If you found the KEY, would you REALLLLLLY want to give back to the Warrior forum?

Honestly, I probably wouldn't...at least not until I've reached such critical mass where I'm wealthy enough or additional entrants won't dilute my revenue stream.

I applaud you for putting up this post. It does irk me that so much of WF is a "pyramid scheme" (Oh, I'm really going to get it now). But its full of people who haven't made it big, trying to tell other people how to make it big (Just browse the WSO's...).

I so wish there was a rule that any WSO talking about how to make money online, must come with proof of how much money they made online...

Happy weekend all.

I wouldn't disagree, completely. However, if it was something that COULD result in a loss of business for myself for a competitor, then no - I probably wouldn't share it.

Hmm, I'm on the fence with this one, because I think a lot of people on here have found the "key" that worked for them.

The Warrior Forum to me is a necessary evil in a weird way. We all want to buy the next biggest and greatest money maker when it comes out and then a lot of us want to be able to turn around and sell our method here too. If the method we learned was so great then why does anyone need our method?

It's the shiny object syndrome, if we would just follow a few known steps to success and not go after every new method that came out we would all be set, but then there would be no need for the Warrior Forum either, as there would be no need for any new products.

The same in the fat loss market, if every product that came out was so great then why do new ones come out? All you gotta do is eat right and exercise!

What I used to find amusing was when I'd get the typical IM product email from some hot-shot marketer where they would begin with tons of 'proof' of their income in order to build their cred. So the sales page would bang on with something like "I've made X million dollars over the last five years, and I'm not saying this to brag but just to prove to you I know what I'm talking about". Then the next minute they're saying, "I made a pledge to myself that once I made it big I would help as many people as possible to do the same, so now I want to 'give something back' Here's my blueprint for how to do this for... only... $197.00... blah blah

Most people may not spot the logical conundrum. I can say with total honesty, if I already had a few million (or the assets from it) from my efforts and I wanted to 'give something back', I'd just friggin give the product away, I wouldn't sell it for any price, it would be free, gratis, no strings, just take it and have fun, do whatever ya want. I'd be living in my dream house, doing only what I love doing everyday, not sending more offers to my list!

(And actually in the example above the 'guru' in question claimed to have made 15 mil and was 'giving back' by selling the product at 500 bucks).

There's success and then there's just pure greed, there's real actual logic and then there's this kind of malarkey.

I wish Sam Kinison was around to do a comedy piece about it, I can just imagine that scream now...

I am surprised that this thread has even been created. The people saying 'to be honest, you would not give out your info' what are you on about? Of course you would not give away your deepest secrets.

Phil, I am not knocking you (or anyone else here) but what sort of an idiot would give away all of the secrets to their business.... what sort of an idiot would think that anyone would give them the magic formula.

This forum is full of a mixture of people as in the real world and I don't see why, just because we are online, people would become thick (well OK, maybe some do) :-)

There are a few people on this forum that help out all the time. I myself have benefited from this help (Alexa, Streve B) and others have guided me along as they have others, even when we ask the most basic of questions. But that would happen in the real world also when you meet someone in the same industry. it is what happens.

On the flip side of the coin, the forum also has it's fair share of clowns who are pushing themselves as self proclaimed guru's. But again, as in the real world it is up to everyone to use their best judgement. Further, these people are often berated by those warriors who are more practised and this, in some way helps out the less experienced.

I see this forum as a great place to be. It is a place to learn the basics and a little more, but it is then up to us to develop our own plans going forward. When we become more experienced, we may well discuss newer matters but we can also then advise the new comers to the forum. And all going well, they will get the same great advice they need.

Phew... That turned into a bit of a rant :-)

Yes, I would still spend time here to give back to other warriors. However, giving back does not have to mean giving them a copy and paste formula for my own success. That would be slitting your own throat, but it doesn't mean you can't give back. I would still do it because I enjoy doing it and think we all owe each other a certain amount of sharing in order for everyone to benefit and learn.

