Any Creative Ways To Promote Your WSO in The Main Forum?

by Bev Clement 83 replies
There are so many who are promoting their wso in the main forum that it is boring.

If you are going to break the rules or get close to the border line why not try and be creative.

Let's see how many creative ways you can promote your wso in the main forum.

I suggest creative not the boring standard ones which pretend to be helpful or try and say there is a problem but being really creative.
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
    Can it be a future WSO?


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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Not sure what you mean, Bev. Do you have an example?

      I, for one, must not cross the line, as you know.

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      • Profile picture of the author Louis Raven
        Possibly adapting your sig on a per post basis.

        Let's imagine you've got a Article marketing WSO, for each NEW (Don't bump over 48 hours) thread you change your sig to be relevant to the current question/ query/ discussion. IE.. Thread Title "How to think of new Articles each day".

        Your sig would be changed to "Latest WSO shows how to get that creative Article Writing Spark" And so forth.

        Of course, your WSO does have to do what you state in your sig but I'm sure most can adapt to the current thread or relatively close

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        • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
          Am I wrong to assume that the OP was being facetious?

          I would take the recent posts, like the wordsearch puzzle and post in in a thread.

          I would ask one one question in the post and the correct answer would be in the word search. AND that answer would be a coupon code for even more off of my already AMAZINGLY LOW WSO price.

          Easy.

          keith

          PS: I firmly believe in not promoting a WSO in the main forum. Just clarifying that my example was for the sole purpose of this thread only and not to be taken out of context. If my WSO can't make it on it's own with just my forum sig and my copy, then I need to rethink my WSO
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            How about hinting that there are two cute young girls in our WSO video? And then leaving a teaser shot? So you have to go see the video to see them better? Would that work?



            Disclaimer: Forced to do this blatant self-promotion as part of a study instigated by this thread. My apologies to those of little humour who are offended.
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        • Originally Posted by roulettered56 View Post

          Possibly adapting your sig on a per post basis.

          Let's imagine you've got a Article marketing WSO, for each NEW (Don't bump over 48 hours) thread you change your sig to be relevant to the current question/ query/ discussion. IE.. Thread Title "How to think of new Articles each day".

          Your sig would be changed to "Latest WSO shows how to get that creative Article Writing Spark" And so forth.
          How can you have multiple sigs across the forum? Once you change the sig file the changes would reflect on all the posts you have made. Correct me if I am wrong!

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      • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
        Allen you can't be serious. There are loads as an example.

        Things like I started my wso 24 hours ago and had no sales, or had loads of sales, or this is why you have a free one because you can make xxxx, or use the same title in both the wso and the thread. Post new threads which are about the same subject which is nothing more than a glorified ad.

        Keith yes it can be about a coming one, but doesn't that break the rules to say, I'm going to be doing a wso for this to show how I got my first affiliate sale, or how I got 2 people added to my list, or other types of things.

        If people can't see what is obvious then they really need to understand how to think outside the box.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhongren
    Personally, I am still very green in promoting WSO at the subtle level at the main forum. There is still alot of marketing to be learnt from you guys.

    In my opinion, I will do my best to answer any question pertaining to my expertise and experience. And giving away info just enough to help the person solve his problem or issue then.

    I will take it as relationship and trust-building for the long term.

    A good example, in my opinion, is Steven Wagenheim. He is sharing so much of high value and quality. So I feel his products are going to be of the same standard too. =)

    Any WSO released by him is going to be snatched up fast.

    (Another point I realised lately is how I choose which WSO to read or to find out more. I see the names of the creator.)

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      • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
        This may be off-topic, but...

        By the way, someone sent me a PM just a minute ago and
        unhappily asked if he were to buy a reasonably priced WSO,
        yet immediately asked for a refund, would it be bad.

        My answer to him was easy. I took a deep breath and said that if
        you do it immediately, it would look bad.

        Without hesitation, I hit the send button and waited for a response.
        Soon thereafter, the response was in my inbox. Know what it said?
        Oh Boy! You are sooooo smart.

        Respectfully,
        Allen Graves
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        • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
          Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

          This may be off-topic, but...

          By the way, someone sent me a PM just a minute ago and
          unhappily asked if he were to buy a reasonably priced WSO,
          yet immediately asked for a refund, would it be bad.

          My answer to him was easy. I took a deep breath and said that if
          you do it immediately, it would look bad.

          Without hesitation, I hit the send button and waited for a response.
          Soon thereafter, the response was in my inbox. Know what it said?
          Oh Boy! You are sooooo smart.

          Respectfully,
          Allen Graves
          WSO Link Here
          So Bev, would this be a more creative way? Or would this get me n/a'd?

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          • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
            Allen as Allen is the only one who N/A's people you would have to ask him, but why do you have to post the same post twice, apart from wanting to get your signature seen :p

            Steven, the problem is that on the old forum, there was an unwritten rule that allowed people to post and point to their signature if it was a relevant wso. It happened time and time again because it was allowed. Because it was an unwritten rule, it was left to the mods to decide.

            It is also not creative to start dozens of threads about the same topic which is on the same theme as the wso. If a person wants to be helpful, then why not post when they have no wso running.

            With all the questions that these so called experts are asking, why would anyone in their right minds believe them, and buy from them. Crazy.
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            • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
              Frank no I wasn't referring to that one, as I hadn't seen it.

              Signatures are fine as far as I know.
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              • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
                Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                Frank no I wasn't referring to that one, as I hadn't seen it.

                Signatures are fine as far as I know.

                LOL oh your relly gonna love that one then......

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            • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
              Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

              Allen as Allen is the only one who N/A's people you would have to ask him, but why do you have to post the same post twice, apart from wanting to get your signature seen :p
              Bev,

              The first letters of each line. "Buy My WSO"

              But the signature thingy is a nice by-product. Creative? LOL

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

              Allen as Allen is the only one who N/A's people you would have to ask him, but why do you have to post the same post twice, apart from wanting to get your signature seen :p

              Steven, the problem is that on the old forum, there was an unwritten rule that allowed people to post and point to their signature if it was a relevant wso. It happened time and time again because it was allowed. Because it was an unwritten rule, it was left to the mods to decide.

              It is also not creative to start dozens of threads about the same topic which is on the same theme as the wso. If a person wants to be helpful, then why not post when they have no wso running.

              With all the questions that these so called experts are asking, why would anyone in their right minds believe them, and buy from them. Crazy.
              Bev, that goes to the issue of credibility to begin with. I won't mention
              any names but I can't tell you how many sigs I see here that are a total
              joke.

              Guy makes a post, "I hope to have your success someday" and in his sig
              it has a link "Make $10,000 monthly" or something like that.

              It's ludicrous. Don't these people think when they post? If not, don't they
              realize how dumb they look when their sigs have bold claims and then they
              ask how to get traffic to their site?

              Do these people think I would ever buy ANYTHING from them?

              This is the kind of stuff that simply boggles my mind and may be one of
              my biggest pet peeves when it comes to forum participation.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                Questions like this are exactly why I stopped posting in the main forum.

                I don't want anyone to mistake my normal posting habits for simply trying
                to drive more traffic to my WSO.

                Honestly though, I think this is being blown out of proportion. The same people that are abusing the system are the same ones that abuse every single loop hole they can find, which is by far a small majority.
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                • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
                  Seems the only people who don't like this thread are the ones who have been blatently selling in the main forum.

