Why is it so HARD to be successful at MMO?

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Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    First,
    Define: hard
    Define: many people
    Define: successful
    Define: making money online
    Then ask again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      First,
      Define: hard
      Define: many people
      Define: successful
      Define: making money online
      Then ask again.
      I can't define your specific situation; I was hoping for your help
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      • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
        Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

        I can't define your specific situation; I was hoping for your help
        But without those definitions, your question is so vague as to be meaningless.
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          But without those definitions, your question is so vague as to be meaningless.
          ..........Opinion.
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        • Profile picture of the author wayneh
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          But without those definitions, your question is so vague as to be meaningless.
          Yes I agree. You need the question to be a bit more focused. What are you comparing it to?
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          • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
            Originally Posted by wayneh View Post

            Yes I agree. You need the question to be a bit more focused. What are you comparing it to?
            Why do so many internet marketers fail to reach their goal? Like when you were first starting, what frustrated you, or kept you from reaching your finacial goals?
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
              Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

              Why do so many internet marketers fail to reach their goal? Like when you were first starting, what frustrated you, or kept you from reaching your finacial goals?
              You don't know that's true, that many internet marketers fail to reach their goal. Are you doing research for anew product?
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              • Profile picture of the author Devid Farah
                Am just curious... id like to know how did you come to the conclusion that make money online is hard.

                What can be "hard" for you, it can be "easy" for me or viceversa. We have different perceptions and reality. I agree with Frank in being more specific.

                Most people tend to overcomplicate things. For example, when a money making method is actually so simple to implement.. they tend to self sabotage themselves.

                Actually making money online is easy if you know what you are doing, it comes down to many many factors like skills, knowledge, relationships etc.
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                • Profile picture of the author Newven
                  Originally Posted by Devid Farah View Post


                  Actually making money online is easy if you know what you are doing,.
                  Most don't know how. People throw out suggestions and sell WSOs that give partial info but not enough to allow you to see that it will work long term. If we could 'see' this, we'd stick to it.
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        • Profile picture of the author kingde
          Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

          But without those definitions, your question is so vague as to be meaningless.
          Good point, if he has come so far to think it's hard he must have some specific details worth talking about
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Monroe
    It's not - people just make it 'harder' than it needs to be.

    Traffic ~~> Squeeze Page ~~> Sales Funnel ~~> PROFIT.

    Rinse and repeat.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    -Google's ever changing algo
    -Lack of time
    -Competition. Using over saturated methods.
    -Paid traffic requiring lots of time, testing and patience to make a positive roi so people get discouraged early on
    - Another would be not sticking to one method for long enough. When you see threads on the WF where people say they've been trying in IM for 1+, 2+ years with no success, they often say they've tried many different methods, so they haven't mastered anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author yezgani
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    Nothing worth pursuing is easy in life. You have to work hard for the good things in life. I would suggest you try one or two things and choose what is working and exciting for you and scale that up.
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    • Profile picture of the author honestim
      I guess it's hard because it's very easy to get distracted in MMO. We enjoy moving from one shiny thing to another and absolutely hate doing the same repeatable job that makes us $1 a thousand times.

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  • Profile picture of the author BBCanuck
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    Because they focus on the money part and not the delivering value to the customer to be rewarded with their money part.

    Most of the whining posts here are along of the lines of 'I've made no money by doing something lazy and without value that the customer (shockingly) did not value, why?'
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  • Profile picture of the author aaaa33030
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    It is so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online because it takes a good amount of money to launch a site that will really pull in the profits.

    There is also the cost of having to advertise the site in order to get people to come to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author marks2424
    As Devid said it will all depend on the person and it is so much like other things, I might need to read something 6 or 7 times to understand it where someone else might read it once. I might put up a web page in a week that looks like crap where someone else has a very artistic eye and makes something that is very eye catching in a day. So a lot of it just comes down to understanding it. Many how to make money on line courses give you a lot of info but don't fill in all the blanks they seem to leave some important things out and if you can't figure them out your done so as far as being hard it is hard in some ways because it requires a lot of time and effort but for others who just get it, it is simple they know what move to make and when and just do it where as some have said others complicate things by over thinking. It is a difficult question to answer.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Oriol
    Because people lack determination and will, also they don't know the real technique.. In internet marketing, we convince and serve people not the marketing strategies that we used to learn from the internet. SEO, ads, sponsors, etc. All that are important, but we all forget to gain trust instead from people and make a good quality content. Why I seemed so sure about this? Look at those viral stuffs happening online, most of them are made by teenagers, have they thought of money when they did that? No! Because what is in their minds is to amuse people.. So we should think on how to make people happy, not how to earn money.. Money follows when you serve people, that's my motto.
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  • Profile picture of the author Horacioplus
    From my own experience!
    1. When you listen to the wrong people
    2. Your mind set is the most important thing when it comes to making money online or building a business.
    The amount of income that you will make is based on the amount of value you put into the market place.
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  • Profile picture of the author veekay31
    Not sticking to one proven money making system for long enough and shining object syndrome are couple of reasons that make it hard to make money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    Most people you meet who have been successful, whether it be at sports, acting, making money online, real estate, whatever, will all tell you they worked very hard to get there.

