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We recently made our product(s) available for affiliates for the first time a few weeks ago on Clickbank, which means we have zero gravity resulting in very little to no activity on affiliates creating hoplinks to sell our product(s). Have listed it in several affiliate directories, advertised it on some forums (including this one), started article marketing, doing SEO & SEM, Yahoo Answers, etc. and seeing almost no traffic. It's not like self-help products are in an unpopular niche and our website is much more thorough than others I've seen (in my opinion), so the age old question is how do I start getting people/affiliates engaged in what we have to offer? They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result. I sometimes feel that's where this is headed. Appreciate any non-sarcastic thoughts.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    Hi,

    Don't worry about the low gravity thing. Remember the 80/20 rule and it certainly applies to affiliates and sales. I very highly recommend you make your sales page and overall mindset attractive and affiliate-friendly. Of course I'm not suggesting the opposite.

    Eliminate all link-bleed from your sales page, for your product of course. No optin box or maybe even no affiliate click here link, etc. Have all the appropriate admin pages, as I'm sure you know.

    The thing about link-bleed and the optin is it hurts and helps defeat the efforts of competent affiliates who want to build their list. As I've read so many times, email marketing is more conducive to success with CB products.

    If you want to keep an optin in the copy, then provide affiliates with a page without the optin. Do the things that attract and help affiliates and that will help your efforts.

    Be responsive and available to affiliates if they contact you.

    Be willing to provide affiliates with a free copy of your product if they ask. Their marketing efforts will be better if they've read your product. I'm sure you know that.

    What I've suggested are primarily after-the-fact efforts. You need to first have affiliates become aware of your product. I understand.

    Well, you seem to imply your product is in the self help market. I would be interested in promoting self help products. I know others would. You could spend time discovering the more successful affiliates and then contact them. They are here.


    Ken
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  • Profile picture of the author Lynn Terry
    Hi Brett,

    You have to proactively seek out good affiliates for your product. Start by making a list of all the top blogs, podcasts, groups, forums, sites etc where you ideal buyers hang out and/or do their reading. Get actively engaged with those market leaders that are reaching your target market. Comment, contribute, share, link to, subscribe, etc - get a feel for them and for their readership.

    Once you've put in some groundwork, send them a copy of your product, with a personable note explaining why you think it would be a good fit for their readers, and that you're available to help out in any way if they'd like to recommend it (ie interviews, guest posts, bonuses, exclusive discounts, etc).
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
      Savvy affiliates don't rely strictly on gravity to determine if a product is worth promoting. There are some niches where the top-selling product has a gravity that's under 50... in some cases, I've seen products with gravities under 15 that were quietly pulling down six-figures per year for the product owner.

      I haven't looked at your site or your product but as a copywriter and info-marketer, I do have a good amount of experience on ClickBank products.

      Odds are, if affiliates aren't promoting your offer, it's because your offer isn't converting for them.

      Maybe it's the salesletter. I haven't looked at your site but that's frequently the #1 culprit for many products.

      Maybe it's the affiliate center... or the lack of one. The "done for you" resources you can provide for affiliates (articles, banner graphics, promtional emails, and so on) the easier it is for them to promote your product.

      Maybe it's the affiliate commission. What are the top selling products in your niche offering up? If you're offering 50% and they're offering 75% then I'm sorry to say that affiliates are going to be attracted to the better paying option for them.

      OTOs. If you don't have them and your competition does, then your affiliates will notice it in the CB dashboard stats and plan on promoting your competition instead.

      Hope that helps,

      Mike
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      • Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

        Odds are, if affiliates aren't promoting your offer, it's because your offer isn't converting for them.
        Not really.

        If affiliates aren't promoting, it's not because the offer isn't converting for them. It's because the offer (and the creator) is UNKNOWN to them. Chances are that affiliates won't even bother signing up for a product/vendor they're not familiar with.

        You have to get your own ball rolling, and little by little establish your first connections within your niche. No one is going to promote an anonymous offer/vendor.
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      • Profile picture of the author FeelGoodIQ
        Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys View Post

        Savvy affiliates don't rely strictly on gravity to determine if a product is worth promoting. There are some niches where the top-selling product has a gravity that's under 50... in some cases, I've seen products with gravities under 15 that were quietly pulling down six-figures per year for the product owner.

        I haven't looked at your site or your product but as a copywriter and info-marketer, I do have a good amount of experience on ClickBank products.

        Odds are, if affiliates aren't promoting your offer, it's because your offer isn't converting for them.