                  Michael the problem is that a wso is run for a few weeks, and how do you know that it is failed in 24 hours? On the old forum, I found that I would continue to get sales regardless of the position it was in. I could have thought, it didn't get many sales on page one so it failed. But, it would stay on page one for less than 24 hours.

                  Why not wait until you have all the facts in front of you not what you think are the facts in the first day or two, and then ask.

                  Steven, Jeff has said it all.

                  Let me say why I posted this.

                  There are/were a number of posts recently. I haven't looked to see if they were still around, and this is from memory.

                  This is why you should have a free wso. I have one and in the last 48 hours I have had over 100 sign up and sales of $400.

                  My wso hasn't made a sale and it has been running for 24 hours, it is in my signature.

                  I haven't sold as many as I would like (hint, hint) it is in my signature if you would like to look.

                  Then we have a few warriors who start a thread relating to their wso where they are not giving any information. They are asking a question, a few lines and basically it is a take a look at my wso without saying it.

                  Example, say I have a wso for ghostwriting (which I don't) and then I start a whole heap of threads like this.

                  Do you use ghostwriters?
                  Have you ever had problems with ghostwriters?
                  Would you pay in advance a ghostwriter?
                  Is duplicate content a problem when hiring a ghostwriter?

                  And then just asking a question you really don't want the answer to because you are doing it the way you always did.

                  I did that example so that people won't know who I was referring to.

                  Bev
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                  • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
                    Short and simple... mentioning your WSO in any shape, form, or fashion has never been allowed on the main forum. Never. (At least never in the 2 years I have been here.)

                    The unwritten rule was that although there is no selling allowed in the main forum that you could mention a product you own ONLY if it addresses a specific question asked by the OP.

                    With the new forum so many of the old rules have been pushed aside and forgotten that there is a noticable "lets see what we can get away with" attitude going around. Every day you see people straight out selling on the main forum, mentioning running WSO's, and everything else that never would have lasted 2 minutes when we had mods monitoring things.

                    There are some members of the forum, including some long standing and well known names, who take every opportunity to mention their product in the main forum. One thing to remember, just because a few old timers were given a little slack because of the amount of time that have put in here and the contributions they have made to the forum doesn't mean its open for everyone to do it.

                    As I said, some very respected members take every opportunity to mention their product, regardless of if a specific question was asked or not. Some people call this marketing or some call it branding or some call it other things. Personally, I see it as someone who doesn't respect this forum, this community, or Allen. If you have to resort to blatent spam on the main forum then you really need to rethink your business models.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
                    But this poses a problem for some.

                    For instance, I am an expert in a specific field. That is what I know, that is what I do and that is what I can help people with.

                    Unfortunately, that's the topic of the threads I start and that's the topic of the threads I participate in.

                    In line with Steven's reasoning (helping people), I also do this because I can't really help with much else, short of polls and other little threads that I can randomly chime in on. Like this one.

                    The problem is that this could be misconstrued as me trying to monopolize the forum in this particular niche and blatantly advertise my products and services.

                    That's not why I am participating in the Main Forum...and this is the reason Jeremy quit. Some folks think I am trying to sell sell sell when in fact I am trying to help people and offer my opinions and suggestions, just like Steven said above.

                    Never have I mentioned my WSOs or my sig file, NEVER...but that didn't matter to some people.

                    How do you get around that? I could post on other things as well, but I don't want to because I don't know much about them and I don't want to give information on what I am not an expert in.

                    What's a guy to do?

                    Respectfully,
                    Allen Graves
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                    • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
                      Allen there is a difference between helping and starting threads which are not being helpful at all. That is when people see self promotion.

                      Strange that you and Jeremy have stopped giving to the forum, but are prepared to take from the forum.

                      And how you mention your directory in as many posts as you can, and Jeremy says that a certain directory which is run by you is the best around. You make a good tag team, and it is boring when Jeremy makes a comment like I like [name of directory] and you immediately post a one liner to confirm it. Maybe you don't say your wso or signature, but you keep telling us you have a paid article directory, and how since you have done this you have got rid of certain problems that other directories have etc, etc.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
                        Sorry Allen, I misread your comment. Thanks Jeff for clarifying. It doesn't help when I am playing catchup from the overnight posts.

                        Allen, if you read my previous ones, you would have seen the type of posts I was referring to.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                          One thing I try to be very conscious of whenever I start any kind of post is
                          that it doesn't directly relate to anything in my sig if I can help it. I think you
                          will notice that even though I am mostly known for article writing and marketing
                          there are NO links in my sig on that subject.

                          Most of my posts are actually more "mindset" than anything else, which is
                          why at the old forum with the mods so many of my posts ended up in Mind
                          Warriors. But I am very self conscious about not saying anything that could
                          be construed as self promotion. And even as hard as I try, I have inadvertently
                          slipped at times and have been called on it. And that's fine. If I'm doing
                          something I'm not supposed to be doing, report the thread and have it
                          deleted. It's that simple. I'm no different from anybody else and don't
                          expect to be treated differently.

                          The blatant "hey, check out my sig" posts drive me nuts. But it's not my
                          forum. If Allen decides that he wants to allow that sort of thing someday,
                          fine. My biggest concern about this forum is that it turns from a place
                          where people are honestly trying to help others to a blatant pitch fest.
                          When that happens, there won't be anything left to come to, IMHO.

                          But again, it ain't my call. All I can do is try to do the best that I can and
                          try to set an example.

                          And in case anybody is wondering, my 9000th post is going to be the 9
                          most important things I feel I've learned since I started marketing over 5
                          years ago. I hope it's worth reading when the time comes.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                            The blatant "hey, check out my sig" posts drive me nuts. But it's not my
                            forum. If Allen decides that he wants to allow that sort of thing someday,
                            fine. My biggest concern about this forum is that it turns from a place
                            where people are honestly trying to help others to a blatant pitch fest.
                            When that happens, there won't be anything left to come to, IMHO.
                            Steven,

                            Now that "everyone" is a mod it is everyone's concern, not just Allens. We all have a responsibility to this forum to report any post that doesn't follow the rules and guidelines we all know are there.

                            Allen has decided on self moderation so any time a post is made that clearly breaks the rules then anyone who sees it and doesn't report it is doing a huge disservice to all of us.

                            As there are no more mods we all have to shoulder up to the wheel and do our best to keep the forum running smoothly. If every one who has complained about the blatent advertising would step up and do the simple act of clicking the report button then these posts would be deleted very quickly.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Lance K
                              Hey Bev, check out my sig file for an answer to your question. j/k


                              Here are a few ideas...
                              1. Use a graphic for your avatar that says "Check Out My Hot New WSO In My Sig File"
                              2. Attach an image file that shows a process map addressing the issue in the thread. At the bottom, list a domain that redirects to your WSO
                              3. Reply to a post in binary. Have the message include reference to your WSO.
                              4. Pig Latin
                              Hope that helps.
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                              • Profile picture of the author jjpmarketing
                                I have noticed recently a warrior with a very good product blatantly promoting their product as response to a thread. It may be relevant, but it rather turns me off about the warrior in particular.

                                Ex: User posts thread about problem with widget. This warrior posts response with some lead in that eventually states, my product is the solution to your problem.