    It takes hard work to be successful at ANYTHING. MMO is just another example of that. The hard workers always eventually succeed and the lazy ones don't. That's just life. You get out exactly what you put in. Put in mediocre effort and you'll always get mediocre results.
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    I personally think its because lots of people have the wrong kind of expectations when it comes to online money making. perhaps because of all the hypes and misinformation that make them believe its easy to make money online.


    So, they give it a try for a while, they don't make any money of course, since with most methods it takes time and consistent hard work to make money. They then jump to another method and so on.

    If they would instead focus on perfecting one method at a time, their time and effort would payoff much better.
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  • Profile picture of the author cuie
    People confuse two things.

    Making money online is simple. But it isn't easy.

    It takes a lot of work. There is always people who will hit $2,000 / first month. As there are people who will win $100,000,000 in lottery. I still wouldn't consider lottery a viable strategy for MMO
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  • Profile picture of the author run
    OK! These were my reasons when I couldn't even earn a buck online 5 years a go.
    • Procrastination: self-explain! I always delayed with my stuffs.
    • Information Overloaded: I learned and read many stuffs until those information took over me.
    • Not Doing Action: OK! I made plans and projects; jumped from one to another without taking any action at all.
    • Perfectionism: perfection is good, but I was too excessive to be perfect. This led me to not doing any action, too.
    • Lack of Resource: I was too poor to afford to spend on the online resources.
    • Lack of Knowledge: I was a noob so that I didn't know a thing in MMO, but I wanted to MMO.
    • Choosing The Wrong Techniques: I didn't care about the techniques but the greed. As soon as I saw that a techniques had made someone millions, I did it with the wrong technique from the start.
    • Jump From One Methods To Another Quickly: If one method wasn't earned me in a little while, I went to another one.
    • Not Focusing: similar to the point above, I liked doing many different things in a go. I failed hard with all
    • Not Split Testing: Sometimes the method was good, but I was just doing it the same and the same again and again without splitting to have the maximum results.
    • No Time: Labor worker like me was very busy and had no time to do something else.
    • Not Willing To Spend: I thought that MMO was just to gain without spending a dime, so I had no mood to spend for the success.
    • Think That It's Easy: MMO is not easy in my opinion like other business, too. Yet, it's realistic to earn online.
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    • Profile picture of the author Omar White
      Originally Posted by run View Post

      OK! These were my reasons when I couldn't even earn a buck online 5 years a go.
      • Procrastination: self-explain! I always delayed with my stuffs.
      • Information Overloaded: I learned and read many stuffs until those information took over me.
      • Not Doing Action: OK! I made plans and projects; jumped from one to another without taking any action at all.
      • Perfectionism: perfection is good, but I was too excessive to be perfect. This led me to not doing any action, too.
      • Lack of Resource: I was too poor to afford to spend on the online resources.
      • Lack of Knowledge: I was a noob so that I didn't know a thing in MMO, but I wanted to MMO.
      • Choosing The Wrong Techniques: I didn't care about the techniques but the greed. As soon as I saw that a techniques had made someone millions, I did it with the wrong technique from the start.
      • Jump From One Methods To Another Quickly: If one method wasn't earned me in a little while, I went to another one.
      • Not Focusing: similar to the point above, I liked doing many different things in a go. I failed hard with all
      • Not Split Testing: Sometimes the method was good, but I was just doing it the same and the same again and again without splitting to have the maximum results.
      • No Time: Labor worker like me was very busy and had no time to do something else.
      • Not Willing To Spend: I thought that MMO was just to gain without spending a dime, so I had no mood to spend for the success.
      • Think That It's Easy: MMO is not easy in my opinion like other business, too. Yet, it's realistic to earn online.
      this is very inspiring and also it applies to me when i started back in 2009
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    • Profile picture of the author Omar White
      Originally Posted by run View Post

