Using our IM skills to land a real 5 or 6 figure job...

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Hello warriors.

Just putting out the feelers to any members who have given up the IM lifestyle and returned to the job market.

I've been an online entrepreneur since 2007, living nicely as a British expat in Brazil.

It's a great place, but not good for bringing up and educating our kids, so we decided to move to New Zealand.

Thing is, to get a visa I'll need a proper job, and most of my online business is based out of Brazil, meaning it's not possible to migrate the majority of my sites with me.

So yeah, back to getting a proper job.
What should I say to prospective employers and how best should I wrap up my e-commerce experience to make me look like I'm worth giving a job to?

Any warriors have any experience of this?

Alternatively, if you live in NZ and you need a really smart online marketer to run every aspect of your online business, can you give me a job

Thanks for any ideas you may have...
#figure #job #land #real #skills
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      Originally Posted by joecason View Post

      Why work for someone else when you can work for yourself? Isn't that the reason we are all here?
      There is nothing wrong with working for other people to reach a common goal.
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      Originally Posted by joecason View Post

      Why work for someone else when you can work for yourself? Isn't that the reason we are all here?
      Because he is not getting into NZ/Aus or most other countries by providing CB /Paypal screenshots of his online ventures.
      Most countries have strict criteria for potential immigrants and unfortunately Internet Marketing is not one of them....

      Originally Posted by bradtravers1 View Post

      Marketing, advertising, web design, SEO, social media management...there are many valuable skills you have as an IM'r!
      I have to disagree, if you look at the pre-requisites (Essential Skills in Demand Lists) for NZ none of those are required skills. Plus they require you to have some sort of formal education in your filed...
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        Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

        Because he is not getting into NZ/Aus or most other countries by providing CB /Paypal screenshots of his online ventures.
        Most countries have strict criteria for potential immigrants and unfortunately Internet Marketing is not one of them....



        I have to disagree, if you look at the pre-requisites (Essential Skills in Demand Lists) for NZ none of those are required skills. Plus they require you to have some sort of formal education in your filed...
        It's the same in the UK, unfortunately. If my wife and I were to move there one day (my biggest dream come true), then I would need to get a normal job there.
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    • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
      Thanks for all the ideas so far.
      If we expand the subject - to translating our skills into a conventional workplace this could get real interesting.

      Funny thing is, when you look around, you can find some very well paid work in this area, oftentimes it looks like it probably pays better than staying solo, plus you get the added advantage of no headaches, and putting your work down come 5pm...

      Can't see myself ever giving up on my own shiz, but running an online store for some little bricks'n'mortar business who know jack about the web, and earning even a moderate 5 figure salary would probably feel like a holiday to most of us.

      Originally Posted by joecason View Post

      Why work for someone else when you can work for yourself? Isn't that the reason we are all here?
      I do work for myself, and I guess I'll keep working for myself, but I want to qualify for a visa, so I gotta look employable.
      Stupid thing is, I could probably arrive tomorrow and start earning money, and give some kid a job, but even though it's not hard to set up in NZ, it is without the visa first.

      It's very chicken and egg. No visa without a job, and no job without a visa...

      Rather than telling New Zealand immigration 'hey, I'm a self-employed, tax-avoiding, freeloading, trend-hopping internet buccaneer', I'd like to say 'Hi, I have a job with a leading e-commerce company, can I have my visa please'.

      Then get back to making some proper money
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  • Profile picture of the author SuperDJ
    OP asks members how to get a job with the IM skills he's amassed over the last 7 years.

    Response from some people: Become employed by becoming self-employed. This place makes me laugh sometimes...

    OP, like mentioned above - you just need to be able to sell yourself well. Many people say you need a formal qualification; which may or may not be correct. I have been selected for many interviews/roles in the digital marketing industry simply based off of my portfolio.