                                One post like this, I would ignore... but I have seen repeated posts like this. This is why I find it annoying.
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                          • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post


                            Most of my posts are actually more "mindset" than anything else, which is
                            why at the old forum with the mods so many of my posts ended up in Mind
                            Warriors.
                            Then why not post in the correct forum then?
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                            • Profile picture of the author John Ritz
                              The most discreet way is to post an image that has an "NLP-Mass Control-Hypnosis-Thingy" (note the scientific terminology) imbedded/hidden in it somewhere, kind of like a watermark, that commands you to go to EatMoreBeefJerky.com (or your website of choice).

                              For example:



                              (Courtesy of my friend, Mr. Subtle!)
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                            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                              Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                              Then why not post in the correct forum then?
                              Good point Les. I probably should. Guess I'm too lazy to go over there LOL.

                              That's another problem with forums. Members have their favorite places to
                              hang out and some places with great info never get checked out.

                              Maybe if we had some kind of incentive system for posting in other parts of
                              the forum. Like for every 10 posts you make at Mind Warriors or somewhere
                              else besides the main forum and off topic, you get something. Heck if I know
                              what, but it's just a thought.

                              So Les, how's it going these days? Any progress with some of that stuff I
                              sent you?

                              Let me know if there's anything else I can do for you.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
                                Bev,

                                From your original reply to me last night, I'm sure you can plainly see exactly what I was talking about.

                                Yes, I've mentioned that website (a very few times out of thousands of posts), but it was in perfect context. Had I mentioned another website would that have been OK (or smart?) I don't give the URL and I don't even link to it in my sig.

                                And yes, Jeremy posted that he likes it...but guess what, he DOES! Is he not allowed to voice his opinion and am I not allowed to thank him for his kudos? Why must a conclusion be jumped to that we are in cahoots?

                                There are hundreds of posts every day here about EZA, GoArticles, ArtticleDashboard and how peoplpe like or don't like them. What's the dang difference? Just because their owners are not here to contribute? Some would think I should be thanked for my unique insight instead of chastised for it.

                                Just because that is my field and that is what I talk about here doesn't mean I'm out to scam everybody. But obviously that is what some people believe.

                                I have posted in THOUSANDS of threads here and gotten hundreds of thank you PMs. Those people see and know that I am here to help. I have never asked a single one of them for anything in return except that they "pay it forward" whevener they can. In fact, I have given away MANY more ebooks and memberships for free than I have gotten from my WSOs that have only ran for a month or two out of the two years I've been a member here.

                                And this isn't just about me...I've seen this happen to a lot of people who chime in on their fields of expertise. I know you replied in haste, but it's truly offensive after it goes on for so long. I can plainly see Jeremy's reasoning, but I don't want to stop particpating.

                                Guess I'll have to keep running against the wind. (Bob Segar)

                                AL

                                I should probably stop reading this thread LOL
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                                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                  Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

                                  Bev,

                                  From your original reply to me last night, I'm sure you can plainly see exactly what I was talking about.

                                  Yes, I've mentioned that website (a very few times out of thousands of posts), but it was in perfect context. Had I mentioned another website would that have been OK (or smart?) I don't give the URL and I don't even link to it in my sig.

                                  And yes, Jeremy posted that he likes it...but guess what, he DOES! Is he not allowed to voice his opinion and am I not allowed to thank him for his kudos? Why must a conclusion be jumped to that we are in cahoots?

                                  There are hundreds of posts every day here about EZA, GoArticles, ArtticleDashboard and how peoplpe like or don't like them. What's the dang difference? Just because their owners are not here to contribute? Some would think I should be thanked for my unique insight instead of chastised for it.

                                  Just because that is my field and that is what I talk about here doesn't mean I'm out to scam everybody. But obviously that is what some people believe.

                                  I have posted in THOUSANDS of threads here and gotten hundreds of thank you PMs. Those people see and know that I am here to help. I have never asked a single one of them for anything in return except that they "pay it forward" whevener they can. In fact, I have given away MANY more ebooks and memberships for free than I have gotten from my WSOs that have only ran for a month or two out of the two years I've been a member here.

                                  And this isn't just about me...I've seen this happen to a lot of people who chime in on their fields of expertise. I know you replied in haste, but it's truly offensive after it goes on for so long. I can plainly see Jeremy's reasoning, but I don't want to stop particpating.

                                  Guess I'll have to keep running against the wind. (Bob Segar)

                                  AL

                                  I should probably stop reading this thread LOL

                                  Allen, you should have been here when I first arrived LOL.

                                  Ever attend a lynching? LOL.

                                  You have it easy my friend, believe me. And that I've survived as long as
                                  I have is a damn credit to me.

                                  And if that sounds egotistical, well, so be it. I earned my battle scars.

                                  Ask Big Mike LOL.

                                  So chill my friend, cause you ain't alone.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
                                    Allen, take a deep breath, because you are the one who made it personal here. When I posted, look at the examples I gave, and unless you have a guilty conscience then it had nothing to do with you.

                                    You were the one here pushing your views on how to be creative, and when a comment wasn't made immediately you reposted it. Why? There was no reason for that.

                                    You have only mentioned your site a few times, I think not. Just go back to the old forum, and look at how you had alias' saying how wonderful you were. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy praising a site, but when it is a tag team, where he posts and moments later you post affirming it with a one liner, that is a tag team, and not being helpful.

                                    I could say Steven is a great article marketer and give his site, but I guarentee that he wouldn't post a response in a few minutes or even a few hours later which is a one liner.

                                    Allen you have turned this thread around to you, and made it sound like you're the victim here. Does that mean you have been posting all the types of threads I quoted because they didn't have your name on them. You want to make this thread about you, then go ahead but quit acting like the wronged party, when you started the problem yourself.

                                    Maybe the biggest problem is that some people push the boundaries, they know they push the boundaries, and even when they are not mentioned, they then act like the victim, it says an awful lot about the way they operate.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
                                      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                                      Allen, take a deep breath, because you are the one who made it personal here. When I posted, look at the examples I gave, and unless you have a guilty conscience then it had nothing to do with you.

                                      You were the one here pushing your views on how to be creative, and when a comment wasn't made immediately you reposted it. Why? There was no reason for that.

                                      You have only mentioned your site a few times, I think not. Just go back to the old forum, and look at how you had alias' saying how wonderful you were. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy praising a site, but when it is a tag team, where he posts and moments later you post affirming it with a one liner, that is a tag team, and not being helpful.

                                      I could say Steven is a great article marketer and give his site, but I guarentee that he wouldn't post a response in a few minutes or even a few hours later which is a one liner.

                                      Allen you have turned this thread around to you, and made it sound like you're the victim here. Does that mean you have been posting all the types of threads I quoted because they didn't have your name on them. You want to make this thread about you, then go ahead but quit acting like the wronged party, when you started the problem yourself.

                                      Maybe the biggest problem is that some people push the boundaries, they know they push the boundaries, and even when they are not mentioned, they then act like the victim, it says an awful lot about the way they operate.
                                      I tell it like it is. THAT is who I am. That's all.

                                      Let's take this to PM, Bev. I don't have any problems with you.

                                      I have to quit this thread or I'm gonna go nuts.

                                      As far as the aliases. That was a stupid little game I was playing with Mr. Pretty. I have since apologized and moved on, as most everyone else has.

                                      oh...one other thing...I thought the original post called for cute and creative. I didn't realize what you were really getting at.

                                      That's why I reposted it because nobody got it the first time. LOL...was trying to be playful.

