Amazon you broke my heart

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I was checking on my amazon associates account yesterday and noticed I made like $40 or something in the final quarter of this year.

This was from crap I put up 3 years ago on youtube, which is kinda awesome.

Unfortunately, amazon closed my account because I live in one of the many states that signed a tax fairness law and some other kind of tax legislation that amazon doesn't play well with.

So they won't let me sell anymore, and I was just about to dive back into it!

I guess as more states keep signing these laws, amazon will play ball eventually? They got to be losing tons of business due to losing so many associate accounts. I would think they would want to adapt...

Thoughts?
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    If this the case, then Amazon have no choice other than adapting the new legislation...unless they want to lose many and many associates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    Why bother about that program, you get only 5 to 75 in commissions. So if you sell something worth $100, you will get $7 – it is a joke.

    Forget about them – there are many other programs paying bigger commissions.

    All the best. Regards.
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    • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
      Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

      Why bother about that program, you get only 5 to 75 in commissions. So if you sell something worth $100, you will get $7 - it is a joke.

      Forget about them - there are many other programs paying bigger commissions.

      All the best. Regards.
      Its sad that this is what you think... let alone not true at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
        Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

        Its sad that this is what you think... let alone not true at all.
        To each his own, there are far better ways to spend time and make more money than waste it with lousy commissions from Amazon. Now what was the lie in that? And what is the truth?
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        • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
          Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

          To each his own, there are far better ways to spend time and make more money than waste it with lousy commissions from Amazon. Now what was the lie in that? And what is the truth?
          Your just not making any sense at all, which is leading me to believe you have probably never even tried the program, or you tried and failed miserably.

          With amazon your commission goes up with volume. People trust amazon more then any other ecomerce site on the net, which means very high conversion rates. You also get commissions on any product bought through your links, which often leads to multi item orders.

          You may make a bigger comision with other programs, but chances are its going to be way more difficult to get conversions.
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          • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
            Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

            Your just not making any sense at all, which is leading me to believe you have probably never even tried the program, or you tried and failed miserably.

            With amazon your commission goes up with volume. People trust amazon more then any other ecomerce site on the net, which means very high conversion rates. You also get commissions on any product bought through your links, which often leads to multi item orders.

            You may make a bigger comision with other programs, but chances are its going to be way more difficult to get conversions.
            I think I was clear that I said I value my time. To me, Amazon is not worth my time.

            As simple as that.

            I rest my case.
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        • Profile picture of the author jan roos
          Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

          To each his own, there are far better ways to spend time and make more money than waste it with lousy commissions from Amazon. Now what was the lie in that? And what is the truth?
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          Check the attachment to see why you are so wrong.

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          • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
            Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

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            Check the attachment to see why you are so wrong.

            Cheers
            Right and wrong are things that are looked at from different perspectives.

            I have explained about why I do not like Amazon... that's all.

            Regards
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            • Profile picture of the author jan roos
              Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

              Right and wrong are things that are looked at from different perspectives.

              I have explained about why I do not like Amazon... that's all.

              Regards
              You are missing the point.

              You said Amazon is a waste of time because of the low commission rate.

              If you look at my screenshot you will see my conversion rate this month is 20%. That is the key. With a 20% conversion rate and 8% on a $200 product I will kick the pants out of most of your Aff programs which pays higher commissions but might have a 1-2% conversion rate.

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    • Profile picture of the author x3xsolxdierx3x
      Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

      Why bother about that program, you get only 5 to 75 in commissions. So if you sell something worth $100, you will get $7 - it is a joke.

      Forget about them - there are many other programs paying bigger commissions.

      All the best. Regards.
      This is a pretty simplistic outlook.

      There are many positives that go way beyond just the size of the commission. For example, their internal interface has had tens of thousands invested into research and development in order to ensure multiple purchases from single customers. That is just the beginning....

      For the smart affiliate, Amazon can be a great complementary avenue for profitability.
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      • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
        Originally Posted by x3xsolxdierx3x View Post

        This is a pretty simplistic outlook.

        There are many positives that go way beyond just the size of the commission. For example, their internal interface has had tens of thousands invested into research and development in order to ensure multiple purchases from single customers. That is just the beginning....

        For the smart affiliate, Amazon can be a great complementary avenue for profitability.
        True, I am a simple person. I look at things very simply.

        Time is money. If I can make more money from my time than getting just a lousy 5% - that too from low ticket sales - and NOT waste my time dreaming of getting high ticket sales...

        I'd rather spend my time... doing something that gets me more money.

        As I said, I am a simple man...I'd rather spend my time making more money.
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        • Profile picture of the author skeetermcgee
          yeah, I hear a lot of strong, matter-of-fact type of statements like this about various different methods and traffic sources.

          They always seem to come from someone who couldn't make said methods work for them.

          Usually they didn't even give it an honest effort, which is common I suppose. They form opinions about something just from hear-say or because it has small commissions.

          Yet, I hear about people all the time making big money from amazon.

          One thing that's great about amazon, is once you drive traffic there, they do all the selling for you. That's what they're great at.

          Do you realize what that does for the affiliate? It saves him TIME.

          You see, time is important, I don't know if you realize that. When you save time because you have to do less selling, you can spend more time driving traffic.