        Maybe it's the salesletter. I haven't looked at your site but that's frequently the #1 culprit for many products.

        Maybe it's the affiliate center... or the lack of one. The "done for you" resources you can provide for affiliates (articles, banner graphics, promtional emails, and so on) the easier it is for them to promote your product.

        Maybe it's the affiliate commission. What are the top selling products in your niche offering up? If you're offering 50% and they're offering 75% then I'm sorry to say that affiliates are going to be attracted to the better paying option for them.

        OTOs. If you don't have them and your competition does, then your affiliates will notice it in the CB dashboard stats and plan on promoting your competition instead.

        Hope that helps,

        Mike
        Thanks Mike. We have affiliate tools available on our website in terms of images, banners, keywords. We don't have a sales letter per se as you would see on other sites (where the site is just one long sales letter page). Ours is more of a fully fleshed out website with multiple pages that provide information on the programs, the science behind them, etc. We offer 50% commission to start on our product bundles which retail for $97. Reluctant to just raise our commission % without having any real data to know that this is a barrier. $45 to an affiliate on every sale we feel is pretty strong, but maybe we're wrong. Appreciate your thoughts and honest feedback.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeHumphreys
          Originally Posted by FeelGoodIQ View Post

          Thanks Mike. We have affiliate tools available on our website in terms of images, banners, keywords. We don't have a sales letter per se as you would see on other sites (where the site is just one long sales letter page). Ours is more of a fully fleshed out website with multiple pages that provide information on the programs, the science behind them, etc. We offer 50% commission to start on our product bundles which retail for $97. Reluctant to just raise our commission % without having any real data to know that this is a barrier. $45 to an affiliate on every sale we feel is pretty strong, but maybe we're wrong. Appreciate your thoughts and honest feedback.
          Okay, please take my advice and comments as constructive criticism.

          When I go to your website, I see a big problem for affiliates right away. You're offering 3-4 different programs on the same home page. There may be some cross-over between "sleep better", weight-loss, and self-help but it's not as large of a segment as each one individually. An affiliate may have a list in one of those niches... but all of them? Not as likely.

          For example, if an affiliate with a weight loss of 10,000 subscribers saw your offer... how would they present it to their list? A portion of their list probably has no interest in a self-help program. Another portion of their list may not have any interest in a sleep better program either. So right from the get-go, a savvy affiliate will look at your site and say that most of your site's offers won't be compatible with their list and they'll look for a different product that is more compatible with their list.

          It's not personal with affiliates... it's business and they want to maximize their EPC from every mail drop they do to any of their lists.

          Salesletter-wise... it's rarely a good idea to lead with the price unless it's some type of short-duration sale price with a firm deadline.

          Next, in several places on your website, you have an image of a blonde hair woman smiling with her arms crossed in front of her. Smiling is good... attractive model is also good... but arms crossed is not because subconsciously it tells the viewer to back off or keep their distance. You want prospects to feel warm and welcome to your site. You want to stay on the site and keep reading until they are ready to buy one of your products.

          Sleep better niche. It's been awhile since I've written copy for this niche but here's what I do remember. The buyers of these types of products are usually women 40+. The look of the page is male friendly and crowded... it needs a lot more white space and softer color pallette. Even in households where the man is having sleep issues, it's normally their wives who make the buying decision or push/prod/nag their husband into doing something about their sleep disorder.

          The copy is statistic-heavy which is a mistake. The person reading this doesn't care how many millions of people suffer from sleep disorders. They care about why THEY'RE not sleeping better. So tell them the benefits for them.

          Weight loss niche. I've written A LOT of copy for this niche. If you want to compete on ClickBank for weight loss, then 50% affiliate commission won't draw big affiliates. Not when almost the entire top 20-30 products in this niche are offering 75% commission.

          Weight loss niche has different hot buttons, problem areas, and buzz words for men than for women. Selling a weight loss product to both men and women from the same salesletter is much harder than talking to each gender separately.

          Your weight loss salesletter has no mention of money-back guarantee (a ClickBank requirement by the way). It does not connect with the pain points of the target market or use their specific buzz words. And leading with a series of questions at the beginning of a salesletter only works IF you are 100% sure you already know their answer and can script your reply immediately after answering the question. It has to be a narrow path with no wiggle room for alternate answers.

          Example (Yours): "Are you frustrated that you can't reduce your weight?"

