How many warriors are actually making money|

8 years ago

Giving someone a general direction to go in with regards to IM isn't a bad thing. Having a path to go on means that those starting these threads will need to do some further researching/reading on the forum, but that is a much better way to learn than hand holding. No matter the methods suggested, I cannot think of one that hasn't been discussed in detail elsewhere on the forum.

Successful Warriors shouldn't feel obligated to spend hours on this section of the forum, walking every single "Help me" or "How to make easy money" thread starter through their own personal, tried and true methods...

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George Wright

8 years ago

40,165 give or take.

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xohaibx 8 years ago

Originally Posted by George Wright

40,165 give or take.

What gave you that number? I'm pretty sure it's around 65,129
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8 years ago

I make a bit off Fiverr but not loads but oh well it is still money!

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8 years ago

That's why I almost never respond to threads with titles like this because, you know, it goes both ways. Extremely broad questions tend to get extremely broad answers: hats off to the couple of warriors I've seen who provide really detailed and longform answers to simple questions.

I understand that the person who starts such a thread is completely new to Internet marketing, but I think this person's time would be better spent reading up on the basics and deciding what path to follow.

Then the person might be able to start a thread where a specific, intelligent question is asked about a certain area of Internet marketing, a tool, an ad network etc. Those are the treads I think are worth engaging with in general.

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tagiscom 8 years ago

Yep, most "how to make money" threads, seem to go on, and there are so many hours in the day, so we might either skim it, or leave it alone.

Maybe a How to Make Money sticky should be developed, but l suspect that newbie's will still ask the same questions? :rolleyes:

I myself have tried many things over 5 years plus, and am currently doing graphics for a hub site. Great SEO, and l can do the graphics myself, and eventually outsource.

So, l would recommend that to newbies, but since it took me a year to learn, and the software costs $400 at least, as well as developing my skills over time, it isn't a quick fix.

And they require high end stuff, although they do allow some crappy graphics through!

So there is a learning curve to make it work.

As others have said, most wouldn't spend 5 years working their guts out full time, with the usual crap from friends, etc, to end up in the right place at the right time, to achieve this goal.

My advise to artistic newbies is to go to Graphicriver, learn form the experts, and buy or borrow, The Idiots Guide to Photoshop CS2.

Then save and buy it, or spend $50 a month for the latest version on their cloud server.

This approach will take time and effort and no more than $500 to start. It will probably take a few failures to get a handle on it, but it is better than slogging away for years on end with a site or blog, hoping it coughs up or that Google's next zoo animal doesn't destroy all your hard work!

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Miguelito203

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

Every time some newbie open a new thread with something like "Help me" or "How to make money online"

A stream of warriors jump on and comment with stuff like

"Facebook PPC is good"
"Build your list, then sell to your list. Easy!"
"Just blog, and have banner ads on your page"
"Pick a product, make a squeeze page then build your list"

Look, I am not doubting any of these methods. BUT I seriously DON'T think it will help these newbies especially if these kind of comments are so broad and honestly useless.

Besides those VERY awesome warriors who actually walks them through step by step guide to point them in the right direction. Most of them are just 1-2 line comments.

Just got me thinking, how many of these warriors who give these advice are actually making money online?

NOTE: I could be completely wrong everyone is making money. But I just think maybe we could approach giving advice a different way.

I follow lots of people that visit this forum that make lots of money. I think the reason people give such brief answers is for two reasons: They don't have time to write a book, and they expect you to do further research about your various options. It's kind of part of the "entrepreneurial spirit," I think.

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8 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

Every time some newbie open a new thread with something like "Help me" or "How to make money online"

A stream of warriors jump on and comment with stuff like

"Facebook PPC is good"
"Build your list, then sell to your list. Easy!"
"Just blog, and have banner ads on your page"
"Pick a product, make a squeeze page then build your list"

Look, I am not doubting any of these methods. BUT I seriously DON'T think it will help these newbies especially if these kind of comments are so broad and honestly useless.

Besides those VERY awesome warriors who actually walks them through step by step guide to point them in the right direction. Most of them are just 1-2 line comments.

Just got me thinking, how many of these warriors who give these advice are actually making money online?

NOTE: I could be completely wrong everyone is making money. But I just think maybe we could approach giving advice a different way.

