is anybody making money with Amazon Kindle books in 2013? Or is it too competitive for a novice??

by opb12
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Warriors, I just want to ask if there is anybody making money with Amazon Kindle books? I want to try the Kindle book program for myself but i think it is too competitive... I would love if someone could:

#1. Show me the way how they are making money with Amazon Kindle books.

#2. And if it isn't too much if they could give me a heads up as to which "Kindle niches" are competitive

#3. Or if you have like a REALLY GOOD guide or product that teaches how to successfully publish Kindle books...

If you DO know a GOOD product out there that you trust and recommend that i could purchase to learn how to successfully publish a Kindle book i would really appreciate if you actually give some great advice before you pitch me on the product. If your reply turns out to be of good value i could recommend the thread to my email list and readers... Thanks much
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    There is boatloads of information on this forum about all aspects of Kindle publishing. Use the search function and ask about specific topics or questions you have. It's all answered right here and you're as close as your fingertips.

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  • Profile picture of the author KateD
    Kindle is just the first step. If you can write, you can make money with Kindle, Nook, Apple iStore, print, etc.

    There's is plenty of opportunity. And the Warrior Forum is packed with useful information, both free and paid.

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    • Profile picture of the author Phoenix68
      Originally Posted by KateD View Post

      Kindle is just the first step. If you can write, you can make money with Kindle, Nook, Apple iStore, print, etc.

      There's is plenty of opportunity. And the Warrior Forum is packed with useful information, both free and paid.

      KateD

      So true - and great advice!
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Sandra, thanks for the links to those threads. Totally different tone from most of the ones I've checked out. People there would go dozens of posts arguing over arcana of craft, like whether adverbs were bad. Mention marketing or promotion and the silence was deafening.

        On one, even the "promotion" subforum was dominated by people asking which quick/easy/free site to submit their book to in one step so they didn't have to bother with "all that marketing stuff."

        I think I'll be hanging out more with people who understand that craft and promotion are like yin and yang...
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Sandra, thanks for the links to those threads. Totally different tone from most of the ones I've checked out. People there would go dozens of posts arguing over arcana of craft, like whether adverbs were bad. Mention marketing or promotion and the silence was deafening.

          On one, even the "promotion" subforum was dominated by people asking which quick/easy/free site to submit their book to in one step so they didn't have to bother with "all that marketing stuff."

          I think I'll be hanging out more with people who understand that craft and promotion are like yin and yang...
          Those are probably wannabies... professional writers know they have to sell to pay the bills (so they can afford to keep writing). Completely different mindset.

          Look at this woman:

          Amazon.com: Cheryl Kaye Tardif: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle

          She has a bunch of fiction books, but if you scroll down, you have one saying how she is making her money as a publisher (Amazon.com: How I Made Over $42,000 in 1 Month...Amazon.com: How I Made Over $42,000 in 1 Month... ). She put together her blog posts, and deleted them from her blog. Some are better than others, but she not only does it, she sells it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by opb12 View Post

    I want to try the Kindle book program for myself but i think it is too competitive...
    Instead of thinking like that, what if you thought, "Hmm...this field is competitive. There must be a lot of money in it."

    There is no competition in teaching fish to ride bicycles. Do you know why? Because there's no money in it. Little competition usually equates to little money. You could be the biggest fish in that little pond and you won't make any money at it.

    Might be something you want to think over carefully.
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    • Profile picture of the author pdrs
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post


      There is no competition in teaching fish to ride bicycles. Do you know why? Because there's no money in it.
      I dunno bout that... pretty sure if I could teach my fish to ride a bicycle I could make some money at it!
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      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      There is no competition in teaching fish to ride bicycles. Do you know why? Because there's no money in it.
      Dennis, are you quite sure?



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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      I've published two books in the last two months. I have another one ready to go. These are in a competitive market and both have made some money and I am going to be interviewed on the radio. Kindle has been a great thing for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rod Cortez
    If you're just starting out grab Geoff Shaw's Kindling course and join Bryan Kumar's Kindle Club. You won't need anything else to get you started except your brain and then start writing and most importantly, publish.

