9000 Posts - 9 Things I've Learned In 5 Years

by Steven Wagenheim 46 replies
In my 5 years plus of marketing online, I have learned a lot. These are
the 9 things I've learned that I feel are the most important. They are in
no special order.

1. Communication Is Critical

Communication is absolutely critical if you're going to be successful
with your business. Think about everything that you do to make a sale.
Almost all of it has to do with some form of communication, from your
first squeeze page to the prospect emails that you get delivered to you
in your in box. Do you not think the person who can effectively
communicate with his prospects is going to have a better chance of
success than somebody who can't communicate well? I know there
have been many sales I've made because of replies to prospect
inquiries.

Even your sales pages are a form of communication. They have to
be well written if you're going to make any significant number of sales.
This is why I work on my communication skills everyday. They are the
one thing that I know I can count on when all else around me falls apart.

2. There's More Than One Way To Skin A Cat

Don't let anybody tell you that there is only one right way to run your
business, advertise, make sales, make a sales page or whatever. I
have gone against the norm in so many areas it's not even funny. I've
done things that people have told me were crap and I still succeeded
with them. My first sales page was the worst looking thing you ever
saw. It still made me over 200 sales monthly for almost a whole year.
The blasted thing started off with a STOP sign right at the top of the
page. I mean talk about corny. But it worked. So try out your crazy
ideas. If they don't work, fine. But you never know what will turn out
to be a winner for you.

3. Don't Piss Off 7 Men When All You're Packing Is A 6 Gun

Learn to pick your battles, especially in forums. You can't win some
of them so don't try. If you constantly go out looking for a fight or get
defensive at everything somebody says to you, guess what? It only
makes YOU look bad. So turn the other cheek. Be the bigger man.
I know it's hard. It was hard for me. And trust me, I failed at it one
too many times. But those days are long gone. Sure, if you strongly
believe in something, stick to your guns, but do it professionally and
without getting into name calling and hostility. It does nobody any good.

4. Don't Try To Do It All Yourself

Pride is a terrible thing. I felt I had to be successful all on my own. Boy
was THAT a mistake. I should have tried to cultivate friendships a long
time ago. A member at this forum, when I talked to him on Skype, called
me a loner. He was so right. Well, those days are long gone too. I have
made many friends and am in the process of putting together some JVs
that are going to be very profitable for both parties. To those of you who
had enough faith in me to want to work with me, thank you. I appreciate
it more than you know.

5. Don't Rely On Your Memory

I'm getting old and it's not fun. Aside from the aches and pains, my
memory isn't what it used to be. So I am having a very hard time
keeping track of things. So as a result, I have to write everything down.
Don't let pride get in your way of doing this. Nobody is going to call
you names because you keep a cheat sheet or whatever. If you end
up forgetting a crucial part of your day when it comes to your business,
you can end up losing money. I know, I've done it. It was a hard
lesson to learn. Write it down.

6. Find At Least One Person You Can Trust

This is so important because things are going to happen online that
will require you to go to somebody you can trust. I am not going to
go into detail but I am sure you can guess what I'm talking about.
There will be people out there who will screw you just as soon as
look at you. Having somebody you can turn to and say, "Hey,
what do you know about so and so" is one of the most comforting
things in this business. I have a few people I can go to and it's the
greatest feeling. So find somebody who you can trust and is also
knowledgeable about the not so nice parts of this business.

7. Never Think You Know It All

Boy, was I a know it all. Ask Andy Henry and John Taylor. They'll
tell you. I've learned, quite recently actually, that I don't know it all.
As a matter of fact, I've learned that in the grand scheme of things
when it comes to Internet marketing, I know very little. I've been
wrapped up in my own little world for so long that I didn't notice that
there are things out there that I didn't even know existed...things that
are actually useful to my business. I am finally using them. So
always keep an open mind. That is one of my biggest flaws that I
have recently corrected.

8. Money Isn't Everything

Now that I've achieved a level of success, I realize that money isn't
everything. That I wake up in the morning pain free, cancer free, or
whatever other horrible disease I could easily be stricken with, is
the most important thing of all. That and the knowledge that my wife
and daughter are also in good health. Without those things, all the
money in the world doesn't mean crap.

9. There Are Good People In This World

IM has a terrible reputation. All you hear about are the scammers
and the crooks. And heaven knows we've had our share of them.
Anybody remember Joe Kumar? LOL. Point is, even though there
are bad people in this business, I have come to know many good
people, most of them here at this forum.

Paul Myers - Saved me from losing thousands of dollars.
Andrew Cavanagh - For teaching me so much about copywriting
John Rhodes - Gave me my first JV.
Willie Crawford - Gave me my first radio interview.
Andy Henry - Made me realize that there's a better way.
John Taylor - Ditto
Big Mike - For saying the nicest thing anybody ever said to me here.
Bev Clement - For watching out for all of us.
Judy Kettenhofen - For hooking me up with George Sepich.
George Sepich - For making me such a generous offer.
Allen Says - For making all this possible. I owe you a debt of gratitude
that can never be repaid.