Plenty of people on here make money.

But Warriors tend to get tired of answering the SAME questions EVERYDAY.

The experienced Warriors usually just skip the newbie threads because they are tired of answering the same questions over and over. Guess who replies? The inexperienced Warriors. That is why there is a lot of questionable advice floating around.

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troy23

8 years ago

15 years every month without fail.
Best advice I can give is to build an online business & stop chasing these quick profit
streams. They will only result in a few bucks before it becomes saturated and eventually fade out. Build websites with products, articles...useful information & the traffic & sales will come.

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LimitlessTraffic

8 years ago

From reading these response, I think I looked at everything the wrong way.

Maybe it's not the response that I am annoyed at.

It's questions that I see daily from newbies that want help.

I'll be honest and say I do go through them and see if I can learn anything new but as I said they are all the same advice.

I could imagine some very old warriors sick and tired of reading seeing these threads.

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SkyrocketSEO

8 years ago

Why are people interested in how much other people make? Who cares, take care of your biz

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RestlessBlaze

8 years ago

I am newbie here, i have already made my first dollar. It wasnt tough. But i havnt touched three figures yet !!!!

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trader909

Banned 8 years ago

"best free traffic,
get 2,00 clicks a day
how to make 30$ a day"
get top g. rankings"
what niche should i pretend I am an expert in to dupe some newbie into buying my $9 report?"

proves most are clueless.

my guess ,10% anything worthwhile. B2B best. I can't stand the average:

"dude, i just made $40 gaming some sucker on F.B."

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tagiscom 8 years ago

We also get sick of newbies asking these questions and then when a lot of warriors respond with good advise they seem to disappear? :rolleyes:

Maybe they don't like the responses and go for the next shiny object?

This Russian hacker, who out of the goodness of his heart, must know how to create wealth by pressing a few buttons?

Well him and his dancing monkey!!!!!! :rolleyes:

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John Atkins

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

A stream of warriors jump on and comment with stuff like

"Facebook PPC is good"
"Build your list, then sell to your list. Easy!"
"Just blog, and have banner ads on your page"
"Pick a product, make a squeeze page then build your list"

Look, I am not doubting any of these methods. BUT I seriously DON'T think it will help these newbies especially if these kind of comments are so broad and honestly useless

Why not? Those methods work and in fact I make money with all of them except for facebook PPC ads. It's not because facebook advertising is useless; it's just that I'm not using their service at the moment. And it's true that a lot of people in forums parrot what they hear from others, but some methods are recommended again and again for one simple reason: they work.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 8 years ago

Originally Posted by John Atkins

some methods are recommended again and again for one simple reason: they work.

Some, yes.

But many others are recommended either (commonly!) because people are making money promoting products/service based on them to beginning marketers most of whom will fail, and/or because people repeat the "advice" they've seen others giving for so long, none of them quite appreciating that everyone else is just doing the same and that its original source was the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing.

In an activity like internet marketing (just as is true of so many other forms of attempted self-employment), in which the overall success-rate is so very low - whoever's figures one believes - it should surprise nobody that many of the items of advice and consensuses of opinion expressed and discussed in forums turn out actually to be fundamentally flawed, unreliable, oversimplified or otherwise misleading.

Indeed, learning to appreciate that that's so was, for many of us here now earning good livings through IM, the first real step - i.e. in the right direction - along the road to profitability: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8532320 .

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Darrin Bentley

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Some, yes.

But many others are recommended either (commonly!) because people are making money promoting products/service based on them to beginning marketers most of whom will fail, and/or because people repeat the "advice" they've seen others giving for so long, none of them quite appreciating that everyone else is just doing the same and that its original source was the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing.

In an activity like internet marketing (just as is true of so many other forms of attempted self-employment), in which the overall success-rate is so very low - whoever's figures one believes - it should surprise nobody that many of the items of advice and consensuses of opinion expressed and discussed in forums turn out actually to be fundamentally flawed, unreliable, oversimplified or otherwise misleading.

Indeed, learning to appreciate that that's so was, for many of us here now earning good livings through IM, the first real step - i.e. in the right direction - along the road to profitability: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8532320 .

