If cash gifting was legal, would you do it?

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Would you consider cash gifting an ethical and fair activity if it was NOT a pyramid or Ponzi-type scheme?

I am NOT a member of a cash gifting program, and in some ways it seems "below" me if I could sound so snobby about it. But someone has told me about a large group that supposedly has been doing this gifting activity in such a legal fashion that it has existed now for over 12 years.

I remain skeptical but I wonder: Let's say they COULD prove it was legal to my satisfaction -- would I still want to do it? The structure seems fair and the opportunity is equal for everyone and there are no downlines, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author SunilTanna
    If it was really a gift, you would not be expecting anything in return.

    I would be happy to accept cash gifts given to me on that basis, by you or anybody else. Like I said, remember the basis - give me money, but don't expect anything back - because you ain't gonna get it,

    However that is not what you are talking about. You are talking abou a scheme where people give money in the expectation, that people who join after them will in turn give them money. That is an archetypal pyramid scheme. In most countries illegal (don't assume that not caught yet makes something legal - there are lots of other criminal activities that haven't been caught yet too. For example, not every murderer, burglar, or drug dealer gets caught, but their activities are still illegal).

    Furthermore this type of scheme will inevitably lose money for the majority of participants. This is easy to prove mathematically. Consider the scheme at any moment in time... At any moment there are always more people who have given "gifts" and are waiting for new people to join, than have received. This is always true at any moment, or all moments in time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post

    Would you consider cash gifting an ethical and fair activity if it was NOT a pyramid or Ponzi-type scheme?

    I am NOT a member of a cash gifting program, and in some ways it seems "below" me if I could sound so snobby about it. But someone has told me about a large group that supposedly has been doing this gifting activity in such a legal fashion that it has existed now for over 12 years.

    I remain skeptical but I wonder: Let's say they COULD prove it was legal to my satisfaction -- would I still want to do it? The structure seems fair and the opportunity is equal for everyone and there are no downlines, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    You can gift, just stay w/in the law.

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    • Profile picture of the author angshuy2k
      It does actually depend on how you are gifting and for what you are gifting. I know that in certain area, we do cash generation syndicate and with this system we actually generate money for everyone and give it as a gift by turn. However, it can be very risky as after accumulating huge sum of money one might decide to run away after his/her cut.
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      • Profile picture of the author BillyBee
        Good comments, thanks. From my research with the IRS, it's clear that you can give and receive cash gifts from one individual to another in an amount under $13,000 without tax ramifications.

        My bigger concern is that as a group, it could get into hot water, even if everyone is signing legal documents stating clearly that they are freely giving a gift without any expectation of anything in return.

        This group makes it clear it's a private activity and not a business, but I know that a pattern of actions can indicate a business-like intent, and that's my main concern.

        Question: What sort of attorney could take a look at this and give me a verdict? Is there a specialty in law that deals with this sort of thing?
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  • Profile picture of the author vivo
    There are lending clubs, which are slightly different, but operate in the same concept.
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  • Profile picture of the author Winlin
    A ponzi scheme, is a ponzi scheme, is a ponzi shceme. No matter how much you convince yourself what you are doing is legal, ethical, or moral. Somehow I think you already know that, but want to convince yourself otherwise, by convincing others first.
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    • Profile picture of the author ErinWalsh
      Originally Posted by Winlin View Post

      A ponzi scheme, is a ponzi scheme, is a ponzi shceme. No matter how much you convince yourself what you are doing is legal, ethical, or moral. Somehow I think you already know that, but want to convince yourself otherwise, by convincing others first.
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  • Why is cash giving not legal? I thought what you have you can give to who ever you want that is what personal liberty and freedom is all about???? Am I missing something?
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    Cash gifting legality varies from one jurisdiction to another.

    Personally, I wouldn't be involved with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    If someone wants to send me cash as a gift I'll gladly accept. And I'll promise not to tell.
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    • Profile picture of the author DJL
      Originally Posted by BradVert2013 View Post

      If someone wants to send me cash as a gift I'll gladly accept. And I'll promise not to tell.
      Me, too.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    Why would someone even want to get involved with something like this when there are so many legitimate and legal ways to make a great living online? I don't think there is anything wrong with giving someone a cash gift. It's done all the time for holidays, birthdays, etc. However, dressing up a ponzi scheme as a cash gifting program is definitely unethical and illegal. Like I said, there are plenty of legit ways to earn money online. If something has even the slightest possibility of being illegal, then I would steer clear of it completely. In the end it just isn't worth it no matter how much money you could make.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Is this a joke? I have never heard of this and it doesn't seem like a viable business model at all!
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  • Profile picture of the author AmandaJane
    Originally Posted by BillyBee View Post

    Would you consider cash gifting an ethical and fair activity if it was NOT a pyramid or Ponzi-type scheme?

    I am NOT a member of a cash gifting program, and in some ways it seems "below" me if I could sound so snobby about it. But someone has told me about a large group that supposedly has been doing this gifting activity in such a legal fashion that it has existed now for over 12 years.

    I remain skeptical but I wonder: Let's say they COULD prove it was legal to my satisfaction -- would I still want to do it? The structure seems fair and the opportunity is equal for everyone and there are no downlines, but I'm curious to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks.
    I would suggest not, just to be sure. There might be a 'catch'.
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