Most people expect to get paid when they share a money making system, at least for hundreds of people who have systems that is what I have seen, once in a while they will share but most of those they expect something in return like at mastermind groups they share because they know other members share in return so they are compensated that way and once in a very long while (and I have seen that as well) they share with no compensation or expcpectation whatsoever totally 100% altruistic that I have seen but it's minority from what I have seen.

It's a fact that not everyone would do that, but some will always come back and help others. Isn't this how we find mentors among us? We see many people trying to sell their books with success stories but actually not giving away anything in terms of business strategies. On the other hand, many would come and spend time in forums like this guiding others to learn and grow their businesses.

The key isn't my best kept secret. The key is just the beginning.

Once you're inside, it's a whole new game.

We all know that we come here to learn something. So surely people continuously contributing here and making this forum more valuable.

What amuses me here.. is that a lot of newbies..come buy a WSO..he makes 3-5 sales then..he sells "his method" as ..A NEW WSO ..after that with the money made with that WSO,launches another one using the screenshots with income made from the first WSO..and with the time he becomes a"guru".. I've met a few examples here, but i'm not going to give names..
About your question..well maybe i would share the info for free with A FEW people so i can create a group and work further with them in doing money together..but as you may notice i said "maybe" .
In an utopian world this would make perfect sense to give back..but we re not in that world so....

I give back with my advice, not doing all the work for others.

I would never share unique secrets that could ruin my opportunities, or sell a site with a good monthly income for a small x payment.

Many people think that by spending $17 or $27 their life is set... they keep going after the next big thing, or easy money, instead of doing regular tasks and be patient.

Most just waste their time and cash... if you are looking for a longterm partner... ok. But handing you the key for peanuts?

Nice thread. And I do agree with you to some extent. I would LOVE to give back and I don't even mind sharing what has worked for me and what hasn't, but it's just too time consuming. So instead I pop in here once in a while and drop replies to comments.

As much as I love you, I have to be honest and say that if I found a way of making tons of cash with a particular method or in an untapped niche, I wouldn't come back here with one of those "I'm posting this to give back to the warrior forum". Why? Well first of all, we know there are a ton of people who would just try and replicate what you are doing and stand a chance of diluting your own results.

Soooo many things wrong with this mentality.

1. You are trying to GET without GIVING. (You are gambling with your time/money or both)
2. You fail to achieve the abundance mentality (diluting your results? We live in a world of infinite possibilities)

This is the fundamental thing most people are doing wrong.

It's funny how you think you'll be rich solely by extracting information on WarriorForum.com & not giving back.

Meanwhile, WarriorForum.com has been making super cash this whole time because they've provided the extraordinary value of bringing the internet marketing community together all in one spot.

The answer is right in front of you. It's not about smiling, or being super nice. It's about developing relationships, collaborating, finding problems, and finding ways to solve them. Aka offering value.

If i found an untapped niche, i tottally would. I'd create a product to sell to that niche, upload it to clickbank and let everyone know about the niche. Then the'yd all be scambling over each other to promote the hell out of you clickbank product

1 John 3:17

But if anyone has the world's goods and sees his brother in need, yet closes his heart against him, how does God's love abide in him?

do not give away:
sell it ....i will pay money and alot of money if you showed me something really worked instead of the bs that is peddled.. all of this forum is methods but i really think there is always something being left out so they will not have competition.
AGAIN, SELL YOUR METHOD AND I WILL BE YOUR FIRST CUSTOMER....IF IT REALLY DOES WORK.
THANKS
GOD BLESS.....

I AGREE MR BILL.
i think we should still help each other. many warriors helped me and i am thankful. i beleive warriors should make money since they are creating competition for them selves.

