Making 30 Second Clips of Songs

15 years ago

Audacity is a good, easy-to-use, and free audio editing program. I've used it mostly to make my own ring tones from mp3s but it would be perfect for what you mentioned, as well.

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dvduval

15 years ago

Originally Posted by orangefrog

Audacity is a good, easy-to-use, and free audio editing program. I've used it mostly to make my own ring tones from mp3s but it would be perfect for what you mentioned, as well.

Would I have to process each song manually?
Or could I do a whole folder at once?

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orangefrog 15 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

Would I have to process each song manually?
Or could I do a whole folder at once?

I'm pretty sure that could be done, I've never actually done it myself, though.
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Hereandthere

15 years ago

I don't think copyright laws let you use 30 seconds of *copyrighted* music, but I could be wrong. Anyone know for sure?

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BrianMcLeod

15 years ago

U.S. Copyright Office

Read the FAQ section. Very simple and easy to understand, and not a bunch of confusing legalese.

And no, you can't just snip 30 seconds of someone else's music and use it.

Hope this helps.
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dvduval

15 years ago

Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod

U.S. Copyright Office

Read the FAQ section. Very simple and easy to understand, and not a bunch of confusing legalese.

And no, you can't just snip 30 seconds of someone else's music and use it.

Hope this helps.
Brian

In my specific case, I should be okay, and the industry (ballroom dance) seems to do this as a standard, but thanks for this info. Do you have a deeper link that talks specifically about clips?

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BrianMcLeod

15 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

In my specific case, I should be okay, and the industry (ballroom dance) seems to do this as a standard, but thanks for this info. Do you have a deeper link that talks specifically about clips?

U.S. Copyright Office - Fair Use

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Darth Executor 15 years ago

Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod

U.S. Copyright Office

Read the FAQ section. Very simple and easy to understand, and not a bunch of confusing legalese.

"How do I protect my sighting of Elvis?"

LMAO, I can't believe that's actually in the FAQ.
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dvduval

15 years ago

If you look at a site like Amazon they seem to have the 30 second clips. In my case, I will also be helping to sell the works. So now I still need help finding a tool to automate the task for producing the 30 second clips. Any ideas?

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Mark Riddle

15 years ago

DVDuval,

You do NOT have permission to use 30 second clips of any copyright music.
You do NOT have permission to the performance rights to any 30 second clip of any song.
You do NOT have permission to use 30 second clips of any lyrics of any song.

Amazon requires a performance and licensing rights agreement for all music on their site.

You will have to do the same to comply with the law and licensing agreements.

There are music tracks, and songs where the writers give permission to use royalty free (that doesn't not automatically mean the songs are free)

Stick with royalty free music, and podsafe music and follow the commercial use guidelines.

Mark Riddle

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Kay King

15 years ago

You can't use a site like Amazon to decide whether you can do something - they are in a different league than average marketers and you don't know what permissions they have in place or rights they pay for.

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dvduval

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Kay King

You can't use a site like Amazon to decide whether you can do something - they are in a different league than average marketers and you don't know what permissions they have in place or rights they pay for.

kay

This may be true, but sites in the ballroom dance industry are doing it without any issues, and I'm positive they did not purchase rights.

I just want a good tool to produce the clips.

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Frank Donovan 15 years ago

Okay. The OP seems happy to disregard the advice others have given about using copyrighted clips without permission.

For anyone else reading this thread, please be aware that the statement in the OP about some supposed 30 second rule is false.

Sites such as Amazon and quite probably the other sites referred to in the OP's industry, will have complied with copyright legislation and obtained the relevant mechanical licenses.

If you use copyrighted music on your sites without permission, you are risking legal action.

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Jerry Reeder

15 years ago

You have to pay for the rights to use a song.

There are ways to do it cheaper like getting
some bar band to record the clip. That way
you only have to pay mechanical reproducation
rights.

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Kurt

15 years ago

Depends what format the videos are in...If they are mp3, try: mp3splitterjoiner_pro

It will do what you need, other than give you legal rights.

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LB

15 years ago

This poster literally is begging to jump in the shark tank...there seems to be nothing you can do to stop them.

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Mark Riddle

15 years ago

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Industry insiders were exposed for their total lack of understanding of even the most basic agreements shared by entertainment colleagues.

SAG, AFTRA, SESAC, ASCAP, gave testimonies in today proceedings in front of the Copyright Arbitration Royalty Panel, or CARP, and CRB of the Library of Congress.

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Although a complete description has not be released of the findings, There is an overall agreement to several points, the committee will release the full report to congress in the morning, swift review and approval are expected.

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Ball room dancing and dancers must relinquish their memberships in any of the performance or royalty organization recognized in the United States of America.

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dvduval

15 years ago

I don't think you get it. I would be helping to sell ballroom music from a couple of companies that want me to help them sell the music. Sorry that you guys are making assumptions about my intentions that just aren't true. I hope I have made myself clear enough now. I just wanted to ask for an automated way to make 30 second clips, okay?

(The 30 second clip seems to be a standard when allowing for previews, and as I said, in the ballroom industry, there are multiple labels that both use this standard, and also allow other sites to sell as a drop shipper or affiliate, and those sites use the clips and clearly with the knowledge of the label. Get it now?)

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Frank Donovan 15 years ago

Originally Posted by dvduval

I don't think you get it.

At the risk of prolonging a futile argument, here's what you don't get.

- Ballroom music is not excluded from copyright legislation.

- What you think you see others doing (whether they are or not) never really works well as a legal defense.

- The labels' and even the artists' wishes and blessings are immaterial. At best, a label may only waive the mechanical rights (i.e. those contained in the recording of the music).

- Whoever owns the publishing rights will need to give permission for the use of any piece of music which is still in copyright. By right, the publishers are due a payment for all public performances of music under their control. There are industry bodies charged with collecting this via license issue.

- When HMV or any other music retailer, for instance, use an excerpt of a song to advertise a CD, they have to pay a public performance fee even though they're helping to promote sales of that CD. The artist and the label have nothing to do with it.

- The advice given in this thread has moved on from trying to convince you. You do what you want. But others reading this should be aware that your assumptions are incorrect and, if followed, risk landing the perpetrators in a heap of trouble.

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dvduval

15 years ago

Ok, well in my case, I am dealing with a couple of well known labels in the ballroom industry who wanted some help with marketing. It is true that I did not understand this was a point of contention among others, though as I stated, in my case this will not be an issue, as I am preparing a marketing strategy for the labels who asked me for help. I'm not even sure I want to help anymore after seeing how difficult people can be as witnessed in this thread, yet it is so easy to listen to anything you want anytime you want on sites like imeem and last.fm. Even on youtube, you can search for virtually any song and be guaranteed that you will be able to listen to it on the youtube site. Then when is comes to helping market labels who are explicitly asking for help, I get this. Oh well, thanks for your advice. It was more than I needed, but I understand your points.

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Mark Riddle

15 years ago

Dvduval,

The short answer is the A&R rep provides them to you.

Its not up to you to select what cuts and portions they feel is their best hooks.

That's part of what A & R does.

Mark Riddle

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