Making a online business that does not rely on Google...

my marketing concierge doesn't rely on google at all. i didn't bother ranking my site as my competitors i'm sure are seo ninjas and i dont want to waste time losing ranking. i solicit my services via social networks and other freelancing sites. i even sell seo but i've ranked videos rather than my main site. there's plenty of ways to drive traffic socially or by building a list and relying on traffic organically. you can also buy an established site from flippa that has more authority that probably deals less with google update mayhem.

What kept you?

But seriously, congratulations on what can only be a very wise decision, in the long run.

Speaking for myself, I'm a full-time affiliate marketer anyway, so search engine traffic's not much use to me, even when it's reliable. It's actually about 20% of my traffic and 3% of my income, because it's so unresponsive.

Personally, I always suggest to people that they shouldn't put too much of their time and effort into trying to attract SEO traffic, for two main reasons: first, it's very precarious and makes your business Google-dependent, and any business that's Google-dependent is no more than one algorithm-change away from a potential accident (or even a potential disaster), as so many Warriors have been finding out over the last year or two, some of them to their very great cost; secondly, for me, search engine traffic has been uniformly the worst-converting traffic out of everything I've ever tried - search engine visitors to all my websites typically stay the least time, view the fewest pages, opt in the least often and actually buy anything by far the least often. I admit I do get tons of search engine traffic to all my main sites (because high rankings for multiple keywords happen to be a minor side-benefit of the main targeted traffic-generation method I use) but I'd hate to have to make a living just from that traffic.

I never did that. (Unless you call about $50/$60 "investment".) But I see that some starting capital could be useful if you wanted to try the PPC learning-curve, or something that involves paying for traffic.

And good luck with your new venture!

If it helps/interests you, I do this (virtually no Google involvement, and virtually no investment needed!): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5721774

You can build online business that does not depend on Google for traffic. Many online businesses use social networks and other advertising networks similar to Adwords like Bing, 7search to reach customers.

Your Own Products / Services + Affiliates = Good Alternative.

I empathise. The same thing happened to me a few years ago and it was devastating. But lesson learned.

Relying too much on any one thing is dangerous to your business. I'm a big advocate for multiple income streams. If you're good at affiliate marketing and willing to endure search engine updates, you could stick with it - But build other things that will make sure you're not in a situation where your income dries up overnight. Most affiliate (and 'micro-niche') sites will sooner or later get slapped down. That's the harsh reality, but it doesn't mean you won't make money off them until that happens.

List building is one of the most popular methods for internet marketing. It means that regardless of what the search engines do, you'll always have your list. The same with product creation, eBay and selling a service. Pick one that resonates with you, grow it, and then create another income stream.

It's one thing not to "rely" on Google, I can understand that, but LOL at people who go to the opposite extreme and act like they don't care or want traffic from Google.

You should never rely on Google or any other "one" traffic source but that doesn't mean you should focus and still optimize your site to rank as highly as possible. Google (and Bing) are still important and valuable, even if you are a large brand and have primary strategies of social media and PPC.

Create a site that helps people, amazing content, reach out to others, make sure your SEO (on and off-page) is solid, and then work hard and make lots of money. You can make it happen.

Relying on ONE source is sure death.

You can rely on google while its working but dont rely on it so heavily. I still get google traffic to my site from 4 years ago. But I also have 10 different traffic sources! So if one goes out. I'm still good.

I always look for more ways to generate traffic.

One way I am currently mastering is Bing PPC. INCREDIBLE source. I've been getting $0.05 clicks. High targeted traffic.

In response to SEO not being responsive. I would have to say it depends on what you are targeting. I've made more with SEO than I have any other form of traffic. It works. It just takes a lot of work if you are doing all the work yourself.

Learn paid marketing. Definitely quicker. And you can scale that up faster than any SEO done. e

My old niche sites still get a bit of traffic, mostly from Yahoo.

Now I'm focusing on making stuff that's useful and posting on other peoples' forums.

Have you looked at why your sites were devalued by Google?
None of my sites have ever been affected.
By all means look at other traffic sources, but also think how you can build a site that Google loves.

coreypaulotten,

Is the $0.05 clicks on Bing that you've mentioned above from search or content network?

