Information overload, starting to have doubts

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Hi guys,

I've been reading so much about IM that every post is starting to sound the same. It's always, find a niche, find a product in that niche, create articles that promote it and profit. I've been thinking about it a lot and the more I read, the more it looks to me that every affiliate product is just a ploy for someone to extract money from another person. Every product I come across all have the same layout for sales pages, they all pitch the same "only 10 will be sold." It seems that everyone is just using the same techniques for different products. I came close to buying a lot of different products but I withheld myself. I'm starting to think that IM is not for me. Perhaps HubPages is more down my alley as I have made a couple dollars a month with a handful of articles on Triond.

Am I right to think this way? Or do I just need to actually suck it up, purchase a WSO and implement it?

EDIT: I should also add that I'm in the middle of doing a web developer course but I've been slacking. Should I just complete that course and offer up services for web development?
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  • Profile picture of the author Arun Chandran
    You can make money online... but the key is focus... Focus on only ONE method.

    There are so many methods out there from FB marketing, YouTube, product creation, eBay, etc... You must choose one. One that you think suits you... then do everything you can to make money with it.

    You may have to buy a WSO or two to figure things out... but make sure the WSO you buy is related to the method you choose. Most beginners are all over the place.

    One minute they're trying FB ads... next minute, they're trying their hands at CPA... it never ends.

    Choose one. Stick with it. Make money. End of story.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post

      There are so many methods out there from FB marketing, YouTube, product creation, eBay, etc... You must choose one.
      Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post

      One minute they're trying FB ads... next minute, they're trying their hands at CPA...
      This stuff shouldn't be grouped under "methods" and told to pick one. I see marketing methods, core businesses and a sales platform.

      If for instance he chooses product creation, where is that traffic going to come from? Perhaps FB plays a role..... but not if he "must choose one."

      OP should consider both the core business and necessary marketing methods and weigh the cost of entry into each ($ and/or time).
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      • Profile picture of the author 4DayWeekend
        The Internet is simply a medium that gives you fast access to lots of people...

        But, like the offline world, if you're not selling a product or service that solves a problem (or getting commission to sell someone else's, i.e, affiliate marketing), then you're not going to make any money...

        The method suggested would work if there is sufficient demand in a problem niche and quality products that solve the problem that you can promote as an affiliate. But, it's hard work, so if you're jumping from idea to idea or your heart isn't in it (so you're unlikely to follow through with everything), then you're right, maybe it isn't for you...

        Decide which route you want to go, make a solid plan and stick to it...

        But remember the method that you've mentioned is only one of many ways to make money on the Internet. You might be suited to selling your own service or product or teaching. It all depends on your own skill set.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        There are two good reasons that everything you are seeing is starting to blend together.

        1. They're all targeting the same audience. In your case, "learning how to make money online." Within that market space, prospects share a lot of common characteristics, and what you are seeing plays to those characteristics.

        2. The sharp marketers (and this space has some of the sharpest direct marketers out there) do what works. And a lot of less sharp or less experienced marketers simply copy what they see on the assumption that if Gooroo Joe does it, it must work.

        Get out of the "marketers marketing to (wannabe) marketers" space and look at the things that interest you, and that make you want to reach for your credit card. Serving a market that you are actually a part of can be a good way to get started.

        If I were brand new, I'd look at niches within the fishing (angling, not commercial) market because I've been doing it for fifty years. I know the people and I know the lingo. If an offer appeals to me, odds are it will appeal to others like me.

        If you've been playing video games since Pong was new and radical, look at gamers as a niche market you could serve. If you're a foodie, that's a wide open market. Get my drift?

        Pick a market niche you can serve.
        Figure out what they want.
        Figure out how to reach them.
        Create offers that solve problems or fulfill desires.
        Put them in front of the members of that niche market.
        Watch what happens, and either keep doing it or change something and try again.

        It really is that simple. Not all parts will be easy for you or anyone else, but it is simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author CashAdsLLC
      Originally Posted by Arun Chandran View Post

      You can make money online... but the key is focus... Focus on only ONE method.
      This advice nailed it. Try and not dabble into multiple methods at the same time, especially if you are new to IM. You won't find overnight success and most of your success will come from your own personal trial & error. Find a method that suits your budget and find a method that will suit your availability for tweaking and testing campaign strategies. You really do not need a WSO to instruct you and you surely do not need to stick to hubpages or sales pages when it comes to IM.
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      • Profile picture of the author danp142
        I feel the same way. It's all well saying focus on one thing, but it's hard to chose when so many people insist their way is best.