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                                      I think that many of us are not using the "Report a Post" button enough. I have used it a couple of times, but the posts I report don't disappear and the users are not n/a'd. From what I gathered when the forum switched over, reported posts would be removed and users n/a'd for multiple offenses. That tells me that nobody else is reporting the ones I did.

                                      Obviously there are not enough of us using the report button. Should there be more of an emphasis on this? Should more of us be using it?

                                      If we all took ownership and really stayed professional about it, this thread probably wouldn't have ever been created. LOL

                                      Sure, it's working with the outright spam, but if we see these borderline posts as Bev showed above or like the one in the previous post by Johnny, report them and they'll disappear. Eventually word will get around and they will become few and far between.

                                      AL
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                                      Hey Bev,

                                      Just a little piece of advice for you here and take it for what it is worth...

                                      Don't ever think you know what my intentions are. I hardly ever talk to Allen either in this forum or away from it and for you to suggest that I am in cahoots with him does a little bit more that piss me off.

                                      Stick to investigating things that matter instead of going through every single thread on the forum and trying to find something wrong when there is nothing wrong.

                                      Somehow you see impropriety in the fact that Allen and I were online at the same time and posted in the same thread?

                                      Have you checked the bottom of the forum at all to see how many people are here at any given time?

                                      I would appreciate it that in the future you do not assume to know my intentions and make it seem like I am doing something wrong when I was doing nothing more than trying to help another warrior out.

                                      Unbelievable,

                                      Jeremy

                                      Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                                      Allen, take a deep breath, because you are the one who made it personal here. When I posted, look at the examples I gave, and unless you have a guilty conscience then it had nothing to do with you.

                                      You were the one here pushing your views on how to be creative, and when a comment wasn't made immediately you reposted it. Why? There was no reason for that.

                                      You have only mentioned your site a few times, I think not. Just go back to the old forum, and look at how you had alias' saying how wonderful you were. There is nothing wrong with Jeremy praising a site, but when it is a tag team, where he posts and moments later you post affirming it with a one liner, that is a tag team, and not being helpful.

                                      I could say Steven is a great article marketer and give his site, but I guarentee that he wouldn't post a response in a few minutes or even a few hours later which is a one liner.

                                      Allen you have turned this thread around to you, and made it sound like you're the victim here. Does that mean you have been posting all the types of threads I quoted because they didn't have your name on them. You want to make this thread about you, then go ahead but quit acting like the wronged party, when you started the problem yourself.

                                      Maybe the biggest problem is that some people push the boundaries, they know they push the boundaries, and even when they are not mentioned, they then act like the victim, it says an awful lot about the way they operate.
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                                • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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                                  Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post




                                  I have posted in THOUSANDS of threads here
                                  How do you work that one out?
                                  Your post count is only 298
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                                    Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

                                    How do you work that one out?
                                    Your post count is only 298
                                    Allen is one of our reinstated members. I'm sure he has learned his lessons
                                    from his past mistakes.

                                    Everybody deserves a second chance.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
                                    Oh Leslie, You're so delightfully inquisitive. LOL

                                    And no devious purposes detected whatsoever!! :rolleyes:

                                    Whoever cares, knows.

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                        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
                          I always find it a bit strange that we get all bent out of shape when members market in a marketing forum.

                          My ex used to get all upset because I would pop by church in time for coffee, and soon be handing out a business card or two for my renovation business. None of the people I gave cards to were upset, because I was providing a valuable service. "Oh, you want to add on a piano room. Why don't I drop by, take a look, and give you an estimate."

                          Those coffee times were just like an online forum. Sometimes you merely shoot the breeze and catch up on local gossip, other times you pick up some business. Seems to me, the old Roman forums were the same.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
                            Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

                            I always find it a bit strange that we get all bent out of shape when members market in a marketing forum.
                            Yup

                            Lets spend ages giving someone an answer to their problem, then direct them to a competitor.

                            Lemme think, I spend a while answering a question about membership sites but then say oh yeah you can get a really good health membership at such and such (I don't think so do you, or am I missing something here).

                            Or someone asks me about my membership software, do I say yeah go to the sales page and pay full price, or do I say check my wso in my sig and get it half price. (Please don't check it)

                            You lot make me laugh sometimes. So many people on this forum are playing the "lets catch em out game" I seriously wonder if they actually get any work done.

                            Who cares if your wso is in your sig. (mine is), as long as you arn't blatently promoting it.

                            Who cares if you mention your product when giving excellent advice, (why shouldn't you).

                            I can't believe the sanctimonious crap posted on here sometimes.

                            Yeah we're all mods, don't let it go to your collective heads!

                            Bev this isn't aimed at you as the OP

                            Kim
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                            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                              Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

                              Yup

                              Lets spend ages giving someone an answer to their problem, then direct them to a competitor.

                              Lemme think, I spend a while answering a question about membership sites but then say oh yeah you can get a really good health membership at such and such (I don't think so do you, or am I missing something here).

                              Or someone asks me about my membership software, do I say yeah go to the sales page and pay full price, or do I say check my wso in my sig and get it half price. (Please don't check it)

                              You lot make me laugh sometimes. So many people on this forum are playing the "lets catch em out game" I seriously wonder if they actually get any work done.

                              Who cares if your wso is in your sig. (mine is), as long as you arn't blatently promoting it.

                              Who cares if you mention your product when giving excellent advice, (why shouldn't you).

                              I can't believe the sanctimonious crap posted on here sometimes.

                              Yeah we're all mods, don't let it go to your collective heads!

                              Bev this isn't aimed at you as the OP

                              Kim

                              Kim, I do understand where you're coming from and if you look at a lot of
                              my posts here, I have said that this is a marketing forum so if we're not
                              here to market why are we here?

                              But, having said that, Allen makes the rules and if I'm not mistaken (and
                              somebody please correct me if I'm wrong) since moving to this new forum,
                              he has clearly said, "No check out my sig posts." They are not allowed. So
                              if the guy who runs this place says that's the way it is, then we have to
                              abide by his rules.

                              At least that's the way I see it.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Bev Clement
                              Kim, I know that

                              I have no problem with people answering questions and having their wso in their signature, that is what they are for.

                              But it seems that some people think they should start a wso, and within 48 hours post about how good or bad it has done. That is what I was talking about

                              Bev
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                              • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
                                Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                                Kim, I know that

                                I have no problem with people answering questions and having their wso in their signature, that is what they are for.

                                But it seems that some people think they should start a wso, and within 48 hours post about how good or bad it has done. That is what I was talking about

                                Bev
                                Thank you for the voice of reason. I agree with you entirely in that case.

                                What gets me fired up is the bitchin and whingin about signatures etc. (unless its pointing to filth or blatent spamming).

                                I'm quite aware of what Allen requires in his forum Steve. and I should imagine most of us try and keep within the guidelines. (yeah and maybe sometimes some of us slip, I've done it myself).

                                But let's get a grip, it's not a hanging offence, yeah lets slap a wrist or 2, but my god, it gets out of hand sometimes.

                                Lets concentrate on getting rid of the crappy spam that does appear occasionally, thats the most helpful thing to do for everyone. yeah point out in a thread that someone has gone over the line, but why do we have complete threads devoted to the subject.

                                I'm sorry Bev, I appear to have hijacked your thread

                                I should take my own advice and do some work!
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                            • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
                              Originally Posted by Jeff Hope View Post

                              Kim, Kevin -

                              This thread is about those cases where the posters aren't meeting the conditions you've stated (bolded above). They are only posting to mention their products and WSOs.

