Am I the only one who sees this?

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I used to advertize Clickbank Products. I have shown their sales pages to a million people. And I never got one sale. I understand the mistakes I made. But in some of the sales pages, there is an auto responder opt in box. The people I send to those pages can become a lead for that product owner. I just spent my hard earned money and time to advertize for some guy to get rich off me.

Does it seem like they purposely make their sales pages unsuccessful in a sale, but very successful in lead generation?
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I was sure my clickbank vendor was skimming me. But I went all over his site to find out how, and I never found anything.

    I think more than anything that people just got tired of buying PC software, PDF's etc. etc. and now they just consume free stuff or apps.
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  • Profile picture of the author LimitlessTraffic
    I usually stay away from offers that has a squeeze page.

    It benefits the vendor more than it benefits us affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author themusiccoach
    Yeah, I see the younger kids and they know how to get around EVERYTHING it is crazy, that is maybe true. Of course this industry has never been mistaken for working for Google. Oh, bad metaphor. Anyway, we would be like the homeless of Google!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    A million people and no sales? THAT sounds fishy...
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    • Profile picture of the author mitz
      Wow a million people... Were they targeted for the product?

      If you sent dog lovers to a cat lover page you would not make any money.

      **Things Change

      I also think that keywords and products die off.. The customers are still there but things change.

      It is like Windows 95..it is really outdated and the info is almost useless.

      Windows 8, touch screens, Ipads, mobiles are in. What do people need that use them? EG only.

      When choosing a product to sell you should go and buy the product yourself to see the process. Also most good product producers care if their affiliates make sales so maybe you have picked the wrong guy.

      BUT if you can send one million to someone's product you should definitely make your own product and be done with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfe655
    I have seen it posted on the forum to never promote a product with an optin box on the sales page. I would not do it. Search Alexa Smith. She has good posts up with step by step guidelines to promoting Clickbank products. I can't really do links here. I am on my phone.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Atkins
    Obviously you shouldn't promote salespages which have "leaks".
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  • Profile picture of the author brentb
    1. Why would you promote a sales page that has an opt in form?

    2. The right way to do this is for the offer to track the opt in and if they purchase through the autoresponders, still reward you with your payout. Nobody on ClickBank is doing this because it's not how their tracking is set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author jfalxr
    Originally Posted by ConnerHogan View Post

    I used to advertize Clickbank Products. I have shown their sales pages to a million people. And I never got one sale. I understand the mistakes I made. But in some of the sales pages, there is an auto responder opt in box. The people I send to those pages can become a lead for that product owner. I just spent my hard earned money and time to advertize for some guy to get rich off me.

    Does it seem like they purposely make their sales pages unsuccessful in a sale, but very successful in lead generation?
    A million people without any sales? :confused:
    Some products have an exit redirect and opt-in..
    I don't think we get comisions from there...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by ConnerHogan View Post

    I just spent my hard earned money and time to advertize for some guy to get rich off me.
    Exactly so.

    Originally Posted by brettb View Post

    I was sure my clickbank vendor was skimming me.
    Independent research has shown that, over a randomly selected sample series of such sales pages, this actually happens very commonly indeed. Vendors sometimes hate it being pointed out, but that doesn't make it less than factual. They have a huge incentive to skim, of course: if they're paying 75% commissions, they can actually double their own incomes by skimming a very small proportion of the leads. And ClickBank allows this (understandably, to be fair to them, since they couldn't possibly enforce anything different anyway): once the prospective customer has opted in, on the vendor's sales page, as far as ClickBank is concerned that lead "belongs" to the vendor, if the vendor wants it. (Many people are unaware of this!).

    Originally Posted by ConnerHogan View Post

    Am I the only one who sees this?
    No ... every serious, professional ClickBank affiliate sees it.

    Almost no serious, pro-affiliate will send traffic to a ClickBank sales page that has a vendor's opt-in on it. That's the biggest "leak" there is.