        It's also difficult to persist with one thing once you have put hard work into it and had little in return, do you continue and hope things will improve, or cut your losses and try something else? A very confusing game is IM, I think there is a small element of luck attached to online success.
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  • Profile picture of the author datingworld
    You have said it, implement something, take action on it...
    Jumping from one thing to another doesn't help
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    also reading after reading without taking action will simply overload you with information which isn't healthy to make money.........

    Implement something you already know or feel iterest in it and stop too much reading.
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    • Profile picture of the author amansanity
      Is there a Holy Grail WSO for beginners? I'm afraid to put out money and that's another reason why I have refrained from actually taking action.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsced
    Listen. There are many, many ways to make money. The structure, however, is always the same.
    1) Niche with hungry buyers
    2) Op-in form to generate leads
    3) Products to sell to hungry buyers
    4) Follow up relentlessly
    5) Make sales

    That's your overview. Step on the path, take action and light bulbs will start to go off.

    Most often the problem is that people are trying to sell products no one wants. It's easier to sell a product that solves "one" problem, than it is to sell a product that solves "many" problems.

    You must solve problems. You can't convince me to go to the Dentist if I have no toothache. You can't convince me to to take a pain killer if I'm not in pain. But, if I am in pain - and you have a pain killer, it won't take much convincing for me to buy the bloody thing off you.

    That's the game. Some peeps could sell sand in the desert, but why on earth would anyone want to do that. It's a hard sell no matter how good you are. So, find a niche where people are actively looking for a solution to their problem... and give it to them.
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    • Profile picture of the author David Burnett
      Originally Posted by retsced View Post

      Listen. There are many, many ways to make money. The structure, however, is always the same.
      1) Niche with hungry buyers
      2) Op-in form to generate leads
      3) Products to sell to hungry buyers
      4) Follow up relentlessly
      5) Make sales

      That's your overview. Step on the path, take action and light bulbs will start to go off.

      Most often the problem is that people are trying to sell products no one wants. It's easier to sell a product that solves "one" problem, than it is to sell a product that solves "many" problems.

      You must solve problems. You can't convince me to go to the Dentist if I have no toothache. You can't convince me to to take a pain killer if I'm not in pain. But, if I am in pain - and you have a pain killer, it won't take much convincing for me to buy the bloody thing off you.

      That's the game. Some peeps could sell sand in the desert, but why on earth would anyone want to do that. It's a hard sell no matter how good you are. So, find a niche where people are actively looking for a solution to their problem... and give it to them.
      I love this it is good to solve ONE PROBLEM. That's what you should be focused on.

      The goal of affiliate marketing is to help someone solve their problem... that is it. (and earn money but that comes later). You want to help people and stand out so that when they need to solve any of their problems, they come to you, their most trusted advisor.

      Once you do this, the money will just come.

      So, to change things up what I would do is instead of going to clickbank and promoting the top selling product, first find your audience. Once you have found your audience and their problem then search for a product that solves this one specific problem. (research the product, buy it, implement it, just make sure it works before you recommend it!!)

      Now what you are doing is giving people true value. This will help you stand out.

      Hope this helps I know I kind of jumped around a bit.

      David
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Originally Posted by amansanity View Post


    EDIT: I should also add that I'm in the middle of doing a web developer course but I've been slacking. Should I just complete that course and offer up services for web development?
    Since you are already doing it please continue and don't get yourself disrupted by some things that you have no idea but promises bigger returns/revenue/income. You can always make money with the things you already mastered. Web development is one of the best niches. You can develop a software and sell for the price that no once can control but you.
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  • Profile picture of the author kirajx
    Find a method that suits you and stick to it . It's hard at first but if you keep persistently trying , you'll achieve success one day.

    For your web developer course, complete it and make full use of the skills you obtained It can make you money and who knows it might be your next big business.

    Regards,
    Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author Shadowflux
      I understand where you're coming from and I think I understand the problem. You've been reading and studying, which is good, but you're trying to absorb the big picture all at once. As with many things in life such as learning a language, learning to drive, learning to cook, you need to start small so you can understand the basics.

