VPS or Dedicated Hosting

by cobwab
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Hello,

What the heck is VPS or Dedicated Hosting?

Why do I need it?

When should I employ it?
#dedicated #hosting #vps
  • Profile picture of the author JimmyRose
    A dedicated server is an entire computer that is yours to do as you please. You essentially are just renting a computer in a data warehouse somewhere that has a very fast web connection. You only need one of these if you have some seriously high traffic or require CPU intensive tasks.

    A VPS is a "virtual" computer. It lives on a dedicated machine along with other VPS's. It acts like a standalone computer, but shared the CPU and memory of a single PC with other VPS's. You can generally scale these up and down as your traffic requirements change. However you've usually gotta set everything up yourself, including the control panel depending on who you host with.

    These are both higher traffic solutions than shared hosting, but if you're comfortable setting one up, I'd say go with a VPS over shared hosting sooner rather than later just because you have full control, don't live on a server with hundreds of websites and can scale up later
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  • Profile picture of the author tasmedia
    Get on a cloud server, cheaper, more reliable and it can grow as your site grows.

    You can get cloud hosting for $5 per month with digital ocean.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by tasmedia View Post

      Get on a cloud server, cheaper, more reliable and it can grow as your site grows.

      You can get cloud hosting for $5 per month with digital ocean.
      Digital Ocean is not cloud. Everything is "local" storage, not on a SAN, thus not "cloud".

      OP - What types of sites are you running? Chances are, you do not need a virtual server or dedicated server. Be aware, that many here will tell you that you do however, they haven't a clue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark_Austin
    It really depends on what your needs are and what you want to place on it.

    You can start small and upgrade as you business grows...

    We went from shared, to VPS, to dedicated and now we have multiple dedicated servers.

    No need to spend money on solutions you don't require
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by JimmyRose View Post

      "Cloud server" is a pretty loose term. The storage is often local
      Exactly. There's so many that just run virtual machines and label it cloud that its sickening. They generally fall off the map anyhow when their so called "cloud" fails. One comes to mind that advertised on this forum called Proudhosts I believe it was..people were pissed when the guy sold and and they found out it was thousands of accounts jammed on one single server.
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      • Profile picture of the author JimmyRose
        Originally Posted by Kingfish85 View Post

        Exactly. There's so many that just run virtual machines and label it cloud that its sickening. They generally fall off the map anyhow when their so called "cloud" fails. One comes to mind that advertised on this forum called Proudhosts I believe it was..people were pissed when the guy sold and and they found out it was thousands of accounts jammed on one single server.
        Who do you recommend mate? Interested to hear. We're hosted with Rackspace Cloud Servers which are the VPS type and we're more than happy.


        As for control panel someone mentioned WHM. Check out VirtualMin, it's a free control panel that eats Cpanel/WHM for breakfast IMO
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Originally Posted by cobwab View Post

    Hello,

    What the heck is VPS or Dedicated Hosting?

    Why do I need it?

    When should I employ it?
    No offense but if you have to ask you don't need it...
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    • Profile picture of the author arghya139
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      No offense but if you have to ask you don't need it...
      second that
      they are mostly needed when u run a bot / software 24 hours a day
      like gsa or xrumer
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      • Profile picture of the author gc3
        Originally Posted by lifetalk View Post

        You're not really going to need a VPS/Dedicated right off the bat unless you're planning a massive launch and expect boatloads of traffic across multiple websites. In most cases, people start off with shared and move up to a VPS and/or Dedicated once they outgrow shared hosting.

        There is no specific variable that indicates you should switch. You can't just say that it's time to switch if you have 25k uniques per day. That's lies, if nothing else. The cut off for 'the switch' is when you believe your sites are not performing up to the mark, are slow/sluggish to load, don't generally work 24/7, and your host is bugging you day in and day out with 'excessive resource usage' despite promising 'unlimited space and bandwidth'.

        Depending on how good you are with servers, you can often get by with unmanaged and a control panel. You might do well with semi-managed or managed depending on how tech savvy you are with servers and how much of a hassle you're ready to take on.

        So, to answer your question as simply as I can, you need a VPS if you intend to host multiple websites that are going to be based on platforms that are resource intensive (Wordpress, for example, with multiple plugins) and attract a reasonable amount of traffic on a daily basis. You'll need a dedicated server when you outgrow a VPS with more sites of similar nature or when you need to place that one mission critical website on a server of its own without any other site sharing resources.
        What would be a min. configuration to run a database incentive application like prosper 202? Would it be a good idea to run the tracking software on the same VPS as the sites yo are tracking (mainly wordpress)?


