[ATTN: WSO SELLERS] Affiliate Fraud Explained - And 7 simple tricks to get your money back NOW

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Nothing worse to start your day off grumpy than to wake up with 5 of those emails staring at you

Surprised no one has figured this out over all these years. I searched the threads and I could not find anyone sharing how to get your money back after they do this.

Well, me never being the person to just let things go, I HAD to figure out what was happening. Took me awhile to figure out because these scammers are pretty slick.

The first few times I got the dispute it was my first wso every so I just logged into paypal, sent their money back and went on about my day.

Easy enough.

Then they just kept coming... and they will.. unless you stop them.

So here is exactly what they do (Don't ask me HOW they do it because I have no idea. I'm not a scammer. Just know they are doing this every single day):

1.They will sign up as your affiliate. You check out the profile and they have decent stats so it looks fine and you approve them.

2. They purchase your product from another account through their own affiliate link giving themselves the commission. Usually when you are offering 100% but they will do it to anyone that will approve them

3. They file a paypal dispute claim. Now this is the part I couldn't figure out. Why would so many customers file a claim instead of just requesting a simple refund like most do. Then when I would email them I realized... NONE of these dispute people were ever responding. :confused:

hmmmm curious.

So I tried to refund them inside of warrior plus ..... and THAT is when I figured it out

When they file a dispute it puts a hold on the entire transaction. So warrior plus is locked out of that transaction.

What this means?

You refund through paypal out of your money - Affiliate keeps the commission. So you basically just paid THEM the price of your product.

Typically, when you refund someone inside of warriorplus, it will automatically take the funds back from wherever they went. So if it was an affiliate purchase, then it will take back the commission to refund the buyer. But if the dispute blocks it, they keep it and it is money out of your pocket that you never got in the first place.

BUT THERE IS GOOD NEWS!!!

I had about 28 of these over the past 3 months and I successfully got every single one of them back!

Here is how to do it:

1. When you get the dispute log into your paypal, view the dispute and get the original buyer email and transaction ID

2. Cross check that inside your warriorplus (or any affiliate network) to see if an affiliate got paid for that purchase by searching by buyer email or transaction ID

3. 99% of the time you will see there WAS an affiliate paid



4. Go back to paypal and click "find a transaction"

5. Search that specific date only and scroll for that amount that the dispute was.

6. Right above it you will see the transaction with a minus (-) sign going out showing the money you sent to the affiliate.

7. THE BEST STEP OF ALL:

YOU FILE A DISPUTE AGAINST THEIR COMMISSION!!!

That's right. The EXACT same thing they did to you to cheat you, you can do right back to get your money back.

8. Wait a few days and escalate to a claim. If they dont respond in the amount of time, paypal will return your ill gotten commission.

I actually called paypal ahead of time and explained the whole thing and already knew the scam so it wasn't anything new. But he did say he put a "review" status on my account so they knew that I would be filing a bunch of disputes against all the past ones I had already resolved.

But over the next few weeks following, paypal gave me back every last one!

Here is what you do next:

1. obviously ban that affiliate or check "auto-deny" for future promotion because it will be tough trying to keep up with all of them

2. Go to that warrior's profile and post something on the visitor wall to let other product owners know ahead of time

It seems before approving an affiliate most will go to the visitor wall and check out the profile before approving.

No we will not stop all of them because they just keep creating new accounts and doing it all over again.. but at least we can slow them down.

A few things to look out for before approving an affiliate

1. ALWAYS check their profile first.

If they just joined yesterday - deny

Zero posts - Deny

Other warriors have mentioned something on the wall - Deny

2. Check their stats

One of the DEAD giveways that I noticed across ALL of the fraud accounts I found:

THEY HAD A 0% refund rate! Yeah... what should normally be an awesome stat... actually can be a sign of fraud. I mean, no one, product owners or affiliates can never have 100's of sales and not a single refund. I mean, I guess it is possible. But I have found that most of my best affiliates all have something showing in the refund rate. It happens. So what.

So if you see 500-1000 sales and 0% refund rate - DENY! RARE! Trust me. I have purchased WSO's that were brilliant that I would have gladly paid 100 times as much for it and STILL would have felt I got my money's worth and seen them totally ripped apart on the thread with refund requests. Even the best of the best gets refunds.