      Stop thinking about this as "IM" and start thinking about it as starting a business, because that's what you're doing. Every business starts small. No matter what a business does, it starts with those first few orders, clients, or gigs.

      The only thing you really need to focus on is offering some sort of value. The reason you feel so many affiliate products are "just a ploy to get money" is because you don't actually believe in them. I'll be the first to admit that there is a a lot of crap out there and most of it isn't worth your time.

      What you need to do is look at yourself and your abilities, determine how you can offer enough value to someone that they will give you money, then perfect that by increasing the value you offer.

      It's really that simple. Whether you do that with products, affiliate marketing, or offering a service to other businesses, the value you add to someone (which is, essentially, your ability to help them make money) is what your business will be.

      Once you've figured it out, then you can start looking for books, guides, courses, videos, and every other type of learning resource related to your objective. Right now you're essentially reading about other people's careers without any idea of what you, personally, would like to do.

      My advice would be to stop reading about IM and do some brainstorming. Make a list of things you can do for other people, things which will make them money. Look at that list and cross out any ideas you don't feel like doing. Narrow it down to one idea which both sounds like fun and seems profitable. After you've done that, you can go back and find a book or course which will help you implement it.
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    • Profile picture of the author BillyPilgrim
      Look, you can't really get better advice that what has already been given in this thread. No method works itself. Decide which of the methods spoken about in the posts above interests you most, research the crap out of it (EzineArticles, Amazon, For Dummies.com),and dive into it. Look you can take 10-15 Ezine Articles, paste them together (leaving the resource box intact, and there's your free report to give away and start a list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    Many internet marketers make a good living off the dreams and wishes of others who want to earn legitimate online money. And, they do this by recycling existing information into ebooks and info products for sale (on various sites). All this information is the exact same, no matter where you learn it. So just take what you already know and enhance it by reading authoritative sources online (such as Google Webmaster/SEO help pages, free Youtube, videos on the subject etc) and put a plan into action for your site or niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author thedanbrown
    Online marketing is a medium which you can use to bring in customers/clients... Online marketing is not a business model in and of itself. It's important to understand that you need an actual business, you can't just be an "Internet Marketer"... what is your business model?

    Do you want to sell affiliate products, create your own products, run a service based business, sell hard goods, etc.

    Once you have clarity on what you are selling or promoting then you will be in a much better situation. Buying WSO after WSO won't get you any results. You have to take action and deploy a proven business system, then and only then will you get results.

    What I've learned is that the biggest skill you can have working online is focus. Focus on the key things you have to do each day that will get you to your goals and you will be fine. If you keep buying things rather than selling, well you will keep losing money and have nothing to show for it except a bunch of content collecting digital dust on your hard drive. Hope this helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You definitely suffering from information overload. Calm down and start doing something. It will make you feel better. Preferably, you should start off with paid advertising.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    You should not have too many things in your mind at once, just pick the best option and put all your efforts towards it and also be patient with results.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    Sounds like you are lacking commitment thats all. Not to preach but you said you are not doing well in your web developer class. Lets start there. Why don't you buckle down and learn the web develpment then you can offer your services on a site like elance or someting. With making money online you need to pick yourself a model or business plan and just focus on that. Pick one program and delete everything else in your inbox and create yourself a goal you would like to reach with your new training and then create yourself plans based on the training you are learning. Learn and take action but just one one thing and set a time frame on it all and be relistic. I can't make you do this stuff but when I started to implament this stuff my whole life changed. Its no joke! Most importantly I'm happy with what I am doing and I feel good. Don't give up! You must first become uncomfortable in order to move forward. You'll do it...
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  • Profile picture of the author dewayneboyd
    Originally Posted by amansanity View Post

    Hi guys,

    I've been reading so much about IM that every post is starting to sound the same. It's always, find a niche, find a product in that niche, create articles that promote it and profit. I've been thinking about it a lot and the more I read, the more it looks to me that every affiliate product is just a ploy for someone to extract money from another person. Every product I come across all have the same layout for sales pages, they all pitch the same "only 10 will be sold." It seems that everyone is just using the same techniques for different products. I came close to buying a lot of different products but I withheld myself. I'm starting to think that IM is not for me. Perhaps HubPages is more down my alley as I have made a couple dollars a month with a handful of articles on Triond.