                              I don't think anyone has mentioned anything about the sig files themselves, just the blatant self-promotion of them.

                              Jeff
                              Hi Jeff

                              I appreciate that (and agree)

                              The point I was making was some people take it even further to ridiculous levels.

                              Oh heck,
                              I'm cranky and bitchy cos I can't make 1sc aff program do what it should
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                            • Profile picture of the author Greg Cooksley
                              Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

                              Yup

                              Lets spend ages giving someone an answer to their problem, then direct them to a competitor.

                              Lemme think, I spend a while answering a question about membership sites but then say oh yeah you can get a really good health membership at such and such (I don't think so do you, or am I missing something here).

                              Or someone asks me about my membership software, do I say yeah go to the sales page and pay full price, or do I say check my wso in my sig and get it half price. (Please don't check it)

                              You lot make me laugh sometimes. So many people on this forum are playing the "lets catch em out game" I seriously wonder if they actually get any work done.

                              Who cares if your wso is in your sig. (mine is), as long as you arn't blatently promoting it.

                              Who cares if you mention your product when giving excellent advice, (why shouldn't you).

                              I can't believe the sanctimonious crap posted on here sometimes.

                              Yeah we're all mods, don't let it go to your collective heads!

                              Bev this isn't aimed at you as the OP

                              Kim

                              Hey Kim,

                              Well stated.....

                              I have a question about a thread in the Main Forum started a couple of days ago which was started to directly promote the OP's new forum:

                              http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...have-done.html

                              It's my understanding that this is one of the things that is not allowed - or do I have the bull by the udder?

                              Please explain....

                              Regards

                              Greg
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                              • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
                                Originally Posted by Greg Cooksley View Post

                                I have a question about a thread in the Main Forum started a couple of days ago which was started to directly promote the OP's new forum:

                                http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...have-done.html

                                It's my understanding that this is one of the things that is not allowed - or do I have the bull by the udder?

                                Please explain....

                                Regards

                                Greg
                                This is exactly what is being discussed here as not being allowed. On the old forum when we had mods that post would have been nuked in less than a minute.

                                The biggest problem here is that with no mods to keep rule around the roost there are posts that are being let slide because the vast majority of members can't bother to take the time to report the threads or posts.

                                If people would just start clicking that report button that Allen provides on every post made on this forum almost all of this would go away quickly.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                        Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                        Allen there is a difference between helping and starting threads which are not being helpful at all. That is when people see self promotion.

                        Strange that you and Jeremy have stopped giving to the forum, but are prepared to take from the forum.

                        And how you mention your directory in as many posts as you can, and Jeremy says that a certain directory which is run by you is the best around. You make a good tag team, and it is boring when Jeremy makes a comment like I like [name of directory] and you immediately post a one liner to confirm it. Maybe you don't say your wso or signature, but you keep telling us you have a paid article directory, and how since you have done this you have got rid of certain problems that other directories have etc, etc.
                        I did not even see this one...

                        Are you serious?? Really....

                        I don't give to this forum? Who the hell made you the monitor of contributions?

                        I would love to post the contents of my PM box here so you can see exactly how I am contributing to members of this forum.

                        I would love to show my phone bill here to show you exactly how many members I talk to on the phone and help...FREE OF CHARGE.

                        Maybe I will post emails here of members that I help....FREE OF CHARGE

                        Honestly, I don't know why you feel the need to include my name in any of your rantings, but in my opinion you are too nosey for your own good.

                        What do you contribute, Bev?

                        You spend your time here investigating people, is that your contribution?

                        Every post you make is either an indirect dig at someone or a direct one that gets to slide because you have been a member here for so long...ridiculous.

                        I have never ever had a problem with any member here and have never tried to "call them out" for anything that was not justified, but you have definitely crossed the line here.
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                    • Profile picture of the author TimG
                      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

                      But this poses a problem for some.

                      For instance, I am an expert in a specific field. That is what I know, that is what I do and that is what I can help people with.

                      Unfortunately, that's the topic of the threads I start and that's the topic of the threads I participate in.

                      In line with Steven's reasoning (helping people), I also do this because I can't really help with much else, short of polls and other little threads that I can randomly chime in on. Like this one.

                      The problem is that this could be misconstrued as me trying to monopolize the forum in this particular niche and blatantly advertise my products and services.

                      That's not why I am participating in the Main Forum...and this is the reason Jeremy quit. Some folks think I am trying to sell sell sell when in fact I am trying to help people and offer my opinions and suggestions, just like Steven said above.

                      Never have I mentioned my WSOs or my sig file, NEVER...but that didn't matter to some people.

                      How do you get around that? I could post on other things as well, but I don't want to because I don't know much about them and I don't want to give information on what I am not an expert in.

                      What's a guy to do?

                      Respectfully,
                      Allen Graves
                      Allen,
                      I'm also in that bit of a pickle because quite frankly the subject you are referring to is something I've also become rather experienced in over the last several years - hence I always try and provide some form of an answer in posts that cover that topic. There are a few other areas I could also post in but I tend to stay focused on my bread and butter.

                      On the other hand, I could always chime in on any adwords related postings but unless anyone is interested in learning how to get banned from adwords I doubt my advice would go very far - - any takers...Bueller, Bueller...

                      Respectfully,
                      Tim
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                      • Profile picture of the author milan
                        My suggestion would be:
                        start a browser wars thread it will stay there forever
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                      • Profile picture of the author VegasVince
                        A true Warrior with a credible reputation and body of work...doesn't need creative ways to promote his or her WSO...unless they have NOT established a credible reputation or body of work.

                        I know this for sure...because the real WSO players.....have both. Period. That's something these newbies jumpin in with shitty products/wso...never understand. And they scratch their heads...when shit don't sell.

                        Because no matter how many WSO's get pumped out daily....no matter how they set up the bumping system and the rest of it.....quality cream will always rise to the top. Quality Warriors....will rise to the top...because their products reflect themselves.

                        When I finally put the finishing touches on my first...and most likely only WSO.....all I plan to do is announce it....probably several weeks ahead of time...after I hand out some freebies to a few peeps that actually "like Vinnie" here.

                        In total confidence....I'll let nature take it's course after that.

                        I wont give a shit...about all the other WSO offers that will be buried above and below mine............I won't give a shit about the competition...cuz my WSO is competition free...which by the way...is always a good premise to start from.

                        I know for sure my WSO....is going to sell...well. Why???

                        Because it's gonna contain my heart and soul which is more then most WSO's do....it's gonna contain real solutions that people can use to make money....communicated as only Vegas Vince can. It's going to be a WSO that I can honestly tell myself....I gave these people my best...got nothin left to give.

                        It's gonna over deliver....not ask for an upsell.

                        Cuz it's gonna deliver exactly what I say it will...and that's how you make BIG money with WSO's.....you deliver something original..that knocks them on their asses...does what it says.....and get the troops....aka...your buyers..to promote for you.....gladly promote for you.

                        And mine will!

                        Believe it.

                        I don't need to be creative. Just good. And original. Stuff legends are made of.



                        xxx Vegas Vince
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                        • Profile picture of the author jhongren
                          Hi Vegas Vince,

                          Good quality WSOs or any other products will definitely outshine those lower quality ones.

