Do all those $497 courses really work?

by dtul
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I was just wondering whether or not those $497 and up training courses actually do work. I'm sure they have valuable content, but do the majority of people who take them ever see a return on their investment?

It seems like I have seen a lot more being promoted lately and they always tout large numbers of users. Would the respective markets that each course targets not become saturated by all the people joining the courses and then implementing the course teachings all at once?
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
    a $7 course can work if it is applied by the right person...

    Danny
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    The majority of people will never see a profitable return
    on any course because the majority of people won't have
    the discipline to do what's required.
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketerRon
      Originally Posted by Tsnyder View Post

      The majority of people will never see a profitable return
      on any course because the majority of people won't have
      the discipline to do what's required.
      Correct! You have to smell it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peak Curiosity
      I agree with you, because I myself have become a victim with not enough discipline.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peak Curiosity
      I purchased a course from Alex Jeffrey's for $20, which he used to sell for over $900 in 2010. In my opinion the information he laid down on that course still applies to this day.
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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    The majority of people will never see a profitable return
    on any course because the majority of people won't have
    the discipline to do what's required.
    That's why there's a 98% failure rate. It's got nothing to do with specific courses or their price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    I paid $497 for a course called "Getting Rich With EBooks". When I initially bought it, I wrote a few eBooks, built a site, etc...but I didn't do what the course was REALLY telling me to do.

    The course was all about outsourcing everything, building a list, giving the eBook away for free, and getting lots of traffic.

    However, I instead focused on trying to "sell books"...not thinking about it in the intelligent marketing way that I should've been. I still never made back that $497...but that's only because I didn't do things properly.

    Fast forward to today...after being on this forum, I'm now getting the same exact advice that was given to me in that program, and I'm now focusing on doing things the right way.

    Maybe I could've saved myself $497, but in all honesty it got me to take action and start trying things. Also, since I was too cheap to outsource anything, I learned how to do all of the other stuff myself (format eBooks, build my own site, make my own cover, etc.).

    All in all, the course was worth it i think.

    I think the course goes for $897 nowadays.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtul
    Thanks for the replies, I was just curious if a lot of them were scams or if they would actually work if the people following it actually applied the teachings and did it as told.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    Create an eBook, give it away for free on a content-filled website, get traffic, build list, sell more stuff to them.

    That's the info you would get for $897 with the course I mentioned above!

    However the $897 would probably make you work much harder than you would otherwise .
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    • Profile picture of the author MarketerRon
      Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

      Create an eBook, give it away for free on a content-filled website, get traffic, build list, sell more stuff to them.

      That's the info you would get for $897 with the course I mentioned above!

      However the $897 would probably make you work much harder than you would otherwise .
      Yes, once you pay for a course it makes you work harder just to justify the expense.
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    The cost of a course is not the most important factor. I have learned from $2,000 courses and I have learned from free courses and everything on between.

    The most I have learned from actually doing things.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    As others have indicated, it's not really the price tag that matters. I've seen absolute garbage courses for $1,500 and I've seen amazing guides that were free, and everything between. The steps I'd take to choose the right course for you would be:

    1) Determine what you'd like to go into (what sounds most intriguing to you?).
    2) Determine the top "teachers" or "mentors" in that specific space.
    3) Check track records/backgrounds to make sure they are the "real deal."
    4) Move forward & FULLY APPLY their teachings!

    Obviously, the price tag has to be obtainable, but don't assume a course is good just because it's expensive (and the opposite of course, as well).
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  • Profile picture of the author tehdellguy22
    i've bought a few amazing guides that were only $20. all in all, i've probably only bought $200 worth of guides over years and i've done pretty well for myself. $500 though? that sounds like a hogwash product to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author MoRaitman
    No one can generalize if all courses are legit and success bearing or not. There are so many different relative components that have to be taken into account.
    Price could be an indicator but not necessarily.
    Do your research and and feel if the course delivers and one you can relate to.
    Choose a coach you feel has your interests at heart to succeed.
    Then stay the course. FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS
    Real legit coaches/courses offer 30-60 money guarantee so give it a chance and if you feel its not a match, return the product.
    What works for me, may not work for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kate Smith
    I wouldn't pay $497 for a course myself. The best advice has already been given, find a plan and stick to it. You can learn most of what you need to know by searching in the Warrior Forum and by searching Youtube whenever you have a question.