      OK! These were my reasons when I couldn't even earn a buck online 5 years a go.
      • Procrastination: self-explain! I always delayed with my stuffs.
      • Information Overloaded: I learned and read many stuffs until those information took over me.
      • Not Doing Action: OK! I made plans and projects; jumped from one to another without taking any action at all.
      • Perfectionism: perfection is good, but I was too excessive to be perfect. This led me to not doing any action, too.
      • Lack of Resource: I was too poor to afford to spend on the online resources.
      • Lack of Knowledge: I was a noob so that I didn't know a thing in MMO, but I wanted to MMO.
      • Choosing The Wrong Techniques: I didn't care about the techniques but the greed. As soon as I saw that a techniques had made someone millions, I did it with the wrong technique from the start.
      • Jump From One Methods To Another Quickly: If one method wasn't earned me in a little while, I went to another one.
      • Not Focusing: similar to the point above, I liked doing many different things in a go. I failed hard with all
      • Not Split Testing: Sometimes the method was good, but I was just doing it the same and the same again and again without splitting to have the maximum results.
      • No Time: Labor worker like me was very busy and had no time to do something else.
      • Not Willing To Spend: I thought that MMO was just to gain without spending a dime, so I had no mood to spend for the success.
      • Think That It's Easy: MMO is not easy in my opinion like other business, too. Yet, it's realistic to earn online.
      your post is very inspiring and also it applies to me when i started back in 2009...Of Course it was a lot easier back then but the general Principles Apply to ANY business
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  • Profile picture of the author masterqif
    I think they don't focus on one niche/product and using the multiple sources of traffics. For starters, it is advice to promote one product using one traffic source first. Work from that, and then go the next product and next traffic source. This is to build experiences
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    Define vague and meaningless?

    But without those definitions, your question is so vague as to be meaningless.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    selling sh** to newbies is not a long term business module.

    Lt's face it...mot people shouldn't even attempt running a business. You simply can't teach common sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author cuie
      Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

      selling sh** to newbies is not a long term business module.

      Lt's face it...mot people shouldn't even attempt running a business. You simply can't teach common sense.
      I totally agree.

      You should be able to separate:

      What you want to do...

      ..and what you can do.

      Wanting to be self-employed IM millionaire working from Bahamas doesn't actualize until you have the capabilities to do so.

      You can make millions with three methods:

      1. Work
      2. Inherit
      3. Luck
      (4. Well, you can also steal them ..)

      First one you can do something about. Latter ones you can't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    It's hard to be successful at anything, not just mmo. The "why?" part of it is unique to the individual, but as someone once pointed out, the typical excuses are four: Lack of Time, Lack of Focus, Lack of Money, Lack of Traffic.
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  • Many people fail because they buy into the, "Make $10,000 per month working only 30 minutes per week in your pajamas!!" crap. They think that this is possible, so they decide that they want to MMO.

    Making money online is a business, and if you don't treat it like one, you'll never have the level of success that you want.

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  • Profile picture of the author tonio79
    Hi there

    I suppose lots of people find things hard depending on their circumstances - and i wonder if those who we deem experts in the field would say that they find their now 'expertise' easy?
    Perhaps they still find it very tough, but are willing to do what it takes to be the best and through working hard have achieved the ability to make things look and seem simple to the rest of us?

    I'm sure an Olympic athlete wouldn't say their sport is easy just because they are a champion - in some ways it then becomes tougher than ever!!

    Great question to kick things off for this post though.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    The failure rate in this industry is in the high 90%

    The other 3% that are making money, are the ones selling you crap about "how to make money".
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    ..........Opinion.
    No Frank is actually making a good point here. You have to define 'successful' to ask this question. For example I can show anyone how to make $5 right now, one time. So does that mean they are successful? If so then being successful is super easy. Or does it take $5 a day to be successful? Or does it take $50 a day (a little harder) or $500 a day (hard). Without defining what you consider 'success' saying something like "Why is it hard to be successful' is a pointless question.

    Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

    Define vague and meaningless?
    What exactly is the point of this post here at all? Trying to be clever? You didnt. Vague and Meaningless have very specific definitions. I suggest you use Google if you dont know what they mean. Successful and Hard do not as they are opinion based and must be defined by the user.

    Originally Posted by WillR View Post

    Most people you meet who have been successful, whether it be at sports, acting, making money online, real estate, whatever, will all tell you they worked very hard to get there.

