Building A Relationship In The MMO Niche?

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Ok, I have no clue how to build a relationship in the MMO niche... so I need your help!

Some of the problems I face:

Usually when I build a list I provide people with solutions to some of their problems. However, in the MMO niche the problem is... Well, I can show them how to make $200+ every single day in like one email, but what then? Should I keep mailing them with methods I know or what?

It basically boils done to the following, I have no idea how I can provide value to these guys:confused:

Any form of help is much appreciated!
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Serpentis View Post

    Building A Relationship In The MMO Niche?
    MMO is not a niche: it's a market, and one of the biggest there is.

    Originally Posted by Serpentis View Post

    I have no idea how I can provide value to these guys
    Just a question, and please don't take it the wrong way, but are you sure this is the right market for you?

    I ask partly because so many try it, and it has such a huge failure-rate, and the reasons for that are all-too-apparent - it seems to me that venturing into the MMO markets at all is such a profound way of stacking the deck against oneself, for so many reasons, that I'm honestly struggling a little to imagine how someone with "no idea how to provide value" can hope to get very far.
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    • Profile picture of the author Serpentis
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      MMO is not a niche: it's a market, and one of the biggest there is.



      Just a question, and please don't take it the wrong way, but are you sure this is the right market for you?

      I ask partly because so many try it, and it has such a huge failure-rate, and the reasons for that are all-too-apparent - it seems to me that venturing into the MMO markets at all is such a profound way of stacking the deck against oneself, for so many reasons, that I'm honestly struggling a little to imagine how someone with "no idea how to provide value" can hope to get very far.
      Seems like I didnĀ“t make myself clear... of course I know how to provide value! But I am unsure how to tackle it... If I teach them exactly what they want to know, there would be no need to purchase anything! So I need to find a way to provide "value" without to much real value
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      • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
        Originally Posted by Serpentis View Post

        So I need to find a way to provide "value" without to much real value
        Looks like you got it all wrong.

        You have to provide value. real value. always.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      MMO is not a niche: it's a market, and one of the biggest there is.



      Just a question, and please don't take it the wrong way, but are you sure this is the right market for you?

      I ask partly because so many try it, and it has such a huge failure-rate, and the reasons for that are all-too-apparent - it seems to me that venturing into the MMO markets at all is such a profound way of stacking the deck against oneself, for so many reasons, that I'm honestly struggling a little to imagine how someone with "no idea how to provide value" can hope to get very far.
      Lexy just nailed it again..

      As for me, i see you on the route to failure.

      The MMO market is saturated, competitive to the neck, requires lots of skills, unrealistic, scammy and spamming..

      I implore you horn your skills before venturing into MMO market.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nate A
    Building a relationship is a courtship just like a relationship between 2 people. Sure, you could have a 1-night stand, but then you both might end up feeling dirty afterwards...

    Use stories, personal experience, "this is how i did it, or when I was where you are, this is what I had to do". Share valuable information tied to YOU personally. You aren't a vending machine dispensing information, you are supposed to be an expert, a trusted advisor, and they should like you.

    The question is not how to build a relationship with a list. You need to get 1 PERSON to know, like, and trust you X however many people are on your list.
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by Nate A View Post

      Building a relationship is a courtship just like a relationship between 2 people. Sure, you could have a 1-night stand, but then you both might end up feeling dirty afterwards...

      Use stories, personal experience, "this is how i did it, or when I was where you are, this is what I had to do". Share valuable information tied to YOU personally. You aren't a vending machine dispensing information, you are supposed to be an expert, a trusted advisor, and they should like you.

      The question is not how to build a relationship with a list. You need to get 1 PERSON to know, like, and trust you X however many people are on your list.
      If I am reading this right, I, you, show them how I am doing on a continuous basis?. EG. tell them stories about how this or that went when I did it.

      There is always value in a I forget the word, but the step by step of how I did something and how it worked out.

      Within which, I can introduce new tools I purchased or otherwise got, with an affiliate link for them to purchase it. there is always new tools, procedures to operate with. And thus comes the revenue.

      Did I get that right?
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      • Profile picture of the author Nate A
        Originally Posted by timpears View Post

        If I am reading this right, I, you, show them how I am doing on a continuous basis?. EG. tell them stories about how this or that went when I did it.

        There is always value in a I forget the word, but the step by step of how I did something and how it worked out.

        Within which, I can introduce new tools I purchased or otherwise got, with an affiliate link for them to purchase it. there is always new tools, procedures to operate with. And thus comes the revenue.

        Did I get that right?
        That's one way to do it. Which is kind of my point.

        I guess a more straightforward way to put it is by including elements of your personality within your copy.

        Frank Kern is really good at that. Is he a salesman? Absolutely, but people also really like him. The way he does it is by using his "cool guy" persona and injecting bits of humor in it.

        But the example you gave, is a great way to do it. "Check out what I did, I'll show you step by step, and oh by the way, if you liked that, here is where you can get more, or this is the tool I used to get X results."

        I think the important distinction is to keep it relevant as well, and make it about THEM and not you. Should you email your list and say "oh my dog is sick and my left me blah blah blah..."

        NO, nobody cares about that crap.

        But you can tell personal stories that make a connection to your reader.

        Hope that clarifies.

        Good luck.
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        • Profile picture of the author LilBlackDress
          Another thing to think about is who is buying what.

          I have found it easier to sell to people who are trying to mmo and have some idea of what they are doing over rank newcomers. BUT I won't sell mmo products that promise and don't deliver which is where some people are making their money in this niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    hmmmmmm.........beware of "theory" or people that think something i the only way to do it...

    i know what o.p i getting at.

    You shouldn't keep giving them them method, etc...


    update them o your methods.....

    method a mad $690,0000,00000 last week,

    method b made $2 last week

    etc....we aren't in the entertainment business!!!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    yeah like actually making them money instead of some B*S* story....

    Looks like you got it all wrong.

    You have to provide value. real value. always.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    look at tv ads...the stuff makes you cringe...big money here
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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    I've never seen an MMO-type build a relationship yet...

    Generally their emails are along the lines of 'WE ARE SLAUGHTERING IT' and 'this guy is the REAL DEAL.'
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    > MMO is not a niche: it's a market, and one of the biggest there is.

    Actually, it is a big market. But it's not a gigantic one. In my list of 100 top forums, it barely features.

    Please keep things in perspective!
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I dont focus on relationships and i get good results from my email list. Just deliver excellent content. That relationship will start to build once they're looking forward to your next email - to get your tone and style, and info that you have to give.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Jones
    Money talks. If you make money for people, you'll have a relationship with them. Why worry?
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  • Profile picture of the author Horny Devil
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    What a crazy contradictory post and I'm surprised no-one else has picked up on it. First you say . . .

    Originally Posted by Serpentis View Post

    Ok, I have no clue how to build a relationship in the MMO niche... so I need your help!
    Then you chime in with . . .

    Originally Posted by Serpentis View Post

    Well, I can show them how to make $200+ every single day in like one email, but what then? Should I keep mailing them with methods I know or what?
    I would think your relationship with them is well and truly cemented if you've genuinely shown them how to earn $200+ per day. What further value do you feel you need to offer? There are no follow-ups. It's simply build on what you've taught them. And even though it's not a fortune to many, I'm sure there are thousands who'd bite your hand off right now for a steady income of that level.

    What are you griping about? Something unfortunately doesn't ring true here.
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