help: getting fired from corp job

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Hey guys!
long story short, I have a remote manager that she doesn't really like me for some unknown reason, and she's trying to manage me out. she sent this email saying that my job is jeopardy and she;s flying out to my city to meet with me on Monday of next week.... I work for a BIG software company (MS) as a project manager, and my life has been hell for the past year or so.
I honestly don't want to jump into another corporate job to have similar experience. but I have to make money since i just bought a house :/


I need some pointers guys to how to make an online business, I don't mind the hard work as long as I know what I need to do to get there. I am passionate about IT, Photography and Fitness ( I compete in the NPC mens Physique shows).

any pointers on where to start?

sorry if I sounded negative on my write up.

life is still great :-)

cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Andyhenry
    Sorry to hear your situation.

    You might find this thread useful: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html

    I know you might not qualify as desperate but there's a lot of good advice in that thread you may benefit from.

    Don't expect to just get started and make great money - it takes time like starting any business, so I would advise you to seriously consider your employment options and consider the IM as a backup plan rather than hope for success with no other income.

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    • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
      Thank you Andy.

      Originally Posted by Andyhenry View Post

      Sorry to hear your situation.

      You might find this thread useful: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...desperate.html

      I know you might not qualify as desperate but there's a lot of good advice in that thread you may benefit from.

      Don't expect to just get started and make great money - it takes time like starting any business, so I would advise you to seriously consider your employment options and consider the IM as a backup plan rather than hope for success with no other income.

      Andy
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Originally Posted by AdilPhotography View Post

    I honestly don't want to jump into another corporate job to have similar experience. but I have to make money since i just bought a house :/
    And that's the problem ^^^...
    It may take months even years to get to the stage where you are earning enough online to pay your bills.
    Do you really want that kind of stress?
    IMO the best way to jump into this is to keep working, earning enough to pay your bills until you are earning enough money with your online business to quit your job...
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    • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
      Amen to that


      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      And that's the problem ^^^...
      It may take months even years to get to the stage where you are earning enough online to pay your bills.
      Do you really want that kind of stress?
      IMO the best way to jump into this is to keep working, earning enough to pay your bills until you are earning enough money with your online business to quit your job...
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    • Profile picture of the author Jtraits
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      It may take months even years to get to the stage where you are earning enough online to pay your bills.
      Do you really want that kind of stress?
      IMO the best way to jump into this is to keep working, earning enough to pay your bills until you are earning enough money with your online business to quit your job...
      This ... Just give base and attention to what you are doing now ... do not play the man and say "i will step my foot" and bla bla bla .. i don't know the situation in your country but where i am, we are looking for any job just to pay the basic bills... make the IM a backup / secondary job for now ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    Originally Posted by AdilPhotography View Post

    I need some pointers guys to how to make an online business, I don't mind the hard work as long as I know what I need to do to get there. I am passionate about IT, Photography and Fitness ( I compete in the NPC mens Physique shows).
    Definitely start to get more immediate income in place. Your IT and photography skills will translate into great services that you can freelance. I STRONGLY suggest that you offer your skills to the marketplace FIRST and then during your free time, work on an internet marketing business model. Focus on the cash flow first and then the long-term business!
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    • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
      Thanks Michael, I am a professional photographer as well, that plan is to do that and grow it., I was an after hour and a weekend warrior for 2 years and built a good referral base.
      the issue with photography is if you shoot you eat if you don't you are screwed, we are coming into the slow season and it's scary


      Originally Posted by Michael Franklin View Post

      Definitely start to get more immediate income in place. Your IT and photography skills will translate into great services that you can freelance. I STRONGLY suggest that you offer your skills to the marketplace FIRST and then during your free time, work on an internet marketing business model. Focus on the cash flow first and then the long-term business!
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  • Profile picture of the author jaytheanalyst
    I'm sorry to hear that. I also see that you have a goldmine inside of you.

    Utilize those skills man. You could do software/hardware support for people.

    You can be a fitness trainer and develop some clientele.

    You can also link up with photographers or join a modeling agency.