                          When it delivers the results as it promised, buyers are going to tell their friends, who in turn will tell their own friends.

                          Traffic to the WSO is going to be purely organic growth.

                          Let the satisfied buyers promote for you instead. =)

                          Cheers,
                          John
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                          • Profile picture of the author David_Thompson
                            I have seen well establish WSO sellers polluting
                            the main forum with crap threads just to get
                            their shit seen.

                            I know this is the practice and it is been thought
                            because of an ebook on doing WSO's, but it sucks
                            to see the crap other members are posting to get
                            their WSO seen...

                            Offer good solid content relating to your WSO is
                            a damm good way to your stuff over to other
                            members, and not any old crap like ...oh here is
                            a picture of my dog...lol

                            --David
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                            • Profile picture of the author VinceNouvel
                              Yeah I seen some crappy answer like.. Check my sig... U will find your answer there...
                              What a B.S and boring way.. Somebody please comes up with something!!
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                        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                          Originally Posted by VegasVince View Post

                          A true Warrior with a credible reputation and body of work...doesn't need creative ways to promote his or her WSO...unless they have NOT established a credible reputation or body of work.

                          I know this for sure...because the real WSO players.....have both. Period. That's something these newbies jumpin in with shitty products/wso...never understand. And they scratch their heads...when shit don't sell.

                          Because no matter how many WSO's get pumped out daily....no matter how they set up the bumping system and the rest of it.....quality cream will always rise to the top. Quality Warriors....will rise to the top...because their products reflect themselves.

                          When I finally put the finishing touches on my first...and most likely only WSO.....all I plan to do is announce it....probably several weeks ahead of time...after I hand out some freebies to a few peeps that actually "like Vinnie" here.

                          In total confidence....I'll let nature take it's course after that.

                          I wont give a shit...about all the other WSO offers that will be buried above and below mine............I won't give a shit about the competition...cuz my WSO is competition free...which by the way...is always a good premise to start from.

                          I know for sure my WSO....is going to sell...well. Why???

                          Because it's gonna contain my heart and soul which is more then most WSO's do....it's gonna contain real solutions that people can use to make money....communicated as only Vegas Vince can. It's going to be a WSO that I can honestly tell myself....I gave these people my best...got nothin left to give.

                          It's gonna over deliver....not ask for an upsell.

                          Cuz it's gonna deliver exactly what I say it will...and that's how you make BIG money with WSO's.....you deliver something original..that knocks them on their asses...does what it says.....and get the troops....aka...your buyers..to promote for you.....gladly promote for you.

                          And mine will!

                          Believe it.

                          I don't need to be creative. Just good. And original. Stuff legends are made of.



                          xxx Vegas Vince

                          Vince, I will be the first one to buy that WSO. I know beyond any doubt
                          that whatever you're doing to make a buck has to kick the doors off of
                          most of the crap out there.

                          Can't wait my friend.
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                  • Profile picture of the author GuruGazette
                    Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

                    Michael the problem is that a wso is run for a few weeks, and how do you know that it is failed in 24 hours?...
                    I'm really late to this thread but I wanted to raise my hand on this one. I do... and I can't be the only one.

                    I lurk here more than I post because this place is a gold mine of research data. Just dropping in here every day and scanning what's hot, questions being asked, what WSOs are being released and so on reveals so much information it's not funny. You can see trends, problems, fads, etc really easily.

                    There's two reasons why I keep my finger on the pulse:
                    1. Old habit from being an affiliate program manager for several years
                    and
                    2. I have a bad habit of being too far ahead of the curve.

                    By watching what's going on throughout various areas of this forum, I can get a good feeling for when this market might be ready for something. I'm not always right though, so I use the WSO section as a testing ground. And I can usually tell within hours whether something will fly or not.

                    I've even withdrawn WSOs when they haven't gotten sales in the first 24 hours.

                    (I used to watch the porn industry to see where the affiliate marketing industry would be heading next, I now watch the WF to see where consumer stuff will head next)

                    This might not be the norm but I fully believe I'm not the only one who does this type of thing.

                    As for blatant self promotion threads... I agree for the most part. I've probably made the mistake myself in the past though, because if I'm in troubleshooting mode I don't think, I take action. And if that action requires input from others than I've probably started a thread in the main forum that some might see as an attempt to promote a WSO. In reality though, the thought hadn't even crossed my mind.

                    With that said though, I DO promote my stuff (wso or not) with replies and participation in the main forum. I just do it really subtley. Those who do it blatantly are easy to spot though, and I just skip right over. Some will eventually learn they're only hurting themselves in the long run, and those that don't will disappear with rants about how "this doesn't work!"

                    My few cents
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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Bruno
          hmmm.... You must be referring to that new post with a click bank screenshot?

          The only way that you can really promote your WSO in the main forum is if you had it in your signature link.

          Contributing to the forum with a signature link I don't think constitutes for blatant promotion of their WSO, because it could be any link for that matter that goes anywhere not just a WSO.

          I really don't see too much blatant advertising for WSO's. I see more of the "I'm going to launch a WSO to show you how I'm doing it " type of posts


          Frank Bruno
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      • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
        I've noticed that as well. Is it now allowed to do this? Is is still against the rules to promote your products/WSO in the main forum? I've seen blatant posts doing both of these recently so I'm a bit confused.

        Example if someone want to advice on underwater basket weaving and I have an ebook on the subject can I say "check out my product here" with a link to it? Or check out my sig? Doesn't sound right to me. It would be a non-stop pitch fest out there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Alan Petersen View Post

          I've noticed that as well. Is it now allowed to do this? Is is still against the rules to promote your products/WSO in the main forum? I've seen blatant posts doing both of these recently so I'm a bit confused.

          Example if someone want to advice on underwater basket weaving and I have an ebook on the subject can I say "check out my product here" with a link to it? Or check out my sig? Doesn't sound right to me. It would be a non-stop pitch fest out there.
          Allen already addressed this in another thread about a week or so ago.

          No, you can't say check out my sig or anything like that. It is against the
          rules, period. I wish I could find that post. Darn!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
        Originally Posted by TOPGUN08 View Post

        Subliminal messages. Id post a video and insert subliminal messages like on that episode of Columbo.
        hey topgun,

        Remember I said earlier in another post couldn't see much wrong in your avatar,

        Well to be blunt, I think your takin the piss with your sig.

        I'm not easily offended, but that does offend me and it definately isn't appropriate for this forum

        Kim
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Who says swearing and porn are not appropriate for a business forum? sheeshhh

          Someone is uptight
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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

          hey topgun,

          Remember I said earlier in another post couldn't see much wrong in your avatar,

          Well to be blunt, I think your takin the piss with your sig.

          I'm not easily offended, but that does offend me and it definately isn't appropriate for this forum

          Kim
          Kim, unless that's HIS domain, it breaks the rules of the forum anyway.

          All links MUST be to a domain that YOU own.

          I'm almost afraid to ask.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            Kim, unless that's HIS domain, it breaks the rules of the forum anyway.

            All links MUST be to a domain that YOU own.