    It takes hard work to be successful at ANYTHING. MMO is just another example of that. The hard workers always eventually succeed and the lazy ones don't. That's just life. You get out exactly what you put in. Put in mediocre effort and you'll always get mediocre results.
    Best answer here.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by brutecky View Post

      No Frank is actually making a good point here. You have to define 'successful' to ask this question. For example I can show anyone how to make $5 right now, one time. So does that mean they are successful? If so then being successful is super easy. Or does it take $5 a day to be successful? Or does it take $50 a day (a little harder) or $500 a day (hard). Without defining what you consider 'success' saying something like "Why is it hard to be successful' is a pointless question.



      What exactly is the point of this post here at all? Trying to be clever? You didnt. Vague and Meaningless have very specific definitions. I suggest you use Google if you dont know what they mean. Successful and Hard do not as they are opinion based and must be defined by the user.



      Best answer here.
      I could be wrong. I am wrong most of the time

      My question is very broad because i wanted to get a ton of responses on this subject on what frustrations people are dealing with when internet marketing.
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        Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

        I could be wrong. I am wrong most of the time

        My question is very broad because i wanted to get a ton of responses on this subject on what frustrations people are dealing with when internet marketing.
        Chris, Now that is a much better question. There is also rumor that it is "hard" to make money online. However it is like others have said expectation and perception.

        Here is the thing and I want to ask this question. Do you think it was easy to create own and operate Walmart?

        Chances are they found it hard as well in the beginning. Why because it is a business and any business you own and operate is difficult to succeed in especially if you have little to no experience.

        So think of making money online as a real tangible business (which it is) and you might find your answer.
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      • Profile picture of the author wayneh
        Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

        I could be wrong. I am wrong most of the time

        My question is very broad because i wanted to get a ton of responses on this subject on what frustrations people are dealing with when internet marketing.
        Frustrations are that it doesn't work as quickly as you want it to or as quickly as people selling courses lead you to believe. Too many times it's treated like a hobby rather than a business in that people like to move on to a shiny new object rather than persevere and dedicate themselves to mastering the skills needed to make a success of IM as a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Brown
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    To the OP - its not that hard. People just lack the patience.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anoopchawla
    Because in IM there is no feedback loop especially if you are not tracking everything. In offline business you can notice what is working for you and what is not, you can read body language etc.

    But in IM there are so many things that you need to get right to make a sale. For example you have got a site up and you think you are doing everything right like driving traffic and all, but still you don't make a single sale.

    Reason can be many like your message is not strong enough or may be the traffic you are driving is not targeted enough, but without a mentor you won't be able to judge what exactly you are doing wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author Newven
      Originally Posted by Anoopchawla View Post

      but without a mentor .
      This exactly.

      I think that many people ARE willing to work hard and that some of the replies to the contrary (in this thread) are a bit insulting. If people have made it this far into this forum and are willing to look around, read, ask questions then they are likely willing to work hard.

      The problem is that there is no point working 'hard' when you have no clue what you're doing. It's like being asked to build a house and if you 'work hard', you will be successful. You need to know what you're doing to build a successful house.

      It's more than hard work.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOpeasant
    Very simple.

    They don't have the discipline, patience, determination to do what it takes to reach that level.

    Most people quit upon their first failures.

    This is the reason most people aren't successful in many other aspects of life, not just MMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author katrim
    I too believe it's a matter of perception. Of where you are in the pond. It can be as simple as setting up a new business over a dinner (and become successful as hell) if you have the right person in front of you or trying, failing and jumping up to the next best thing.

    People get tired, bored, sick of all of it but in the same time people get excited. So hard for you might not be hard for me and hard for me, could not be so hard for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author travlinguy
    It's hard because people believe:

    they can buy legitimate traffic on fiverr
    they can use spun and spammed articles to get backlinks
    they don't realize what a waste of time SEO is compared to many other traffic methods
    they don't realize that buying "clicks" is most often a BS proposition
    they think offering as little to customers as possible is smart
    they actually believe there are "systems" that will stuff their bank accounts overnight
    they think they can buy "great" articles for $5
    they listen to BS advice on forums from people who haven't made any money yet
    they ask the wrong questions
    they think they're actually fooling people with phony likes and followers
    they don't realize that business is simply finding a market where people need, want and can afford something and then providing that product
    they make things MUCH harder than necessary
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    • Profile picture of the author Tania Edwards
      Originally Posted by travlinguy View Post