          That's just my thoughts on why Amazon is actually a viable method.

          But what do I know, I can't even promote amazon in my state!
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          • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
            Originally Posted by skeetermcgee View Post

            yeah, I hear a lot of strong, matter-of-fact type of statements like this about various different methods and traffic sources.

            They always seem to come from someone who couldn't make said methods work for them.

            Usually they didn't even give it an honest effort, which is common I suppose. They form opinions about something just from hear-say or because it has small commissions.

            Yet, I hear about people all the time making big money from amazon.

            One thing that's great about amazon, is once you drive traffic there, they do all the selling for you. That's what they're great at.

            Do you realize what that does for the affiliate? It saves him TIME.

            You see, time is important, I don't know if you realize that. When you save time because you have to do less selling, you can spend more time driving traffic.

            That's just my thoughts on why Amazon is actually a viable method.

            But what do I know, I can't even promote amazon in my state!
            You asked for thoughts, I replied.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sushiman1111
    Affiliates need Amazon more than Amazon needs affiliates. They've shut down affiliates in a number of states already, and seem prepared to do as many more as is required.

    Affiliates are a big help when no one knows about you. Amazon doesn't exactly have that problem at this point.
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    • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
      Originally Posted by Sushiman1111 View Post

      Affiliates need Amazon more than Amazon needs affiliates. They've shut down affiliates in a number of states already, and seem prepared to do as many more as is required.

      Affiliates are a big help when no one knows about you. Amazon doesn't exactly have that problem at this point.
      Not necessarily.

      Can Amazon survive without affiliates? Probably. But I'm guessing they get a lot of traffic/business through affiliate links because of reviews, recommendations, and links from sites with targeted traffic.

      If too many states pass these laws, Amazon will have to seriously reconsider their strategy.

      That said, there are a lot of legal challenges in the states that pass these tax
      laws. Here in Illinois, the state supreme court struck down the law and Amazon reinstated all of us.
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      • Profile picture of the author softwarewarden
        Originally Posted by BradVert2013 View Post

        Not necessarily.

        Can Amazon survive without affiliates? Probably. But I'm guessing they get a lot of traffic/business through affiliate links because of reviews, recommendations, and links from sites with targeted traffic.

        If too many states pass these laws, Amazon will have to seriously reconsider their strategy.

        That said, there are a lot of legal challenges in the states that pass these tax
        laws. Here in Illinois, the state supreme court struck down the law and Amazon reinstated all of us.
        Here in California amazon made a deal with the state or the same thing happened and we were reinstated also.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel J
    SkeeterMcgee, You may also consider SELLING real products on Amazon. For many of my products, I send buyers to the pages (with an affiliate link) so I end up making the 4-7% PLUS an average of 40-50% of the sale! Since your state restricts the affiliate portion of it, you may be out of luck on that side, but you can still sell products on Amazon for the 40-50%! Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    Amazon you broke my heart.
    If ONE thing in IM can break your heart, then your online business has a seriously weak foundation.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Originally Posted by skeetermcgee View Post

    I was checking on my amazon associates account yesterday and noticed I made like $40 or something in the final quarter of this year.

    This was from crap I put up 3 years ago on youtube, which is kinda awesome.

    Unfortunately, amazon closed my account because I live in one of the many states that signed a tax fairness law and some other kind of tax legislation that amazon doesn't play well with.

    So they won't let me sell anymore, and I was just about to dive back into it!

    I guess as more states keep signing these laws, amazon will play ball eventually? They got to be losing tons of business due to losing so many associate accounts. I would think they would want to adapt...

    Thoughts?
    Don't lose hope yet. The Illinois Supreme Court struck down the "Amazon tax" and Amazon has since reinstated all us affiliates in Illinois. That sets a good precedent for challenges in other states to these laws.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    Oh yeah i can't even make an Amazon Affiliate account because I live in Colorado.
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  • Profile picture of the author theprofitjam
    Feeling bad for you!
    But you can try asking Amazon on how long this will stay or this will stay forever.
    If there is any way so that they can give you commissions that you've earned.
    If you know someone who is in the state where laws are not in conflict with Amazon, you can talk to that person and make an account in his name and get the money eventually. Only if the person is trustworthy!
    Or else try another affiliate program.
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  • Profile picture of the author Copeland Becker
    I am right there with you, as I can't have an Amazon affiliate account since I live in Arkansas.

    I was able to get around it for a while by using Skimlinks, but they have also closed my account because of pressure from Amazon.

    I really wish I could remember the news article I read that basically went into detail on how the states that pass the affiliate tax end up losing a bunch of money for their state. If I can ever find it, I will come back in and link to it.

    Amazon doesn't need affiliates.

    Honestly, my guess is that if there is ever a national tax passed, Amazon will just close their affiliate program altogether.

    Hopefully our states will change their minds on this issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    You never go against the Amazon family.

    NEVER pick sides against the family again...

    But if you must?

    Why not start promoting other retail establishments like commission junction or shareasale?

    Also, best buy and target have affiliate programs you know.

    Amazon isn't the only gig in town.



    Stay cool

    Sincerely

    The Affiliate Godfather
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