            I'm almost afraid to ask.
            Not bothered whether its his domain or not. its disgusting

            Jeremy I'm not uptight, nor am I a prude. My 13 year old niece was stood near me when I clicked his link. I didn't appreciate her reading it. I don't go on porn sites, and I don't expect to be lead to that type of thing on a marketing forum

            Ricter, that's what I meant

            Kim
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
              Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

              Not bothered whether its his domain or not. its disgusting

              Jeremy I'm not uptight, nor am I a prude. My 13 year old niece was stood near me when I clicked his link. I didn't appreciate her reading it. I don't go on porn sites, and I don't expect to be lead to that type of thing on a marketing forum

              Ricter, that's what I meant

              Kim
              I put the smiley face in there to let you know I was being sarcastic lol
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              • Profile picture of the author TheVCF
                Bev and Fellow Warriors,

                Although I can perceive that this may appear to be "borderline" ...

                Would it be permissible to Post and ask for Advice, in the Main Forum, as to why our (first in a long time) seems to be "underperforming"?
                And/or for Recommendations for Improvement as to how we may improve it / it's performance herein?

                Please let us know how and/or where we may get such advice / recommendations for improvement without being perceived as just "self promoting our WSO", ok?

                Thank you all for your help and participation and Have a Great Day!

                - Michael
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                • Profile picture of the author John Rowe
                  The answer to this problem is easy.

                  Rather than create a separate post like this one to talk about people advertising their WSO in the main forum... POST DIRECTLY TO THE THREAD.

                  Have the courage to speak up in the thread. Tell them you've reported their post for breaking the rules... and openly encourage other members to report it as well so it will vanish. If it is breaking the rules, then it will disappear.

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                • Profile picture of the author Mike McBride
                  Originally Posted by TheVCF View Post

                  Bev and Fellow Warriors,

                  Although I can perceive that this may appear to be "borderline" ...

                  Would it be permissible to Post and ask for Advice, in the Main Forum, as to why our (first in a long time) seems to be "underperforming"?
                  And/or for Recommendations for Improvement as to how we may improve it / it's performance herein?

                  Please let us know how and/or where we may get such advice / recommendations for improvement without being perceived as just "self promoting our WSO", ok?

                  Thank you all for your help and participation and Have a Great Day!

                  - Michael
                  Just my opinion here, but I'd say no, that would NOT be permissible.

                  Wait until your WSO has run it's course and has closed, and then ask why it tanked. Or PM members you trust and ask them to look at it now and give you some advice.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
                    JMO, but if you plan on running a WSO, wouldn't you submit it to a trusted network of people you trust that will give you honest feedback...before you launch it?

                    First off, you would get some testimonials, secondly, you would get the feedback necessary to ensure you put out a quality product.

                    Then, as stated above, once your WSO ran it's course, disable the link to buy, and ask for advice,opinions, or anyhting that you feel would benefit you the next time.

                    JMO,

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        • Profile picture of the author Ricter
          Originally Posted by Kim Standerline View Post

          hey topgun,

          Remember I said earlier in another post couldn't see much wrong in your avatar,

          Well to be blunt, I think your takin the piss with your sig.

          I'm not easily offended, but that does offend me and it definately isn't appropriate for this forum

          Kim
          Agreed. For the page it points to.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

    There are so many who are promoting their wso in the main forum that it is boring.

    If you are going to break the rules or get close to the border line why not try and be creative.

    Let's see how many creative ways you can promote your wso in the main forum.

    I suggest creative not the boring standard ones which pretend to be helpful or try and say there is a problem but being really creative.
    I agree Bev.
    It's about time more people started hitting the report button
    and making them vanish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricter
    Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

    There are so many who are promoting their wso in the main forum that it is boring.

    If you are going to break the rules or get close to the border line why not try and be creative.

    Let's see how many creative ways you can promote your wso in the main forum.

    I suggest creative not the boring standard ones which pretend to be helpful or try and say there is a problem but being really creative.
    What's that old saying, "don't sell a salesman"!? ; )
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  • Originally Posted by Bev Clement View Post

    There are so many who are promoting their wso in the main forum that it is boring.

    If you are going to break the rules or get close to the border line why not try and be creative.

    Let's see how many creative ways you can promote your wso in the main forum.

    I suggest creative not the boring standard ones which pretend to be helpful or try and say there is a problem but being really creative.
    Why don't you spill the beans Bev?

    Arindam
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  • Profile picture of the author Keith Boisvert
    What's odd, that regardless how transparent some posters can be in self-promotion, if they would just be smart they would get just as much traffic.

    For example, if you were a traffic guru and had a WSO running and had it in your sig, and someone posted a question about traffic...a really concise and helpful post(non promotional) will actually cause people to look in your sig.

    If I am looking at the above example thread, and I see that someone has been helpful and sounds knowledgable, my eyes drift right to their sig file.

    If someone comes across spammy and is self promoting, I avoid them like the plauge, and that includes their products...regardless of who they are.

    But that's just me. Maybe my ethics prevents me from making much more than I could. But I can live with that.

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    • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
      This is an interesting thread!

      I think if you want to promote your Sig file or WSO providing very helpful answers is the key.

      Maybe even shedding some secrets for instance if you had a WSO like "How To Make $1000 From Adwords" and you answered an Adword releated thread and gave them a golden nugget for free that they could use I am pretty sure they would consider buying your WSO.

      The way I look at it, it works like free reports work, you give gems of info to recieve traffic or sales and concentrate on providing really good content and then the rest will follow.

      Also I have another questions that is releated to this thread.

      Are you allowed to ask what people would like answered in a WSO?

      So if you are thinking of running a WSO on Adwords for example are you allowed to ask what questions or help people would like with Adwords first?

      Chris
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
    Originally Posted by Jeff Hope View Post

    Let's make up a new word for it - how about "promosting" ? As in, "Hey, I don't have time right now, I have to do a bit of promosting at the Warriors."

    It's not just WSOs - there are a few who are constantly using the forum to self-promote their various sites, downloads, etc. in addition to their WSOs.

    Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I believe the original idea, here as elsewhere, was that you post something of value to the forum as the "give", and your sig file was your "take".(NB: This does not mean "me too" posts...)

    Now a number of people around here are basically extending their sig files into their posts, making for what is really a long advertising post. These people either start a disproportionate number of new threads to do that, or barring new threads, they manage to sneak in a reference to their own (or friends') sites, giveaways, etc. within almost every post they make.

    A lot of us who've been here a while see exactly what they're doing (and don't really care for it, judging by this thread). But a lot of newer members don't see it right away because it's so subtle.

    Case in point - gratuitously starting new threads, in particular those where someone isn't asking a question but is "sharing" info that's directly related to their site, product, etc.

    The person who starts a thread can be likened to the "manager" of the thread. That person can easily reply, control the flow of the conversation in the direction they want it to go, etc. in a very smooth & subtle way.

    Those who post replies to the thread, are the "individual contributors". Obviously still important for the thread to go anywhere, but not nearly as free to control the direction, tempo, etc. without looking obvious - unless of course they get one of their friends to help out in the "conversation". In other words, the technique is "It is much better for visibility & promotion to start a new thread of your own than to contribute to someone else's."

    The value in doing this, besides building up post count, is that the person starting the thread then has lots of permanent "access points" into the forum through various searches, all of which are built around the product they are offering or plan to offer. This not only provides a lot more visibility when the product is released, but also establishes a perceived expertise on that topic for the original poster.

    Whether that's smart marketing or totally self-centered marketing is up to each reader to decide for themselves. Let's face it, there are a lot more (pick your adjective) smart / clever / cunning / shrewd / devious marketers these days. Again, it's up to each reader to determine which of those apply, and what the true motivations of the original poster are.