    You've learnt so much over the last 7 years that I'm sure you'll be able to find something relevant to your skillset. That being said, I don't think you will be able to get a 6 figure job without some level of experience working in/with a large team/corporate environment. [This is stated on many 'head of content/manager' roles in the UK from what I'm seen]
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  • Profile picture of the author seonutshell
    In this new Era, companies are desperately seeking for people with online marketing skills, and if you have proven that you can make money online with skills that you aqquired with trial and error, and you can prove that you know what you are doing (which i guessing you do) i doubt you will have any problems finding a well paid job with a nice wage.

    Regards, and best of luck for 2014

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    • Profile picture of the author koreancowboy
      Originally Posted by seonutshell View Post

      In this new Era, companies are desperately seeking for people with online marketing skills, and if you have proven that you can make money online with skills that you aqquired with trial and error, and you can prove that you know what you are doing (which i guessing you do) i doubt you will have any problems finding a well paid job with a nice wage.

      Regards, and best of luck for 2014

      Luke
      Yes, they are desperate for peeps with the skills that we have, because outside of the IM world...people don't have a clue what we do.

      Even if we sit them down and explain to them, step-by-step (what I did with my in-laws...an exercise in futility LOL).


      Oh, also, when it comes to formal education...yeah, I got kicked out of high school. Twice. I have, to my name, a GED and a whole year of college (although I did get a certification out of it).

      Did I mention that I also make more money than most people with college degrees?
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        My primary goal in life.... FAMILY FIRST. God bless you man. The bottom line is you are doing the right thing for your kids. That's what dads do. I would give up everything I have ,if it ment a better future for my son!

        Keep as much of what you have and take it with you. the wonder of the internet is the mobility, that's if you are not selling hard product!

        And the answer to your question... yes its more than possible. Get a good resume.. I hear there is some crazy Korean redneck uh er cowboy that does that.

        Best of luck to you and your family!
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      • Profile picture of the author MNord
        Originally Posted by koreancowboy View Post

        Yes, they are desperate for peeps with the skills that we have, because outside of the IM world...people don't have a clue what we do.

        Even if we sit them down and explain to them, step-by-step (what I did with my in-laws...an exercise in futility LOL).
        This is an interesting quote in the context of this thread. Because while what you say is (often) true, it cuts both ways: Hard-boiled IMers often have little insight into how larger businesses work, and how the hiring managers think.

        I'm an in-house marketing director responsible for hiring marketing staff. The biggest beef I have with most people that come to me looking for a job is that they really don't have a strong grasp of what actually works in marketing--they're more into the theoretical crap that most institutional marketing zombies write and regurgitate.

        On the other hand, here on WF I see a lot of the opposite: People that are probably pretty good marketers, but who say things that, from an in-house perspective, are wildly off target.

        My advice to the OP is: Become smart about the specific companies you want to work for. Look at their web presence, sign up for their lists, follow them on facebook, etc. Assess their digital strategy, and look for what is done well and what could be done better.

        Also read up on these companies individually. What do they make/do, who are their markets, who are their competitors, etc. Also, find out who is in charge of their digital marketing (this may take a phone call). Find out everything you can about that person (LinkedIn is often useful). If they've written blog posts/articles, read them carefully.

        Bottom line, understand who you are going to contact, what their business is, what they are doing in terms of marketing, and what you think could be improved.

        Call the hiring manager. Let her know that you are a digital marketer looking to make a career change, are interested in that company's industry, and that in studying how the company does its marketing you came across something you thought was very well done [be specific about what you saw], and that if she had five minutes you'd love to ask her about it.

        That's it.

        If she's receptive, ask your question and LISTEN to the answer. Ask a smart follow up question or two based on all that studying you did. DO NOT ARGUE OR TRY TO TELL HER YOU CAN DO IT BETTER. And don't keep her on the phone too long.

        Thank her for being generous with her time. Then say: As I mentioned, I'm looking to make a career change and am interested in doing digital marketing for companies similar [name of her company]. Are there any companies that you'd recommend I contact that may be hiring someone with my skills and experience?

        She may mention a few. You can ask if she knows the person you can talk to at those companies. Or [best case] she may be hiring, or at least ask for your resume. You can guess the rest from here.

