Done - JVZoo's Instant or Delayed Commissions

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Hi Everyone

I'm trying to do some research to find out from both vendors and affiliates about JVZoo's Platform so that I can figure out on future products whether to pay Instant or Delayed commissions.

If you are a JVZoo vendor how do you normally pay your affiliates? is it with Instant or Delayed commissions? If you pay instant commissions what criteria do you use to determine which affiliates get paid Instant commissions?

If you are an affiliate promoting products from the JVZoo marketplace, will you promote a vendors product if they set you to delayed commissions?

Thanks in advance everyone for your answers, it will help me make my next product launch more beneficial for both the vendor and the affiliate.

As always Much Mahalo

Nathan Young
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    If you know and trust the affiliate then you can put them on instant. Anyone else should be put on delayed. It's that simple. You have too much to lose by putting affiliates you don't know on instant commissions. Many vendors have had big problems with this before.
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    • Profile picture of the author NateYoung
      Hi Will,

      Thanks for answering my question. I like Warriors like you as it makes the forum a nice place to interact with other members and the cool part is no matter what question a person asks someone will always answer. Again thanks Will for answering my questions once again.

      Nathan
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  • Profile picture of the author gcbmark20
    Hi,

    Yeah the delayed commissions are a bit of a pain over at JV Zoo.

    For me I prefer the Warrior + system as it just gives you and your
    affiliates a share of each sales in full.

    So if you were to offer 75% commissions you would get the first sale
    (product owner) then the next 3 sales would go to the affiliate.

    NICE & SIMPLE just the way it should be.

    Have a great day
    G.B.
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    • Profile picture of the author yakim1
      Originally Posted by gcbmark20 View Post

      Hi,

      Yeah the delayed commissions are a bit of a pain over at JV Zoo.

      For me I prefer the Warrior + system as it just gives you and your
      affiliates a share of each sales in full.

      So if you were to offer 75% commissions you would get the first sale
      (product owner) then the next 3 sales would go to the affiliate.

      NICE & SIMPLE just the way it should be.

      Have a great day
      G.B.
      This is a rotating payment system. What this does is make your affiliates responsible for all customer service. If something happens to your product delivery and the customer does not receive the product, How is your affiliate suppose to deal with this problem?

      Plus, the 75% commission claim is not true in your example...

      If an affiliate makes 5 sales, the affiliate only gets paid 3 of the 5 sales. That is a 60% commission rate and not 75%.

      If the affiliate only makes one sale that is a 0% commission for the affiliate.

      Why any affiliate would promote on a system that added extra responsibility to the affiliate and not pay a true commission rate is beyond me.

      Best regards,
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      • Profile picture of the author Julius Minor
        I've sold products on Jvzoo (still do) and I got burned using instant payments by an affiliate. I ended up owing paypal $400+ dollars.. Basically he/she became my affiliate, hacked a bunch of peoples paypal information and bought my product over and over. It was a $19 product and I received $4-5 for each sale after affiliate payouts. On top of me owing the whole $19, Paypal slapped a $35 fee on "each" refund...

        1: Jvzoo displays how many sales that affiliate has..

        2: 0 sales is a red flag... It's probably a new fake account used for scamming.. From my experience, If I put a delay on those with 0 sales they never sell anything because they are probably scammers and the refunds will start pouring in and they will never get any money because I'll catch it first..

        3: On your JVzoo affiliate page you can put a message on there.

        4: I now ask for a warrior forum profile and Facebook.. Everyone I know on Jvzoo has a warrior forum profile.. And if they are genuine affiliates you can befriend them on Facebook and build a relationship so they will promote your future products..

        5: Check some of their post to get a good idea of what type of person he/she is..

        6: Ask how will they promote you product..

        7: Put it on delayed commissions until a few sales go through and then you can decide if you want to switch to instant payments.

        8: Let them know "up front" on your affiliate page that their payments will be delayed for the first few sales.. Legit affiliates (with sales) will understand..

