Regret getting thesis theme

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I really regret getting thesis theme. Wish I had done a little research. Past refund period. :0(
Anyone else feel this way? Wish I'd gone with genesis instead.
#regret #theme #thesis
  • Profile picture of the author ElijahM
    Every theme has its good points and bad points. I haven't used one yet that I didn't have to heavily customize.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    I love Thesis, I think they are one the best themes out there if not the best, Thesis 1.85 that is. I think they dropped the ball with Thesis 2.0, it is to difficult to understand. Most people don't know anything about html or tags, that is why they use Wordpress.

    Thesis 2.0 may be a great theme for coders, but to the average Joe, it is a mess. I'm pretty sure when they were coding it, they forgot about the average person.

    I still use Thesis 1.85 and would pay $164 or what ever it cost me, all over again just for Thesis 1.85

    I really think they dropped the ball with 2.0 I'm not saying it is bad or anything, but it is not user friendly to the average marketer.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnTheJock
      I was tossing up between Thesis and Genesis some time ago. I went with Genesis and it's superb
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    • Profile picture of the author metalmania
      Yes thesis 2 is what I mean. I'm not a programmer, if I was I might think differently.
      I spent 4 12 hour days trying to learn 2, just to have something up that seems to constantly break.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by metalmania View Post

        Yes thesis 2 is what I mean. I'm not a programmer, if I was I might think differently.
        I spent 4 12 hour days trying to learn 2, just to have something up that seems to constantly break.
        Just stick with Thesis 1.85 for now, save yourself the headaches
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    • Profile picture of the author NathanCee
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      I love Thesis, I think they are one the best themes out there if not the best, Thesis 1.85 that is. I think they dropped the ball with Thesis 2.0, it is to difficult to understand. Most people don't know anything about html or tags, that is why they use Wordpress.

      Thesis 2.0 may be a great theme for coders, but to the average Joe, it is a mess. I'm pretty sure when they were coding it, they forgot about the average person.

      I still use Thesis 1.85 and would pay $164 or what ever it cost me, all over again just for Thesis 1.85

      I really think they dropped the ball with 2.0 I'm not saying it is bad or anything, but it is not user friendly to the average marketer.
      I totally agree with you alex.

      Most coders would prefer to use thesis because of its capability to extend more on customization. Genesis is good for non coders because you don't have to learn any codes to make it look good.

      I would say they are both excellent themes but may differ on a case to case basis.
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  • I have used the thesis theme and I like it a lot. It is very flexible. You just have to get the hang of using it. Haven't tried the Genesis theme yet though so I can't compare and contrast. But I just looked at the Genesis and I think I like Thesis more.

    You can do almost anything with the thesis framework.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    I use it on my blog. Learning curve involved but it's been ok for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Headway Theme - Can't be easier, basically just drag and drop with super customization options...
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    • Profile picture of the author metalmania
      I should prob switch to 1.85, but the thought of learning it after having spent so much time trying to learn 2 is daunting.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by metalmania View Post

        I should prob switch to 1.85, but the thought of learning it after having spent so much time trying to learn 2 is daunting.
        Stick with 1.85 for now, and on your free time, study up on 2.0, it is not time wasted
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  • Profile picture of the author pdrs
    Don't give up on 2 !

    You may need to go do a bit of refreshing on how CSS/HTML work and you'll be good to go. Then it's all about the hooks man! Once you figure out how to use Hooks you're golden. They have a really great support forum too.

    You basically need to have a good grasp of the following things.

    What an HTML container is and how you can give it a class or an id

    how to address a container with Basic CSS - width,height,background-color etc...

    How float:left and float:right work and how to do a 'clear' afterwards

    How to use the Google Dev Tools so you can make changes to the css and see them in real-time before you update the css of the theme

    And how the skin editor positions html containers

    If you understand those 5 things, it's the most powerful way I've ever seen in a theme to manipulate the layout and styling with exact precision.

    Once you're good on that figure out how to use hooks - it's only 2 lines of php that is already included, and you can put anything, anywhere.

    I know it's a bit of a pain, but keep at it and you'll be very happy you did.
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    • Profile picture of the author metalmania
      Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

      Don't give up on 2 !

      You may need to go do a bit of refreshing on how CSS/HTML work and you'll be good to go. Then it's all about the hooks man! Once you figure out how to use Hooks you're golden. They have a really great support forum too.

      You basically need to have a good grasp of the following things.

      What an HTML container is and how you can give it a class or an id

      how to address a container with Basic CSS - width,height,background-color etc...

      How float:left and float:right work and how to do a 'clear' afterwards

      How to use the Google Dev Tools so you can make changes to the css and see them in real-time before you update the css of the theme

      And how the skin editor positions html containers

      If you understand those 5 things, it's the most powerful way I've ever seen in a theme to manipulate the layout and styling with exact precision.

      Once you're good on that figure out how to use hooks - it's only 2 lines of php that is already included, and you can put anything, anywhere.