READ: They have 0% refund rate because they file the dispute so you can NEVER refund their commission

Another sure sign: They have almost a 100% conversion rate. If they have 7 clicks and 7 sales... It would be a safe bet to say you are going to get about 5-7 paypal disputes of the next few weeks. But you will only see this stat AFTER you got the dispute. I wouldn't go denying people while the sales are coming in lol

Just be smart about who you approve. It was my first wso and no one told me about this so I was just happy to see someone wanted to promote my product since I was a newcomer here so I foolishly was approving everyone.

So I wanted to share this to hopefully help out others who may still not understand what is happening, how to get your money back or someone who may be thinking about launching their first product and approves everyone hoping to get noticed.


(I was going to add a bunch of screen shots walking through this process but I figured most product owners know how to navigate paypal and warriorplus. If I am wrong let me know and I will add more or make a video walking through this process
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  • Profile picture of the author OnlineAddict
    If the product sucks, there are going to be disputes, its no rocket science and no conspiracy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
    lol yeah.. that is obvious. This is not refering to legitamate refund requests from unhappy customers.

    This is specifically for those who have affiliates who have 10 clicks, 10 sales, 10 disputes.

    But thanks for chiming in with that every so valuable post
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  • Profile picture of the author Bruce NewMedia
    Excellent post...you did all the leg work for anyone who is selling products on WF and having this happen. I know, because exactly what you described has happened to me. And I ended up paying the scammer and could not recover anything (because I didn't know how).

    Your comment about the Warrior+ stats showing 'no refunds' or phenomenal stats is right on, also. I was puzzled when I would check affiliate requests and see unreal, super high conversions from almost brand new members. It's important to do additional research before approving anybody today.

    Great Information Coach!
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    • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
      Originally Posted by Bruce NewMedia View Post

      Excellent post...you did all the leg work for anyone who is selling products on WF and having this happen. I know, because exactly what you described has happened to me. And I ended up paying the scammer and could not recover anything (because I didn't know how).

      Your comment about the Warrior+ stats showing 'no refunds' or phenomenal stats is right on, also. I was puzzled when I would check affiliate requests and see unreal, super high conversions from almost brand new members. It's important to do additional research before approving anybody today.

      Great Information Coach!
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      Bruce
      You welcome Bruce. Hope this helps someone. I had this also happen in products I have listed in Digiresults.

      They got 3 sales of a high ticket product I still had listed with ZERO hops HA!

      And it was for a product where the sales page wasn't even complete yet because I wasn't even promoting it. Had actually forgot about it.

      So I was not surprised to see the first dispute come in. But then I just refunded the other 2 asap inside DigiResults and banned that affiliate before the other 2 disputes came in.

      They wont all be that obvious... but it is good to know how to handle it when you figure out what they are doing now
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      • Profile picture of the author SteveSki
        Great tip for stopping affiliate fraud. Wish there was a way to prevent out right theft of digital products when paid by CC via Paypal. They download the products then contact their bank or CC company and claim it was an unauthorized purchase. Paypal won't fight Visa or Mastercard. Most of my customers place orders under $200 and most who plan on buying more than that usually contact me before they purchase asking if they can get a discount on large purchases. I'm having my programmer write some code that will automatically deactivate download links on any order over $200 and notify me by sending a text to my phone. I then call the client to determine if they are trying to rip me off or not, before I manually update the status of their payment and activate their links.

        Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author Teravel
    Great information provided. I'm glad to hear you got your money back and found those in charge of the scams.

    You suggest specifics about WarriorPlus that may be helpful for future sellers. I prefer to use JVzoo as they have "Accept Delayed", which prevents these scams from starting. You can read more at What are INCOMPLETE transactions? - Powered by Kayako Resolve Help Desk Software which is the page that describes the Delayed Setting.

    Also, I wouldn't suggest posting anything on a Warrior Members public chat page.

    First, because it could get you in trouble with the Warrior Forum.
    Second, because they can delete those messages at any time.
    Third, because it's a waste of your time.

    Once you find them, and bar them from your affiliate programs, you should get back into the flow of your business. While helping the other warriors may be a great benefit, it doesn't do any good to get yourself removed from the forum or post messages that can easily be deleted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neromancer
    Thank you for this amazing post. This happened to me last year with JVZOO. Haven't had it happen here on the WF but I know what to do now if it does
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    Glad to see this posted.