That's precisely the reason I watch what I say (both here and in real life

Some people can't resist having their voices heard....even if their advice might potentially (even if indirectly) harm others'.

It's no coincidence we have two ears and just ONE mouth. Btw, you're great Alexa!

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johnben1444

8 years ago

There are lots of millionaires here and take what they say seriously..:rolleyes:

Besides, no one is going to give out his recipe or spoon feed anyone openly.

We still remember what happened to the SEO industry and still happening,
only God knows what, when, how and where it's gonna head. :confused:

A big thanks to overtly giving which isn't a healthy trend for any of us.
Truth is truth.

Also, bear in mind that you can learn how to make money with just one thread no
matter how intensive it appears to look. You still need to look more indepth
or when one gives you a course/guide to get started which still have a question mark?

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trader909

Banned 8 years ago

i suppose ignorance actually makes the world go around.

How could the banking and legal profession make money otherwise?

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noon88

8 years ago

This warrior's making money.

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yestyle

Banned 8 years ago

Although I didn't make money from warrior forum but with me, it's good place to connect friends have hobby about internet marketing and SEO.

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Steve B

8 years ago

Don't lose sight of the fact that this is a forum, a place where anyone can share a personal opinion, even advice, regardless of the truth, quality, or usefulness of the post.

You can never be sure how much experience, earning power, or daily business execution is behind every comment.

Over time, someone that frequents these dialogues gets a sense of who the consistent, helpful, seemingly "in the know" Warriors happen to be . . . but really no one knows for sure, especially the newbies.

Where does that leave us? How do we filter out the bad/useless/fake and only pay attention to the good/helpful/smart posts?

The key lies with the observer using his/her own brain, experience, intuition, savvy, whatever you call it, to make a judgment call about every bit of information his mind processes. One gets better and better at it over time and with personal experience as he tries out the advice given to see if, in fact, it actually works!

Or ...

You can take the easy road and look for the "hokey pokey," the instant way to riches without effort.

As so many newbies believe, the hokey pokey ... that's what it's all about!

The best to all of you,

Steve

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gavster23

8 years ago

I make a very modest income from fiverr, (I have been doing it for nearly 2 years) but the experience and knowledge i have gained is more valuable. I have had better results in the short term offering the same services I offer on fiverr on gumtree which seems to have remarkable SEO for a free advertising platform

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8 years ago

Never made a single penny from WSOs or any type of paid system though

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Stephen and Jennifer

8 years ago

Why would anyone want to know this?

If there were over 40,000 making money or just 4000 really doing so, so what? The question I think you should be asking is "How do I Make Money Online?" That is what really matters, not what others are or are not making?

I also agree, however about too many simplistic unhelpful answers because in my book there is no such thing as a stupid question. We all had to get started one time ago and I bet we all knew next to nothing or nothing at all back then?:confused:

The only simplistic answer that answers the question is Get A Mentor. That is the very first step for anybody wishing to get started. Internet marketing is a minefield of information and misinformation overload that confused all of us when we got started.

A mentor should be step #1 period. Beware, however of those fake guru slaters who claim to be making millions yet hide behind paid actors while selling scam get rich quick software that never does as their paid actors are told to say.

To find the real deals, Google their names and choose one with tens of thousands of rave reviews from those who were helped to get over the initial pitfalls and scams to steal the time and money away from newbies and beginners who want to live the Internet lifestyle.

Be also warned however, that living the Internet lifestyle will take many years of learning and hard work to achieve and cannot ever happen in less than 2+ years for the hardest working and several more for those with less free time or motivation.

To your success, one and all.

Stephen & Jennifer.

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LimitlessTraffic

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Stephen and Jennifer

Why would anyone want to know this?

If there were over 40,000 making money or just 4000 really doing so, so what? The question I think you should be asking is "How do I Make Money Online?" That is what really matters, not what others are or are not making?

I also agree, however about too many simplistic unhelpful answers because in my book there is no such thing as a stupid question. We all had to get started one time ago and I bet we all knew next to nothing or nothing at all back then?:confused:

The only simplistic answer that answers the question is Get A Mentor. That is the very first step for anybody wishing to get started. Internet marketing is a minefield of information and misinformation overload that confused all of us when we got started.