        Rinse and repeat with other companies. This approach can be a lot of work, but in my experience as both a successful job hunter and a hiring manager it is the most effective way. If you just spray out resumes or respond to help wanted ads, you probably have a long road ahead.

        Good luck
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        • Profile picture of the author koreancowboy
          Originally Posted by MNord View Post

          This is an interesting quote in the context of this thread. Because while what you say is (often) true, it cuts both ways: Hard-boiled IMers often have little insight into how larger businesses work, and how the hiring managers think.

          I'm an in-house marketing director responsible for hiring marketing staff. The biggest beef I have with most people that come to me looking for a job is that they really don't have a strong grasp of what actually works in marketing--they're more into the theoretical crap that most institutional marketing zombies write and regurgitate.

          On the other hand, here on WF I see a lot of the opposite: People that are probably pretty good marketers, but who say things that, from an in-house perspective, are wildly off target.

          My advice to the OP is: Become smart about the specific companies you want to work for. Look at their web presence, sign up for their lists, follow them on facebook, etc. Assess their digital strategy, and look for what is done well and what could be done better.

          Also read up on these companies individually. What do they make/do, who are their markets, who are their competitors, etc. Also, find out who is in charge of their digital marketing (this may take a phone call). Find out everything you can about that person (LinkedIn is often useful). If they've written blog posts/articles, read them carefully.

          Bottom line, understand who you are going to contact, what their business is, what they are doing in terms of marketing, and what you think could be improved.

          Call the hiring manager. Let her know that you are a digital marketer looking to make a career change, are interested in that company's industry, and that in studying how the company does its marketing you came across something you thought was very well done [be specific about what you saw], and that if she had five minutes you'd love to ask her about it.

          That's it.

          If she's receptive, ask your question and LISTEN to the answer. Ask a smart follow up question or two based on all that studying you did. DO NOT ARGUE OR TRY TO TELL HER YOU CAN DO IT BETTER. And don't keep her on the phone too long.

          Thank her for being generous with her time. Then say: As I mentioned, I'm looking to make a career change and am interested in doing digital marketing for companies similar [name of her company]. Are there any companies that you'd recommend I contact that may be hiring someone with my skills and experience?

          She may mention a few. You can ask if she knows the person you can talk to at those companies. Or [best case] she may be hiring, or at least ask for your resume. You can guess the rest from here.

          Rinse and repeat with other companies. This approach can be a lot of work, but in my experience as both a successful job hunter and a hiring manager it is the most effective way. If you just spray out resumes or respond to help wanted ads, you probably have a long road ahead.

          Good luck
          I stand by what I said, because it's based on my experience. I've gone into quite a few interviews where, by the time it was over, it had turned into me consulting them on what they should be doing.

          Those interviews turned into job offers, BTW.


          Also, I would recommend reaching out to some recruiters at some (digital) marketing agencies down there...they're a great resource IMO.
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          • Profile picture of the author MNord
            Originally Posted by koreancowboy View Post

            I stand by what I said, because it's based on my experience. I've gone into quite a few interviews where, by the time it was over, it had turned into me consulting them on what they should be doing.

            Those interviews turned into job offers, BTW.


            Also, I would recommend reaching out to some recruiters at some (digital) marketing agencies down there...they're a great resource IMO.

            Sounds like you're damn good. Want a job? Seriously though, I don't discount what you're saying at all. At some point I will leave and go solo in part for the reasons you say.
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            • Profile picture of the author koreancowboy
              Originally Posted by MNord View Post

              Sounds like you're damn good. Want a job? Seriously though, I don't discount what you're saying at all. At some point I will leave and go solo in part for the reasons you say.
              LOL I try man, I try.

              Good luck in your future endeavours.
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    @Savidge4 Thanks man.
    It's a big step for sure, but one we're determned to make, and hey, I built up my online business from zip, so I'm very confident I can do the same again.
    Can't take most of my business with me, as I specialise in selling Brazilian stuff, that you can only buy here.