I could go on forever. This place is filled with so many good people
who have made such a big difference in my life that quite honestly,
I don't know what I'd do without this place.

My hope is that in the short or long period of time that you've been
running your own business, you've learned a few things too. If you
have, please share them in this thread. I don't want this to just be
about me. This thread is about sharing what we know so that we
can maybe help others. Please contribute what you can to this and
maybe we can make this the Warrior thread for 2008...All the Warriors.

Thank you for making these first 9000 posts ones that I will always
cherish.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane N
    Excellent post Steve.

    You have been an inspiration to me and many others I am sure of it.

    Congratulations on your 9,000th post!!!

    On to another 9,000...
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    • Profile picture of the author Glenn Newsome
      Steven,
      You never cease to amaze me. This post once again is full of inspiration as well as no fluff information.
      Congratulations on your 9000th post.
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      • Profile picture of the author pjs
        Steve,

        You can take 5% of your 9K posts, throw them in a PDF and sell that PDF for $50 all day long.. I would be happy to buy it!
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        • Profile picture of the author Josh Anderson
          Hey Steve...

          And I thought I posted a lot!

          After 9000 posts you might just want to take a breather and post a short one like this instead:

          In my 1 3/4 years of posting on the Warrior Forum, I have learned a lot. The 1 thing I've learned that I feel is most important in no special order is:

          1. Communication Is Critical


          Here's to 9000 more!
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        • Profile picture of the author suigeneris
          Great advice sir! Kudos to you!
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          • Profile picture of the author NewMedia
            So happy for your Steven!

            9000 posts is no small feat.

            You deserve all the success you have because you're a do-er
            and everyone should learn this biggest lesson from you!

            Thank you for being my source of inspiration.

            You rock!

            Patrick F
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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Taylor
              For me it's not so much the post count but the quality of the posts Steven submits...
              always trying to help and inform.
              Thanks for that.

              Cheers,
              -Steve
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              • Profile picture of the author bobcath
                Steve

                If it weren't for you I would probably have quit by now, you are inspirational!

                thanks
                Bobby
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              • Profile picture of the author Jean Morgan
                Excellent post Steven and you showed you are a very humble person.

                Jean
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                  Originally Posted by Jean Morgan View Post

                  Excellent post Steven and you showed you are a very humble person.

                  Jean
                  Actually Jean, my wife says I don't think enough of myself and don't give
                  myself enough credit. I think a lot of that comes from my childhood. But I
                  won't get into that here.

                  Anyway, thanks for the kind words.
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                  • Profile picture of the author dbh
                    Steve, that post is wonderful beyond belief. And the messages therein should be taken to heart by all. I know I will. Thank you for sharing . Now on to the next 9000.....

                    - Darrell
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                    • Profile picture of the author truby
                      Steven,
                      I really enjoyed your post. I learned a few things too. Thanks for sharring
                      Truby
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                      • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
                        Great stuff Steven.

                        I'm sure the next 9,000 posts will be even better than the last 9,000.

                        Kindest regards,
                        Andrew Cavanagh
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                        • Profile picture of the author Kimberly Clay
                          Congratulations, Steven.

                          I think I've been reading your posts longer than I've been a member of this forum. I know that when opening a thread from you I will find interesting, thought-provoking, helpful, informative, sometimes controversial content that, whatever the subject, is always a good read.

                          I appreciate the time and effort that you put into the content, ideas and information you leave for deposit here, as I'm certain others do.

                          You have helped me, challenged me to be better and to do better, and on many occasions, to look at things in ways I might never have considered.

                          Thanks for your contributions.
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    • Profile picture of the author xmx
      Congratulations to you Steven,

      9000 posts are a big amount of work, and many of your post are long like this one, that surely isn't a 1 line post

      You really contribute a lot to the WF and shared a lot of what you know about IM here. Thanks for that.

      I wish you other 1000s of posts here on the WF and success in your ventures.


      Gian
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      • Profile picture of the author voiceofreason
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        Excellent post Steve,

        Many excellent points to consider. 9,000 posts huh? Gee, I've got some work to do!

        CW
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        • Profile picture of the author mbrown
          Steven,

          Congrats on 9000 posts. Man I got some work to do haha

          Great tips in that last post of yours as well.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
            wow

            what a fab post

            I take my hat off to you Steve
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            • Profile picture of the author Sean A McAlister
              Steven,

              You are a valuable asset to this community and a wonderful person.

              The essence of ethics, personal commitment, the willingness to help others
              determination and success is found within you.