    It's been discussed here very regularly for many years. (All you need to do is ask the vendor to put up an additional copy of the sales page without their opt-in. If they won't provide that on request, you need to think about what they're really telling you about the way they like to do business, and then promote someone else's product instead ).

    Unfortunately there's quite a lot of misguided thinking and mistaken logic on this subject in many of those discussions, but in this thread every possible perspective was given a pretty thorough airing: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...oduct-opt.html
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  • Profile picture of the author webrankingservices2000
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    How did you generate traffic? IM is all about tracking, it you have tracked it well and ensured high targeted traffic, then surely you would make sales.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
      I have shown their sales pages to a million people.
      A million people? what are you using bots? If you sent a million visitors, then maybe it's not the vendor, maybe it's your traffic source
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  • Profile picture of the author MrMonetize
    A million visitors with no sales is failing hard, unless they've come from a bot? I would have stopped at 5000 visitors to find out why it wasn't converting. You are providing leads for a vendor who must be rubbing his hands. You should have created your own squeeze page, collected the emails yourself and promoted the products through your own email campaigns. You can track the visitors and try different products, copy and the like to find a winning formula. Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Rainee
      The product creator has done the leg work for you to be able to promote a great product.

      (I'm assuming you only promote great products, right?)

      He or she made the serious investment of time, money and risk. Don't you think they should make money when they give you the opportunity to make money?

      Russell Bronson was on a live broadcast recently and he stated that it took more than a year for his number one IM training course to convert to cold traffic.

      Thousands of affiliates are promoting Russell's' program and a lot of them think they're doing something wrong. Yet, Russell couldn't even make good conversions on his own cold traffic.

      And Russel, who is a multi-millionaire, has money to advertise and employees to stay on top of the numbers.

      Here's the question...

      If a team of employees are working on making a product convert to cold traffic and it takes that team more than a year to make it work...even though they have a multi-millionaires marketing budget behind them, what makes you think you're doing something wrong?

      It sounds as though you put in a lot of work. I'm sure you did a lot of things right in the process. Just because you didn't get the result you were looking for, doesn't mean your efforts were wasted.

      However...

      You must control the traffic you're getting. You do that with a "squeeze" page, "landing" page that leads to your own low ticket offer...or leading the traffic directly to your own low ticket offer.

      Either way you're capturing leads in a system you own...before giving that traffic away!

      Once you know how well the traffic you're driving is converting into "optins" or "sales" for you... then you will understand what your conversions should be when you send your list to different affiliate programs.

      Rainee

      P.S. If you're providing a unique bonus (that you put together so it's exclusive to you) then you're way ahead of the game. No bonus? Then, you look like everyone else promoting the same affiliate product and there is no reason for your prospects to buy from you. Give them an irresistible reason to buy...and they will!
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      • Profile picture of the author PotPieGirl
        As a Clickbank vendor, I would be MORTIFIED if you sent a million clicks to my sales page and didn't make a sale. Unless you were sending that traffic via traffic exchanges - which is useless traffic.

        Not all Clickbank vendors take your sales. Some, like me, work really hard to convert that opt in traffic to sales for you.

        Not all vendors skim... some work their butt off to convert that sale for the affiliate.

        But, with that much traffic and/or clicks - something is wrong.

        Bottom line- know your vendor.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Are you sure this product is good and it is selling?

    Perhaps you didn't find the right product, or the right audience, or both.








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    • Profile picture of the author ValCDesigns
      I'm sure that when you say a million people that's not the actual number of clicks you've sent to those pages, you probably wanted to convey the fact that you sent a large number of people to some of the CB promotions. Otherwise I can't understand why would you want to sent a million clicks to some offers, when you can pretty much "judge" the conversion rate of a certain product after only a few hundreds of TARGETED visitors.

      Other than that, you NEVER send a visitor to someone's promotion without having your own list building system in place. AFTER you get the prospect on your list you can then offer them a bonus if they get a certain product through your affiliate link.
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