    I'm not saying all new threads are like that - not even close. In fact, there are some who start new threads that are almost always a valuable & worthwhile, or at the very least, thought-provoking, contribution to the forum. Those are worthy of being read, discussed, & saved for future reference.

    But there are a few around here who do so constantly, as either veiled self-promotion or a build up to a WSO.

    All of that has to be taken in context too. If Willie or Paul wants to post about an interview, etc., then by all means they should. They've paid their dues around here, with plenty of "give & no take" over the years. I, and proably most everyone here, feel that they've earned that privilege.

    Not so IMO for these people coming in with 200-300 posts & doing the same thing (most of their posts being of the "me too" or "look at my product" variety). Those people need to study, for another example, how Josh Anderson does it. He's an expert on web audio & video, & he answers a lot of questions directly in his posts (not by saying "check out my product for the answer"). That's his "give" - and his related products are in his sig - the "take".

    Look at posters like Andy Henry, who rarely "takes" at all. Or Steven Wagenheim, who, though he occasionally takes some heat, continues to share both his wise decisions and his not-so-wise decisions (his words) that he's made following his off-the-beaten-path style of marketing.

    Anyway, enough of the rant from me - hopefully the newer members here will look at threads & posts a bit more critically, asking themselves about the poster's major motivations.

    Jeff

    Jeff, thank you for the kind words as well as your other thoughts, all of
    which I agree with on the surface.

    Here's the problem.

    It's called motive.

    When somebody makes a post to this forum, there is always a motive
    behind that post. Yes, even I have my motives. Make no mistake about it.

    What are they?

    Simple. I hope to provide information to the other members of this forum
    so as to earn their trust in the hopes that down the road, they might
    become customers or at least subscribers of mine.

    After all, this is a marketing forum, right? If we're here for purely altruistic
    purposes, aren't there better ways to spend our time?

    I mean let's be honest. I am pretty sure that everybody here either has a
    business to run or it hoping someday TO have a business to run. Otherwise
    why bother being here? I don't hang out at chess forums because I just
    don't have any interest in the game anymore. I don't play. I don't plan to
    play and I don't have any plans to be a world chess champion someday. So
    there is nothing there for me. The people who are here are here for two
    reasons.

    1. To gain knowledge.
    2. To share knowledge.

    If there are no people here to share knowledge then nobody can gain
    knowledge. So somebody has to start these "Here's how to..." posts.
    Otherwise, this forum dies.

    Agree with me so far?

    Okay, the motives of the folks who are here to gain knowledge are clear as
    day. They want to improve themselves so that they can make more money.

    It's that simple.

    However, the motives of those who help the other members are not so cut
    and dried.

    I've admitted mine. I hope that someday, some of these people will trust
    me enough to become customers.

    But some people are looking for a fast buck. They're posting with the
    intent of making an immediate sale.

    Problem is, how can we tell the difference between the two?

    It's almost impossible unless you are just incredibly intuitive. And even
    then, this whole forum had it all wrong about me when I first got here.
    I was labeled a scammer from day one simply because I replied to about
    80 posts in one day. Okay, not smart, but not done with any criminal
    intent in mind. I was just trying to help some folks who needed it.

    Yes, there are other motives for people being here. Some are looking to
    network and get JVs with others. Some people just like to hang out at
    forums because they love to chat. That's their motive. But I think they're
    the exception to the rule. I think if you got honest answers from most of
    the members here, you'll find that they're looking to get something out of
    their time here. And there is nothing wrong with that. At least not in my
    opinion. Again, we're not running charities.

    Yes, some people are quite transparent and you can tell right away what
    they're up to. But with others, it's not so easy.

    That's why I think it's great that we have a member moderated forum now.
    If you think a post is inappropriate, report it. It's that simple. Yes, the
    newer folks will have a harder time doing this. But there are plenty of old
    timers here (I do not consider myself one of them) who can sniff out a
    con a mile away.

    Point is, I don't worry about this all that much. I truly believe that this
    problem, if it is a problem, will take care of itself through member moderation.

    Anyway, I've rambled on long enough. I'm getting close to 9,000 posts so
    I have to try to come up with something intelligent to say.

    I'll try to keep it as altruistic as I can.
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I am surprised at the digs at Jeremy. He has personally looked at a few of my websites for free when I asked him about affiliate promotion pages (not my strongest suit) and I have to say he has provided plenty of value to me for free.

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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      I had all but forgotten about this thread. LOL

      I can only imagine what's going to be said from here down.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

        I had all but forgotten about this thread. LOL

        I can only imagine what's going to be said from here down.

        AL
        I had all but forgotten about it too, but I was searching for something and came in contact with it again...Needless to say, I was a little surprised and upset at what had been said.
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        • Profile picture of the author zerofill
          This thread is a joke...

          For one...Kevin is correct. I get a kick out of Marketers complaining about being marketed to.

          Also...ok...someone mentions their WSO...Guess what I see people mention what they do for their job over an over again...They normally have a WSO related to it to. So if you are a copywriter, programmer, graphics person, web designer etc... Don't talk about those topics if you have a WSO going. I don't want to see it...You are promoting your WSO..{ { Sarcasm intended } }

          As for Jeremy and Allen...Text is Text and no one knows their motives but them. For someone to come out and slander them in my opinion is bullshit. Because I have seen many valuable posts from both of them. I also speak with both of them often and know their intentions. As a matter of fact Jeremy and I are working together. I know what his intentions are...and they aren't anything like what is referred to in this thread.

          This is the kind of whining and crying and talking out ones ass that annoys the hell out of me on this forum lately.

          Personally I have always thought you were a bit of a smartass Bev...but I also know text is text and isn't always what it seems. But this thread is making me second guess. Getting sick of the "holier then thou" attitudes that seem to be rampant lately...as I mentioned one other time.

          The true reason why I, and people like Jeremy don't post lately is because most of what is being said lately doesn't deserve to be posted in. It should just fall to the bottom of the forum as quickly as possible.

          However you have no idea who people like Jeremy, Allen, and myself and others have helped via PMs etc for FREE. So don't go pointing fingers at people you do not know.
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          • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
            Wow...we can always count on you to be subtle, can't we, Don.

            You know, I probably speak for a lot of people when I say that if I were disallowed to post on my particular expertise, I would be stuck giving one liners about which guru is the best or what autoresponder I use or when I first started in internet marketing.

            In my opinion, people with expertise should not only be allowed, but should be encouraged to post in their respective niche's threads...WSO or not. As long as they don't call attention to it, I don't see the problem. It only makes this forum a MUCH better place to learn.

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            • Profile picture of the author zerofill
              Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

              Wow...we can always count on you to be subtle, can't we, Don.

              You know, I probably speak for a lot of people when I say that if I were disallowed to post on my particular expertise, I would be stuck giving one liners about which guru is the best or what autoresponder I use or when I first started in internet marketing.

              In my opinion, people with expertise should not only be allowed, but should be encouraged to post in their respective niche's threads...WSO or not. As long as they don't call attention to it, I don't see the problem. It only makes this forum a MUCH better place to learn.

              AL
              Well...yeah subtle is not my fort'e until I take my medicine lol...which I forgot HAHA...My wife just said did you take your pills? Your bing a ******* :p

              Anyway...you can tell the difference between people that know what they are talking about and offering valuable information and people who are just trying to promote themselves...

              This thread is useless and doesn't do anything but take up hard drive space...
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