    Am I right to think this way? Or do I just need to actually suck it up, purchase a WSO and implement it?

    EDIT: I should also add that I'm in the middle of doing a web developer course but I've been slacking. Should I just complete that course and offer up services for web development?
    Um, it's called the blind leading the blind. That happens all the time around here. Read my last 10 posts to find out what to really do.

    P.S. Hell no, don't write for HubPages. They use a computer program that will randomly remove your articles from search engine listings. That site has become a complete joke.
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  • Profile picture of the author SandraLarkin
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    You MUST focus on one thing at a time. You need a step by step process. You need to see that it works - then you scale, then you move onto something else that works. Main thing is focus on one hing at a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author ksmusselman
    Originally Posted by amansanity View Post


    EDIT: I should also add that I'm in the middle of doing a web developer course but I've been slacking. Should I just complete that course and offer up services for web development?
    Is this your passion? Is this something you love to do and you find you're always wanting to learn more about it - new techniques, trends, etc.?

    If so, there's YOUR niche. I think, in my opinion, if it's something you love, and there's a market for it, stick to finishing your course - but at the same time - start a blog about what you're doing and why.

    Use your blog as a way to communicate your passion; do some short screencast videos about different techniques and why they're important, etc.

    Set up a way for people to sign up for your newsletter and publish something like "the latest trends in web development" on a monthly basis.

    When you're first starting out, do NOT think about this along the lines of "making money" or "selling people." Think of this as your goal to help as many people as you can. Once you're finished with your course, offer paid services.

    This is just my opinion from the perspective that I was where you are now not too long ago. After making a good deal of money selling products to a niche market, medical conditions forced that whole business to go under.

    However - I LOVE the niche. I have a passion for it. I just wasn't able to make the products myself anymore. So I refocused the site, created a new domain, moved my blog content over to the new domain, and continue to talk about my passion, the trends, the traditions, as a way to help people and make suggestions on products they can buy that fit their needs.

    I'm virtually starting from scratch now but I'm staying focused on my passion in a very competitive niche and I'll get there.

    And you'll get there too.
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    • Profile picture of the author amansanity
      Wow! I cannot believe how many people have replied to this thread! First of, I just want to thank all of you for all your input.


      Originally Posted by ksmusselman View Post

      Is this your passion? Is this something you love to do and you find you're always wanting to learn more about it - new techniques, trends, etc.?

      If so, there's YOUR niche. I think, in my opinion, if it's something you love, and there's a market for it, stick to finishing your course - but at the same time - start a blog about what you're doing and why.

      Use your blog as a way to communicate your passion; do some short screencast videos about different techniques and why they're important, etc.

      Set up a way for people to sign up for your newsletter and publish something like "the latest trends in web development" on a monthly basis.

      When you're first starting out, do NOT think about this along the lines of "making money" or "selling people." Think of this as your goal to help as many people as you can. Once you're finished with your course, offer paid services.
      After reading this, I decided to take a good long look at the course and I've come to yet another problem. Wordpress is ever growing as well as the different themes that are available. This course goes through the very basics of web development, from the HTML coding, all the way to the design. Which honestly, seems obsolete. Now a days, people can just go on Wordpress and select a theme and they have a functioning site. Or perhaps I'm overestimating the general public... :p However, bottom line is, is there still even a market for web developers that do everything from scratch?

      Moreover, I don't want to get involved in the "make money online" niche anyway. I think I was just hung up on the idea that it's where I need to look around to start. I do have a couple ideas of niches, they're my own personal hobbies, badminton and playing guitar/piano. Mind you, I'm no expert in both so I don't see how I can create valuable offers, other than pushing readers to purchase a "Learn to play piano" ebook. Unless that IS in fact the right path to IM and I have just failed to acknowledge it.

      I guess another question I have is, when you're promoting a product, do you take the time to actually put it to use? Or do you just find reviews on it, then rewrite the reviews, publish on your site, drive traffic and profit? To me, that's what EVERY affiliate marketer looks like, not to offend any of the legitimate marketers here, but I'm just being honest.

      With that mindset, would you guys say that IM is not for me and perhaps I should just perfect my tangible skills and offer them up as a services, ie. creating websites, writing articles?
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi,

    Pull back. Take a break. Let your mind clear. Let information overload fade away. Then return to your online gig with renewed vigor to focus on doing what you most enjoy doing.
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