    But hey, like I say, I'm quite sure we can pick up with something new, or I can whore out my services so that's not the problem

    Thanks for your feedback.
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      I'll hire you for 5 figures a year $10,000 a year . In all seriousness, do you have a specialized skill that you can show proof that you're adequately trained in? I imagine that it shouldn't be difficult if you have a degree (i guess college can serve its purpose).

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      This will allow you to call the government site of the city you're interested in moving to. Call these places and explain that you're relocating and looking for a job, and they will tell you if they can help you or not.
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    5 or 6 figures? So you'll take a job in the range of $10,000 to $999,999? LOL
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    You need to put together a resume package.

    And the best way to do so is to create one online - and on its own site. Not only will this impress prospective employers, but it will be perfectly in keeping with the job market you wish to enter.

    Talk about all of your accomplishments in your IM career and, just like any regular resume, do so in a chronological order.
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    @Victoria Stone, and MNord

    Great advice and contributions to this thread, thanks a lot.
    Already doing a few of the things you suggest, but picked up some real gems from your comments.
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    Have you fully explored the possibility of moving there as a business owner? I'm no expert on the subject but there seems to be a lot of information on the subject. There are even some AU government info pages in this google search...

    https://www.google.com/search?q=requ...sm=93&ie=UTF-8
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    If you really do have “IM SKILLS” why do you need to work for some other person?
    After all, IM is all about being independent isn’t it?
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Hello,
    If you have good Internet Marketing skills So why are you applying for job put some more time and effort on IM and i hope you'll be succeeded.
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  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    The word JOB(just over broke - working for someone else) and using my IM skills makes me sick. Why would I let somebody put a price tag on everything I know and tell me how much I'm worth? If I want to use my skills out in the real world I'll do it through consulting and charge however much I wanna charge.
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    • Profile picture of the author MNord
      Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

      The word JOB(just over broke - working for someone else) and using my IM skills makes me sick. Why would I let somebody put a price tag on everything I know and tell me how much I'm worth? If I want to use my skills out in the real world I'll do it through consulting and charge however much I wanna charge.
      I totally get it--and I am probably in the early stages of going that route myself. But still quite a ways off, I think.

      On the other hand, don't underestimate how deep some companies' pockets are, and how much they'll pay someone that knows how to make them money . And there are other factors for some of us. For the OP, for instance, a job is apparently necessary to immigrate to New Zealand.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
    Wow, did people in here even read past the subject line?

    The OP is looking for a job with a company because that's a requirement for an NZ Visa. Damn, maybe that must be put in bold and big font at the top lol

    Anyway, cannot offer much in the way of advice, except that MNord's approach is by far the best and most likely the only one that's gonna get you results.

    Really hope it works out for you mate - I love NZ personally and would love to move some day :-)

    Sagar
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    • Profile picture of the author Teravel
      Originally Posted by Sagar Mehta View Post

      Wow, did people in here even read past the subject line?

      The OP is looking for a job with a company because that's a requirement for an NZ Visa. Damn, maybe that must be put in bold and big font at the top lol
      The OP stated his question, but he may not realize that 'Getting a Job" may not be his only option. I sure as hell wouldn't "Get a Job" if I wanted to move there. Instead, I would contact a lawyer in that area to find out all the different ways I can stay without "Getting a Job".

      I'm sure New Zealand doesn't require everyone to find jobs to stay in the country. If this was the case, no wealthy person would ever spend more than a business trip worth of time there. It makes no sense if you think about it logically.

      With your IM skills, you should be able to find a lawyer in your NZ area that can help you with your problem, and offer a much wider range of solutions. Especially over the guess work that's been done in this thread so far.

      Originally Posted by Ripster View Post

      There is nothing wrong with working for other people to reach a common goal.
      Working FOR someone, and working WITH someone, are extremely different. Knowing what I know, and doing what I do, I would never work FOR someone for any reason. This doesn't mean I won't work WITH people, especially in the business world.