              In my short time here, it became abundantly clear what a great person you are. Straight forward and genuine with each and every word you utter.

              You are a great example of how this whole thing works. If only there were more people in this world on line and off line that hold true the pinnacles that
              are at your core.

              Congratulations on your 9000th post.

              WOW...That is a lot of typing:p

              Warm Regards,
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              • Profile picture of the author Eric Johnson
                Very nice post Steven. There is a lot there that we can learn about how to handle the human side of this (and any) business,

                Both in terms of dealing with yourself and other people.

                I gotta say my absolute favorite quality of yours is that you don't hide your feelings. People always know exactly where they stand.
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                • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
                  Originally Posted by Eric Johnson View Post

                  Very nice post Steven. There is a lot there that we can learn about how to handle the human side of this (and any) business,

                  Both in terms of dealing with yourself and other people.

                  I gotta say my absolute favorite quality of yours is that you don't hide your feelings. People always know exactly where they stand.
                  ...You're welcome, Eric.



                  Lol,
                  Steve
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                  • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                    Originally Posted by Steven Fullman View Post

                    ...You're welcome, Eric.



                    Lol,
                    Steve
                    That's okay Steve, you can piggy back on my success all you want.

                    I'll also be sending you my share of the IRS bill.
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                • Profile picture of the author David Reed
                  Another milestone Steven. And every post (I remember) carried a pertinent point to the topic you were starting or replying to. You have been a great inspiration to me and many others I'm sure.

                  David
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                  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
                    Steve,

                    I haven't printed out many forum posts in my life. But this was one of them.

                    Thank you,
                    AL
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        • Profile picture of the author Peter Bestel
          Thanks for sharing, once again Steven and congrats for getting to this stupendous milestone. I don't think I'll ever average 14 posts a day. Mind you, maybe some folk haven't realised that a huge chunk of those posts are in the Off Topic forum where Steven posts up links to videos of his weird and wonderful music collection!! (Only joking!)

          You've obviously made a massive contribution to this forum and it's not about the number of posts - it's about the quality. You've not been afraid to speak your mind and it's sparked some interesting and informative debates. Folk don't always agree with you, myself included, but that's all part of making this a great forum. You're definitely one of the guys that make this forum worth switching on everyday.

          You've asked us to share some of our own thoughts about being in business. Like you, I have a list, not too dissimilar from yours, but I'd like to add just one:

          Enjoy yourself.

          It kinda follows on from Steven's point; Money Isn't Everything. If you figure out the real reason you're in business, and you're honest with yourself, you'll discover that you're in it to be happier. Yes, all the trappings of wealth are great but you only want them because you want to be happy. If what you're doing isn't making you happy (just have a quick think now) CHANGE! Life's just too damn short to be doing anything unless it helps you along the road to happiness.

          Peter
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            Congrats and Godspeed!
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            • Profile picture of the author Ricter
              These 9 items go into one of your products, right?

              That type of leveraging occurred to me yesterday, I suspect you're already practicing it.

              Good work.

              PS: These 9 lessons apply to much more than this particular medium, and even to more than just business.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sean Donahoe
    3. Don't Piss Off 7 Men When All You're Packing Is A 6 Gun
    That had me spitting my tea all over my monitor... probably the best, and most amusing statement I have ever heard.

    Congratulations on hitting 9000 and a very informative post for all.
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    • Profile picture of the author Martin Luxton
      Steven

      One of the most informative things here has been watching your transformation over the last year and we were lucky enough that you catalogued it for us.

      Many thanks for your brave honesty.

      If I may add one thing that it took me nearly all my life to learn.

      If you are not in business for your family and to improve their life, change your approach. Before you do/buy anything ask yourself

      How will this benefit me and/or my family?


      Martin
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      Great advice Steven; congrats!
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      • Profile picture of the author VinceNouvel
        Thats hella great advice Steve!!
        Keep on posting.. We all love you..


        Cheers,
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      Originally Posted by Chikira View Post

      That had me spitting my tea all over my monitor... probably the best, and most amusing statement I have ever heard.
      steve, don't you already owe someone else a keyboard from another thread ?

      this is becoming a habit..........

      congratulations. may you be around here for us for many thousands more.

      thanx
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      • Profile picture of the author Sandor Verebi
        Steven,

        You do not falsify yourself now, than always. You do give, give and give. What is it possible to reciprocate this with?

        Possibly with it, how we try to think likewise and to act, you make it.

        Take care,

        Sandor

        Edit: congratulation and awaiting for your next 9000 post
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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
    Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

    There will be people out there who will screw you just as soon as
    look at you.
    Man...I'm in the wrong country!

    Congrats, Waggers, and a typically classy post with which to celebrate.

    Best wishes,
    Steve
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    • Profile picture of the author markaustin
      Great post Steven & congrats on post number 9000!