    You can start 3 different blogs talking about these crafts. While blogging you can promote whatever product that is with your niches. Sounds like you're in a great position to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Not So New
    This may not seem like it now, but this could be a blessing in disguise.

    Sounds like you didn't like your job for the past year anyways and hopefully you will get some sort of package.

    That being said, maybe try offering your skills on contract or freelance where you could pick and choose your projects.

    Then work on some internet marketing stuff on the side

    Hope this helps

    Shawn
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      my life has been hell for the past year or so.
      You believe the person coming to see you doesn't LIKE you - maybe the person doesn't like the work you've done or perhaps the "my-life-is-hell" attitude is showing in your work relationships.
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      • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
        You know, I'm one of the most positive people around at work, everyone hates and everyone is putting on a face. I do feel I am overworked, 13-14 hours a day on salary. people are getting fired left and right lately there. so the morale is really low....

        Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

        You believe the person coming to see you doesn't LIKE you - maybe the person doesn't like the work you've done or perhaps the "my-life-is-hell" attitude is showing in your work relationships.
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        • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
          Originally Posted by AdilPhotography View Post

          You know, I'm one of the most positive people around at work, everyone hates and everyone is putting on a face. I do feel I am overworked, 13-14 hours a day on salary. people are getting fired left and right lately there. so the morale is really low....
          Let me get this straight, you work for Microsoft (?!?!!?) and you really hate your work and you're unhappy and everyone "hates and is putting on a face"? I am kind of stunned since I didn't consider working for MS "bad" in the slightest..wonder whether you tell us the entire story here...
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          • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
            Not sure why would tell you otherwise? why would I gain for telling you that....YES, the company culture has shifted dramaticly....very bad! we got this new/old stack ranking model in our reviews, 1-5 a 5 has to get fired no matter what, I encourage you to read this :
            How Microsoft Lost Its Mojo: Steve Ballmer and Corporate America&rsquo;s Most Spectacular Decline | Vanity Fair

            working at MS used to be good and fun....not anymore, things has changed, Ballmer was asked to retired, Gates is getting pushed to step down, everyone is either getting fired left and right.....the morale is really low... anyway, I am not her convince you that working at MS is bad, mybe I am not a fit....who knows.
            thanks.

            Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

            Let me get this straight, you work for Microsoft (?!?!!?) and you really hate your work and you're unhappy and everyone "hates and is putting on a face"? I am kind of stunned since I didn't consider working for MS "bad" in the slightest..wonder whether you tell us the entire story here...
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      I hope you are able to resolve your employment situation. Andy (above) and others have given you some good advice. Above all, try to find employment that will pay your bills and don't rely on the fact that you can just start an online business quickly that will take care of your financial needs.

      There is a learning curve to Internet marketing. Some learn quickly, others struggle with this business model for many years without making any appreciable income.

      Because the barriers to entry (into IM) are so low (almost non-existent) many people come into this arena because they mistakenly believe that it's a way to leave their boss and all the corporate worries behind. Who doesn't want to work their own hours, get paid for what they produce, and be accountable to no one?

      Unfortunately, many don't consider the fact that Internet marketing is no different than any other profession or career - it often requires diligent study, lots of late night hours, loads of discipline, on-the-job experience, and continual preparation prior to a student becoming a successful professional. The money rarely runs deep or constant in the beginning.

      I would never try to talk anyone out of an Internet marketing career. But I feel it is important to enter with your eyes wide open. This is a brutal marketplace for newcomers who get carried away with all the hype and fast money talk from unscrupulous marketers.