A mentor should be step #1 period. Beware, however of those fake guru slaters who claim to be making millions yet hide behind paid actors while selling scam get rich quick software that never does as their paid actors are told to say.

To find the real deals, Google their names and choose one with tens of thousands of rave reviews from those who were helped to get over the initial pitfalls and scams to steal the time and money away from newbies and beginners who want to live the Internet lifestyle.

Be also warned however, that living the Internet lifestyle will take many years of learning and hard work to achieve and cannot ever happen in less than 2+ years for the hardest working and several more for those with less free time or motivation.

To your success, one and all.

Stephen & Jennifer.

The truth is I don't care how many people make money online. I'm more annoyed about the warriors that give one line advice to newbies like "Youtube marketing is good, go do it"

I understand that most people don't have time to help out but at least point them to the right direction. Instead of just saying "build a list and market to that list". One can guide them on how to do so or even recommend them a product or youtube video.

Just like with getting a mentor with your example. I totally agree with you that a mentor is more valuable than a course. But simply telling them to go get a mentor is just as useless as go go some banner ad space.

I know we can't have affiliate links or any advertising within the discussion section. But recommending mentors should be allowed shouldn't it? At the end of the day, we are meant to help each other not overwhelmed these new warriors.

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Robert Oliver

8 years ago

Making money on the internet became easy when I quit

chasing every bright shiny object that was out there that was

here today and gone tomorrow.

If you look back over the years this forum has been around, just

take notice of what the successful people.

Listbuilding will set you free. When you have a responsive list of

buyers that you can market to whenever the need comes up, you can

write yourself a good paycheck. Lesson learned very early here.

Affiliate marketing is awesome. No need to get tied up creating products,

worrying about shipping, collections etc. Just go promote what is already

selling to a hungry crowd. They will always buy.

One guy who I attached myself to early on was Travis Sago. Travis philosophy

was and still is to find a hungry market and give them what they want.

This worked then, and still works today.

You will hard pressed to have a Warrior come here and share his income information.

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BambiFox

8 years ago

Originally Posted by Robert Oliver

..., just

take notice of what the successful people [do].

Listbuilding will set you free. When you have a responsive list of

buyers that you can market to whenever the need comes up, you can

write yourself a good paycheck. Lesson learned very early here.

Affiliate marketing is awesome. No need to get tied up creating products,

worrying about shipping, collections etc. Just go promote what is already

selling to a hungry crowd. They will always buy.

Basic concepts live forever.

People want the same basic things they did 1000 years ago. They love novelty, security, good health and money; they love to throw rocks at their enemies. (Thanks: Blair Warren)

Find groups of the above, give them the best answers to satisfy them- you'll make money.

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Steve B

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

The truth is I don't care how many people make money online. I'm more annoyed about the warriors that give one line advice to newbies like "Youtube marketing is good, go do it"

Limitless,

If you really don't care how many people make money online, then why are you asking for comments? Broad, general, "no possible way to answer" questions are going to get similar responses.

When you ask busy Warriors to take time out of their businesses to answer a question you don't care about you shouldn't expect anything but what you've got in this thread.

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

I understand that most people don't have time to help out but at least point them to the right direction. Instead of just saying "build a list and market to that list". One can guide them on how to do so or even recommend them a product or youtube video.

Recommending a product or a Youtube video isn't going to help anyone become a successful marketer. If you want that kind of guidance, just go to the WSO section or the Classified Ads - there are tons of products and videos. Simply sending someone "in the right direction" rarely works and in many cases is not appropriate for the Main discussion forum if it is promotional.

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

At the end of the day, we are meant to help each other not overwhelmed these new warriors.

Any help you get from this forum is due to the generosity of the Warriors and nothing else. No one here is responsible, accountable, or otherwise indebted to give new Warriors anything!

So many new forum members come here with an entitlement mentality and a hand out expecting successful members to reveal exactly what they're doing, how much they're making, and how the new Warrior can copy what the seasoned business person spent years building.

If you want a helpful answer to a question, be specific and ask a single intelligent question about how to do something. I have always found Warriors to be very helpful when marketing questions, even the most elementary and simplistic, are framed in this manner.

When newbies come here asking "How many are making money online?" (which no one can answer) is it any wonder that the responses are going to be equally as broad and nebulous?