      I'm with Joecason. Why sell yourself short, when you've already proven you can reach higher heights.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
        Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

        The OP stated his question, but he may not realize that 'Getting a Job" may not be his only option. I sure as hell wouldn't "Get a Job" if I wanted to move there. Instead, I would contact a lawyer in that area to find out all the different ways I can stay without "Getting a Job".
        That does make quite a lot of sense.

        I looked up NZ Visas and found a few where you can invest a certain amount of actual money in NZ (in govt bonds etc from what I've read on their site) to get visa for 4 years, and then eventually PR. This includes visas for your family and such.

        So yes, thanks for adding that perspective here :-)

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    just show them how much you eran per month and suggest to make a pro im business for them . become aka coach for them
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    Uh, what happened to my original post?
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  • Profile picture of the author karukera
    If you are comfortable money wise, just get in as a student Visa with the cheapest course they have/or whatever interests you. That's gonna buy you more time (at least a year) to actually look for a proper job there/think about the next step. Of course, that's if you don't care about coughing a few $$$$ for the tuition fees. But it should not be an issue as you seem like an already full time IMer.
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    This is interesting situation So this means you can't enter NZ and live there if you have no job, but all the money to live and spend money on economy?
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    • Profile picture of the author Teravel
      Originally Posted by JosephK35000 View Post

      This is interesting situation So this means you can't enter NZ and live there if you have no job, but all the money to live and spend money on economy?
      Exactly! It makes no sense at all

      I looked up NZ Visas and found a few where you can invest a certain amount of actual money in NZ (in govt bonds etc from what I've read on their site) to get visa for 4 years, and then eventually PR. This includes visas for your family and such.
      I wouldn't trust a website to sell you a visa, that's just asking for a world of shit that you don't want.

      The OP needs to contact a lawyer in the area they want to move, and ask what viable ways there are to enter into and live in the country, without getting a "Job".

      If it was me, I would ask how I could start a new business there. Setting up a legal business that is taxable shouldn't be very difficult or expensive, and should get you into a much strong position for a Visa. Then all you need is to take what you learned in Brazil, and use that to build a business for yourself.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sagar Mehta
        Originally Posted by Teravel View Post

        I wouldn't trust a website to sell you a visa, that's just asking for a world of shit that you don't want.

        The OP needs to contact a lawyer in the area they want to move, and ask what viable ways there are to enter into and live in the country, without getting a "Job"
        Yep, I wouldn't trust such a site either. I looked up the official government site though :-)

        And definitely agree with getting a proper lawyer for this.

        Wish you the best OP!
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    I'm loving that this thread has opened up a bit and I think many of the points apply to plenty of warriors thinking about re-locating.

    My biggest problem is that I don't have that much of a paper trail, if you know what I mean.
    I'm an expat, so kind of drift between two systems keeping as low a profile as possible.

    Thanks for everyone just saying wing-it, and that's exactly what I'm used to doing, but New Zealand is no Brazil, and I susupect the authorities are a little more 'on the case'.

    Great thing for any warrior planning to relocate is that even if we can't take our current businesses with us, we can use exactly the same skills, wherever we live.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brennen Noble
    Try getting in touch with Mr. Green, he is a (native AFAIK) NZ IMer and may have some connections that could work something out.

    His blog: http://mrgreen.am

    He also is one of the guys that runs stackthatmoney.com
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew_Wardle
      Here is what I would do in this situation -

      1) Make sure that you know exactly what the law is. That means getting it from the horse's mouth. Can you set up whatever limited company structure exists in New Zealand, and employ yourself? Can you get in as a student while supporting yourself through IM?

      If not, and you definitely need a corporate job to qualify for a visa, then do the following -

      2) Create the best possible resume based on the skills you have, and what you could bring to a corporate organisation. You may need more than one, if you have varied skills and can offer different benefits to different organisations.

      3) Get a LinkedIn profile, if you haven't already got one. Business decision makers and recruiters are found in large numbers on LinkedIn, and many people have managed to get jobs through the connections they have made there. Join groups, and use TopLinked to expand your number of contacts. Make sure your profile reflects the skills which you could bring to a corporate entity.