      It's hard because people believe:

      they can buy legitimate traffic on fiverr
      Totally agree with you. I know some people who believe fiverr traffic is real.
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  • Profile picture of the author automationhero
    Many people don't put in the time to really learn how to do it. If they do they are putting time in the wrong direction. Find a mentor. Realize it is not a get rich quick scheme and you will be successful. Pick one strategy and become really good at it before you move onto another.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by automationhero View Post

      Many people don't put in the time to really learn how to do it. If they do they are putting time in the wrong direction. Find a mentor. Realize it is not a get rich quick scheme and you will be successful. Pick one strategy and become really good at it before you move onto another.
      Finding a mentor has worked wonders for me

      This is the key; putting your ego to the side; and performing this task.
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  • Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    Because people take importance in the wrong things, people don't take action as they should, and don't understand that online business and internet marketing is no different than other forms of business.

    It is usually the get rich quick schemes and high expectations from make money online opportunities that people get sucked into because of the sales methods of some internet marketers; who sell to newbies interested in making money online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Mensah
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    Many people lack these things:
    Audacity,
    proven game plan
    direction
    motivation
    Gusto - guts
    durability
    stickability
    burning desire
    knowledge/ information
    ACTION
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  • Profile picture of the author rohit36
    Most people when they step into MMO niche, they try to Make Money Online by teaching how to make money online without any real proof or experience. they just try to follow successful marketers who are doing this already...

    You have to know your own stuff before you to teach others.. If your are expert in something, then I don't thing you will have any problem in teaching that stuff to others..
    that's how this all stuff works
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  • Profile picture of the author yamilsenior
    It comes down to this:

    It takes a certain kind of people to be successful at any task not just MMO, it comes down to two kinds of people in this world.

    Those who play to win

    And those tho play not to lose

    Imagine that Making money online is a game of football, and one team is playing to win, and the other just doesn't want to lose. The team that plays to win may take risks, they will take hits, and go the extra mile to win, while the other team will be conservative, stick to the plan, avoid getting hurt, and never take risks.

    People also do that with money, the people who succeed at making money online play to win, they take risks and most of the times they have failed many times but they always get back up.

    And the people who fail or even fail to try are playing to just not lose, they never take risks, and the moment something goes wrong they throw in the towel and run back to the "security" of their 9 to 5 JOB.

    You're job as a marketer is to find the people who are willing to play to win and inspire them to go the extra mile.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Because the bad word has spread about this MMO niche, where people scam and cheat and that in-experienced people are running such campagins.
    But there are still few experienced people around, but hard to find.
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    The competition is high, but I find that hard work always lets you float to the top sooner or later.
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  • Profile picture of the author fxmaui92
    Why? Because IMO, everyone is looking for the holy grail, the magic bullet - something for nothing.

    This does not exist!

    Learn, apply, and profit! That's the formula. Taking action is what separates the pretenders from the money makers
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  • Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    It's hard because there is no barrier to entry and most people try the easiest thing with no plan. Also most people don't know what they are talking about so newbies are lead astray from the start or tricked into buying something.

    The biggest market for IM is newbies people buying get rich quick schemes. That is where the real money is.
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  • The biggest key is to stay focused, continue to learn and continue to grown. It really isn't hard you just need to continue to stay focused through the good times and hard times.
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  • Profile picture of the author sejbt23
    I believe if you give people what they want or what they are looking for, in turn you will get what you want. Value is the key!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr Bill
    It's not hard at all. How did you get that idea? Who told you that? The real truth is that massive wholesale failure in IM is a misconception that's kept alive only by people repeating it for their own perverse pleasure.

    I'm looking at the people who've replied to this thread and I see loads of success. It's all around you and there's probably dozens of great methods that work within your reach right now. I think if you defined what you mean by "success" it would help. If you consider making money as success then 90%+ of IMers (who take it even moderately seriously) are a success.

    Making money online is actually quite a simple straight forward process. The main problem (I think) is that no one defines how much they'd be happy with and so are endlessly searching for more and more and more and it feels like they just can't push through to become successful when in fact they've been successful (at making money) all along.

    As long as your definition of success isn't "making a million passive dollars a month" and it's more like "making money" you'll find success is all around you (especially in this forum) and well within your reach right now. The problem is not if you can make money using the internet (most of us are) but what method are you going to settle down on.