The best to you in your IM journey,

Steve

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theweekendguy Banned 8 years ago

I don't make much money bcoz i am lazy . Jokes apart there are lots of warrior that i know make good living.
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8 years ago

I'm making abit off Ebay.
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Terry Ivers

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

Every time some newbie open a new thread with something like "Help me" or "How to make money online"

A stream of warriors jump on and comment with stuff like

"Facebook PPC is good"
"Build your list, then sell to your list. Easy!"
"Just blog, and have banner ads on your page"
"Pick a product, make a squeeze page then build your list"

Look, I am not doubting any of these methods. BUT I seriously DON'T think it will help these newbies especially if these kind of comments are so broad and honestly useless.

Besides those VERY awesome warriors who actually walks them through step by step guide to point them in the right direction. Most of them are just 1-2 line comments.

Just got me thinking, how many of these warriors who give these advice are actually making money online?

NOTE: I could be completely wrong everyone is making money. But I just think maybe we could approach giving advice a different way.

Well, one thing that could be done is point them to the war room? That way, they get good ways of making money and experienced warriors don't have to continuously repeat themselves?

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Bill Hugall

8 years ago

My guess is because the question lacks any real depth. This forum is filled with free info. Any question about how to make money is just someone being lazy and opens the door for people to boost their post counts.

"Please tell me exactly how to make money online so I can finally live the life of my dreams."

All of the listed options allow you to make money. If you want a full hold your hand plan..... PAY FOR IT!!!. Sorry to be so harsh, but at the end of the day anyone who has succeeded has been someone who has paid for information and then get this.... Applied it.

Despite what most around here will tell you. Most WSO will actually give you the basic layout. I still make thousands a month off of a WSO I bought and gave my all to over a year ago. No hand holding, no extra support. I just did what was shown. Step by step I went at it and gave it my all. Now I am a full time marketer who gets to walk my kids to school everyday.

So those posts can beat it. Pick a product and get to work (applying everything). You may be surprised to see what happens

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Sweersz

8 years ago

Two things you need to make money online:

1) Content that is valuable, unique and thorough
2) Traffic

It's easier said than done. What works for someone else may not work for you. Test, analyze, refine and repeat.

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ConnerHogan

8 years ago

As a rule, 95% of what people say is not true. But it is very hard to find that 5%. Only a good leader can find that 5%.

Trick question, which 5% of that last statement is true?

You have to understand, we all were new at once. I found my way. Since those people are looking for answers, they will keep looking until they find them. This is just one source they go to.

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Fun to Write

8 years ago

Keep in mind that new people are discovering this forum every day. They ask because they are curious and haven't been through the learning curve yet.

There are lots of people here with different personalities and ways of viewing things. Answers reflect that. There's really no way to change the way this question is asked.

So, the only thing YOU can do is ignore these threads in the future and don't waste time making threads about minute details such as how people chose to answer a questions.

You won't be bugged by it anymore.

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seobro

8 years ago

I make money on the following venues:

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Amazon Affiliate
Ebay
Paypal
Bidvertiser
Kindle
Fiverr
Craigslist
Newspaper Ads

many more...

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eman2011

8 years ago

Not as much as i would like but i make some money freelancing and received mu first Adsense check.

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katarina1

8 years ago

I made money from:
-warrior classifieds (~30 sales)
-fiverr ($60)
-my own website($7,000 so far)
-binary trading($4000/month)

I also have a list of optins but they are not responsive as I want them to be,out of 500 people 2 of them will buy something...

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Devilfish168

8 years ago

Originally Posted by katarina1

I made money from:
-warrior classifieds (~30 sales)
-fiverr ($60)
-my own website($7,000 so far)
-binary trading($4000/month)

I also have a list of optins but they are not responsive as I want them to be,out of 500 people 2 of them will buy something...

your own website is mention about what?
cool can earn 7k

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Nicole Sakoman

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

Every time some newbie open a new thread with something like "Help me" or "How to make money online"

A stream of warriors jump on and comment with stuff like

"Facebook PPC is good"
"Build your list, then sell to your list. Easy!"
"Just blog, and have banner ads on your page"
"Pick a product, make a squeeze page then build your list"

Look, I am not doubting any of these methods. BUT I seriously DON'T think it will help these newbies especially if these kind of comments are so broad and honestly useless.

