Thinking about freelance writing, i'm trying to make a nice amount of money before Christmas...

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I'm thinking about freelance writing, i'm trying to make a nice amount of money before Christmas to buy certain things for people in my family that has always been there for me (I don't have a job and can't find one smh). What would you guys recommend for me to do, so i could quickly get some clients ?

Should i go sign up on freelance.com, Odesk and sites like that to quickly get clients ? How many sample articles should you write to have for portfolio ? I am so serious about this that "if" i have to write for cheap pay to get clients quickly then so be it (I'm from the U.S. so i would like to get more cash for articles but I'm willing to make sacrifice to meet my goals). I have plenty of time on my hands and have nothing to lose.

Edit - What's a better route to go when building reputation in the freelance writing world instead of writing for super cheap? Are there any sites that's similar to Odesk, freelance.com and such but has higher paying clients?
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    Freelance sites AREN'T the way to go. The lowest bidding filipino (no offense intended) seems to win every time.

    Post an ad on the Warrior For Hire section. That's the only way you'll get clients FAST (if you can write good copy). Try to rack up some customer testimonials with free review copies.
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    • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
      Originally Posted by JRJWrites View Post

      Freelance sites AREN'T the way to go. The lowest bidding filipino (no offense intended) seems to win every time.

      Post an ad on the Warrior For Hire section. That's the only way you'll get clients FAST (if you can write good copy). Try to rack up some customer testimonials with free review copies.
      I was thinking about doing that too, that maybe the best option to go with...
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
    Originally Posted by imagoodguy View Post

    I have plenty of time on my hands and have nothing to lose.
    Though you may have nothing to lose, you only have 9 days until Christmas Day, so I'm afraid the time on your hands bit isn't entirely accurate.

    Nice long term idea but you don't have long to keep "thinking" about it if you wish buy presents with from it.
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    • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
      Originally Posted by Richard Van View Post

      Though you may have nothing to lose, you only have 9 days until Christmas Day, so I'm afraid the time on your hands bit isn't entirely accurate.

      Nice long term idea but you don't have long to keep "thinking" about it if you wish buy presents with from it.
      That's definitely true, I was thinking the same thing. I have some money saved up but I just want to get more, also I'm gonna do freelance writing regardless. I have a love for writing, I've recently found this out. I've been writing every single day for the last couple of months and it's like a habit now...
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  • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
    With your time frame...

    ...Freelance sites are the way to go.

    Get on Elance NOW.

    And bid bid bid away.

    You will need to write for a tiny amount for the first few days, providing you are cranking out 3-5 jobs per day.

    You can then steadily raise your prices, due to our good reviews.

    My only concern would be that the client takes a while to review you. You should come to an agreement where the client will review you as soon as he/she has checked the work over.

    You'll be grafting HARD if you want to get money for Christmas, but this will provide you with a portfolio to take the longer but more rewarding method after Christmas.

    When writing your proposals I have a few tricks, stolen from others and some made up myself.

    Here's a sample:

    WOAH! Hey there.

    I hope that caught your attention!

    I have just read your post and I think it is really cool that you are writing articles to help people who are looking to get fit!

    Reading proposal after proposal can be boring! So, I have created mine on Prezi... just for you! Check it out:

    (prezi link)

    (If you have anything in your portfolio link them to it here, it can either be hosted on Elance or your own site).

    I would love to work with you on this project!

    I look forward to hearing from you.

    Chris,

    P.S. As you can see I am new to Elance, but I am a kick-ass writer. I'm currently offering my services out cheap! Get in touch.

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    I always put the details of my proposal in Prezi. It's creative and separates you from all the other formal and boring proposals.

    I believe Prezi offer a 1 month free trial.

    You could also put in a youtube video. I have a baby face, so despite being 20, I can generally be looked at as though I'm 16 haha! Check out my picture on my site if you like.

    The bulk of that proposal is taken from a website designer who posted how to do it, so credit there.

    You want to personalise you proposal as much as possible. So look down their review list, you may find things like names and things they liked about the freelancers they have worked with. Include all this in your total proposal. Don't repeat yourself though. Apart from names, names are fine.

    Crack it out and I'm sure you could make $100 a day.

    It's a hell of a lot of work though. And some topics you write about will bore you to death.

    Focus on the end goal and don't allow yourself to procrastinate.

    Take breaks every hour or so.

    Spend your evenings with friends, it's easy to become a social recluse.

    Good luck bud.

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    • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
      Originally Posted by Chriswrighto View Post

      With your time frame...

      ...Freelance sites are the way to go.

      Get on Elance NOW.

      And bid bid bid away.