        Originally Posted by arghya139 View Post

        second that
        they are mostly needed when u run a bot / software 24 hours a day
        like gsa or xrumer

        What is GSA?


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  • Profile picture of the author alrikvincent
    Well he can still be interested in unmanaged VPS because it is better, faster and 10 times more cheaper than shared hosting in places like HostGator and BlueHost
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    • Profile picture of the author twistedpixel
      I just switch to a VPS with SSD storage and load times were cut almost in half.

      I'm paying around $90/month including WHM, 80GB storage and a few add-ons.

      It's an option that's becoming more popular as prices of SSD (solid state drives) comes down

      It might be overkill for you, but one to consider if you want to host multiple sites (especially wordpress) and speed is important to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author alrikvincent
        Originally Posted by twistedpixel View Post

        I just switch to a VPS with SSD storage and load times were cut almost in half.

        I'm paying around $90/month including WHM, 80GB storage and a few add-ons.

        It's an option that's becoming more popular as prices of SSD (solid state drives) comes down

        It might be overkill for you, but one to consider if you want to host multiple sites (especially wordpress) and speed is important to you.
        Without WHM it will cost you only half of what you are paying now. How much is your bandwidth, storage and ram requirement?
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        • Profile picture of the author lifetalk
          Originally Posted by alrikvincent View Post

          Without WHM it will cost you only half of what you are paying now. How much is your bandwidth, storage and ram requirement?
          WHM for VPS is $15/mo. If he's paying $90/mo, cutting down on WHM won't cut his cost by half. That being said and done, WHM is a pretty good panel to have for people who are not very tech savvy but also don't want to pay extra for 24/7 management.

          @OP
          You're not really going to need a VPS/Dedicated right off the bat unless you're planning a massive launch and expect boatloads of traffic across multiple websites. In most cases, people start off with shared and move up to a VPS and/or Dedicated once they outgrow shared hosting.

          There is no specific variable that indicates you should switch. You can't just say that it's time to switch if you have 25k uniques per day. That's lies, if nothing else. The cut off for 'the switch' is when you believe your sites are not performing up to the mark, are slow/sluggish to load, don't generally work 24/7, and your host is bugging you day in and day out with 'excessive resource usage' despite promising 'unlimited space and bandwidth'.

          Depending on how good you are with servers, you can often get by with unmanaged and a control panel. You might do well with semi-managed or managed depending on how tech savvy you are with servers and how much of a hassle you're ready to take on.

          So, to answer your question as simply as I can, you need a VPS if you intend to host multiple websites that are going to be based on platforms that are resource intensive (Wordpress, for example, with multiple plugins) and attract a reasonable amount of traffic on a daily basis. You'll need a dedicated server when you outgrow a VPS with more sites of similar nature or when you need to place that one mission critical website on a server of its own without any other site sharing resources.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by alrikvincent View Post

      Well he can still be interested in unmanaged VPS because it is better, faster and 10 times more cheaper than shared hosting in places like HostGator and BlueHost
      So you're justifying the cost of a VPS vs using crappy overloaded shared hosting? The problem is with the host itself - upgrading to a VPS isn't the solution; finding a better host is the solution.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    If your site is in shared hosting account and your website get huge traffic and uses enormous amount of resources then you must have a VPS or Dedicated hosting as per your site requirements.
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  • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
    It's also about control, not just traffic. I can use:
    - whatever caches I want
    - whatever server settings I want
    - whatever email DNSBLs (blacklists) I want
    - increase security settings (disable FTP, use sFTP, for example)
    - etc.

    It's mine. I'm not buying a ticket to a theatre. I'm renting the whole theatre for myself.

    Hostgator = Bluehost = 50+ EIG brands = same host .You do not need a VPS, just because the hosts suck. Get a better host, not a VPS.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    An alternative: spend $300 or so, and set up another computer on which you just have the programs you use. Saves quite a bit of cash in the long run, it's totally yours and you can upgrade hardware etc as you see fit.
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    • Profile picture of the author mustbecrap
      I give up counting the number of hosting companies and various products I have gone through over the last 10 years...