    WSO vendors and JV's need to see this.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    This all comes back to the old rule. Do not approve any affiliates whom you do not already know or trust. If you do then these issues are bound to happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author LeadGenie
    It sounds like some people in this thread were actually un-happy to hear someone exposing a method that people use to commit fraud... Wonder why that is?

    Great post OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author rmolina88
    THANK YOU for this thread! Last month, I had several affiliate fraud problems for the first time in my 3 years of IM and didn't know how to deal with them other than sending back the refunds.

    Originally Posted by WillR View Post

    This all comes back to the old rule. Do not approve any affiliates whom you do not already know or trust. If you do then these issues are bound to happen.
    The problem is these scammers are actually stealing the profiles of some pretty active members that look trustworthy at first glance.
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    • Profile picture of the author WillR
      Originally Posted by rmolina88 View Post

      THANK YOU for this thread! Last month, I had several affiliate fraud problems for the first time in my 3 years of IM and didn't know how to deal with them other than sending back the refunds.



      The problem is these scammers are actually stealing the profiles of some pretty active members that look trustworthy at first glance.
      Both JVZoo and Warrior Plus now allow you to see the number of sales the affiliate has already made. If that number is low then that should be your first warning. If unsure though then you just have to contact the affiliate. But most affiliates I work with have been approved on previous products so it would be weird if they were requesting approval from me and that would also make me skeptical.
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  • Profile picture of the author kencalhn
    I like to turn over fraudsters to law enforcement for criminal investigation (most police depts have 'cybercrime' divisions); they do the IP address tracking/investigation etc. People who commit crimes, including affiliate fraud, are criminals, and it helps lots of people to bring them to justice.

    One countermeasure I'm implementing in my affiliate pgm is only accepting people from countries like USA/Canada/Singapore/UK/Australia where there's solid law enforcement. Know whom you're dealing with. For pirates, or those that run pirate forums w/memberships, or pirate sites, I find out their paypal address and report to paypal to close their account https://www.paypal.com/us/webapps/mp...gementrpt-full
    paypal's been good about closing pirate accounts, not sure if this applies to affiliate fraudsters as well. Having sharp teeth is a good thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberAlien
    Why not just call PayPal and tell them the dispute is for a digital product or service...?

    They will close the dispute over the phone most of the time after they find that out,
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
    Man, you just cant catch them all. These guys are good. But it has slowed down a ton!

    Seems like something you just can't prevent when you are doing high volume... without NEVER approving ANY affiliates.

    Something else I have been trying is sending an actual email to the affiliate first if I am not sure. Most of these fake accounts don't even bother with the email because they are doing this in mass quantity. So if you never get a reply... another bad sign.

    Hope this helps someone
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    If these fraudsters would only put their mind to honest
    endeavors we may be looking at the next Steve Jobs.

    How do they invent these schemes beats me.

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    • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      If these fraudsters would only put their mind to honest
      endeavors we may be looking at the next Steve Jobs.

      How do they invent these schemes beats me.

      -Ray Edwards
      I have no idea.

      I actually got a reply from one of them.

      Being the Coach that I am (and Pollyanna and naive... by my dad's standards ) I have been exchanging emails with him.

      Been kind of eye opening. Says he is in a 3rd world country. Has a family with kids and is in desperate need of money.

      Funny thing is, he says he learned this from someone else and never even really considered what trouble he is causing other people.

      I explained to him that you want a business model that CONTRIBUTES to the well being of others, not destroys it.

      He said he knows what he is doing is wrong but feels like he has no other choice right now. Then followed that up by asking me to teach him.

      I don't know how much of an impact I am even making. Sure it is only one person.. and it may actually be naive to think I will change him.... but I have to try. Or else.. what am I even doing
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    I have never had this problem because I always respond to all disputes. When it is a product not received problem I always respond letting the customer and PayPal know that it was a digital product and I always list the download link to the product in the dispute answer.

    PayPal always sends a copy of your reply to the customer plus PayPal knows that you have delivered the product or have supplied a way to deliver the product and I win the disputes.

    I will be contacting PayPal this evening and find out why they would block a refund when the Adaptive API is being used.

    I don't know if they are but I want to find out for sure.

    Best regards,
    Steve Yakim
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

      I will be contacting PayPal this evening and find out why they would block a refund when the Adaptive API is being used.
      When a dispute is filed by a customer, PayPal doesn't block the ability to refund the full amount from within the merchant's account.