      You will need to write for a tiny amount for the first few days, providing you are cranking out 3-5 jobs per day.

      You can then steadily raise your prices, due to our good reviews.

      My only concern would be that the client takes a while to review you. You should come to an agreement where the client will review you as soon as he/she has checked the work over.

      You'll be grafting HARD if you want to get money for Christmas, but this will provide you with a portfolio to take the longer but more rewarding method after Christmas.

      When writing your proposals I have a few tricks, stolen from others and some made up myself.

      Here's a sample:

      WOAH! Hey there.

      I hope that caught your attention!

      I have just read your post and I think it is really cool that you are writing articles to help people who are looking to get fit!

      Reading proposal after proposal can be boring! So, I have created mine on Prezi... just for you! Check it out:

      (prezi link)

      (If you have anything in your portfolio link them to it here, it can either be hosted on Elance or your own site).

      I would love to work with you on this project!

      I look forward to hearing from you.

      Chris,

      P.S. As you can see I am new to Elance, but I am a kick-ass writer. I'm currently offering my services out cheap! Get in touch.

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      I always put the details of my proposal in Prezi. It's creative and separates you from all the other formal and boring proposals.

      I believe Prezi offer a 1 month free trial.

      You could also put in a youtube video. I have a baby face, so despite being 20, I can generally be looked at as though I'm 16 haha! Check out my picture on my site if you like.

      The bulk of that proposal is taken from a website designer who posted how to do it, so credit there.

      You want to personalise you proposal as much as possible. So look down their review list, you may find things like names and things they liked about the freelancers they have worked with. Include all this in your total proposal. Don't repeat yourself though. Apart from names, names are fine.

      Crack it out and I'm sure you could make $100 a day.

      It's a hell of a lot of work though. And some topics you write about will bore you to death.

      Focus on the end goal and don't allow yourself to procrastinate.

      Take breaks every hour or so.

      Spend your evenings with friends, it's easy to become a social recluse.

      Good luck bud.

      Chris
      Thank you so much for this! I really appreciate it, this will definitely come in handy. One problem I've always had was procrastination, it held me back for long time from different things I really was interested in. For the last couple I've been writing every single day, now it's a hobby. Procrastination is something i will ever let hold me back again. Thanks for the advice Chris...
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    • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
      Originally Posted by Chriswrighto View Post

      With your time frame...

      ...Freelance sites are the way to go.
      He. Needs. Money. Now.

      At eLance, ain't nobody gonna pick the dud with no reviews, unless you get some dunderhead with too much money that what he knows what to do with.

      With a WF ad, most IMs here are willing to help you out, give you a job, see if you're worth your stockings.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chriswrighto
        Originally Posted by JRJWrites View Post

        He. Needs. Money. Now.

        At eLance, ain't nobody gonna pick the dud with no reviews, unless you get some dunderhead with too much money that what he knows what to do with.

        With a WF ad, most IMs here are willing to help you out, give you a job, see if you're worth your stockings.
        Which is exactly why Elance is the way to go.

        You can get money within hours or signing up. No need to do a freebie review copy.

        You can do $20 per article on Elance from the off. With no reviews.

        Both ideas are good, within the desired time frame.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    Going on elance, odesk etc. as a writer FROM THE US or any halfway decent writer who can in-deed write is the same as if you would own a very expensive watch (or car, or PC, whatever) and go to the shabbiest oriental flea-market because you think you can get good money for it.

    If you have the determination and nerve to write $3 - $4 articles amongst the CHEAPEST writers FOR the cheapest clients, then go ahead. Ultimately you find out you will write yourself silly for..literally change. The only benefit MIGHT be that it's a way to get started quickly and build a reputation which you can then later use when you start real writing jobs....however, don't expect anyone being impressed telling them you did freelance writing on odesk...because if anything this would be a negative on a portfolio telling a potential new client you wrote $4 articles...in the same way as it doesn't look good to say you wrote for ezinearticles.... my $0.02

    For me, the entire concept of "bidding" for a job ("who offers the work the cheapest?") is absurd and I avoid those sites and also content mills like iwriter like the plague. (For example, Iwriter pays after fees for non-premium only $2.60 for 500 words....in other words...it's literally NOTHING. A beggar on the streets can make more money).

    Also..if you sign up new on any of those sites, you won't have a history and track record. You will be the "new guy" who hasn't anything to show, competing against 20-50 other people for the same job who will not only under-bid you for the job, they will also likely have reputation and testimonials you, as a newbie, won't have. Obviously, nothing of that (your bidding price and lack of track record on odesk, elance etc.) has nothing to do with whether you would actually be a good match for the job. Clients will look mostly look at the price...AND the rep someone has and then choose those.
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    • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      Going on elance, odesk etc. as a writer FROM THE US or any halfway decent writer who can in-deed write is the same as if you would own a very expensive watch (or car, or PC, whatever) and go to the shabbiest oriental flea-market because you think you can get good money for it.