The whole concept of "giving" anything valuable away is silly. I've tossed out at least a dozen viable ideas since arriving here. Here's one: Create a site like fiverr. Not some exact dumbass fiverr clone offering all the dumbass stuff fiverr offers. Create one that specializes only in graphics. Instead of charging $5, charge $10. And instead of taking 20% like fiverr does, take only 10. Sellers would love it. Buyers would love it. People would flock to a site like this. You can buy fiver clone scripts for chump change. Have someone modify it to fit the graphics model.

No one is doing this. And even with potentially thousands of eyes on this post, it's doubtful anyone here will do it. Why? Because people are in love with the idea of getting rich but most have no idea what it takes to actually develop a real idea or business.

I may sound cynical but I've been watching people back away from real, smart action for years in favor of pie in the sky dirty little autopilot ninja secrets that will never work even if people were willing to work them, which they're not.

Here's another idea: Next year is an election year. People are fed up with both sides. Create bumper stickers that favors dumping incumbents from both parties. Sell them singly and/or in bulk on eBay. Ooooh, but that means I'd have to get them printed, and list them on that big mean eBay who will take too big a cut and dishonest buyers and yadda, yadda, yadda... I can already hear the whining. But guess what? People are already doing this and before it's all finished next November there will be a LOT of money made doing just this.

I could list dozens of other ideas, stuff I'm actually doing myself and not lose a wink of sleep for fear that anyone here would actually take any business away. That's because even if people were willing to take meaningful action, which most aren't, there's plenty for everyone out there willing to pay the price.

1. If you've studied psychology, you might have heard that in fact there is a debate whether or not there is any "true" altruism

2. There's no such thing as a key, a magic bullet, or anything that will help anyone to "get rich quick". I remember the first time I let the secret "slip" to a few of my family and friends about how easy it was to make money writing online. Without fail, all of them expressed interest, but none have yet put in place the hard work to become successful at it.

90% of the people want a "foolproof system" when reality is that there is no such thing. You can hand people all the secret keys you want, unless they have the drive and motivation to actually work at it then your "untapped niche" is still as good as gold.

Hey Phil.

There are alot of successful guys who come back to forums and give away GOLD...
but most of the times it's TRUTH and it's not what people want to hear so it goes un noticed.

If you want to be wildly successful online.. It's simple.

Find a big HOT market where people are spending tons of money:
Here's a few.. Weight loss, MMO, relationships, forex, hair loss, etc.

Study what the top guys are doing.. Model what works.. do it. then improve and do even better.
and watch as you make tons of sales.

As far as untapped niches.. I won't touch them. Why?
Think about it...

Why would I want to jump into a niche that is unproven, untested and gives me nothing to model after? I have no idea what works, or even if there is any money to be made in it at all..

If it's an untapped niche.. I don't know. It's a gamble. And when it comes to money.. I don't like taking risks.

Plus if it's untapped.. chances are it's SMALL.. there's a ceiling. and there's only so far you can go with it.. If I can't make at least 7 figures with something.. I don't waste my time.

I'd much rather jump into a niche like weight loss.. go with something that is proven.. something that I KNOW there is money in... has lots of competition so I can see what formulas are working.. do it better then just scale the heck out of it.

Sure, you could be the next Google.. Youtube.. Twitter, etc.. and stumble across something
revolutionary that no one has ever thought of.. and if you do.. more power to you.. But what are the odds of that? I'd rather go with something that works.. Make tons of money with that, then invest that into your pet project.

So I just gave you the secret. Jump into a hot market, promote a hot product (or create your own), model what the top guys are already doing (don't reinvent the wheel, go with what works), then send traffic to it.

If you've got a hot product in a hot desperate market and price it accordingly.. Money is inevitable.. If you simply jump in front of people.. in front of the traffic.. you will make sales. If you're selling beer at a football stadium.. you're going to make money bottom line.

If you're selling ice cream on the corner and it's 100 degrees outside.. You'll make sales.
If you've got a killer weight loss program that sells itself and hang out at weight loss forums or weight loss facebook groups or post a banner on a weight loss blog.. You'll make sales.

If you do nothing.. you'll make nothing. But it really is that simple.. and any excuse you can come up with is all in your head.