        If I missed something (anyone) let me know.. Hope this helps.. I wish you great success with your product.. Julius
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        • Profile picture of the author NateYoung
          Originally Posted by Julius Minor View Post

          I've sold products on Jvzoo (still do) and I got burned using instant payments by an affiliate. I ended up owing paypal $400+ dollars.. Basically he/she became my affiliate, hacked a bunch of peoples paypal information and bought my product over and over. It was a $19 product and I received $4-5 for each sale after affiliate payouts. On top of me owing the whole $19, Paypal slapped a $35 fee on "each" refund...

          1: Jvzoo displays how many sales that affiliate has..

          2: 0 sales is a red flag... It's probably a new fake account used for scamming.. From my experience, If I put a delay on those with 0 sales they never sell anything because they are probably scammers and the refunds will start pouring in and they will never get any money because I'll catch it first..

          3: On your JVzoo affiliate page you can put a message on there.

          4: I now ask for a warrior forum profile and Facebook.. Everyone I know on Jvzoo has a warrior forum profile.. And if they are genuine affiliates you can befriend them on Facebook and build a relationship so they will promote your future products..

          5: Check some of their post to get a good idea of what type of person he/she is..

          6: Ask how will they promote you product..

          7: Put it on delayed commissions until a few sales go through and then you can decide if you want to switch to instant payments.

          8: Let them know "up front" on your affiliate page that their payments will be delayed for the first few sales.. Legit affiliates (with sales) will understand..

          If I missed something (anyone) let me know.. Hope this helps.. I wish you great success with your product.. Julius
          Thanks Julius for the tip. I will use that technique friend them on Facebook. This tip was extremely helpful.

          Nathan
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    • Profile picture of the author entry
      Originally Posted by gcbmark20 View Post

      Hi,

      Yeah the delayed commissions are a bit of a pain over at JV Zoo.
      How is it a pain?
      what steps are needed to be done for the delayed commission option by product launchers, (using JVZ for their product) ?

      Originally Posted by thedanbrown View Post

      Ya if you have a relationship with an affiliate, if they've promoted for you before you could go with instant, but otherwise stick with delayed.

      When chosing delayed, what additional steps are required by the product owner to release the payment?
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      • Profile picture of the author Julius Minor
        Originally Posted by entry View Post

        How is it a pain?
        what steps are needed to be done for the delayed commission option by product launchers, (using JVZ for their product) ?
        He's probably an affiliate that wants instant payment.. There is nothing wrong with that if he's a legit affiliate..
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    • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
      I had a similar experience to Julius. A rogue affiliate started buying with hacked Paypal accounts. The real account owner files a dispute. The rogue affiliate has already withdrawn the instant commissions. So when I refunded the hacked account owners I lost the commission amount to each one.

      So, obviously, instant commissions only for those you know and trust. Delayed for everyone else. If they don't like it, let them go find another product to promote.
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    • Profile picture of the author NateYoung
      Thanks GB for sharing your thoughts its greatly appreciated.

      Nathan



      Originally Posted by gcbmark20 View Post

      Hi,

      Yeah the delayed commissions are a bit of a pain over at JV Zoo.

      For me I prefer the Warrior + system as it just gives you and your
      affiliates a share of each sales in full.

      So if you were to offer 75% commissions you would get the first sale
      (product owner) then the next 3 sales would go to the affiliate.

      NICE & SIMPLE just the way it should be.

      Have a great day
      G.B.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Ya if you have a relationship with an affiliate, if they've promoted for you before you could go with instant, but otherwise stick with delayed.
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    • Profile picture of the author NateYoung
      Originally Posted by thedanbrown View Post

      Ya if you have a relationship with an affiliate, if they've promoted for you before you could go with instant, but otherwise stick with delayed.
      Thanks Dan for sharing your thoughts they were extremely helpful.