    Even if you plan on outsourcing I strongly recommend writing and publishing your own works at first so you can get a feel for the whole thing.

    Join the Kindle Boards forum at http://www.kboards.com/ and spend a few days in there.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
      Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

      If you're just starting out grab Geoff Shaw's Kindling course and join Bryan Kumar's Kindle Club. You won't need anything else to get you started except your brain and then start writing and most importantly, publish.

      Even if you plan on outsourcing I strongly recommend writing and publishing your own works at first so you can get a feel for the whole thing.

      Join the Kindle Boards forum at KBoards - Index and spend a few days in there.

      RoD

      I don't know Bryan's course, but Geoff's is how I got started. It is hands down one of the best things I have ever purchased. It has information o how to get started an dhow to scale. I know folks in that course who routinely sell, multiple 10' of thousands and hundreds of thousands of books in a month's time. On an ongoing basis.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Rod Cortez View Post

        Join the Kindle Boards forum at KBoards - Index and spend a few days in there.

        RoD
        Just be aware that there are a lot of folks on that board (and "writer's boards" in general) that are either clueless about, or openly hostile to, the idea of having to promote their timeless works of literature :rolleyes:. Add in the folks who are just naturally negative about the world in general, and you'll soon see that you have to be careful who you pay attention to.

        With that in mind, there is indeed a lot to be learned there.
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        • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          Just be aware that there are a lot of folks on that board (and "writer's boards" in general) that are either clueless about, or openly hostile to, the idea of having to promote their timeless works of literature :rolleyes:. Add in the folks who are just naturally negative about the world in general, and you'll soon see that you have to be careful who you pay attention to.

          With that in mind, there is indeed a lot to be learned there.
          I play a bit in MOA (Meet Our Authors, in Amazon). What I see there is that fiction writers do want to promote, but they do not know how to reach their audience, and some have issues to do the boring part of the job.

          But non of them are against promotion.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

            I play a bit in MOA (Meet Our Authors, in Amazon). What I see there is that fiction writers do want to promote, but they do not know how to reach their audience, and some have issues to do the boring part of the job.

            But non of them are against promotion.
            Sandra, I'm not going to disagree with you on that particular group. But there are a lot of groups out there that still advocate chasing the holy grail of finding an agent and a publisher, rather than "wasting your time on marketing"...:confused:

            I don't know many creative types that enjoy the boring part of the job, and I have no beef with authors that simply don't know how to promote. Ignorance can be cured; it's not terminal. I'm talking about the types that think "marketing" is a dirty word and somehow beneath them, yet declaring that any method other than an agent/publisher deal doesn't work.

            Maybe I just need to find some different groups...
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            • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Sandra, I'm not going to disagree with you on that particular group. But there are a lot of groups out there that still advocate chasing the holy grail of finding an agent and a publisher, rather than "wasting your time on marketing"...:confused:

              I don't know many creative types that enjoy the boring part of the job, and I have no beef with authors that simply don't know how to promote. Ignorance can be cured; it's not terminal. I'm talking about the types that think "marketing" is a dirty word and somehow beneath them, yet declaring that any method other than an agent/publisher deal doesn't work.

              Maybe I just need to find some different groups...
              John,

              Come over then...

              There are people going on and on against self-publishing, both as writers and as public, and they all have the same smell so to speak. One told me once that self published authors who had typos in the text, should be burn at the stake.

              To me it looks as if it were a marketing campaign to discourage self-publishing, makes sense?

              In MOA there are three or four threads with people who self publish, some are better known than others. They do share marketing advice, and help each other with promotion and advice. Most are not very good at marketing, but they try hard to get better.

              Here is something one of them published today:

              Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: The S.S. Wordsmyth on Ganymede! (Jupiter's Seventh Moon)

              Others just talk, but this guy is always doing business the right way.

              Beside this, today I traded a permanent link in a carousel for a tweet and a future blog post.

              I also fixed a cover for someone, no trade. The emboss just hurt my eyes and needed to do something about it.