It doesn't work like that. Really successful people are on a whole different wave length bro.
Truly successful people LOVE competition.. they aren't afraid of it.
Truly successful people don't live their life under fear of loss.. Instead they focus on GAIN.
I'm not worried about people copying or taking from me.. I'm WAY more focused on what's next.. and am always thinking bigger and better.

Even if you give away winning campaigns.. it doesn't matter. I've sold thousands of copies of courses in the past where I showed people EXACTLY what I do to make alot of money. unfortunately.. most people won't act on it.. and those that do.. most give up all too quickly and by the next day are onto the next shiny thing...

And for the few.. the proud.. the people who did stick with it and are now successful because of it?
Hell yeah! they are my HOMIES.

I'll buy them a beer. and I want to be friends with them. There's PLENTY of room for everyone. There's way more traffic out there than I or anyone else can handle.



If someone is 'stuck' in their biz.. and can't break away... that's not success to me.. that is someone who has a high paid job. If you've got a successful business and set it up the right way.. It runs with you having to do very little if anything... so they should have time to answer questions

Whether or not they "want" to.. that's a different story.


I'll answer this question.. and it's real simple bro. You even said part of the answer.

if you don't charge money people won't take action on it.. and that's 100% true.

I've given advice to people for free.. and it fell on deaf ears.. they did nothing with it.
I've given the SAME exact advice to people who paid me serious money for it.. and those people became millionaires from it. So yes.. if something doesn't cost you anything you're going to place a lower value on it.. and that's fact.

How many spoiled rich kids got handed a bmw that thrashed it and could care less about it?
compare that with how many broke college kids saved up to buy their first car... which may have been a beater.. but they treated it like gold..

Because they had to work hard for it.. it cost them something.. same principle.


Also, the other reason why people charge for their stuff is because when I create a course or make a product.. it costs ME something.. TIME.

It takes me alot of time to make a course.. It takes ALOT of time answering questions, answering support emails, etc.

And I value my time and like to get compensated for it just as anybody does in their profession.

A doctor wants to get paid for what he does, a teacher does too, so does a postman.

I thoroughly enjoy doing what I do. I help out tons of people and give out free advice and products when I can... but at the end of the day.. I also enjoy making money but if I can make extra money AND help people out at the same time.. do both.. why not?!

Ps. your name looks familiar. think I remember you from the dark ages of WA? I was 'Ghost' on there

You have a point. But at the same time people value things (especially information) more when they have to give something up (money) to get it. Obviously that is not why all warriors charge for certain products but in a way it does help others cherish the product more.

On the other hand, our company knows how traffic to your website is like the holy grail in IM. So to help everyone out, even with our free most basic membership, we have developed tools so that people can generate free targeted traffic using their social media accounts. Obviously we still have our product that we encourage people to purchase but we want to add as much value as possible and give back type of thing in the areas that we know internet marketers tend to struggle most.

Too many small things play a crucial role so there's nothing wrong with sharing winning concepts.

Why should someone share their secret? If it is shared, it is no more a secret right?

I would make you all my employees

Hey Phil - the reason I post is to put my sig link about of course: but also to network. Eg I made a friend a month ago and we are now chatting on Skype regularly.

IM can be a lonely business: so the networking you get from posting is very valuable

Also, I like highlighting bullshit where I see it! (I try to do it constructively... ) ... And especially as it can mislead news.

Finally I learn by reading others's posts too (not often, lol, but it happens).

So, yes, I'll share. But just as there is no 'magic bullet for success', there's no magic bullet to share either - unless it's a dodgy strategy with a limited lifespan - like boosting yourself up Ezine Articles ranking ( and getting a shed load of backlinks) by faking the 'most read' numbers using Scrapebox!

To be successful u need a well developed system which most people would not copy due to:
1. Lack of focus
2. Lack of skills, or
3. Laziness!