      Nathan
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    • Profile picture of the author NateYoung
      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

      There's an enormous misconception in IM that the goal with affiliate programs is to find as many affiliates as you can to promote your product, which leads merchants to just arbitrarily approve anyone who applies.

      In reality, very few affiliates ever make a sale and at best, only sign up to buy the product and get their commission back as a form of discount.

      It's not the quantity of affiliates but rather the quality - you should only be approving those affiliates you have thoroughly vetted and confirmed are legitimate, with a clear performance record.

      You need to treat approving affiliates the same way you would hiring an employee. You want to hire only the best - not just anyone who walks in off the street, right?

      Email them, check them out online and if you can't confirm everything they say/who they are then DON'T approve them.
      Thanks Mike for sharing your thoughts and your absolutely right approving affiliates should be the same as hiring an employee.
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    Offering affiliates instant payment is like putting your hand in a blender.
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    Delayed delayed delayed, unless you personally know them and have worked with them before.

    There are too many affiliate frauds there that use stolen credit cards for the purchases, get the commissions, empty their Paypal accounts and then leave you with all the chargebacks to deal with (which will cost you an additional $25 each in fees). Lost about $1K by paying Instant Commissions to affiliates on JVZoo.
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    • Profile picture of the author Julius Minor
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Delayed delayed delayed, unless you personally know them and have worked with them before.

      There are too many affiliate frauds there that use stolen credit cards for the purchases, get the commissions, empty their Paypal accounts and then leave you with all the chargebacks to deal with (which will cost you an additional $25 each in fees). Lost about $1K by paying Instant Commissions to affiliates on JVZoo.
      Damn! that was way worse than mine.. It was a while back for me, I wasn't sure if it was an additional $25 or $35 that paypal tacks on for that charge back fee..
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    • Profile picture of the author Networking_now
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Delayed delayed delayed, unless you personally know them and have worked with them before.

      There are too many affiliate frauds there that use stolen credit cards for the purchases, get the commissions, empty their Paypal accounts and then leave you with all the chargebacks to deal with (which will cost you an additional $25 each in fees). Lost about $1K by paying Instant Commissions to affiliates on JVZoo.
      Sorry to hear that

      How can this be prevented ?

      and can the same identical issues occour by using W+ ?
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by Networking_now View Post

        Sorry to hear that

        How can this be prevented ?

        and can the same identical issues occour by using W+ ?
        It can be prevented with delayed commissions. When the scam affiliate sees delayed commissions, they probably won't even bother to request to be your affiliate, because they know that you will get the chargeback before they get their commission, so there's no point to it. It happens on all instant commission platforms, including W+. I would never risk it again. If delayed commissions aren't offered on a platform, it's a no go for me.
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        • Profile picture of the author Networking_now
          With listing your product on JV zoo, and when you build a list of buyers,

          are these buyers automatically added to jvz's email list? and emailed Jvz other promotions?

          if so, can this option be turned off ?
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        • Profile picture of the author Julius Minor
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          It can be prevented with delayed commissions. When the scam affiliate sees delayed commissions, they probably won't even bother to request to be your affiliate, because they know that you will get the chargeback before they get their commission, so there's no point to it. It happens on all instant commission platforms, including W+. I would never risk it again. If delayed commissions aren't offered on a platform, it's a no go for me.
          I agree with you.. Has anyone ever had that issue on W+?
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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by Networking_now View Post

            With listing your product on JV zoo, and when you build a list of buyers,

            are these buyers automatically added to jvz's email list? and emailed Jvz other promotions?

            if so, can this option be turned off ?
            I believe so, but not certain. I no longer use JVZoo or W+. I use DLGuard and don't bother with affiliates after that experience. Someone else may be able to answer that one.

            Originally Posted by Julius Minor View Post

            I agree with you.. Has anyone ever had that issue on W+?
            Plenty. The numerous threads on this are about both W+ and JVZoo.