      However, when the Adaptive Payments API is used, the Refunds API, which is what the OP is referring to, cannot be called successfully when the funds are on hold for a dispute (makes no real sense, but PayPal must have their reasons).

      In other words, PayPal is NOT blocking the merchant's ability to refund - just the mechanism that they're using to issue it.
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      • Profile picture of the author yakim1
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        When a dispute is filed by a customer, PayPal doesn't block the ability to refund the full amount from within the merchant's account.

        However, when the Adaptive Payments API is used, the Refunds API, which is what the OP is referring to, cannot be called successfully when the funds are on hold for a dispute (makes no real sense, but PayPal must have their reasons).

        In other words, PayPal is NOT blocking the merchant's ability to refund - just the mechanism that they're using to issue it.
        Hey Mike,

        Yes, I agree, I don't understand PayPal's reasons for blocking the refund API

        I just wanted to let you know that I realize what the op was saying but refunding though a paypal account instead of the refund API would leave the vendor stuck with all the refund causing the vendor to lose money on the refund.

        Since I run a platform using PayPal's Adaptive API, I want to get to the bottom as why they would block any kind of refund. I usually put in a support ticket and then call my PayPal rep.

        I also call technical support to see if there is a work around or if they have any answers why PayPal would do this as the policy would actually cause or assist in the fraudulant practise.

        I want to do everything I can to make PayPal aware of this problem.

        That is why I always challenge any disputes for non delivery of the product by giving the download link in the reply PayPal allows me to do in every dispute.

        The only disputes that I have lost with PayPal is when someone buys using a credit card and the buyer files a dispute with the credit card company and not with PayPal. As PayPal can't control what the credit card company does.

        But I have to say in all the years I have been using PayPal, this has only happened to me 3 or 4 times.

        Best regards,
        Steve Yakim
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        • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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          Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

          I just wanted to let you know that I realize what the op was saying but refunding though a paypal account instead of the refund API would leave the vendor stuck with all the refund causing the vendor to lose money on the refund.
          Not necessarily - what we've always done is explain the issue to whomever filed the dispute, asked them to close it and then we promptly issue the refund via the APi as usual. As far as I know, it's never been a problem with anyone.

          Assuming digital products, PayPal is not going to side with the buyer anyways, so there's no need to just refund from within the PayPal account. Instead, the merchant should escalate the dispute if it can't be resolved with the buyer.

          With physical products, there are other issues, but again, no reason to just issue a refund until the details are resolved.

          PayPal is aware of the issue and closemouthed (at least to us) about the reason for it. I'm guessing that the way dispute resolution is automated simply doesn't work yet with the API.

          In any event, I agree you should talk to your rep about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author snginc
            All I can say is this is absolutely genius method to get back at the scammers. I have had someone say they hadnt bought the purchase ..apparently someone had 1 used their credit card and 2 accessed their email account to confirm a verification for my product. I offered to put their paypal on jvzoo's buyer's blacklist....never heard from them again and they never pursued a refund with me!
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          • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
            Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

            what we've always done is explain the issue to whomever filed the dispute, asked them to close it and then we promptly issue the refund via the APi as usual. As far as I know, it's never been a problem with anyone.
            I've seen it be a problem and it is a big red flag you are getting scammed. Disputing the affiliate's commission is a great tip to deal with this.

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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    They will sign up as your affiliate. You check out the profile and they have decent stats so it looks fine and you approve them.
    Lol, you set yourself up for scams when you approve affiliate's based on stats

    Most affiliate's will not make any sales, so it's not worth approving anybody you don't know. When approving affiliate's, it should be based on reputation, people you know sell products and know they would never risk their reputation over a few sales

    Helpful thread, on how to recover the funds though
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    Hey Gang,

    I'm reporting back after talking to PayPal as promised...

    I talked to PayPal and filed a ticket on this problem with the adaptive API. I told PayPal they were inducing and assisting fraudsters with their policy of not allowing the adaptive refund API to function when a dispute has been filed. So far this is the answer I have received...

    I believe that's what going to happen when your transaction has a dispute filed and you will receive AMOUNT_EXCEEDS_REFUNDABLE error when you try to refund a transaction. I saw your other ticket, 131230-*******, and I believe the question in this is related. The agent who's working on that ticket are in contact with the team who is in charge of the Adaptive Payment product I and he's going to find an ideal solution for this matter with you. I hope you're not confused when he says he's going to have a discussion with the Adaptive Payment product owner, as what he's try to say is that he will approach the team who is in charge of the Adaptive Payment product in our internal team.