      The very best to you,

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      • Profile picture of the author agmccall
        First off, I would get a Lawyer

        If you received an email stating your job was in jeopardy that is a threat, and that can be a form of harassment,

        I do not know if it would stop the firing process but it would sure slow it down until you can get something going

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        • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
          Thanks a lot, yea I have a meeting with HR tomorrow and see how that goes. thinking about getting equal employment opportunity commission involved as I don't think it's fair.
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        • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
          Thanks a lot guys, I will to try to take your pointers and find something to do. at the end of the day, I am a hard worker and I will find away to make living for sure. All I need is help from this community to join the wagon of successful online business people.
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      • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
        Thanks Steve,

        I don't believe in easy money or easy entry to anything, in fact i never had it easy in my life, I moved to the states without a dime, and worked my way to get couple of degrees ( working on third one now MBA) and landing a job in couple of fortune 500 in the past 7 years I have been in the country. so i do believe hard work is needed and i have issues doing it and struggle, learn, fail ....etc part of life that;s for sure. what I don't want is to make this transition and be all over the place, wasting time and energy, that's the reason I am asking for pointers and help from you guys

        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        I hope you are able to resolve your employment situation. Andy (above) and others have given you some good advice. Above all, try to find employment that will pay your bills and don't rely on the fact that you can just start an online business quickly that will take care of your financial needs.

        There is a learning curve to Internet marketing. Some learn quickly, others struggle with this business model for many years without making any appreciable income.

        Because the barriers to entry (into IM) are so low (almost non-existent) many people come into this arena because they mistakenly believe that it's a way to leave their boss and all the corporate worries behind. Who doesn't want to work their own hours, get paid for what they produce, and be accountable to no one?

        Unfortunately, many don't consider the fact that Internet marketing is no different than any other profession or career - it often requires diligent study, lots of late night hours, loads of discipline, on-the-job experience, and continual preparation prior to a student becoming a successful professional. The money rarely runs deep or constant in the beginning.

        I would never try to talk anyone out of an Internet marketing career. But I feel it is important to enter with your eyes wide open. This is a brutal marketplace for newcomers who get carried away with all the hype and fast money talk from unscrupulous marketers.

        The very best to you,

        Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
      Thanks Shawn, yes you are right, the job description didn't do it any justice, ,a new manager who had no managerial experience, (she was like me, and got promoted to a people manager) and trying to play tuf. also we had a remote relationship so wasn't the best.

      Originally Posted by Not So New View Post

      This may not seem like it now, but this could be a blessing in disguise.

      Sounds like you didn't like your job for the past year anyways and hopefully you will get some sort of package.

      That being said, maybe try offering your skills on contract or freelance where you could pick and choose your projects.

      Then work on some internet marketing stuff on the side

      Hope this helps

      Shawn
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Sorry about your situation. We all could give you some simple pointers that could make you $2,000 a month (or even $3,000), but would you perceive the simple pointers as things that are "too easy" and "too simple" to work?

    If you have the motivation (and money) to take action, hire a consultant. You can learn as you go if you hire a good one and do what they tell you to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author dsouravs
    wow... MS...
    you know ASP.net or VB.net coding...
    you can offer coding services

    Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    If you just bought a house, have a family and don't have a couple of years backup savings, you'd best replace the job you may lose and fast. Internet marketing could take you years to be successful, if you actually ever are. Many people aren't.
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    • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
      Yea, I have a backup plan, the worst case scenario, I will go drive a cab, I don't have any issues getting down and dirty to get my bills paid.

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      If you just bought a house, have a family and don't have a couple of years backup savings, you'd best replace the job you may lose and fast. Internet marketing could take you years to be successful, if you actually ever are. Many people aren't.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by AdilPhotography View Post

        Yea, I have a backup plan, the worst case scenario, I will go drive a cab, I don't have any issues getting down and dirty to get my bills paid.
        That's a good attitude to have, as you may need to take something to keep your bills paid until you find something more permanent. You could build or have a Facebook page designed for your Photography so that you have something to show prospects for photographic jobs. You'd still have to do something regular while building on any type of self employment job, but it could be worth it in the long run.
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        • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
          Thanks Mate,

          I did get fired today, I think it was a relief more than anything else.



