowledge.

    I had some success with article marketing but I found (find) it excruciating to post articles and try to time the right and hope that the gods of article acceptance over at EZA were in a good enough mood to get them approved and all that crap.

    I think the bottom line is that the big dudes don't sit around and churn out 12 articles per day on "birdcages" or whatever. They use paid traffic.

    That said, paid traffic scares the sh*t out of most newbies and many experienced marketers as well. Bryan makes good points on this and turning your earnings from article marketing right into paid advertising isn't a bad idea at all.

    I've drank the Eric Louviere/Fabricio Cruz Kool-Aid and am about to dive into paid traffic so I guess we'll see what happens first hand.

    I'm knee deep into a couple Adwords books at the moment and I will say, the person that comes out with a GOOD clear, well written book on Adsense for newbs will be popular kid for sure.

    If I don't lose the farm, I'll write the damn thing myself!
  • Very wise advice! Thanks for sharing it. I personally need to take the next step and make a product and I know this... Promoting affiliates is fine, but the next step is definitely having a product.
  • Hey dude that is the absolute best way I have ever heard it put. I wish I had of just read that post before I spent 1000's on courses. I have my squezze page up now and a member site and its all starting to happen but that was exactly all I had to do get a hosting account and wack up a squezze page and drive some traffic..

    Cheers
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  • I like the opening line dude :-> but anyway as far as my 6 yrs experience online havent been peachy but I'm addicted to working hard at it to make something work. Basically, it's not easy as you say it is, Eric, throwing up a squeeze page and pull a list outta thin air. A lot of half-truths online make it so hard for the newbies to make a biz work. It's no longer mental but overwhelm info overload that keeps us back. If only there was a TRUE STEP-BY-STEP system out there...

    thanks for listening
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    • Oh wow, I didn't realize when I wrote that that I was also creating a list of the "four people most likely to be found in a pub or bar!" When I referred to "watching" them, I was referring to watching what they did online... well, actually, that wouldn't work either because that list could probably also be the "four people most likely people to visit the porn sites!"
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  • Now see there, Eric. IF I WERE a newbie you would have upset me terribly, because I didn't know what a squeeze page was when I was a newbie - not all newbies know what the heck a squeeze page is and you forgot to tell us - just started carping everyone out for not having one up.

    Honest to God, techies can be sooooooo thick. :rolleyes:
  • this is one of the best threads ever .... thanks everyone!

    that's what the forum is for ... opinions from everyone
  • Eric - great advice, you must have been thinking about me. I have been in this "black-hole" for 1,000's of hours and just cant get my sales going. I know many of these IM formulas, but I guess lack focus. Yet its more than just distractions, I belief its a block in the"mind" that short cut success every time. So FRUSTRATION is an understatement.THK
  • HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAA.. Great job man. So simple, dont make it hard. Focus on building a list. Get your site up with aweber or something and your ready to go.

    After that test test test and keep in contact with your list
  • I think that the post of Eric, is great!

    I like his style, and I really don't get why some people are be offended by what he wrote...

    Thanks for the motivational post Eric.
  • It would be nicer if I could get a real nice template, so it looked real fancy just like you big boys have, with money to pay for graphics and make your "stuff" look so hot and buyable.....I need to learn how to get my templates squished into a squeeze page.
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  • Thanks Eric,

    Sage advice. As a newb going on 3 weeks, I'm glad we stopped by so early. You may have saved us 9-12 months of pain.

    PS: Maybe we'll see you in Austin sometime.

    Robin and Travis
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    • This thread again??

      Ok, I think articles work. Anything works. Heck, smoke signals and carrier pigeons can work too. Somethings are faster than others. I think if you have zero money to invest in traffic, then you should focus on affiliates and JV's.

      Or. Articles, traffic exchanges, classified ads, web 2.0 platforms, twitter, blogs (especially blogs), etc etc

      All those things can work.

      I'm just giving my opinions here in this thread... my beliefs... my advice... and of course it can be debated or disagreed with. I understand that. My frustration that's apparent in this thread has nothing to do with all the people who chimed in and disagreed with me. I respect that.

      I can easily put myself in others shoes. I do that all the time to sell stuff. I get it. I'm married. I understand the opinions that differ from mine. I'm reasonable.

      I'm saying here that if YOU were my best buddy and you came to me for instruction and advice as a newbie, and you were serious about this business - with passion, I'd never tell you to go out there and focus on articles, or web 2.0 platforms.

      Sure, you can use those things, but dont depend on those for your mortgage or long term business success.

      (I know, articles work. that's not the point)

      The point is that articles can take a long-long time. And, most newbies will give up by the time those articles kick in. There are better routes to take. But, articles and web 2.0 stuff works. I know they do. A couple years ago, I myself advised people to use those things because I saw results myself. That was then.

      This is now.

      So, I'd recommend instead of putting in all that effort writing articles and submitting them, I'd do this instead.....

      Create a report (write yourself a report instead... 20 pages or so and make it a pdf)

      Next, get a fancy ebook graphic created. Make sure it's nice. Personally, I love the ebooks that look like software boxes.

      Next, create a salesletter that sells that report for say, $20. Put a paypal button on it and sell it for twenty bucks or so (the salesletter does not need to be professional, or perfect... keep it simple and to the point)

      Next, create a squeeze page that gives that report away for FREE as a special limited time offer. It can be a super short squeeze page... above the fold.

      Next, take your pdf and your ebook graphic and go fishing. Fish for JV's.

      Let me explain...

      If your niche market is "how to lower high blood pressure", then go find sites that are similar, or ask yourself "Would the prospects or customers of this site here ALSO be interested in lowering their blood pressure?"

      For example:

      Yoga
      Arthritis
      Organic foods
      Diabetes
      Weight loss
      and so on...