    There are as many ways to make money as there are people and websites (a bit of an exaggeration but I hope you get my point) so I can see a confusion problem but having so much choice is not a bad thing as most people would prefer too much choice over not enough. It may take you a while to find what method works best for you but there's definitely plenty of methods to chose.

    Just try to remember that the only way to make money is to sell goods or services; either your own or someone else's. Focus on ways of providing real value and money will find it's way to you and if you can find a trickle you can then use accepted techniques to scale up. The internet is really good like that.

    Don't believe the misery/failure hype. It's largely over-stated and really easy to repeat without facts to back it up. The reality is far more cheerful, positive and exciting.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxTheMarketer
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    Let me ask you a different question you should ask yourself every single day from now on:

    "How do I create the maximum value for other people?"
    When you ask yourself this question you focus on the right thing, which is, creating value for other people.

    "Value" can be:

    - Specific results (earning $100/month using a simple method OR losing 10 pounds of pure fat in 2 weeks)

    - Specific reliefs (defeat headache in 5 minutes with this new pill the industry don't want you to know about OR The Simple Bulletproof Method To Approach Any Woman Anywhere Anytime With 0% Risk of Getting Rejected) or

    - Entertainment (comics, films, music, games)

    - Educational (podcasts, blogs, softwares, systems, methods, techniques, etc.,)

    This reply could be considered as "valuable" depending on how you perceive it; if you perceive it helps you or not.

    So:

    1. Find out what people's needs are in certain niches (e.g. look at popular questions at Yahoo! Answers)

    2. Fulfill it (create a product/solution or pay someone else to do it through freelancing services)

    3. And cash will flow automatically from it (when you sell something people are looking for, then it makes sense for them to pay for it)

    Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by MaxTheMarketer View Post

      Let me ask you a different question you should ask yourself every single day from now on:



      When you ask yourself this question you focus on the right thing, which is, creating value for other people.

      "Value" can be:

      - Specific results (earning $100/month using a simple method OR losing 10 pounds of pure fat in 2 weeks)

      - Specific reliefs (defeat headache in 5 minutes with this new pill the industry don't want you to know about OR The Simple Bulletproof Method To Approach Any Woman Anywhere Anytime With 0% Risk of Getting Rejected) or

      - Entertainment (comics, films, music, games)

      - Educational (podcasts, blogs, softwares, systems, methods, techniques, etc.,)

      This reply could be considered as "valuable" depending on how you perceive it; if you perceive it helps you or not.

      So:

      1. Find out what people's needs are in certain niches (e.g. look at popular questions at Yahoo! Answers)

      2. Fulfill it (create a product/solution or pay someone else to do it through freelancing services)

      3. And cash will flow automatically from it (when you sell something people are looking for, then it makes sense for them to pay for it)

      Take Care & Have An Awesome Day, Fellow Warrior! / Max "MaxTheMarketer" K.
      Great Advice!

      Thanks alot man, I'm sure if people really take what your saying seriously; they'll have no problems succeeding.
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  • Profile picture of the author drlelong
    It's "hard" for most people for 3 reasons:

    1) They don't have the right mindset
    2) They don't take action consistently
    3) They don't stick with it long enough

    You need to be committed to all 3 to generate results and make money.
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  • Profile picture of the author mgsmith
    Because some people don't have enough knowledge or skills.
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  • Profile picture of the author djneill
    To get good quality traffic it requires money, you have to learn to build a sales funnel, learn good copy-writing, and be in a position where you can afford to lose money while testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    It's hard to be successful at i.m. because it's difficult. Most people that get into i.m. do it because they think it is easy, which pretty much sets them up for failure. Once you understand that it takes hard work to be successful and you accept that and take action, your chances of being successful will be a lot higher.
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  • Because it is still a business.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
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    why is this place full of idiots?

    "How do I make $10 a day"?
    "How do I promote my S.E.O. book"?
    "How do spam he net and make $1million+"
    "Help I am broke, despite my sig. claiming I make $5000 a day"

    This really is the Ghetto.

    waste of time...
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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by trader909 View Post

      why is this place full of idiots?

      "How do I make $10 a day"?
      "How do I promote my S.E.O. book"?
      "How do spam he net and make $1million+"
      "Help I am broke, despite my sig. claiming I make $5000 a day"

      This really is the Ghetto.

      waste of time...
      I can see where you're coming from. It's a generic question. But I have my reasons for asking it.

      Funny thing is, I probably make more than you. There's a good chance in fact.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave37
    If you want to make money online, the very first thing you will need is a "Success Mindset", and this is where most people fail.
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  • "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
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    While you spend time reading people's signatures on a forum someone else is working to make the money you could have made.