    It's really not complicated it just takes massive effort to get started.

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  • Profile picture of the author MarketerRon
    Originally Posted by dtul View Post

    I was just wondering whether or not those $497 and up training courses actually do work. I'm sure they have valuable content, but do the majority of people who take them ever see a return on their investment?

    It seems like I have seen a lot more being promoted lately and they always tout large numbers of users. Would the respective markets that each course targets not become saturated by all the people joining the courses and then implementing the course teachings all at once?
    I've just undertaken a more expensive training course and after just 2 weeks I reckon it was worth every penny. I can see a good return on my investment. The markets will never become saturated, IMHO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    No they do NOT work – they only work for the people selling them. The people buying them end up regretting their error.

    Well, now I am sure many people are going to scream and rant and say that what I have said is not true – you can be sure that these are the ones selling these courses – or associated with the ones doing so.

    You can buy a sales funnel for 7 bucks and start making money online – why buy something that costs 500 bucks – and gives you no guarantee that you will MMO?

    All the best. Regards.
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  • Profile picture of the author dtul
    Just to clarify I'm not planning on buying any course like this. I've spent around $150 on IM since I started and almost every bit of information I paid for, I have found for free somewhere else. There have been a couple useful ones, and both of those were $7 and $3 respectively. I was just curious if people who buy those courses actually make money off their purchase or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author wrcato2
    @dtul, The reason you can find the same information in a paid product for free elsewhere by doing a good search is because lazy product creators hire someone to write the ebook for them on the cheap and don't check the content before selling it.

    I have purchased 5 dollar products and up ward and have learn at least one thing from them. Generally, from the higher priced products a lot more than one thing.

    The last product I purchased was how to make money freelance writing. I followed the advice in the 30 page report made my money back by the next day. I like it so much that I spent the last 4 learning the systems and watching other writers bid style, jobs they have completed and reading their samples.
    Now I make a whole lot more money freelancing.
    But it all started with that 30 page report.

    Before you buy a product, follow the person by reading their blog, get on their email list, read their freebies and anything you can get your hands on. Check out testimonials and read reviews on their products.
    If you like the person you are following and know that they are not scamming anyone then buy their product. Read it for the entertainment. Then re-read it and apply what they are teaching.
    But it will always be up to you to make money, not others.

    Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author ephicil
      Most of that material can be found for free online if you take the time to look.

      Smartpassiveincome and Quicksprout are two really good resources that give out great information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    And steveplavina.com
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Jeffels
    It all depends on the individual.

    If they're handed a quality viable course that will show them start to finish on how to be a success in their field of interest then it's worth it .

    Because you'll make that money back many times over.

    However, you know what the big question is? Are they even going to take the Action it takes to be successful?

    I've lost count on how many people I've heard say they've ordered XYZ course and they haven't even taken the damn thing out of the box.

    So, here's to the people that take action on their goals that they want to achieve.

    And unfortunately there's always going to be people that have one excuse after another why they failed.


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  • Profile picture of the author heseg
    With a $497.00 price tag for a course, it should be good. Most courses have a money back guarantee for the first 30 to 60 days; if you think it is a scam, get your refund and move on. Don't expect huge results overnight, only 10% of everyone buying into a course will ever do 90% of what the course tells you to do. It is the same anywhere you go, no matter what you are dealing with, 10% make 90% of the money.
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  • Profile picture of the author bostjan33
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    Originally Posted by dtul View Post

    I was just wondering whether or not those $497 and up training courses actually do work. I'm sure they have valuable content, but do the majority of people who take them ever see a return on their investment?