              And a lot more is going on.

              Ahh... something else. Publishing companies make the authors promote their work now. Authors who do publish with third parties are around the forums selling their image. Look at this conversation I was having yesterday:

              Amazon.com: Customer Discussions: Marketing and Ebook Promotion Success

              This lady, Cynthia, can write, and she publishes with different groups. Look how she talks about promotion.
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              • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
                Originally Posted by raradra View Post

                I'm still making money on Kindle books. I have some fiction on there which does well but I also offer a couple self help books and some recipe books that are all doing fine in high competition areas. It does help if you have a good social media base in my opinion though.

                I think you still have time to run through the challenge before it closes for the year. This year was specifically about kindle books from start to finish. Really worth the look if you're new to self publishing. (Completely 100% free training course)

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                Thanks for mentioning the challenge... I thought about it but had no idea it was about Kindle. I watched the first few videos and they were all quite basic, and no mention of Kindle...


                About self publishing and marketing...

                I published a book (of poetry) with a 3rd party publisher. They did expect me to do almost all of the marketing, yet the royalties would just be paid once a year. I couldn't figure out how to make the numbers work - i.e., spending time and money on marketing while waiting till many months for the money to come back in? Uhm.... oh, and the royalties were 10% of their NET profits! I.e., pennies.

                I think self-publishing is a much better deal. You get paid in a more timely manner and you get the bulk of the profits. And if you get 70%, it'll be worth your while to promote it too.
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  • Profile picture of the author raradra
    I'm still making money on Kindle books. I have some fiction on there which does well but I also offer a couple self help books and some recipe books that are all doing fine in high competition areas. It does help if you have a good social media base in my opinion though.

    I think you still have time to run through the challenge before it closes for the year. This year was specifically about kindle books from start to finish. Really worth the look if you're new to self publishing. (Completely 100% free training course)

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    • Profile picture of the author WillMitchell
      Originally Posted by raradra View Post

      I'm still making money on Kindle books. I have some fiction on there which does well but I also offer a couple self help books and some recipe books that are all doing fine in high competition areas. It does help if you have a good social media base in my opinion though.

      I think you still have time to run through the challenge before it closes for the year. This year was specifically about kindle books from start to finish. Really worth the look if you're new to self publishing. (Completely 100% free training course)

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      Thank you so much - this is an awesome resource! Seriously, I've been looking into Kindle ebooks lately and this is definitely going to help me fill in the gaps.

      As for the OP, the biggest thing I've learned during researching my first ebook is that Kindle is still an open platform right now, even though it might seem overcrowded.

      You have to remember that Amazon is the 11th most popular website in the world; they get an unfathomable amount of traffic. Numbers higher than you can count. And they only continue getting more traffic every year.

      As long as Amazon keeps growing, Kindle will keep growing. The question is, how do you stand out?

      From what I can tell, the get best way to guarantee that your Kindle eBook will be successful is to provide immense value. If you're not a great writer, invest in an editor to polish your work. Ideally, your readers are thinking to themselves, "Wow, I just can't put this down. It's just too good!"

      That means providing high quality information in an entertaining format if you're writing nonfiction, and creating incredibly engaging characters if you're writing fiction.

      Thanks to everybody in this thread - really helpful.

      - Will
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  • Profile picture of the author richrowley
    Im still making money with Kindle and other ebook stores that I'm published on via Smashwords.

    Its totally available for you to profit with as long as you just do it. Oh and if one book doesnt work out, just move on!
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  • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
    Originally Posted by opb12 View Post


    #3. Or if you have like a REALLY GOOD guide or product that teaches how to successfully publish Kindle books...

    If you DO know a GOOD product out there that you trust and recommend that i could purchase to learn how to successfully publish a Kindle book i would really appreciate if you actually give some great advice before you pitch me on the product. If your reply turns out to be of good value i could recommend the thread to my email list and readers... Thanks much
    Yes it is an awesome platform!
    And it is very inexpensive to get started.
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  • Profile picture of the author andrewm
    @opb12,

    Kindle appears to be a good platform for publishing. I just recently published my first book on kindle about two weeks ago and already had about 4 sales and 1 in an area called kindle direct publishing. Even though the amounts received are small at this time, I know that if I scale up a little I can achieve more.