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    • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
      Originally Posted by TheRockstarWriter View Post

      "The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."
      I would rephrase it.

      I would say, the stupid are ignorant of uncertainty while the intelligent embrace it.
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      • Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

        I would rephrase it.

        I would say, the stupid are ignorant of uncertainty while the intelligent embrace it.
        Philosophers maybe; but business-minded people? No. You won't find a (successful) businessperson that says "Hm, I have no idea what is going to happen in this situation. Oh well! Balls to the wall! Ladeedadeeda. They attack uncertainty. They minimize uncertainty. Those who just take uncertainty for what is work 9-5's and hope life takes care of itself. Poor wording on your part I'm afraid .
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        • Profile picture of the author Chris30K
          Originally Posted by TheRockstarWriter View Post

          Philosophers maybe; but business-minded people? No. You won't find a (successful) businessperson that says "Hm, I have no idea what is going to happen in this situation. Oh well! Balls to the wall! Ladeedadeeda. They attack uncertainty. They minimize uncertainty. Those who just take uncertainty for what is work 9-5's and hope life takes care of itself. Poor wording on your part I'm afraid .

          Come on bro, I was correcting your flawed quote. Lol mine was closer than yours.

          My belief is starting off lean; learning as fast as possible and experimenting with nearly every aspect of your business in small batches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    There are many reasons for this...
    • People think that there is fast money to be made online and when they do not get this fast money, they give up
    • People jump from one program to another always thinking that the OTHER program is the better one - the grass is always greener on the other side
    • People are not prepared to put in the hard work that is required to make money online
    • People are just too lazy
    • People prefer leading their ratty lives instead of taking challenges
    • People get distracted very easily with things happening all around them
    • People lose focus very fast
    • People forget that it is a business and they have to treat it like one
    Just some of the many reasons ...EXCUSES...why people fail to MMO
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    IM isn't hard.

    I can go on for years and list about 10,000 reasons why people fail at IM.
    But what it all comes down to, imo is the IQ bell curve.

    The majority of the population is at the peak of the curve, which basically means the high majority of people are of average intelligence. Another way to word it is the high majority is of "average stupidity".

    The people who I see succeeding, they all possess a unique blend of intelligence. Like social intelligence, linguistic intelligence, interpersonal intelligence, mathametical / logical intelligence, etc etc.

    And laziness plays a huge role too. Because if you lack skills, and lack certain forms of intelligence ... quite frankly, you are ****ed.

    I've seen some younger people come into IM, and become successful really quick. And to me, its always obvious why. They are usually very creative people, but they are also very organized and focused.

    And you have to understand, creativity and organization are on 2 complete opposite sides of the spectrum.

    People who are extremely creative, the artistic types, don't tend to be very organized people. But people who are gifted organizers... don't tend to be very creative.

    In my case, I'm more creative than I am organized.

    So one of my main problems is channeling my creativity in an organized way. I can work on 1 youtube video for 6 days straight. Or the design of a website for 6 months straight. And I wind up wasting a lot of time.

    This is why every successful business has "creators and organizers". The creators innovate, they make new trends, the organizers tell them when they're wasting too much time, they keep them focused on the end goal, and most importantly they set deadlines. While on the other hand, creative people suck at setting deadlines. They rarely ever look at the clock.

    So as a marketer, you need to be both these people at once. And its not always easy to do.

    More importantly, because I don't want to rant forever, Eban Pagan has a seminar online called "Get Altitude". I don't like advocating piracy, but I downloaded his seminar illegally a few years ago. Its 15 DVDs, each DVD is 2 hours long, and it will save you about 10 years worth of learning.

    It is 30 hours of premium quality, information packed content. It was one of the most valuable seminars I ever saw, and I have actually rewatched all 30 hours about 2-3 times.

    On top of that, you need to use "modeling" to your advantage. A great way to learn is by copying people who are successful. And I hate to bash Warrior Forum, but you can't copy people on here because most of them want to charge you xxx amount of money for some shit WSO that covers .0001% of everything you really need to know. Occasionally you find nuggets of gold here and there, but you never get to see a person succeed from step 1, all the way to success.

    On blackhatworld, there is an "im journey" section. And I honestly wish WF had one because its one of the most valuable places on the entire internet for newbie marketers. But once again, if people ever ran a long term, profitable case study on here, they would probably delete their thread immediately then sell it off as a WSO and leave out 90% of the details.