    So hopefully there will be a coming solution to this fraud problem.

    Best regards,
    Steve Yakim
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    • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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      Originally Posted by yakim1 View Post

      Hey Gang,

      I'm reporting back after talking to PayPal as promised...

      I talked to PayPal and filed a ticket on this problem with the adaptive API. I told PayPal they were inducing and assisting fraudsters with their policy of not allowing the adaptive refund API to function when a dispute has been filed. So far this is the answer I have received...

      I believe that's what going to happen when your transaction has a dispute filed and you will receive AMOUNT_EXCEEDS_REFUNDABLE error when you try to refund a transaction. I saw your other ticket, 131230-*******, and I believe the question in this is related. The agent who's working on that ticket are in contact with the team who is in charge of the Adaptive Payment product I and he's going to find an ideal solution for this matter with you. I hope you're not confused when he says he's going to have a discussion with the Adaptive Payment product owner, as what he's try to say is that he will approach the team who is in charge of the Adaptive Payment product in our internal team.

      So hopefully there will be a coming solution to this fraud problem.

      Best regards,
      Steve Yakim
      Steve,

      Don't get your hopes up - this has been an ongoing problem for more than four years. PayPal has promised again and again to do something about it, but they never have.

      I will be more than happy to be wrong about it though
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      • Profile picture of the author yakim1
        Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

        Steve,

        Don't get your hopes up - this has been an ongoing problem for more than four years. PayPal has promised again and again to do something about it, but they never have.

        I will be more than happy to be wrong about it though
        I hope your wrong also, I put it in the tone that PayPal was supporting and enabling the fraud with their policies and did a lengthy explaination. I also said it is bad for their reputation that this fraud problem is really starting to circulate about their system Because I learned about it in a marketing forum.

        I've been trying to attack this problem from different angles and departments at PayPal.

        I don't know if it will help or not but I have based my software on PayPal's Adaptive platform and I'm unhappy with this policy.

        It will be one thing if it is just a policy problem and another if it is a software design problem. Policy may not be that hard to change but a software issue may take much longer or not happen at all.

        Best regards,
        Steve Yakim
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  • Profile picture of the author dee4d
    This thread is quite insightful. Sometimes, you may overlook the validity of an affiliate, and if you can stop any fraudster from reaping the benefits of other people's work, that is in order. I believe you can outdo them in their own game, and with this info, it will happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ben_Doyle
    This happened to me last year and I lost just over $6k.

    I'm going to be launching a WSO in the next few days and this was a really big concern for me and I emailed WSP Pro this morning about it.

    Thanks a lot for posting this.

    I have it bookmarked!

    Ben
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    This is the reason I love Warrior forum, there's always someone who can help you with a situation you think you're facing alone! Great thread, very very helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Lucas
    Brilliant thread, thanks a lot Coach.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim_Carter
    Or do it the easy way that works 100% of the time.

    1. Escalate to a claim
    2. Put in the description - Digital downloadable product.
    3. You win. Buyer protection does not cover intangible goods. See Paypal TOS.

    I have won every single dispute since 2005 on digital products.
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    • Profile picture of the author kindsvater
      Originally Posted by Tim_Carter View Post

      Or do it the easy way that works 100% of the time.

      1. Escalate to a claim
      2. Put in the description - Digital downloadable product.
      3. You win. Buyer protection does not cover intangible goods. See Paypal TOS.

      I have won every single dispute since 2005 on digital products.
      The problem is scammers know this too. That is why disputes come in as "unauthorized payment" which circumvents the digital download TOS issue.

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  • Profile picture of the author 1984toPresent
    Great information. I will definitely save this.
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  • Profile picture of the author ASG1123
    What you said is true. Great informative post on averting fraud.

    However, the other angle is of genuine refunds, where the product itself sucks. It is a bitter truth that some of the most popular products in each category on sites like CB & others are pure fraud or have little value when compared to what the actual product advertisement says.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarketingBees
    Can't believe 2 people have now come onto, what is a BRILLIANT thread for WSO vendors, and completely missed the point by a LONG SHOT.

    This is for LEGITIMATE WSO Vendors being scammed and how to get one over the scammers! End of!
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    Wow Thank you so much for this thread. In November of 2012 I had an issue like this with one of my JVZoo products and never could figure out what was happening.