The Google updates changed my online efforts for the better, you only have to pull the rug out from under me once to get me to move on

Create your own physical product and use Amazon / Ebay and other retailers to sell it.

It's probably much easier than you think and generally more profitable than selling other peoples products. Plus you don't have to worry about Google.

Once you have an established product it can be automated to a large extent so you can find more products to sell.

I can help if you're interested?

I've never relied on Google... And still able to generate thousands of dollars a day...

Don't get me wrong, Google is a great place, and some of my closet friends a making a lot money there (I'm also promoting a little bit with adwords and stuff, but it is just a small part of my business).

The problem with old "Online Marketing" methods is that:
a. Everyone is doing it... So the traffic is kind of "burnt out" !
b. The traffic is kind of "burnt out" because everyone is doing it !
(LOL ).

Me, personally, doing over 85% of my income from mobile marketing, I actually use online strategies and take them to the mobile zone... Makes great income!
The best thing about it is that mobile traffic is still "virgin" in many countries... and eve in those that it doesn't, there is still much less competition there then on the internet...

Best,
John.

I understand what you mean when you say that everything in the end is somehow dependent on Google.

I'm trying to find new ways to drive traffic to my websites independently of Google because in the past I was basically dependent on this traffic, since all the other websites that were driving traffic to my websites were dependent on Google.

You can get traffic from social networking sites like Facebook, Twitter, and Google+, but you have to spend time with this practice.

It's a good idea to have a Facebook fan page.

Now I'm trying to drive traffic to my websites through Amazon. I finally published my first Kindle ebook today.

You have to be creative.

You don't bother to rank your own sites are you can't outrank your competitors yet you sell SEO services?

Doesn't give me much faith in your ability when you're unable to rank your own sites.

Your business doesn't have to rely on Google if you build a brand. How about online subscription business? Read this good guide.

If you have got some money to invest then try PPC. You can start with FB Ads , clicks there are still cheap and don't be disheartened if you don't make money initially.

If you want to invest less and make money then you can try getting a custom based designed around instagram/pinterest/Facebook/Google + and start gaining traffic from there. And I hope you know how to convert traffic to $$$$$

The replies here are correct. Not all online businesses always rely on Google. There are other ways on how to make money online without the giant.

Hi,

You can GOOGLE PROOF yourself for good by building your own
email BUYERS LIST.

Of course if you don't have your own products to sell at first you can
start by building a list and monetizing it by promoting other peoples
products as an affiliate.

Once you own a list and know how to market to that list you'll never
need Google to support your living for much longer.

SEO is one crazy world to be involved in.

Get out and look at building your own email list.

All the best
Gavin

The minute I stopped bowing to Google or even caring if I get a single visitor from organic search, that's when my business exploded.

Catering your business to a search engine algorithm is just asking for trouble.

Trying to rank and stay ranked in Google has been the bane of many internet marketer's existence.
Simple answer - don't bother trying rank through Google, if for no other reason that the time it takes to get you there could be better spent in more productive efforts.

Great answers in the above posts, none better (in my opinion) than to start by building your own list. Lots of ways to get this done, but get some solid advice on it first.
While you're doing this you can drive relevant traffic by writing articles for authority sites in your own niche, and forum posting. All time tested, proven methods of getting quality traffic to your site.

Just do some paid advertising. There are alot of sites that you can do this on, and the results are quick.

yes some good responses in here.

doing PPC, Video ads, and forum banners is how we make our money, and there is not one thing I care about google, or have to rely on it to make money. I can totally just turn the other cheek to their stupid ways.

But most poeple in the warrior forum, if google went down tomorrow, or did a big haul alogrithm change, they would lose their business, literally over night, that is something you do not want to do. Rely soley on google. its danger territory.

As with anything, relying on one source can be devastating when they source disappears. With Google it's even more precarious since you never know when they will change everything and you won't be relevant anymore.

The best way to survive is to focus on developing several strong sources of traffic. you can include Google in that but don't fully rely on it. Add in social networks, forums, and other places where your niche traffic hangs out. I find these types of traffic are better anyway if you are an affiliate marketer or selling your own product since they give you more authority and automatic trust with the visitor.

Or if you really love Google traffic and they won't give you any... just buy it. They are always willing to give you traffic if you pay for it.