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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Yes people still make money with kindle publishing, but as you said the competition is tough, so you have to come up with a better plan and strategies to succeed in 2013.
    goodluck.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gerard Evans
      I've had books published in physical form by reasonably big companies and I can say without doubt that those books are seeing big rises in their Kindle sales now.

      Kindle can only keep getting bigger as long as Amazon stick with it and, as has been said, it's a massive market with highly-targeted visitors already primed to buy from a site they implicitly trust.

      Thousands of people are making great money with Kindle and you can be one of them if you arm yourself with the correct knowledge and apply yourself.

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author benzwm02
    Yes, lots of people make money from kindle. Just go to Amazon=>Kindle, and type in the book rank number at Kindle Sales Rank Calculator - Ranking Your Kindle Book Sales and you can see how many books roughly that author is selling.

    If you mean uploading worthless garbage like PLR content and scraped recipes like most WF courses teach, then no. That doesn't work anymore. You will have to actually write a real book, or hire an excellent outsourcer to see results now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    Yes, I'm currently making money with Kindle books.

    By saying it is too competitive you are psyching yourself out before you even stick a toe in the water. Guess what? Selling books is extremely competitive. Just like everything else. I mean selling pizza is competitive.

    If you really are interested in the Kindle opportunity then change your mentality.

    Research everything there is to know about it first. Then tell yourself that you are going to do everything in your power to be successful at it.

    It really doesn't matter how much money others are making with Kindle. All that matters is how much do YOU intend to make?

    Go all in or don't leave the starting gate.

    That's my 2 cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    I used a method which claimed to tell you about a niche which would sell well as Kindle, but it doesn't work in practice. That niche was recipes. The advantage was that no-one can copyright a recipe, so you can basically just copy someone else's. However, writing a Kindle book is the easy part, actually having any sales is not so easy.

    I have been making money for years from various IM methods, so I am someone who succeeds given a genuine method

    Hope this info helps you, at least knowing what NOT to do

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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by Chris- View Post

      I used a method which claimed to tell you about a niche which would sell well as Kindle, but it doesn't work in practice. That niche was recipes. The advantage was that no-one can copyright a recipe, so you can basically just copy someone else's. However, writing a Kindle book is the easy part, actually having any sales is not so easy.

      I have been making money for years from various IM methods, so I am someone who succeeds given a genuine method

      Hope this info helps you, at least knowing what NOT to do

      Chris
      Like in every niche with a lot of competition, you need an angle, a unique proposition.

      Just to copy the recipes doesn´t do it, because they are all over the place.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    Yes indeed. Although the course said I could, I didn't copy the recipes, I combined 2 or more versions of each recipe, adding some historical and interesting info as well. So my 3 Ebooks were unique and interesting, and on much-searched-for topics, etc etc. and still sales didn't happen

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by Chris- View Post

      Yes indeed. Although the course said I could, I didn't copy the recipes, I combined 2 or more versions of each recipe, adding some historical and interesting info as well. So my 3 Ebooks were unique and interesting, and on much-searched-for topics, etc etc. and still sales didn't happen

      Chris
      Ahh I don´t know. I don´t play in that niche. I do want to sometime. But will probably do step by step with images, and regional cuisine, or some other subniche.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    Yes, I have only one book on kindle which is related to IM and everyday it brings in not less than 10 sales for $3 hands free for the past 4 months.

    Martin Kerrigan has a good book on how to make a killing from kindle and it's worth getting a copy.

    There are tons of niches you can write on but as far as book writing is concern, writing a novel or fascinating story is one biggest way to go without looking back.

    It doesn't really matter if the niche is competitive or saturated. Once you publish a good book it sells itself.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      Yes, I have only one book on kindle which is related to IM and everyday it brings in not less than 10 sales for $3 hands free for the past 4 months.