      If you have the determination and nerve to write $3 - $4 articles amongst the CHEAPEST writers FOR the cheapest clients, then go ahead. Ultimately you find out you will write yourself silly for..literally change. The only benefit MIGHT be that it's a way to get started quickly and build a reputation which you can then later use when you start real writing jobs....however, don't expect anyone being impressed telling them you did freelance writing on odesk...because if anything this would be a negative on a portfolio telling a potential new client you wrote $4 articles...in the same way as it doesn't look good to say you wrote for ezinearticles.... my $0.02
      Thanks for the feedback, I understand what you mean. What would you recommend for me to do? What's a better route to go when building reputation in the freelance writing world instead of writing for super cheap? I'm opened to any advice and suggestions...
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      • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
        Originally Posted by imagoodguy View Post

        Thanks for the feedback, I understand what you mean. What would you recommend for me to do? What's a better route to go when building reputation in the freelance writing world instead of writing for super cheap? I'm opened to any advice and suggestions...
        What are you writing about everyday? Since you are doing this, start writing articles. Spend some time reading and searching on this site. Go to the Warriors for Hire forum and look at all of the ads providing content (writing). Look at their ads, prices and samples. Pick some niche topics that interest you and people are making money in (weight loss, dating, etc. - there is a whole bunch of topics you can choose) and start writing a 500 word to 1000 word article on those topics.

        You can get a domain and hosting for pretty cheap. Load up a free WP site and the articles you write. You now have a portfolio with sample work you can show to potential clients. Like everyone else, forget (don't focus) on making X amount of dollars by Christmas - there just isn't a lot of time left.

        However, you can use Christmas as a target date. Set the goal for yourself that by Christmas you will spend a few dollars getting a domain and hosting and produce one (at least) 500-1000 word article per day. You will have a nice sized portfolio (you can even sell those articles after you write them) and come across more professional and experienced.

        Figure out if you want to write about anything and everything, or if you want to focus on a 2-3 niches in which to write.

        Pricing - A lot of people will tell you to not engage in a race to the bottom for pricing. If you look around, there are people putting out articles for dirt cheap, and competing with them will not be worth it (GeorgeR mentioned all of this).

        Don't get discouraged your first month. Writing articles can be competitive, mostly because it is about the easiest and least expensive way to get into the internet marketing arena. Don't expect complete advice. Meaning don't just take advice without thinking about it, maybe tweaking it a bit. People are helpful, but other writers will see you as competition, so certain spceifcs they might hold back (as you would). Further meaning is take the advice knowing that some details of exact methods of how to drum up business might be left out. Finally meaning don't just take advice and implement it exactly as stated, without thinking about elements that might not have been included - you will generally not be handed an exact blueprint from other writers who are being helpful (which is obviously understandable).

        So, don't treat all of the advice you receive as an exact blueprint - approach it with mindset that you will need to tweak the advice slightly to fully flesh out a plan and make it work for you.
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        • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
          Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

          What are you writing about everyday? Since you are doing this, start writing articles. Spend some time reading and searching on this site. Go to the Warriors for Hire forum and look at all of the ads providing content (writing). Look at their ads, prices and samples. Pick some niche topics that interest you and people are making money in (weight loss, dating, etc. - there is a whole bunch of topics you can choose) and start writing a 500 word to 1000 word article on those topics.

          You can get a domain and hosting for pretty cheap. Load up a free WP site and the articles you write. You now have a portfolio with sample work you can show to potential clients. Like everyone else, forget (don't focus) on making X amount of dollars by Christmas - there just isn't a lot of time left.

          However, you can use Christmas as a target date. Set the goal for yourself that by Christmas you will spend a few dollars getting a domain and hosting and produce one (at least) 500-1000 word article per day. You will have a nice sized portfolio (you can even sell those articles after you write them) and come across more professional and experienced.

          Figure out if you want to write about anything and everything, or if you want to focus on a 2-3 niches in which to write.

          Pricing - A lot of people will tell you to not engage in a race to the bottom for pricing. If you look around, there are people putting out articles for dirt cheap, and competing with them will not be worth it (GeorgeR mentioned all of this).