      Mark
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      • Profile picture of the author bartlock
        Congratulations Steven, Great post!
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      • Profile picture of the author Roy Carter
        Another great post from one of this forum's leading contributors. Great post Steven.

        For me, i'd say that the biggest lesson i've learned online is that when you stop focussing hard on making money and start trying really hard to help people, then the money will just flow automatically anyway. Plus you get a real kick doing it.

        Steven is one of the best proponents of that philosophy I reckon.

        Congrats on the 9,000 post milestone Steven.

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        • Profile picture of the author arthurt
          Well done Steve! Keep it up! (No, not that!! The postin...hehe)

          PS: Just signed up to your newbie newsletter

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          • Profile picture of the author Terry Hatfield
            Drumroll please.

            And the Oscar goes to . . .

            O.K. maybe not an Oscar, but you get Most Improved Student award.

            Terry
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            • Profile picture of the author CWreports
              Congratulations Steven

              I remember when you first joined...how you were almost killed.

              You quickly earned respect by adding value. And have continued to do so.

              I'm glad you hung in there.


              Way to go!!

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              • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                Originally Posted by CWreports View Post

                Congratulations Steven

                I remember when you first joined...how you were almost killed.


                Carol
                Well, I wouldn't say I was almost killed. But it was amusing to say the least.

                I've learned a lot from those early days and would probably do things much
                differently today. But we all make mistakes. The key is learning from them.
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                • Profile picture of the author freudianslip27
                  Awesome post Steve. Wow, 9,000. Definitely cause for celebration! I think that keeping a public front and communicating with others is so incredibly important. I'm not a big fan of "famous IM'ers" that you never see in the trench.

                  I look forward to reading your future sharings

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                    • Profile picture of the author jestershaw
                      Wow, 9000 posts!!! That's amazing. I have been reading your posts for a few months now and I appreciate the advice given by you and the other more experienced IM'ers. I no longer feel like a newbie due to all the knowledge I have gleaned from this site in the last year and a half.

                      Thanks
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                      • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
                        Steven,

                        Big difference between the response you get now and the one you got when you first started, eh?

                        I, for one, am glad you stuck with it. You've added a lot here over the past couple of years. Thanks for that.


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                        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
                          Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

                          Steven,

                          Big difference between the response you get now and the one you got when you first started, eh?

                          I, for one, am glad you stuck with it. You've added a lot here over the past couple of years. Thanks for that.


                          Paul
                          Paul, I don't even know what to say. You're one of the people I've looked
                          up to since I got here. I don't always understand some of the philosophy
                          that sprouts out of that head of yours but you're never a dull read, that is
                          for sure.

                          I hope to be able to contribute here for as long as the doors are open to me.

                          Or for as long as my wife doesn't have me committed
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        • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
          Steve,

          Congratulations!

          Over the past 21 months I've read many, although not all, of your posts–the good, the bad and the ugly! Fortunately the good outweigh the others.

          Today's is stellar!

          Thank you,

          Elmer
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          • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
            Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone View Post

            Steve,

            Congratulations!

            Over the past 21 months I've read many, although not all, of your posts–the good, the bad and the ugly! Fortunately the good outweigh the others.

            Today's is stellar!

            Thank you,

            Elmer
            Thank you Elmer. That means a lot to me coming from you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Earl Smith
    You have given some insightful information thanks Steven. I'm sure alot of warriors will benefit from this post.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trent Brownrigg
    Steven,

    Amazing post as usual!

    I still remember your first few days at this forum... you had a whole $h!t storm of people bashing you for all sorts of reasons, mostly about your high volume of posts and some arguments you got into. But I think those same people are now more than happy you stuck around!

    I knew you before you were a member of this forum so I already knew the value you were going to bring here.

    Keep it up buddy!

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  • Profile picture of the author Chris W. Sutton
    Steven,

    Congratulations on your 9,000th post! Not a lot of people are aware of the fact that you made 8,823 of them during your first week here but it's been some pretty good info in any case.

    You're a good guy but I've got to tell ya, man... from what I've seen, you sure can't carry a tune! I'm sure you must have other hidden talents, though!

    Take care!
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      Stephen you are very much advantaged.Keep up the good work
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton View Post

      Steven,

      Congratulations on your 9,000th post! Not a lot of people are aware of the fact that you made 8,823 of them during your first week here but it's been some pretty good info in any case.

      You're a good guy but I've got to tell ya, man... from what I've seen, you sure can't carry a tune! I'm sure you must have other hidden talents, though!

      Take care!
      Yeah, I pretty much suck as a vocalist. But hey, it keeps the dogs in my
      neighborhood busy barking.

      As for hidden talents, nope. I'm really pretty transparent. What you see
      is what you get.
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