          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          That's a good attitude to have, as you may need to take something to keep your bills paid until you find something more permanent. You could build or have a Facebook page designed for your Photography so that you have something to show prospects for photographic jobs. You'd still have to do something regular while building on any type of self employment job, but it could be worth it in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Can you use your skills to set up an offline business? Personal training springs to mind here...something using your existing skills...either set up one on your own or find a job using those skills while you work in an online business after hours. That's the only way to earn decent money until your online business grows (IF it grows.)
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    • Profile picture of the author honestim
      Steps I would follow

      1) Find a job first
      2) Ensure bills are paid and life is on track
      3) Use your passion and expertise to sell services while still retaining your job
      4) Build up a corpus
      5) If the service is earning you diversify and consider getting out of your crappy job

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    • Profile picture of the author AdilPhotography
      MY friend and I are thinking about starting a IT consulting services plus I am a professional photographer, so I think we can make it work. I just want to get involved in the online business model .

      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      Can you use your skills to set up an offline business? Personal training springs to mind here...something using your existing skills...either set up one on your own or find a job using those skills while you work in an online business after hours. That's the only way to earn decent money until your online business grows (IF it grows.)
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    I would start look for a new job now. Find out what skills are in demand right away. Also, perhaps you can use your IT skills to help you. Find out what skills small start ups might need assistance in. Contact them and be willing to relocate as they probably will be far from your current space.

    Internet marketing basically is selling products or services. Find out if selling is the right fit for you. Get a job at your local dealership selling used cars. Most people hate selling, as it involves getting a lot of rejection, but that might not be your case.

    If you want to continue programming... Look at new areas. 3D printing is hot right now. Also, so is creating apps. There are many more. Look at small companies. Most firms typically have a lot of potential in new areas. First learn to swim. Do not jump into the ocean. Otherwise, the sharks will eat you up.
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    Sell the house, buy a car, live at Starbucks with free wifi. The only way to go.

    JK.

    Just read through the forum. Use the search option. There's tons and tons and tons of great info available!

    JR John, fellow newb
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    If you are a project manager, good at that, and enjoy it, then why not continue to do that for yourself . . . quickly test some IM methods, then outsource all the work and upscale effectively.

    That means you need to focus on IM methods which can be effectively upscaled and outsourced, so nothing which involves selling your own time for money. But luckily, most IM methods are suitable for outsourcing and upscaling, if you do it carefully . . . test everything, don't assume anything unless you've done it for yourself, in practice

    Affiliate marketing is one of the obvious IM methods where you could test a method, then project-manage the outsourcing and upscaling. Amazon is the obvious choice to start (although there are lots of other great affiliate programs too), because it has a lot of significant advantages . . . write honest product-reports summarizing what real buyers have experienced, and you'll make money. Keep asking about how to learn more and improve your results, then test outsourcing.

    Outsourcing can work very well if done carefully. I find it best to break down a job into the smallest possible tasks, so each task can be outsourced to the most appropriate worker, and checked properly as it is done, so mistakes don't effect other stages of the job. Data-entry can be done for about 20 cents an hour, writing for under $10 an hour. I like Fixed-price jobs on oDesk, because then I only pay once I am fully satisfied with the work, and knowing the attitudes of people in 3rd world countries, I'd rather pay them for work-done, than for the time taken! Anyway, all that is probably obvious to you, as you are already involved in project management.

    A lot can be automated these days, including most data-processing. Again, you probably know this, being a programming project-manager . . . so a lot of what you need to be doing, to test methods, and check outsourcing and scaling-up, you are already familiar with.

    If you want lots of good free IM methods, join the War Room (for a one-time payment, then you get tons of info free). Most people say pick one method and do only that until it is very successful. I say the exact opposite, because most IM "methods" you can buy, don't actually work as specified, you need to learn as quick as you can, and I find that best done by learning a whole bunch of different methods . . . while none of them might work as specified, you'll learn a few things from each, and combine what works, think for yourself, and you'll at some point know enough to make a profit.

    So that's my advice, hope it works well for you!

