Refunds and Friendly Fraud: Solutions

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Friendly Fraud: With the intention of getting something for free, someone buys a product, asks for a refund and gets the product for free.

I know, having a guarantee increases sales. And if one has a no questions asked guarantee on their sales page, they should refund for even the lamest reasons. The merchant got it coming.

But what is the percentage of refunds that are due to friendly fraud (customer wanted your product free in the first place), and which are legit refunds (those where the product was not up to standard)?

I would hazard a guess that at least half of refunds are due to friendly fraud and the other half are genuine.

It will probably be hard to do a study on this, even a survey will probably be skewed because most will say the product wasn't good enough when in reality they just wanted it for free.

Probable Solution: Don't offer a no questions asked guarantee, offer a guarantee based on results (ie If you use our product for a year and can provide proof that you tried it and didn't succeed, I will refund you every penny!). This will quite likely reduce the amount of fraudulent refunds that you get hit by.

Fabian
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  • Profile picture of the author charlesburke
    In my own experience, I get about a 2% refund rate, and while it's impossible to say for sure, just judging from the tone of the requests, I'd say it's about 50-50, as you suggested.

    To offer a guarantee or not - that can be a bit tricky.

    Some marketers refuse all refund requests, but if you're selling through Clickbank, that's not an option. A guarantee is part of their terms of service. Also, if customers buy with a credit card, they usually have the option to request a chargeback in the worst case.

    But if you're selling an intangible product (or service) via Paypal, you may be able to pull it off in most cases.

    However, let me share with you my own thoughts about what you call Friendly Fraud, and others have termed "serial refunders" or "professional refunders."

    I write in the self help, motivation and confidence area. If somebody feels that they're such a loser that they have to steal just to try and catch up even with others, then I figure they can read my book a thousand times, but with their mindset, they won't ever get it. In other words, they simply can NOT steal from me. They might have gotten the words, and they may have read them. But they won't get the understanding and the skills until they do a complete turnaround and stop feeling a necessity to steal.

    So frankly, I no longer concern myself with the matter. Somebody asks for a refund. Fine - I send them the money along with my well wishes for a better life than they have now.

    Fred Gleeck takes an interesting approach on this topic. He KNOWS people are going to pass his ebooks around or otherwise abuse the buyer relationship. So instead of fighting human nature, he has figured out a way to benefit from it. He simply includes lots of bonus download offers and upsells in his books. But the reader must be "registered" to take advantage of them. Even if they didn't pay, he still gets them on his lists for future mailings.

    I kinda like that. Don't fight 'em - just set things up so you win anyway.

    Cheers from warm and smiling Thailand,
    Charles
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  • Profile picture of the author BillOliver
    Jay Abraham says the longer, the more specific, the more risky the guarantee, then the more sales you'll get.

    Brad Sugars says: If your gurantee doesn't scare the pants off you, it's not good enough!

    Assuming your product is genuine, forget about 'friendly fraud', just apply risk reversal until you are shaking in your boots; THEN you'll see the sales pouring in.

    Bil (& Jay & Brad, &......)
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    • Profile picture of the author Stefan Vee
      Originally Posted by BillOliver View Post

      Brad Sugars says: If your guarantee doesn't scare the pants off you, it's not good enough!

      Bil (& Jay & Brad, &......)
      I like that one!
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  • Profile picture of the author LB
    Really, who cares?

    It's one of those things that can never be proven and the scammers will ask for a refund even if you don't offer one, and then a chargeback failing that.

    I only look at refunds when I see the number of them climbing above acceptable levels.

    Go make some money.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brad Gosse
    Don't focus on this. You can't prevent or stop it. Some people are conditioned to do this.

    The only way to cut it back is sending a physical product to make them return. Very few go to the effort.

    Focus your time on selling the 99% who buy and don't refund.
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnny Slater
      Originally Posted by billyboy View Post

      Still makes no difference. Papyal ALWAYS offer the "fraudster" a refund. "not as described" is all that is needed.
      This is not true. PayPal does not always give the refund. It all depends on how you word things when dealing with a dispute.

      PayPal does not refund digital products, they specifically put in their terms that digital products are not covered by their protection rules.

      If you get a refund request for a digital product you need to make sure that you put in writing, through the process PayPal makes available between buyer and seller, that the product is a digital one and not covered under their buyer protection policy.

      Every time I have had a refund request any reason when I didn't offer a refund I clearly stated that it was digital product and the customer had to agree to my terms of service, knew I had a no refund policy before purchase, and I had the customers IP address proving that the customer did in fact access my download page. I have won every refund request and every dispute filed against me but 2. One was for a PayPal dispute before I knew how to word things, and the other was for a chargeback before I knew what to do.
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      • Profile picture of the author ostrich99
        I beleive the guarantee gets me many more sales than it creates an out for people who always intend to request a refund.

        I can usually tell based on the refund request if they ever really intended to keep it or not.

        Our niche has an extremely low refund rate of about 0.3%

        I'd say about 2/3rds of the requests for refund are probably people who always intended to request a refund.

        We've had some request a refund and then explain it was a good product, but not exactly what they were looking for. Those to me are legitimate refunds.

        I always weight the effort (and cost) to try to prevent refunds (or Piracy for that matter) vs the possible effect on legitmate customers and the benefit.

        Usually I come to the conclusion that it isn't worth the time or efffort to protect against immediate refunders and piracy, as those that do that generally wouldn't pay for it it anyways. And the risk of ticking off a bunch of legitimate paying or potential customers just doesn't make it worth it.

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