      Martin Kerrigan has a good book on how to make a killing from kindle and it's worth getting a copy.

      There are tons of niches you can write on but as far as book writing is concern, writing a novel or fascinating story is one biggest way to go without looking back.

      It doesn't really matter if the niche is competitive or saturated. Once you publish a good book it sells itself.
      Non fiction is easier to sell than fiction. Once you make a name, it is all good. But the positioning as a fiction writer takes some muscle.
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    • Profile picture of the author Liesel
      Originally Posted by johnben1444 View Post

      Once you publish a good book it sells itself.
      Very true.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Originally Posted by opb12 View Post

    Warriors, I just want to ask if there is anybody making money with Amazon Kindle books? I want to try the Kindle book program for myself but i think it is too competitive... I would love if someone could:

    #1. Show me the way how they are making money with Amazon Kindle books.

    #2. And if it isn't too much if they could give me a heads up as to which "Kindle niches" are competitive

    #3. Or if you have like a REALLY GOOD guide or product that teaches how to successfully publish Kindle books...

    If you DO know a GOOD product out there that you trust and recommend that i could purchase to learn how to successfully publish a Kindle book i would really appreciate if you actually give some great advice before you pitch me on the product. If your reply turns out to be of good value i could recommend the thread to my email list and readers... Thanks much
    You are right. There is fierce competition in Kindle. There are excellent authors there.

    Most people are making money with fiction, but...

    You have to be a good writer; or better saying excellent.

    Take a look at what one writer told me - besides many other writers in a long thread, I didn't post the entire thread:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...on-kindle.html

    You can also make money with nonfiction, which is easier for beginners who have no literary talent and ignore a lot about writing.

    I believe you will find all the information you need about this matter here:

    http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...wants-one.html

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  • Profile picture of the author sweetcrabhoney18
    Love kindle. As a ghost writer -- my money comes from my clients who want to get into the kindle field and those that have been doing it for awhile. Worth the time if you can commit to it.
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  • I am making some income on Kindle, but not the kind of income I am with other things. But I haven't put near as much into it as I thought I was going to at the time. It's fairly steady, but it's small unless you plan to release a lot of little books.

    Don't forget about Barnes and Noble and Smashwords distribution. I don't know if anyone has mentioned that or not, but it definitely helps. Smashwords is probably about 25% or so of my publishing income.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Rosmer
    I'm presently learning about Kindle so I'm not the person to ask about that field but I can speak a little to book publishing even in competitive spaces. First, a good book doesn't sell itself...until someone reads it, the challenge is getting them to read it so they are sold on it then getting it out there in the way that the readers will sell it. Writing a good book helps sell it because it helps get people who read it to sell it for you with reviews and recommendations, but alone it is not enough.

    I know someone whose company has sold over 25 million cookbooks (not Kindle but actual hard cover), it's a large successful business for them. Can you create success in the cookbook space? Of course, because there are lots of buyers and yes there is a lot of noise as well, but yet cookbooks keep selling. They arguably didn't break through the crowds because their recipes or even the cookbooks themselves are so much better than others, they are ok obviously to be that successful, but they aren't that much better than the other cookbooks out there. Instead, they found a way to market and build a brand that people trusted and they could snowball with time so now they are one of the go to sources for cookbooks.

    Write great books, the best in their field, then market hard to get people to read them, then write others just as good or ideally better as sequels and prequels. Harry Potter wouldn't have been that successful if it was just one book, it was the release of one after another that allowed it to snowball.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    With Kindle ebooks, it really is a numbers game. Not every book will be a success. I can tell you from my own experience that what seems to sell very well fall into 2 areas:

    1) 20-30 page "how to"/ informational books. These are not hard to come up with as you just need to do some basic "how to" keyword research as well as look at informational marketplaces like Clickbank.

    AND

    2) 20-30 page overview on personalities and news events that have trended extremely well recently on Google or Twitter. You have to be able to move quickly on a hot trend but you can often produce an ebook that people will eat up.
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