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    • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
      My guess is that your manager finds you a threat. It's quite common and is usually an attitude taken by managers who are managing people who are either more intelligent than they are and/or better at their jobs. She doesn't want you to show her up as inadequate.
      Originally Posted by AdilPhotography View Post

      MY friend and I are thinking about starting a IT consulting services plus I am a professional photographer, so I think we can make it work. I just want to get involved in the online business model .
      With professional photography skills you could design high end websites.
      Originally Posted by AdilPhotography View Post

      Yea, I have a backup plan, the worst case scenario, I will go drive a cab, I don't have any issues getting down and dirty to get my bills paid.
      I like your attitude. Believe it or not, when I was well enough to do it, I've packed boxes and done filing as temp jobs. A job is a job in these hard times. Somehow I think you will do really well. Get started on the side before you have to bail from your job - or start looking for another then build up your own business til it's at the point when you can give up being employed.
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  • Profile picture of the author RestlessBlaze
    I will strongly suggest you to find another job. Trust me IM world is more difficult than your corporate job. You got to study a lot and you have to study business as whole. Every year, whole wave of newbies come and make this even more difficult for newbies.

    1) what are you key skills?

    2) what problem you can solve?

    3) Cn you find clients for yourself? where are those clients located in virtual world?

    4) Canyou target those clients?

    5) Do you have self discipline?

    6) Can you accept rejection for first 30-40 applications?

    7) Can you work alone? I see you use to work as remote manager, so i dont think you will face this issue. But, working alone is difficult.

    However, you should get another job. Than, answer all the questions i have listed above. Sometime, i believe this whole IM world is like holllywood movie stars life. It looks so glamorous from outside, but when you get inside, you feel how boring and unglamorous this whole world is!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author EllenMoore
    Originally Posted by AdilPhotography View Post

    Hey guys!
    long story short, I have a remote manager that she doesn't really like me for some unknown reason, and she's trying to manage me out. she sent this email saying that my job is jeopardy and she;s flying out to my city to meet with me on Monday of next week.... I work for a BIG software company (MS) as a project manager, and my life has been hell for the past year or so.
    I honestly don't want to jump into another corporate job to have similar experience. but I have to make money since i just bought a house :/


    I need some pointers guys to how to make an online business, I don't mind the hard work as long as I know what I need to do to get there. I am passionate about IT, Photography and Fitness ( I compete in the NPC mens Physique shows).

    any pointers on where to start?

    sorry if I sounded negative on my write up.

    life is still great :-)

    cheers
    Does passionate mean also good at it? Because if you are into IT, you could offer your services to individuals and small companies in your area. Local SEO is easy, and you probably have a list of potential clients.
    If you are into fitness and you look really well, you can create your own Clikbank product or promote one as an affiliate using your own photos and "story" to sell it.
    You could do it part time and only give up your corporate job when it starts paying off.
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  • Profile picture of the author adelewilliams
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    You should apply for another job. Go somewhere else, where someone can really appreciate you. If you are hard working, at least you should be respected for what you do. Best of luck!
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    • Profile picture of the author igorGriffiths
      My brother got let go from his radio installation and rental company many years ago, as an onsite technician he was one of those closest to the customer. Thus he used that to his advantage setup his own company and took the customers he had the best relationship with from his former employee.

      In short, as a a project manager alongside the many other skills you list in your question, you should consider what freedoms you now have to serve those that know and trust you better. You are now unshackled from a company that quite clearly was not a good fit for you.

      As others have said forget the tales of overnight online riches because the night they speak of for the majority lasted several months if not years!
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      • Profile picture of the author JanePlaten
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        You might need to invest more time than you expect and, since you are in need of money, I recommend getting another job anyway, while trying to get something started online.
        Otherwise, find a niche. This is the first and most important step.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slickity
    It takes time to build a business online. Unless you have a great idea or product and the capital to fund it. If your a programmer work a deal with a company for sweat equity or something plus salary.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedark
    This was suggested in previous threads, but I want to encourage you to do it. Instead of getting another corporate job that will get the life out of you, try to offer your services as a freelancer.

    Go to elance.com or freelancer.com and start NOW. You will find offers that you can do so you can earn enough to pay the mortgage. I never considered freelancing as a job but it was a good source of pocket money back in high school or college. During the college I was also employed part time and was able to double the part time income from freelancing working only 2 hours a day during weekdays. Working for MS is a great for your resume.

    When you are a freelancer you can work as much as you want to pay your mortgage, and have enough free time to invest into your IM career.
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