For example I just posted a 500 word article here:
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...esponders.html

...on how to set up a bullet-proof email marketing system: then how to double your income pretty much instantly by changing to a "grown up" autoresponder service.

It's a killer strategy which I wanted to share for free, but only a few will take the trouble to copy it. And good luck to those few - I am more than happy for them to copy!

It's not a magic bullet though

Malc

A good case in point of when it is believable that someone is really giving away all of their key methods that has made them millionaires is Nick Chou.

He made over a million with his ppc method and then invested that money into other things that makes him even more income, and to the degree where he no longer had interest in doing his ppc method.

So he came on the WF and started his thread, deciding to give others a chance with his somewhat outdated method (which he admits is a tad outdated but still works to a lesser degree than when he used it). And people are making money with it.

I have noted a few Warriors now and then doing the same thing. Even Kenster has done this in the War Room, but free.

You are probably right in that most people wouldn't do it. However, the only real secret there is in online marketing is finding a profitable niche or product. Really, everything else you need to learn is free if you just ask it on the forums and read what others are asking and posting. But without the right niche or product, it won't make one cent. There is a very good reason people won't share that, at least with a lot of detail. And you already stated that it's because they don't want to have to compete against the people they teach. This is exactly why no marketing product I have ever seen is good beyond teaching generic steps.

Having said that, no one in this or any other forum has ever showed me how to make money that is consistent with their deceptive and often downright false sales letters. At most, I learned basic steps leading to success. But only I found the niche to make me successful. And a lot of the products I have read are essentially worthless.

And while I am not making TONS OF CASH like you said, I do give away my basic niche on these forums and even some of the sources. Am I worried? No, if I had 20,000 posts with the same information, probably 3 or 4 people here would actually take the time to follow my advice and become successful. LOL.

It ought to be obvious I know what I am talking about. But people are either 1. lazy, or 2. just don't believe me. That's fine with me since I make my money from the search engines, not in selling marketing products.

Hiring warriors is precisely what I'm doing

I'm more interested in longterm partners than customers. When I'm here I share my knowledge and look for talent.

There are people who give back and their motivation is gaining acknowledgment or receiving some form of gratitude from people, these are things money can't buy and are emotionally fulfilling. When people feel good about themselves and what they're doing, it can help push their business even further. (there's also something to be said for karma).

I see 'keys' being posted all the time on here, but sometimes it requires a little reading between the lines or putting your own unique spin on things. This is something many people struggle with for one reason or another.

Every piece of content you create, even a forum post, should have an agenda whether it's to fulfil something within, sell something, gain credibility, or setting yourself up for a future endeavour. If you're not doing this it's just wasting time.

'The Key' is often revealed in plain sight for those Wise enough to understand.

The Key is the same for all. However, the methods are personalized. No one should reveal personalized and working methods for many reasons, self preservation topping the list.

There are many honest WSO, with truthful advice, that teach real ways to make a living online. No doubt about this.

I think most here are referring to those others that promise everything, that it's easy to earn a lot doing almost nothing, and without any external support. Really?

The big secret, that anyone can imitate with little effort and make a lot of cash, is something I haven't seen. Even today I still work a lot if I want my projects to become a reality.

What a great thread we have here!

What I love most about my business model is that the more I share it
and give away ALL my secrets the more I make. If your model doesn't
work like that you might want to rethink what you're doing.

When you finally understand that prosperity is found in giving, not getting,
you'll begin to build something that will stand the test of time.

I probably would if the method won't get oversaturated or outdated.

Why not have more streams of income?

Totally not a fan of people who put on their Mother Theresa face and pretend like they're performing some great task, all the while having an unspoken implication of debt being owed if we were to read their glorified sales page- which surprise surprise, leads us back to their services.

Douchebags. All of them.