      I know it's a bit of a pain, but keep at it and you'll be very happy you did.
      2 doesn't use hooks I thought.
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      • Profile picture of the author pdrs
        Originally Posted by metalmania View Post

        2 doesn't use hooks I thought.
        Yep it sure does, except they're even better because you can add your own hook to any container anywhere, unlike 1.85 where there was predefined hooks.
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I have both Thesis 2.0 and Genesis. I much prefer Genesis, but then StudioPress was my first premium theme buy so I'm probably a little biased.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    Thesis is awesome because:

    1.) The support forums are phenomenal! They will help you with any question that you have.

    2.) The "push button" customizable stuff makes life so easy.

    3.) Any and all customizable stuff is written into one single file - custom_functions.php
    or simply the custom.css file...depending on if it's CSS or php code that you're looking to do.


    It really is a great theme! If you are not usin their support forums, I highly suggest that you do. They answered every single question that I ever had.
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  • Profile picture of the author metalmania
    Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

    What is the problem you faced with Thesis?
    1: the huge learning curve
    2: no real documentation for 2
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Wells
    I'm sure pleased I read this thread as I was thinking of a new theme myself and had Genesis and Thesis as my top 2....

    Think I need to looking in to this a bit more first
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      I have a strong personal preference for Genesis. It's much easier to learn and use, in my opinion, and the support is great if you need it. In addition, there are a lot of very nice child themes that are very professional looking. I've been using Genesis for a number of years.

      Good luck with whatever you choose.

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    • Profile picture of the author metalmania
      Originally Posted by Barry Wells View Post

      I'm sure pleased I read this thread as I was thinking of a new theme myself and had Genesis and Thesis as my top 2....

      Think I need to looking in to this a bit more first
      Barry, yes really look into it carefully, and google thesis review. Personally had I known what I know now, I would not have gotten it. Again I'm not a programmer and I don't know CSS. People who know programming and CSS seem to really like it...
      But the sales letter makes it ( thesis 2 ) sound like its this drag and drop WYSIWYG ( what you see is what you get ) super easy interface and nothing could be further from the truth.
      Oh and be aware of their refund policy. It is NOT satisfaction guarantee. Rather, their policy states that they will only refund within 30 days if something is broken AND their support forum ( not phone support as there is no phone support) can't help you fix it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
        Originally Posted by metalmania View Post

        But the sales letter makes it ( thesis 2 ) sound like its this drag and drop WYSIWYG ( what you see is what you get ) super easy interface and nothing could be further from the truth.
        I remember coming to the same conclusion after reading their salesletter. Then I did some due diligence and watched some "how to" videos before investing only to realize how user unfriendly it was. So you're not the only one who was under that impression.

        If you want true drag and drop friendliness, check out Visual Composer by WP Bakery at CodeCanyon. There are real innovators hiding in that marketplace.
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  • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
    Originally Posted by metalmania View Post

    I really regret getting thesis theme. Wish I had done a little research. Past refund period. :0(
    Anyone else feel this way? Wish I'd gone with genesis instead.
    Why do you need any theme at all when WP comes with many free options? Some people might need a premium theme, but unless you have a very specific reason for one and have a theme that fills that need, then it's pointless.
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    • Profile picture of the author metalmania
      Originally Posted by dewayneboyd View Post

      Why do you need any theme at all when WP comes with many free options? Some people might need a premium theme, but unless you have a very specific reason for one and have a theme that fills that need, then it's pointless.
      Because I've never found a free theme that looks the way I want it to look. And I must have looked at hundreds upon hundreds of free themes.
      For a marketing / sales driven website, the more simple the site, the better, and all the free themes are super cluttered with unnecessary stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinInTexas
        Originally Posted by dewayneboyd View Post

        Why do you need any theme at all when WP comes with many free options? Some people might need a premium theme, but unless you have a very specific reason for one and have a theme that fills that need, then it's pointless.


        Originally Posted by metalmania View Post

        Because I've never found a free theme that looks the way I want it to look. And I must have looked at hundreds upon hundreds of free themes.
        For a marketing / sales driven website, the more simple the site, the better, and all the free themes are super cluttered with unnecessary stuff.
        I always use one of the WordPress.org hosted and developed themes and create a child theme based on one of them. That is in my opinion the best basis for developing a website for any niche.
        Installation of a custom header image is simple and will set your site apart from the crowd.


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        • Profile picture of the author metalmania
          Originally Posted by RobinInTexas View Post

          I always use one of the WordPress.org hosted and developed themes and create a child theme based on one of them. That is in my opinion the best basis for developing a website for any niche.
          Installation of a custom header image is simple and will set your site apart from the crowd.
          Robin, most people getting thesis don't know how to make a child theme. They just want something they can customize as much as they want, without knowing how to code. If you are going to hire a developer then that changes everything entirely.
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  • Profile picture of the author AuthorityRush
    Genesis all the way! I have tried multiple times to get the new Thesis to do what I want...and still haven't. So I just stopped wasting my time.

    I think the very best setup is getting the Genesis framework with the Dynamik plugin. Then you have TOTAL control over everything. I used to be a Catalyst user...best framework ever...but they integrated with Genesis. So I have had to too. And it's all good so far.
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    • Profile picture of the author metalmania
      Originally Posted by William C Allen View Post

      Genesis all the way! I have tried multiple times to get the new Thesis to do what I want...and still haven't. So I just stopped wasting my time.