      "Cloud Hosting" emmm... most of that can be sales talk, you will be surprised how many offer these types of products turn out to be shared packages...

      If you dont have the skills to manage your own server then a dedicated server will not be the way to go..

      I currently use Hawkhost as my core service provider for hosting.. I am not an affiliate or have anything to do with them, and only suggest you look at them as they offer a Semi Dedicated Plan. You are still sharing x amount with others, but the speed of sites (your hosting account) is dramatically different, and if your like me and you don't have the skills to manage your own server then this offers something that allows you to sleep at night..

      I have both a semi dedicated plan and a standard shared plan with hawkhost, and the difference between the two plans is exponential.. If you wanted to get away from a shared hosting arrangement, to enjoy more speed, then this could be what you might be looking for...



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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Mak
    you get a share hosting, once you expend to a level, then get a vps

    do not get a dedicated server without managed service, else you will get in big trouble when problem arise.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnnyG11k
    Good question...

    A VPS (virtual private server) mimics a dedicated server. DreamHost for example offers both VPS and dedicated servers. Use the first if your site gets more than 25k unique visitors a month and loads several PHP processes (particularly if you're using WordPress and many resource consuming plugins)

    Dedicated servers are for "specialists" who want to handle more complex processes and need more data, and receive millions of visitors a month.

    If you're a regular affiliate or marketer, you'll do well with mini sites or blogs which aren't getting a ton of visitors a day... for that, you need standard hosting. Not VPS, not dedicated.

    Hope it helps?
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    • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
      Originally Posted by JohnnyG11k View Post

      A VPS (virtual private server) mimics a dedicated server.
      Use the first if your site gets more than 25k unique visitors a month and loads several PHP processes (particularly if you're using WordPress and many resource consuming plugins)
      That's not really accurate. A VPS is still a type of shared hosting, but is a "virtual server". It usually has far less RAM than dedicated, and it has to share I/O and port speed. There's really no way to specify # of visitors easily, as it depends on the ratio of resources:traffic.

      Dedicated servers are for "specialists" who want to handle more complex processes and need more data, and receive millions of visitors a month.
      There's nothing "specialists" about this. It's not really that different from a VPS, except it doesn't share anything. In many ways, it's easier to handle than a VPS, save tmp folder permissions. Again, it has nothing to do with traffic #, but the ratio of resources:traffic. I doubt a single server could handle 1M visitors alone, especially if DB are involved. It's best to have separate servers.

      If you're a regular affiliate or marketer, you'll do well with mini sites or blogs which aren't getting a ton of visitors a day... for that, you need standard hosting. Not VPS, not dedicated.
      This part is true.

      And "standard" = shared, with a good provider (ie, NOT Hostgator, Bluehost, Godaddy, 1&1, etc -- those are crappy providers). The real problem is people that choose the wrong host, and thinking the only way to have better is to get a VPS. It's not true. You need a better hosts, not a VPS!

      Originally Posted by Andrew Mak View Post

      ydo not get a dedicated server without managed service, else you will get in big trouble when problem arise.
      If you're an admin (like I am), you don't necessarily need mgmt. But I often get it, to be "lazy" (too busy, need help). Or as an extra set of eyes/hands. Picking the right hosts is very important here!

      Originally Posted by lifetalk View Post

      WHM is a pretty good panel to have for people who are not very tech savvy but also don't want to pay extra for 24/7 management.
      It's good, period, tech savvy or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    GSA is the company. The software is Search Engine Ranker. Most for some reason just short-form it to GSA though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimbrown123
    It depends on what you required or according to your needs but i strongly recommend if you're going to choose VPS, then only only & only prefer Knownhost and you'll thank me for this decesion.
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    • Profile picture of the author lifetalk
      Originally Posted by kpmedia View Post

      It's good, period, tech savvy or not.
      In a manner of speaking, yes, it's good. I don't debate that. But if you're good with servers/linux and general management, you should be able to host sites fairly well without a control panel at all; save on an otherwise recurring cost. Or you can always opt for an alternative like Webmin; preferences matter.