      There are MILLIONS of sites out there to go after.

      Next, email them, or call them and tell them this:

      I see you have a product on diabetes. I have a product on "how to lower your high blood pressure". It sells for twenty bucks. But, I'm willing to let your customers have it free as a bonus for buying your product.

      you can put this ebook graphic on your website (I can even do that for you if you want), and then offer it as a bonus to your buyers. That will increase the value of your offer.

      After they buy your diabetes product, just give them this link (link to your squeeze page).

      BAM!

      You have subscribers coming in for free. AND, guess what? They are buyers.

      Do that with 50 or 100, or 200 sites and I guarantee you, you'll forget f*^en articles.

      Later,

      Eric Louviere
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  • Just joined the WF recently - there is some real quality in some of the posts in this thread. Thanks Eric et al - keep it coming.
  • Bravo!! Next time you're Dallas, drinks are on us.
  • Hello Eric!

    I LOVED that post! When I was first starting I set up a squeeze page and drove traffic to it with article. What did I know? That particular startup went nowhere but i learned html, ftp, aweber optin forms, e mail sequences, article marketing and a whole bunch of other stuff. Because I just DID IT!

    Riley West - An Internet Marketer In The Making.
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    • Would you mind sharing a bit about what you do?
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  • Hi Eric,

    Fantastic post!

    I caught your last few words "start selling something"

    It is when there is a product to be sold and a sale made,
    then there is money coming in.

    As simple as that.



    So go get going and make a product.

    It can be a simple report or ebook.

    Take action and money will go into your pocket.

    About 15 pages or more.

    It just take about 1 week if you set your heart to it.

    To your success,
    John
  • Heck, even a newbie can get a good affiliate product and hoplink from Clickbank, write 10 articles and advertise in a eznie with a subsriber list of 20,000 and make a few sales. You don't even need a computer to do that. This could be done for $100.

    You can do this from the public library.

    Make a few sales and reinvest. Repeat process.




  • I agree with you. I'm a newbie to this forum but not to internet marketing. The secret to success is implementing what you learn. While learning is important, there is no point is learning if you don't take action.

    Good post, Eric.
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    • Wow - loved reading this thread for sure. Will bookmark and revisit this often. I really appreciate all the valuable info I am receiving from WF.
  • Stop being a newbie - by Eric

    I'm so new I dont even know what a "Squeeze page" is or SEO or PPC........
    or how to create a Squeeze page?
    I bought a web address (no web page yet) and I'm rearing to go...........just dont know were to?
    Could somebody please advise me where to knock for the first 3...(most basic) steps or somebody for a system
    Kind Regards
    johan
  • Inspirational post, Eric. I'm sure many people here at the warrior forum will be jump-started by reading this article.


    I am the first to start!
  • Hilarious dude! Yeah, break your cherry already will you? I like the call to action. Just sell something anything. Build a list and start selling. I notice, however, when I get all "bootcampy" with newbies it never goes well. They usually resent it. This is why all the "make money 15 minutes from now sitting on your derriere watching tv" sales pitches work so well. This is what many people want to hear. Very frustrating to try to help people who have this type of mentality.
  • thanks Eric! very useful for me! I agree with you,don't always watching, doing something ,sell something
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    • I was chatting with a warrior stud today on skype... and we were talking about how important it is to create your own list... your own products... etc and how Article marketing got slapped a bit, and how to do that right and how so many did it wrong.

      It reminded me of this thread here... and another one I wrote where I got slammed silly for blasting "article marketing" as a primary business model.

      He mentioned that articles still work well, with proper link structure, etc.

      I'd love to learn more about what the article marketers are doing differently now, compared to before the slap, and how they may have changed their business models since then.

      BTW, reading through this thread... man, there's a lot of good stuff here.

      Respectfully,

      Eric Louviere

      PS - I also remember how pissed off I got in this thread too. lol
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  • Lovely, lovely... and here I am - between a rock and a hard place - no longer green enough to be a newbie, but still needing to hit it big!

    I'm still working hard, learning, and NOT giving it up!!!

    Thanks for posting, everyone - this stuff is much needed!

    ~ Ruth Martin
  • Eric. I just wanted to thank you personally. That rocked.

    That's where it is dude. That's the point of failure. That's where true failure is. Doin something is NOT failure. At the point of action, failure no longer exists. It's just a figment of our (newbies) imagination.

    This might make you mad, but hopefully its instructive. Hopefully it gives enough of a kick in the pants for others to get moving.

    I am a newbie (course, I have put myself to the task currently) and I have been one for literally 27 YEARS... I AM THE POSTER CHILD OF THIS.

    I challenge anybody to this fact. No BS. The God's honest truth. A 27 year long loser. Sure, I've done some stuff. Even consulted with some people along the way who actually did what I told them and had success. BUT I never did anything for myself. I've helped do some editing for a big 6 figure launch. I've helped with various tasks behind the scenes with a big name marketer.. WHATEVER... I've never COMPLETED anything for myself.

    Why?

    I'm with you guys. Let's STOP BEING NEWBIES. Today. I've got about 1 and a half hours to work with. I'm gonna log of and try to put a squeeze page together and come back here and show it off.

    Dan Kennedy says it takes about 6 months of being in a market and studying it to become an expert. ANY MARKET. The only thing stopping you or I on being an expert in our market of choice is action. Act like a leader and you'll become one.

    Eric. I hope Ross doesn't mind. But I'd like to invite you to the theLeadSociety.com
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    Stop Being A Newbie!

    If you've been a newbie for over a year, then you might be a redneck. No seriously, if you are a newbie right now, then you need to stop being a newbie and start selling stuff. In fact, just get a squeeze page up and send traffic to it.