      I think the very best setup is getting the Genesis framework with the Dynamik plugin. Then you have TOTAL control over everything. I used to be a Catalyst user...best framework ever...but they integrated with Genesis. So I have had to too. And it's all good so far.
      William, you are much smarter than I. I should have done the same thing you did.
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  • Profile picture of the author Slate Marketing
    I loved the first version of Thesis and then hated version 2....until I found a Thesis 2 skin that was PERFECT for my needs. It's made all the difference. I still mostly use Woo Themes but I do like Thesis 2 with certain skins.
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    • Profile picture of the author sidee
      I don't recommend Thesis. Too big of a learning curve. I spent way too much time asking for help on forums. Life's too short, unless you're already a coder.
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  • Profile picture of the author one3rdnerd
    If you think Thesis 2.1 sucks then you haven't given it a proper chance because it is leaps and bounds beyond Genesis, with anything revolutionary there is always going to be some new learning involved but once over that small hurdle you will never go back to anything else. It is so much more flexible and easy to make quick changes than Genesis, Headway and so on.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogozRazvan
    Same thoughts here.

    I haven't bought it but I've played with it on a client's blog.

    I'm not saying it is not a good theme. I think it is the best.

    I'm just saying that when you buy a theme and then you have to hire someone to customize it, it kind of beats the purpose.

    I've never been an WP expert but I've customized all the themes I've purchased before. This was anything but intuitive.

    On the other hand, for the people who understand how to use it, it looks and feels amazing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yvon Boulianne
    Sahifa and Headway are the best themes i found, check it out they are worth it...
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  • Profile picture of the author Ghoster
    The Thesis learning curve is too high for most WordPress users—myself included.

    Of course, the tradeoff there is that you can do pretty much anything you want with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author wayfoward
    I use the Stallion wordpress theme for my blog. See the link at the bottom of the page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim Franklin
    Every theme is different, truth, the biggest issue affecting themes is continued development, I have been on a mission to find the best wordpress themes for clients and my own projects however there seems to be a long term issue that creates problems with sustained development of a theme.

    (The bad thing is that if a theme is not in active development)

    It is going to suffer from many different things including the potential for exploitation.

    I have purchased a lot of Themes, but it seems like what you see on the demo you never actually get, unless you install the demo content then you see tons of demo pages, that have to be deleted, ect, ect,

    For the record Genesis, was last updated in Jan of this year.

    It is sometimes obtuse in how it handles some aspects of creative flow, (just a polite way of saying its not intuitive. )

    I like it but because of some issues that are outstanding, (which I am sure they will address soon) I stopped using it about four months ago.

    Switched all my sites to a different theme.

    Every theme has to be customized to make it your own, but I would love to see a theme that just does what it says on the can...
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  • Profile picture of the author magiclouie
    I will always love Thesis. Yes, I have to agree that it's one of the best. It's flexible. To the OP, there's a bit of a learning curve and you should be prepared for it. However trust me when I say that, as soon as you get the hang of it, everything will be a lot easier.

    You may also consider the Canvas theme of woothemes.

    WooThemes Canvas and framework is just great – just like the name implies – it is a blank canvas allowing you to change and design all the elements of the to-be-built website. The built-in theme options are extensive – but they just can’t cover every conceivable tweak.

    WooThemes Canvas has a ton of built in shortcode and options, for clients that have CMS requirements we modify or add new shortcodes to the existing options. This list of WooThemes Canvas CSS Tweaks also provides a couple of modifications to existing shortcodes.

    Modifications to bullets, boxes etc are all do-able and provide that extra layer of polish to Client CMS website as well as saving a bunch of time.

    Here's a good news, there's a separate company that build great plugins and extensions designed for canvas exclusively. Their latest plugin is called Canvas Page Builder. It is a powerful yet simple Page Builder for WooThemes Canvas. Say goodbye to long confusing pages ofshortcodes & unnecessary plugins. Say hello to speed and creativity.

    You can check the video here, Unleash your creativity - Pootlepress (not an affiliate link, I just love the builder)

    More power to you.

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  • Profile picture of the author savvy linguist
    Thesis has come a long way. Yeah, the latest version is not that user friendly for ordinary users (not advanced).

    One thing I like thesis is that it loads pretty good compared to other themes at least to me.

    To the OP, continue learning the thesis theme and check their forum also. There are lots of good information there. Check youtube for videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raelyn Tan
    I have both Genesis and Thesis and Genesis wins hands-down. First off I'm not a programmer.. so.. if you're not one too then my thoughts would be more relevant to you.

    Thesis Pros:
    I like its dashboard
    Intuitive

    Genesis Pros:
    Much, much, much, much easier to use than thesis
    Studiopress themes look good

    Overall I like Genesis as I don't know any HTML, PHP or whatever it is and I find that I can make edits faster with Genesis, whereas for Thesis I spend an exceedingly long time trying to figure out all about all the boxes and sections.
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