            EDIT:

            While there may be some experienced affiliates on those platforms, most of the ones that applied to be my affiliate had zero sales and lived in countries that I would hesitate to do business with. There were only a couple of affiliates from either site that actually promoted and made some sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    I may be wrong about this, and would like other people's feed back.

    A charge back is directly from the credit card company. PayPal has no recourse but to give a refund. Plus, if the credit card company charges PayPal a charge back fee, it make perfect sense that PayPal would pass that fee onto the vendor.

    I have a question...

    What if in your PayPal account when you launch a new product that you mark that you do not accept credit cards. I have never done that or even know if it is possible in your PayPal account.

    Let people pay through their PayPal accounts.

    Another question would be when using instant pay sites, wouldn't it be a good practice to monitor the affiliate stats. If you see an affiliate with 2 or 3 sales with 100% conversion rate, to me that would be an affiliate to watch because no one has 100% conversions.

    I would block that affiliate from making any more sales and then I would try to contact the affiliate. If I got no response from that affiliate to see why they are having such a high conversion rate, I may even consider refunding the few sales right away.

    Monitoring who you are paying is really simple. After all, PayPal sends you an email message every time your PayPal account pays out to an affiliate. When a new name comes across in your email check the affiliate's stats.

    See what the hits are verses sales. If they are equal you can begin watching that account looking for when the next sale comes though. If it is still equal with hits and sales, it is time to take action against that affiliate as described above.

    This is not hard to do as you can get these PayPal messages on your cell.

    This is a business, and should be conducted as a business.

    It just seems that just using affiliates that you know could cause you to leave money on the table when simple precautions could be used to prevent loss.

    I hope this has been helpful,
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    • Profile picture of the author planetlubs
      Now days, 90% of the times, I use delayed payments. This protects me from cheats frequenting Jvzoo. I was cheated of over $700 by only one person who used an authorized credit cards to purchase my product. When complaints came it, he had already closed his Paypal account and so I had to pay all the money. and I had to go through 3 account limitations.

      Now, I prefer delayed for those affiliate that I am not sure of. I check there sales statistics and search or ask for more information from them like how they will promote my products. Do not believe new ones that promise to promote to their lists. Every one now seems to know that it is the password to getting approved

      However, using delayed can discourage some affiliates, so, for those you trust and who have good reputation, you have to give instant payments.

      If I am promoting as an affiliate, I do not like delayed payments. I prefer instant but I provide the vendor with all the proof that I am a genuine affiliate and vendor. I do this in the first contact (request).

      If you can, you should consider launching on the warrior plus. With it, you can easily look up the forum history of the person by simply clicking on their name. You also see their statistics and these help you to make an easy but more informed decision.
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      • Profile picture of the author Julius Minor
        Originally Posted by planetlubs View Post

        Now days, 90% of the times, I use delayed payments. This protects me from cheats frequenting Jvzoo. I was cheated of over $700 by only one person who used an authorized credit cards to purchase my product. When complaints came it, he had already closed his Paypal account and so I had to pay all the money. and I had to go through 3 account limitations.

        Now, I prefer delayed for those affiliate that I am not sure of. I check there sales statistics and search or ask for more information from them like how they will promote my products. Do not believe new ones that promise to promote to their lists. Every one now seems to know that it is the password to getting approved

        However, using delayed can discourage some affiliates, so, for those you trust and who have good reputation, you have to give instant payments.

        If I am promoting as an affiliate, I do not like delayed payments. I prefer instant but I provide the vendor with all the proof that I am a genuine affiliate and vendor. I do this in the first contact (request).

        If you can, you should consider launching on the warrior plus. With it, you can easily look up the forum history of the person by simply clicking on their name. You also see their statistics and these help you to make an easy but more informed decision.
        Sorry to hear that.. As you can see from my previous post above I went through a similar situation.. I agree all the way... You have to make sure to check out the affiliate before accepting them. I also use delayed payments at first to make sure I don't get refunds..
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