*takes a breath*

Anyways, now that I've got that off my chest, and hopefully without looking like tooo much of a self-righteous twat, I'll answer your question

I am totally the person who would share the wealth, granted it isn't my main source of income.
If I'm already killing it in another way and happen upon another massive source of cash, I'd be sharing it.
Now that I'm thinking about it though, I don't think I'd be posting it in the forum for all to see, in fear of previously mentioned Douchebags getting the all the benefit.
I'd like to help others who had the same struggles as I did, which certainly wasn't being the first to take action.

First off, it would go to my email list - loyalty pays, you know..

But, this is definitely my go-to internet geekery spot, and I have gleaned a ridiculous amount of information from the thousands of genuine, kind people on here, so I'd want to give back for sure. Somehow.
I'm thinking a canned response type thing where I'd message it to those who seem to need a helping hand and are going about it the right way.

Naturally, I'd be ridiculously wealthy and getting a massage on the beach so I'd have the spare time..

Good question!

The "Key" is more likely the big idea or concept, not the application of an idea.. we all need to put our unique spin on whatever we do

Success leaves clues....

Many years ago there was a very popular magazine called Business 2.0 which eventually saw its demise as FastCompany dealt with the same topics with more colorful illustrations and one-on-one in-depth interviews.

However at the end of every issue of Business 2.0 there was a 1 page article that detailed some business model that involved Internet marketing. Furthermore, the article would have testimonials as well as action plans how anyone could implement such a business.

These articles were like mini WSO's that today STILL work. Every article that I've saved over the years, I've seen or my contacts have seen success with.

The success "keys" were our in the open for hundreds of thousands of people to try out. Many years later, they still work! Some I follow to the letter and others I've added twists along the way.

The truth is that many people have generously posted very detailed action plans both on here and other boards on here (especially the War Room).

I see so many people worry about "saturation risk". Yet, the reality is that a small percentage truly execute these plans. When something doesn't work it is usually because the environment changes where you need to adapt your approach (ie, Google updates).

Is it laziness?....fear?....overwhelm? It could be any combination but I can tell you that the methodology for MANY of these do work...The issue is do you want to do the work too?

I have to honestly say....I have come away from the WF because of this very nature of things. Everyone selling a WSO has already made the serious amount of loot that they are going to make from the system, plan, blueprint or whatever they want to call it in their sales thread. They have already found the exact sales funnel and keywords or whatever has made it a success and raped it of its full capacity. Now, I am seeing many that have grown lists just promote other products and services and because of their list size, are the only ones really being able to capitalize on the very subject they "pitch" to you about making your assumed $$$$$$ I have learned that you must try and do things a little differently and be creative for your own way of online business and or marketing. When people say they are giving back it is not the "Godly" way of what we all are accustomed to where they are giving til it hurts it is the way that may pacify their ego and have them thinking they have actually done something good because they shared what they have already ran through and milked....henceforth it "can" work because it worked for them. I used purchase systems and software and stuff to get ahead and then give it to others or let others have access to it to help themselves in marketing....but I have to say they did not honestly return the favor. But, then it goes to say when you want to help...you should give from the heart and that is what I had always done. Now, since it is not only me that suffers but my family as well because of the decisions that I have made to "give" til it hurts....I have had to hold back and make sure that I no longer hurt those that I love and need me for support. I wish everyone well on the forum and I continue to chime in and enjoy the many different headings and see what creative ideas that people come up with to draw people to them. And who knows maybe someone will actually share something one day that will give everyone a level playing field....but right now....from what I see now....I honestly have to say that I seriously doubt it.

What works for me might not work for you! Thats one of the nice things about working online is there is somewhat of an art to it. Its organic and natural. Sure I would come back and share it. In fact thats what I am doing now. I just created a blog and I am sharing everything I have learned and am currently doing. And yes I make money! Not from any particular one program but by understanding what it is I am doing. Yeah today there is so much traffic you need to sometimes think outside the box and you can really hit some good home runs with traffic generation. The fact is, is you do need certain items to run your online business and for traffic generation as well and those tools cost money! Just like any business. I would give my content away for free and recommend paid products that I feel help with running a online business.