Besides those VERY awesome warriors who actually walks them through step by step guide to point them in the right direction. Most of them are just 1-2 line comments.

Just got me thinking, how many of these warriors who give these advice are actually making money online?

NOTE: I could be completely wrong everyone is making money. But I just think maybe we could approach giving advice a different way.

I had that question always while I wasn't making money... And no one was answering...
Since I started earning money I have never asked someone that question!
Guess that thing is not important when you start earning money online... probably because you do not need that kind of assistance newbies are asking!

Problem is... newbies often try to find a secret advice that will make them few hundred $$$ just by hearing it... while marketers who earn money just want to hear another possibility that they can try. Something that will make their imagination go a different way. They do not ask for money, because some alternative method is good for the imagination, no matter does it come from 0$ guy or 1000$ a day guy.

And broad answers... well... it is kind of a hard to answer on question: How to earn 50$ a day?

Personally... I can earn 50$ a day using video marketing, affiliate marketing, blogging, releasing a WSO, adsense, fb ads... and probably few more... That's all potential solutions (to those who tries to find a main direction, and are ready to dig up everything from that field).

If you would ask me how hard it is to earn $50 a day... I would say it is a piece of cake (at least I see it that way today, when I earn more than 700$ a day)... but to someone who's question is : how to earn 50$ a day? - that will be more than piece of cake

Hope it helps... I know I got distracted a bit...
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brutecky

8 years ago

Lots of Warriors are making money. Oh and they make general comments because thats all that can be given since every business is different. Asking 'how do I make money online' is like saying .. how to I build something with a hammer... the answer of course is .. it depends.

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clever7

8 years ago

Originally Posted by LimitlessTraffic

Every time some newbie open a new thread with something like "Help me" or "How to make money online"

A stream of warriors jump on and comment with stuff like

"Facebook PPC is good"
"Build your list, then sell to your list. Easy!"
"Just blog, and have banner ads on your page"
"Pick a product, make a squeeze page then build your list"

Look, I am not doubting any of these methods. BUT I seriously DON'T think it will help these newbies especially if these kind of comments are so broad and honestly useless.

Besides those VERY awesome warriors who actually walks them through step by step guide to point them in the right direction. Most of them are just 1-2 line comments.

Just got me thinking, how many of these warriors who give these advice are actually making money online?

NOTE: I could be completely wrong everyone is making money. But I just think maybe we could approach giving advice a different way.

Many of those who tell you 'do this and that and you will make money' are not making money themselves, but they pretend to know what they are talking about because they want to get traffic (through their signature) as if they were experts. So, you cannot expect to find sincerity in a popular forum like the WF.

There are also many internet marketers who are making money, and give you precious advice. You have to understand who is saying the truth by analyzing what they are teaching you. Some Warriors are excellent teachers, but you have to look for them, without trusting anyone's advice.

You also have to study internet marketing, so that you may be able to evaluate the good answers in a thread.

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RWBiggs

8 years ago

I was making $10k to $15k monthly selling real products since 1995. Then my credit card processor zapped me and required a special approval for my type of business and an approved shopping cart. I jumped through all the hoops. Then they zapped me with a $20k fee. My internet operation was a different corporation than my brick and mortar corporation, but same processor. My processor then withheld my brick and mortar deposits until I paid the $20k fee for my internet corporation. I closed my 25 yr brick and mortar business and retired. Now I'm concentrating on my internet business. Just making $100 month now. But there is a bright light at the end of the tunnel. I just hope its not another train coming my way. Oh did I mention my web traffic decreased by 85% too after the credit card processor zap. I don't know how to give up.

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qwidjib0

8 years ago

I suspect there are a lot more people here making money on selling money-making products than are actually profiting from using said products. That's just the way the marketing product industry works.. just need to filter out the noise.

I've built several successful businesses using a lot of the types of things you see here (SEO, PPC, content, affiliates). I've seen thousands of others win doing all sorts of things from the perspective of a very large web host. It's never as easy as the WSOs and such usually make it seem, but there are a million paths to success if you're committed and perhaps a little obsessive with getting there. And I do believe that there are lots of people on these boards that can tell similar stories.

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