          Realistic answer: 'No, I don't like how my body looks anymore.' OR 'No, I tried on my winter wardrobe from last year and now I can't fit into them anymore.' OR 'No, I'm thinking of getting this for my husband.'

          Narrow path question: "Do you want to get slimmer and trimmer?"

          Anyways, that's what I quickly picked up from your site. If I were handling this as a paid consult, I'd spend several hours going over everything with a virtual fine tooth comb.

          Hope that helps,

          Mike
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        • Profile picture of the author An Al
          Originally Posted by FeelGoodIQ View Post

          We offer 50% commission to start on our product bundles which retail for $97. Reluctant to just raise our commission % without having any real data to know that this is a barrier.
          So, you'd rather have 50% of nothing instead of 25% of something, lol?
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    • Profile picture of the author FeelGoodIQ
      Originally Posted by Lynn Terry View Post

      Hi Brett,

      You have to proactively seek out good affiliates for your product. Start by making a list of all the top blogs, podcasts, groups, forums, sites etc where you ideal buyers hang out and/or do their reading. Get actively engaged with those market leaders that are reaching your target market. Comment, contribute, share, link to, subscribe, etc - get a feel for them and for their readership.

      Once you've put in some groundwork, send them a copy of your product, with a personable note explaining why you think it would be a good fit for their readers, and that you're available to help out in any way if they'd like to recommend it (ie interviews, guest posts, bonuses, exclusive discounts, etc).
      Thanks Lynn for the response and your thoughts. Interestingly enough I came across your website the other day and signed up for your newsletter. Great source of info. Keep up the good work.
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      • Profile picture of the author Lynn Terry
        Originally Posted by FeelGoodIQ View Post

        Thanks Lynn for the response and your thoughts. Interestingly enough I came across your website the other day and signed up for your newsletter. Great source of info. Keep up the good work.
        Thank you!

        I am just launching a product myself and am going through this same process. I have detailed it out in a bullet point list in the case study link in my sig below that you may find helpful.
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve B
          Getting started, as others have mentioned, is the tough part. You'll gain some momentum once you get rolling.

          Besides the advice you've already received, I would just add that usually the best way to move off dead center is to go after one specific affiliate at a time.

          One way of doing that is to visit other sites in your niche that you wouldn't be competing with to see if your product complements and "adds to" what they are selling. Personal contact with the owner, with an offer to review your product first, is one way that can be successful.

          Offering more than 50% to get things going may be helpful. You don't have to stick with that amount for other affiliates.

          Also, offering pre-written sales copy (email offers) can be a bonus since most webmasters don't have a lot of time and you know the product better than anyone else.

          You might also visit some of the sites designed to introduce affiliates to offers - not that you have to advertise with them - but it will give you a clue about who the top affiliates are and the types of offers they like to see.

          Good luck to you,

          Steve
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          • Profile picture of the author FeelGoodIQ
            Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

            Getting started, as others have mentioned, is the tough part. You'll gain some momentum once you get rolling.

            Besides the advice you've already received, I would just add that usually the best way to move off dead center is to go after one specific affiliate at a time.

            One way of doing that is to visit other sites in your niche that you wouldn't be competing with to see if your product complements and "adds to" what they are selling. Personal contact with the owner, with an offer to review your product first, is one way that can be successful.

            Offering more than 50% to get things going may be helpful. You don't have to stick with that amount for other affiliates.

            Also, offering pre-written sales copy (email offers) can be a bonus since most webmasters don't have a lot of time and you know the product better than anyone else.

            You might also visit some of the sites designed to introduce affiliates to offers - not that you have to advertise with them - but it will give you a clue about who the top affiliates are and the types of offers they like to see.

            Good luck to you,

            Steve
            Thanks for the good advice, Steve. Much appreciated. I realize Internet marketing is the ultimate labor of love so to speak.
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  • Originally Posted by FeelGoodIQ View Post

    We recently made our product(s) available for affiliates for the first time a few weeks ago on Clickbank, which means we have zero gravity resulting in very little to no activity on affiliates. The age old question is how do I start getting people/affiliates engaged in what we have to offer?
    There is absolutely no other way around it: if you're new to the niche and you don't have affiliates, JVs or partners doing that initial promotion for you, you will have get the momentum going on your own. Once the product starts selling, and it's proving to convert well, low refund ratios, etc it will be MUCH easier to ask affiliates to jump on board. But, at the beginning, you have to find your own ways to do the promotion on your own.
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    Where is Alexa, she is the wiz about Clickbank? I would contact her. I am surprised she has not responded yet.
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