best emailing services that do not require opt-in

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ariseo Solutions

Title says it all ...

To you, perhaps. Not to me. I read the title and the OP a couple of times but I still don't understand exactly what you're asking.

If you really mean that they didn't opt in ... there are no legitimate and safe autoresponder services that don't require an opt-in. The sending out of bulk email is a permission-based form of marketing, regulated by laws, ethics and practicalities, too: if the people on the list haven't opted in, no service will knowingly let you use their facilities for emailing them. And the reasons they won't are the very same reasons that you shouldn't email them yourself using a self-hosted autoresponder, because if you do that, it will be your own domain-registrar, hosting company and internet service provider who may pull the plug on you if/when the recipients hit the "spam" button in their email client software. It's not worth the risk for a list of people who didn't even opt in, 4 years ago: it has no value.

If you mean that they did originally opt in, and you want to change autoresponder companies and you don't want them to have to opt in again ... that's a slightly different question, and you have more options (although the value of the list may still be highly questionable, after so much time). If you can prove that they opted in, and that you're the person to whose list they opted in, you could ask GetResponse if they're willing to test a proportion of the list on your behalf, to decide whether or not they'll let you use their facilities to mail the list without starting with a re-opt-in. It's a service they sometimes offer. (If they do that, and still decline to let you use their service for the list without a re-opt-in request, then you should take your cue from that decision and not try to email them yourself with any more than a re-opt-in request.)

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Michael Shook

11 years ago

The big A/R firms require you to send a re-optin email in effect making you start from scratch. If your list likes you, you will keep some, if the decide that its time to change, there is not much you can do about it.

If you are going to keep a good percentage of them, you could consider giving them something cool of high perceived value when they sign up to the new list.

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JimDucharme

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JMichaelZ

The big A/R firms require you to send a re-optin email in effect making you start from scratch. If your list likes you, you will keep some, if the decide that its time to change, there is not much you can do about it.

Hi,

Actually, it's very easy to request that GetResponse waive the confirmation (re-optin) email process. Compliance will waive the confirmation requirement if they find no issues with the list. If you have questions, just drop our support team a note or call us.

Regards,
jim

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Thohir Wijaya

11 years ago

GetResponse is my best choice. GetResponse also allow you to turn on/off the opt-in requirement.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Thohir Wijaya

GetResponse also allow you to turn on/off the opt-in requirement.

You're thinking of turning on/off the "opt-in confirmation requirement", I think, Thohir: that's true of many autoresponders, but it's rather a different point from what's being discussed in thread, which relates to importing lists.

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Jerry Higgins

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

You're thinking of turning on/off the "opt-in confirmation requirement", I think, Thothir: that's true of many autoresponders, but it's rather a different point from what's being discussed in thread, which relates to importing lists.

Yeah Alexa, it sounds to me like Ariseo is referring to importing his current list (that has previously opted-in?) to an new 3rd party autoresponder service which won't require them to re-opt-in.

If I were you Ariseo, I would just call around and ask the different AR companies what their exact policies are for what you want to do.

Also, you may want to consider a self hosting solution. It's a whole new ball game now with the SMTP relay servers now available such as Amazon SES, SendGrid, Mailjet, SMTP.com, etc.

I've been researching this option lately and have a couple of self hosted autoresponders set-up for testing purposes. It's not a solution for everyone, but if you don't mind popping the hood and getting your hands a little dirty with installation and configuration, it's a way to have complete control of your most valuable business asset, your list.

You also have control over your sending reputation, deliverability, single or double optin, importing of lists as well as having a much better chance of your messages avoiding the Gmail promotions tab.

Just some thoughts....

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clever7

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

You're thinking of turning on/off the "opt-in confirmation requirement", I think, Thothir: that's true of many autoresponders, but it's rather a different point from what's being discussed in thread, which relates to importing lists.

Alexa, in a previous thread you had mentioned that Aweber is now accepting single opt-in:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-pls-help.html

I was even thinking about using this option, but I didn't have time to care about this matter yet.

Doesn't it mean that Aweber is following GetResponse's style?

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Alexa Smith

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by clever7

Alexa, in a previous thread you had mentioned that Aweber is now accepting single opt-in

As far as I'm aware, they always have done. ("As far as I'm aware" dates back only to 2008, but they certainly have since then).

Aweber and GetResponse and many other autoresponder companies give their clients the choice of using either single or confirmed opt-in. Most of the successful marketers I know here, with whom I've discussed it, use single opt-in (and a great many of them use either Aweber or GetResponse).

In my opinion, most of the arguments commonly adduced here in favor of confirmed opt-in are mistaken, fallacious and misguided.

There are also one or two potential, relative advantages of using opt-in confirmation, but they're almost never the ones people allege.

This thread is worth a good look: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8554418

Originally Posted by clever7

Doesn't it mean that Aweber is following GetResponse’s style?

I don't know: I thought that both companies had always allowed single opt-in lists to be built with their facilities, but I may be wrong about this. I know for sure that both do now, though. Switching to single opt-in was very beneficial for me.

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Jerry Higgins

11 years ago

I don't know: I thought that both companies had always allowed single opt-in lists to be built with their facilities, but I may be wrong about this. I know for sure that both do now, though. Switching to single opt-in was very beneficial for me.

When I was with Aweber, which was a few years ago, choosing the double-optin feature would automatically disable single-optin permanently (at least on my account). I suppose you could call them to get it enabled again or.... just create a new account and make sure you leave the settings at single-optin.

I'm thinking AW has become more lenient with this practice lately in order to compete with the likes of GR and Office Auto Pilot (and OAP's poor step-sister, Sendpepper).

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Coach Comeback

11 years ago

I just started using getresponse too and I was able to move all my lists, as well as new ones, without a re optin. Plus I do a ton of personal coaching so I needed to input people manually and they do not need to confirm that either.

You can also import your email contacts. Bonus!

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Matt Lee

11 years ago

I didn't know that GetResponse allows you to import your list without re-opting in. That's good to know.

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11 years ago

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A S M

11 years ago

Sorry for the late response .. .and yes .. we already have a list of around 64k contacts that we gradually collected over a time period of 4 years. We made the mistake of leaving our provider because of a more cost efficient solution and we got screwed over because they required to send an opt-in to all contacts before sending our mail.

Thank you all for your support.. i guess ill take a look at getresponse but what is this single opt in and confirmed opt in ?

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Alexa Smith Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ariseo Solutions

what is this single opt in and confirmed opt in ?

It's not what you originally asked about, at all - it was just a "digression" started by someone who misunderstood slightly.

Here's a quick overview (it's not quite as simple as this - I'm simplifying it a little, here) ...

Single Opt-in: someone puts their email address in the box and clicks the button that says "submit", or "join", or "subscribe", or whatever, and that's it - they're on your list and receive your initial automated email and all the rest of the series without needing to do anything else.

Confirmed Opt-in: someone does the above and receives (instead of that) an email containing a link for them to click on, thereby confirming that their email address is correct and that they want to subscribe (or they can paste that link into their browser instead, if they can't click it for some reason), and until they do that, they're not on your list and they don't receive anything else at all.

This thread is worth a good look, for more details: double or single opt-in?

Originally Posted by Ariseo Solutions

i guess ill take a look at getresponse

I think that's probably a very good idea.
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