    On here, everything is fragmented, and for a newbie, it can be impossible to piece everything together. Their only real option is to buy WSOs. But the WSO section is so infiltrated with trash, that they are more likely to go broke trying to find someone to model, as opposed to going to a more charitable forum that actually believes in helping people out.

    Again, I don't want to bash Warrior Forum.. or dare I say, sound like a socialist. I love capitalism and I love WF. I've learned some great things on here. But some of the most practical / profitable things I learned were not from this forum. And when you step back and really turn up your radar, you see that WF is about 95% newbies, they are like minnows swimming around aimlessly (like sperm do). Then 5% of the forum is sharks circling those newbies on a daily basis just waiting for the faintest scent of blood.

    I hate to leave off on this note. But I think you catch my drift. Get organized, find the right information, in its complete form. Then model it from beginning to end. Thats really the best advice I can give any newbie.

    -Red
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    No it's not hard. The problem with this industry and for those pursuing it, is that people come here and expect to make quick money with minimal efforts. In any other industry, people know that there is a price for success. I don't know why they come here and expect the world in exchange for minimal effort.

    People think that there is some 'secret'.

    The real secret is there really isn't one but this...

    Perseverance is the Key!
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    People want a quick and easy solution to their problems.

    When they realize it isn't so quick and easy, they try to jump onto something else which also isn't quick and easy, starting the entire process all over again. I know I've been there so many times.
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    • Profile picture of the author kingde
      Originally Posted by rmolina88 View Post

      People want a quick and easy solution to their problems.

      When they realize it isn't so quick and easy, they try to jump onto something else which also isn't quick and easy, starting the entire process all over again. I know I've been there so many times.
      What's the quick and easy way out of that loop?
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  • Profile picture of the author paulie123
    Because for the majority of people...MMO is NOT the niche they should be in! Everyone has a unique skill set in something...and that is what they should be offering and not so-called money-making programs.
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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    * Because making money online is difficult. It depends on knowledge, skills, JV partners, affiliates, tools, money, and a lot more. The impression that making money online is easy is totally false.

    * Because you have many competitors who are very powerful and won't let you threaten their business.

    * Because most people are lazy and ignorant, but they try to make money online because they believe that they can find a way to mislead the public and sell their horrible products, or find a way to sell other people's horrible products thanks to their marketing techniques. This method works in the beginning, but its success doesn't last long.

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  • Profile picture of the author ElijahM
    It's not any harder than starting a traditional business but the perception that it should be easier and require less investment makes it seem so.
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  • Profile picture of the author az wan
    There is only one reason. :p
    to much shiny object outside there.
    Get addicted
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  • Profile picture of the author KevMason
    MMO is like any other industry online, it has those within it that are serious and can add real value to the marketplace, then there is others that just see an opportunity and are going through the motions.

    I feel once done right, anyone can succeed in IM as it is such a broad industry, however as "rohit36" mentioned you must have experience in order to be able to teach/coach or create informational products that your audience will that useful and put into action.

    Like all things most people give up once they do not get the results they desire, (I call this the PAIN) no matter the industry all successful people need to go through this, I do feel that this is compounded by the misleading, outdated and sometime poor quality of products that are within our marketplace.

    I guess not every product will be good that's just standard right? In order for the whole IM/MMO niche to improve all those that educate must pledge to keep pace with the market, otherwise it will only go in the wrong direction and those entering it will find it even more difficult to succeed.



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  • Profile picture of the author guitarizma
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    Originally Posted by Chris30K View Post

    Why is it so hard for many people to be successful when it comes to making money online?
    That's a myth!

    Making money [online or offline] would always involve work that many are not willing to do. By WORK I mean hard, smart and goal oriented.

    Anyone who does WORK does make money. PERIOD!

    Now, knowing what works and what doesn't is a totally different ball game altogether, but that again requires the urge to "know".

    So, it all boils down to how much you are willing to put in [not necessarily financial investment - a lot of methods don't need any investment at all and still work] before calling it quits.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketerExpert
    That's because most of them are not passionate about what they do!

    Know what you are doing & never give up, following the two lines don't hurt a lot, but in every niche, the sentences are true
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  • Profile picture of the author frankliu
    maybe have many reasons
    1 do not build effective funnel
    2 do not use effective seo method like guest post
    3 always find free, cheap method or traffic . waste time
    4 do not create your own product , always be a buyer
    5 zero-cost or cheap = need more time =slow result=slow success
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