    I had approved an affiliate that I did not know for instant commissions (big mistake I know) on a $19.95 product I was selling (with 75% commission). Low and behold the affiliate made 12 sales over the course of two days. I was delighted and thought I had found a really good affiliate.

    About 3-4 weeks later I started getting chargebacks on these sales. Over the course of 5 days every single sale resulted in a chargeback. I ended up having to refund the entire purchase price back to the credit card holder who filed the chargeback and I got hit with a $20 processing fee for EACH chargeback. Needless to say I was NOT a happy camper that week.

    Basically what it amounted to was that I had paid the affiliate their commission immediately when they made the sale, then I had refunded the ENTIRE product price back to the "card holder" (who was undoubtedly a fraudster), and then I got hit with a $20 fee for each chargeback.

    After reading this thread, I now believe that it was the same type of affiliate fraud discussed here, but instead of filing disputes they had paid with credit cards and then filed chargebacks.

    Not sure if you can overcome chargebacks the way you can overcome the disputes.

    The hard lesson I learned was NEVER approve any affiliate you don't know for instant commissions. If you approve them for "delayed" commissions and hold them in your account for 60 days, affiliate fraud isn't likely to happen because that's longer than the 45-day period allowed by PayPal to file disputes.

    In fact, unless I recognize the affiliate as someone I know from this forum or have worked with in the past, I set everyone to "delayed" commissions.

    I'm really grateful for this thread because at least I now have an idea what occurred.
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  • Profile picture of the author amalgam
    Interesting and informative post.

    However, Alex Blades is right. Most affiliates will not make any sales. And why risk your reputation or worse for a few extra sales.

    Automatically approving affiliates or approving them based on stats is a poor way to build a business. If you are serious about your business, some type of interview process and checking on the potential affiliate is a must.

    Furthermore, what is often overlooked with discussions about affiliates are the possible legal consequences for the company running the affiliate program. Internet marketers in many cases
    can be held responsible for violations committed by their affiliates. Also, there are legal obligations for Internet marketers who have affiliate programs.

    The FTC (Federal Trade Commission) has requirements for Internet marketers about their affiliates, part of which are they have programs to train and monitor their affiliates.

    After a recent FTC settlement for $250,000 against Legacy, the court order required the Legacy to include the following business practices:

    At a minimum, the company will set up and maintain a system to monitor and review affiliates’ representations and disclosures to ensure compliance with Parts, I and II of the order. Within 30 days — and semi-annually after that — the company will determine its top 50 revenue-generating affiliates. At least once a month, Legacy will visit their sites to review their representations and disclosures. The order specifies that it has to be done in a way designed not to disclose to the affiliates whom they’re being monitored. For the rest of its affiliates, Legacy will monitor a random sample of 50 sites at least once a month.

    Although chargebacks can hurt, they pale by comparison to the possible legal problems and loss of reputation do to incompetent and criminal affiliates.
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    • Profile picture of the author gearmex
      also note on you doing the disputes, its not recommended, i got my paypal limited because of that (i was disputing fraudsters) and then my paypal account manager said, why i do this? it affects negatively on my account standing...i did not know this and finally they limited my account but gladly is back to good standing now, so think about that if you make lot of disputes (i have business account if anyone wonder)
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
    Great information you guys. I have learned so much in the time that has passed and from all you helpful warriors. Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author bob33229
    So scammers got scammed! Most of the WSOs are nothing but scam. Have you ever figured out how others felt when you scammed them?

    No offense to OP.
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  • Profile picture of the author NicheService
    Thanks for sharing these tips. What can be learned is:

    1. Do not approve anyone you do not know or trust.

    2. Do not approve someone based on stats, but based on reputation, ie, people you know sell products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
    Yeah man. Sorry that happened to you. I actually just stopped approving affiliates all together!

    Only about 5% actually bring in any sales .. and most of the "true" good affiliates who are really interested in your specific product.. and not just looking for any ol thing to promote, will reach out to you and ask if you don't approve them.

    Just my personal opinion.

    Unless you hit wso of the day... then everyone wants to promote if your numbers are good. In that case.. You can be a bit more lenient on who you approve.

    Problem solved
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  • Profile picture of the author Coach Comeback
    With the new changes in price.. I see people launching and bumping like CRAZY right now..

    The scammers are going to have a field day! This is just a friendly reminder to the new product creators out there. Pay attention
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