          Don't get discouraged your first month. Writing articles can be competitive, mostly because it is about the easiest and least expensive way to get into the internet marketing arena. Don't expect complete advice. Meaning don't just take advice without thinking about it, maybe tweaking it a bit. People are helpful, but other writers will see you as competition, so certain spceifcs they might hold back (as you would). Further meaning is take the advice knowing that some details of exact methods of how to drum up business might be left out. Finally meaning don't just take advice and implement it exactly as stated, without thinking about elements that might not have been included - you will generally not be handed an exact blueprint from other writers who are being helpful (which is obviously understandable).

          So, don't treat all of the advice you receive as an exact blueprint - approach it with mindset that you will need to tweak the advice slightly to fully flesh out a plan and make it work for you.
          Thank you so much for this priceless advice Christopher, I really appreciate it. I signed up for this writing forum a while back and it gives you different to write about everyday. I've also been writing about my life everyday and short stories too. Thanks for letting me know this, I could definitely understand if other writers were trying to lessen the competition by deterring us (competition) in the other direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jtraits
    all the above + odesk . Odesk has some freelance jobs and I am sure you are good at something over there. give it a try
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    • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
      Originally Posted by Jtraits View Post

      all the above + odesk . Odesk has some freelance jobs and I am sure you are good at something over there. give it a try
      Thanks for the feedback, I'm looking for some higher paying marketplaces also...
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      • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
        Hello again,

        I just had a thought. There has been a WSO going for a while now by a guy I know called John Coutts. Although I've not bought the product, it's all about finding higher paying clients.

        I'm not affiliated to this in any way, it just crossed my mind when you said you were looking for higher paying marketplaces as well.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...les-again.html

        It may or may not help but I hope it does, especially going forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author aurettemag
    why you don't offer your service with WF for hire section? I think you could get a lots of clients with a reasonable cost ($20/listing)
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  • Profile picture of the author kennethchooks
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    No you shouldn't do that.

    Rather invest $20 or $40 to run a WSO here and sell your writing service. You will make MORE money and if you are good with copy-writing, guest posting you will even make more money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      Originally Posted by kennethchooks View Post

      No you shouldn't do that.

      Rather invest $20 or $40 to run a WSO here and sell your writing service. You will make MORE money and if you are good with copy-writing, guest posting you will even make more money.
      My bad. Suggesting somebody who is completely new to this, with a newly discovered desire to write, assemble a cheap, easy to construct portfolio website and throw a good 10 articles up there for samples for both a quick fine tuning of picking a topic and writing a compelling article on it, as well as a quick introduction to WP and throwing up a quick site to get his feet wet, was a completely horrible idea. I don't know what I was thinking.

      Nah, a quick easy protfolio site doesn't do anything for anyone. Silly me. All a NEW IMer needs to do is release a WSO and be good at copy and the money will role in, according to you. Gimme a break. They are BOTH good, easy, cheap things to do.

      How 'bout this kenneth, how 'bout the OP can do BOTH, for about the same price, each. There are a whole bunch of freelance writers that have a portfolio website they set up for dirt cheap and very little time. I guess all those folks are just wasting time and money and the only thing somebody completely new to all of this needs to do is buy a classified ad, launch a WSO, and away they go, off to freelance riches, eh?
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      • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
        Originally Posted by Christopher Fox View Post

        My bad. Suggesting somebody who is completely new to this, with a newly discovered desire to write, assemble a cheap, easy to construct portfolio website and throw a good 10 articles up there for samples for both a quick fine tuning of picking a topic and writing a compelling article on it, as well as a quick introduction to WP and throwing up a quick site to get his feet wet, was a completely horrible idea. I don't know what I was thinking.

        Nah, a quick easy protfolio site doesn't do anything for anyone. Silly me. All a NEW IMer needs to do is release a WSO and be good at copy and the money will role in, according to you. Gimme a break. They are BOTH good, easy, cheap things to do.

        How 'bout this kenneth, how 'bout the OP can do BOTH, for about the same price, each. There are a whole bunch of freelance writers that have a portfolio website they set up for dirt cheap and very little time. I guess all those folks are just wasting time and money and the only thing somebody completely new to all of this needs to do is buy a classified ad, launch a WSO, and away they go, off to freelance riches, eh?
        I was thinking about doing both and having a link to my sample page from the websites, so people that comes past my "warriors for hire" thread can easily see my samples....
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    • Profile picture of the author imagoodguy
      Originally Posted by kennethchooks View Post

      No you shouldn't do that.

      Rather invest $20 or $40 to run a WSO here and sell your writing service. You will make MORE money and if you are good with copy-writing, guest posting you will even make more money.
      Thanks Kenneth, a few people recommend the same thing. I think that maybe the best option for me right now...
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  • Profile picture of the author danix7
    Try fiverr, and create some upsells, there is a course somewhere which people learn how to make a living from fiverr!
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