      Originally Posted by gc3 View Post

      What would be a min. configuration to run a database incentive application like prosper 202? Would it be a good idea to run the tracking software on the same VPS as the sites yo are tracking (mainly wordpress)?




      thanks guys
      Depends; the questions you've asked me don't have a set answer to them, unfortunately. I took a quick look at the prosper app and apparently it tracks clicks for PPC marketers. It may or may not be database intensive depending on how many clicks/activity you're tracking on a daily basis and what kind of coding standards the software itself uses. How optimized their queries are, how optimized your installation of MySQL (or MariaDB as some prefer to use it over MySQL) is, etc.

      If you've got a particularly high powered VPS, for example, and average traffic websites then you might be able to host the sites and the tracking software on the same VPS, sure. If not, you might need more than one VPS to isolate the sites and tracking.

      So, let's assume you're going to use cPanel, a bunch (10 maybe?) of wordpress websites that receive average traffic (say, 10,000 uniques a day?) per day with some plugins and caching enabled. And you're looking to host the tracking software too on the same server.

      Now cPanel recommends a bare minimum of 512MB RAM on a VPS it's going to be installed on. Keeping the above hypothetical numbers in mind, you'd be looking at at least a 2GB RAM VPS (to allow for some growth room too) to host those 10 sites along with the tracking software.

      Remember, this is keeping in mind you've got caching turned on, your database installation is optimized, your web server is optimized, Prosper 202 uses optimized queries, so on and so forth. There's so many variables to 'deciding that perfect config' that you can't just do it right off the bat. If you're migrating from an existing setup that might help you get a better idea. But if this is your first time with a VPS, for example, than you'll get to a good config with a little trial and error.
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      • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
        Originally Posted by lifetalk View Post

        In a manner of speaking, yes, it's good. I don't debate that. But if you're good with servers/linux and general management, you should be able to host sites fairly well without a control panel at all; save on an otherwise recurring cost. Or you can always opt for an alternative like Webmin; preferences matter.
        Webmin isn't a panel. It's a GUI for editing conf files. Virtualmin GPL is the free panel.

        Sure, you can, but cPanel makes it easy. You'd have to spend a heck of a lot of time in SSH if you want to do it all manually. Even then, there are some things that simply cannot be done on their own. cPHulk, for example.

        I have ISPConfig, Plesk, and Virtualmin servers -- even panel-less servers. But cPanel is by far the easier to maintain. I'm more worried about time, not bragging about doing things the hard way.

        The tradeoff is it costs more ($10-30), needs more RAM (+512), and some things cannot be done (ex:Ruby). But for most sites, it's the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nuno
    Many people do the mistake of going with an unmanaged VPS or Dedicated when they have no idea how to manage it, usually ending up being hacked.

    You need at least to have the initial configuration and security hardening done by an expert... but I really advise going with a managed solution, I use many affordable providers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kingfish85
      Originally Posted by Nuno View Post

      Many people do the mistake of going with an unmanaged VPS or Dedicated when they have no idea how to manage it, usually ending up being hacked.

      You need at least to have the initial configuration and security hardening done by an expert... but I really advise going with a managed solution, I use many affordable providers.
      Completely agree. Most problems arise from not knowing how to do things, then, blaming the provider. If you're unsure of how to manage a server, "correctly", then you need to either use a managed solution of have a professional do it. Some companies however, don't manage anything past the initial setup - so make sure to ask questions first.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
        I use a VPS with KnownHost. I manage it with some help from them. It has proven its worth over and over again, doesn't go down like this summer when HostGator got blitzed. And they give great Christmas bonuses. Which I have to admit is pretty cool.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOlover
    It seems to me cloud hosting will be fine for you, the OP.
    I have seen some attractive offers from readymakers and servermania.
    Their prices are affordable and servers are stable.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Alan
    You can get managed VPS starting at around $50 from a lot of different providers. If your use to shared hosting on one of the big mass market hosts you will generally find a quicker load time for your sites, less down time and less hassle overall.
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    • Profile picture of the author kpmedia
      Originally Posted by Mark Alan View Post

      If your use to shared hosting on one of the big mass market hosts you will generally find a quicker load time for your sites, less down time and less hassle overall.
      No.

      If you mean big crappy hosts like:
      - 1&1
      - Godaddy
      - Dreamhost
      - Yahoo
      - the 50+ EIG brands (Hostgator, Bluehost, Justhost, Fatcow, etc etc)

      Again ... no.

      With those hosts, the sites are SLOWER and have lots of micro-downtimes all day long.
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    Like JMichaelZ said, Knownhost is one of the providers I use and advise.
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