      4) Depending on the type of business you have, you may be able to expand it to cover offering services to businesses in New Zealand from where you are now. If you can work with business owners and improve their sales figures from a remote location, you will have something solid to demonstrate to anyone who is prepared to consider employing you.

      5) Create a free PDF course on how to market your business online. Give it to as many NZ business owners as possible. One of them may be impressed enough to contact you, and they may have an in-house marketing department.

      6) Keep applying for as many jobs as you can find which fit the skills you have, keep networking on LinkedIn, and keep offering your services to NZ businesses from a remote location while you are looking. It may be possible to form a business entity in NZ together with a local resident, if you have made the right connections.
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    @Brennen, nice, I'll definitely get on his case.
    (Good luck with the new wso by the way, looking forward to having a play with it)

    @Alan_Wardle.Solid stuff mate, thanks...

    1. Check - Good idea and one I'm working on.

    2. Check. used to be (s'pose I still am) a copywriter. Used to write CVs for my mates

    3. Check, Already scouting out firms and sending enquiries.

    4. Done, I even have a NZ Skype

    5. That's a very solid idea. I really like that.


    So let's open things up.

    Imagine you want to move to a new country (and I know a lot of us do), now let's list the skills we can bring to a standard bricks and mortar company and how to sell those skills.

    The good thing about what most of us do here, is that these skills are actually hugely valued by companies of all sizes.

    Since I began scouting out jobs, in order to qualify for my migrant visa, I've seen companies of all sizes advertsing for SEO managers, e-commerce managers and even social profile managers, (shit that's something most of us do in our spare time ffs)

    And some of these jobs pay serious cash - easily comparable to what most members here make I suspect, and a good deal more than anyone earning from Fiverr, or whoring themselves out as a freelancer, will probably ever see in a year.

    In many cases, the skills we have developed as internet professionals, are probably worth more on the open market, than they are to us working solo.

    I mean, just imagine how much traffic you could generate if your boss told you you had a budget of 200K a year, or that they needed an email to send out to their 3 million subscribers.

    Advertising on Facebook, or ranking on Google Places are concepts that didn't exist half a decade ago. Just think how much value you offer to an employer when you mention your 3 years experience ranking small and medium businesses, or how many company FB pages you made already.

    The more I look into this the giddier I feel...

    I've just seen an ecommerce manager's position in NZ that pays around $70K (US), for a surf and leisure clothing company. They have 10 physical stores and an average website which they want to (and I quote) turn into their 11th - and most successful - store.

    OK, for some of us the money's not mind-blowing, but it's steady enough, and for a lot of latecomers to the IM game, it's probably more than they'll ever make via Freelancer or Fiverr or by writing eBooks or whatever.

    So if you're a learned and skillful member of the forum, who through no fault of your own and not for like of technique or knowledge, is still not making good money online, maybe it's time to look at the massive boom in small to medium sized companies searching for exactly what you have to offer.

    After all, why bust your balls and break your bank learning how to turn $10 into 30 with Facebook ads when some mom and pop store will give you a good salary and a 30K annual advertising budget to do it for them instead?

    No stress, no late nights, just show up, do what comes natural and then ship out come 4.30pm


    I love the IM lifestyle, I really have lived the dream, but 'll be quite happy now to scale things down for a couple of years and take the lower salary.
    In fact, it'll probably feel like a holiday.

    Are you looking to re-locate or migrate and need a job?

    Or would you just like to find a proper career that lets you do the kind of things you do now, but actually earn a good salary from it?


    I'm sure I'm not the only one, so let's grow this into a useful resource...

    Share your thoughts and ideas please...
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    • Profile picture of the author koreancowboy
      Imagine you want to move to a new country (and I know a lot of us do), now let's list the skills we can bring to a standard bricks and mortar company and how to sell those skills.

      The good thing about what most of us do here, is that these skills are actually hugely valued by companies of all sizes.


      They do...promise me that your head won't grow too large from hearing "your resume looks awesome" at every interview.

      Since I began scouting out jobs, in order to qualify for my migrant visa, I've seen companies of all sizes advertsing for SEO managers, e-commerce managers and even social profile managers, (shit that's something most of us do in our spare time ffs)

      Yeah I know, on the West Coast here in America, my going rate to be a "Online Community Manager" is about $40-50/hour.

      To run a forum.

      And their FB page.

      Don't forget about their twitter!



      And some of these jobs pay serious cash - easily comparable to what most members here make I suspect, and a good deal more than anyone earning from Fiverr, or whoring themselves out as a freelancer, will probably ever see in a year.

      $40-50/hour equates to about $83-104,000/year.

      In many cases, the skills we have developed as internet professionals, are probably worth more on the open market, than they are to us working solo.

      I mean, just imagine how much traffic you could generate if your boss told you you had a budget of 200K a year, or that they needed an email to send out to their 3 million subscribers.


      Yeah, at TKF, my monthly budget was 10K/month...not bad to promote a forum.

      Advertising on Facebook, or ranking on Google Places are concepts that didn't exist half a decade ago. Just think how much value you offer to an employer when you mention your 3 years experience ranking small and medium businesses, or how many company FB pages you made already.

      Why more people aren't doing this until they get to where they're going, I'll never understand why...

      The more I look into this the giddier I feel...

      I've just seen an ecommerce manager's position in NZ that pays around $70K (US), for a surf and leisure clothing company. They have 10 physical stores and an average website which they want to (and I quote) turn into their 11th - and most successful - store.

      OK, for some of us the money's not mind-blowing, but it's steady enough, and for a lot of latecomers to the IM game, it's probably more than they'll ever make via Freelancer or Fiverr or by writing eBooks or whatever.

      So if you're a learned and skillful member of the forum, who through no fault of your own and not for like of technique or knowledge, is still not making good money online, maybe it's time to look at the massive boom in small to medium sized companies searching for exactly what you have to offer.

      After all, why bust your balls and break your bank learning how to turn $10 into 30 with Facebook ads when some mom and pop store will give you a good salary and a 30K annual advertising budget to do it for them instead.


      Exactly.

      No stress, no late nights, just show up, do what comes natural and then ship out come 4.30pm.

      I love the IM lifestyle, I really have lived the dream, but 'll be quite happy now to scale things down for a couple of years and take the lower salary.


      In fact, it'll probably feel like a holiday.

      It does.
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  • Profile picture of the author submit_articles
    Oh well, that's an easy sell.

    Show your employer how you can use your IM skills to help boost sales

    And yup, nothing wrong with going back to a job. Sometimes, life is actually EASIER with a job.

    The business-owner or IM lifestyle may not be suitable for everyone.

    Originally Posted by PeckhamPirate View Post

    Hello warriors.

    Just putting out the feelers to any members who have given up the IM lifestyle and returned to the job market.

    I've been an online entrepreneur since 2007, living nicely as a British expat in Brazil.

    It's a great place, but not good for bringing up and educating our kids, so we decided to move to New Zealand.

    Thing is, to get a visa I'll need a proper job, and most of my online business is based out of Brazil, meaning it's not possible to migrate the majority of my sites with me.

    So yeah, back to getting a proper job.
    What should I say to prospective employers and how best should I wrap up my e-commerce experience to make me look like I'm worth giving a job to?

    Any warriors have any experience of this?

    Alternatively, if you live in NZ and you need a really smart online marketer to run every aspect of your online business, can you give me a job

    Thanks for any ideas you may have...
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  • Profile picture of the author Slin
    Interesting to read Glad to hear that you're landing in a good position.

    I'm about to graduate college and I'm interviewing with 2 companies to be an seo manager. This internet marketing is really paying off!
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  • Profile picture of the author elidean
    Let us know how this works out for you, very interested
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  • Profile picture of the author carlamae
    I agree, be honest....you have a whack of skills there, you won't have a problem finding a job. Keep us posted and all the best!
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