    It seems like I have seen a lot more being promoted lately and they always tout large numbers of users. Would the respective markets that each course targets not become saturated by all the people joining the courses and then implementing the course teachings all at once?
    To put it simply: NO.
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    • Profile picture of the author heavysm
      Damn, this reminds me of a WSO "coaching program" that went for $497. The ideas were profitable, no doubt. But the execution of the coaching was vomit-like in consistency and clarity. I was seriously in awe at how much i paid for so little clarity as far as what to do, even when i reached out to ask specific questions.

      I already knew some of the methods and they were actually convoluted in the coaching this dude was delivering. Main reason i will never trust this marketer - who happens to be a relatively big name - ever again.

      In the opposite direction I've also worked $9 WSO's to the tune of several grand in profit, simply because I found my own creative edge to get things rolling. So in a big way it is up to the person to work the method. Even methods in free WSO's can be worked up to be full on businesses.

      In my view, however, I say to save for something big. Nevermind $497, we're talking about coaching that might run a few grand. Find a good top name marketer and jump onto their coaching.

      PM me for a few good names if you're interested (no affiliate links here ). I know what it's like to search and work your ass off just to come up short for whatever reason. I've also reached out to quite a few on this forum and other similar forums so i know who i would and would not like to work with as far as handing over a few grand to learn some real sh!t
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  • Profile picture of the author aceshigh888
    what $497 course are you talking about? I want to see it
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    A really famous IM (I won't disclose his name) bought a $2K IM course and made $6K his first month.

    Before that, he wasted tens of thousands of bucks on high-ticket low-value offers.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4DayWeekend
      Most $500+ products are well researched, written and jam packed with good information, as you'd expect.

      That's not to say you can't get great information for a lot less though.

      But generalising, in most cases you get what you pay for.

      However, for $500, what you don't get a robot that is going to do the work for you. Because of that, it doesn't matter how good the information is, there will be plenty of people who don't see a ROI.
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    • Profile picture of the author DubDubDubDot
      Whether nor not they work depends on your expectations. If you think you are going to pay $500 and come away from it with knowledge to earn six figures a year, guess again. If you want to pay $500 to save time digging up otherwise freely available info, perhaps in that sense it works.

      Originally Posted by JRJWrites View Post

      A really famous IM (I won't disclose his name) bought a $2K IM course and made $6K his first month.

      Before that, he wasted tens of thousands of bucks on high-ticket low-value offers.
      99% chance it didn't happen that way.
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      • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
        Originally Posted by DubDubDubDot View Post

        99% chance it didn't happen that way.
        I have no idea what your problem is, but it DID happen that way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Riki Stein
          To summarize all the posts which are all saying the same thing:

          -Just because something costs $497 or $897 does not mean it's a good product.
          -Look very carefully at reviews, make sure there are lots of them, and good ones, and not just ones from his friends.

          -Try to research a little about the vendor:
          -does he deliver on his promises?
          -How does he handle refund requests?
          -How does he handle customer service requests?

          -Has anyone actually been successful following his methods?

          -You can sometimes gain much more, or the same, from a $7 WSO as a $847 one. It's just that you'll work harder with the latter because you want to get your money's worth. And because the latter has a higher perceived value so you think you're going to be gaining a whole lot more.

          In short, what really works when deciding whether to purchase a course:
          -A very clear step-by-step blueprint, leaving no detail out.
          -Easy access to the creator when you get stuck with something (many help desks I've encountered haven't really helped me get to the core of my issues; access to the creator would be nice but not always possible,especially for $7).
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    • Profile picture of the author aceshigh888
      Originally Posted by JRJWrites View Post

      A really famous IM (I won't disclose his name) bought a $2K IM course and made $6K his first month.

      Before that, he wasted tens of thousands of bucks on high-ticket low-value offers.
      Can you tell me what course that is???
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  • Profile picture of the author Dimore
    Most importantly is do follow what you are taught in any cause, they do work but only when applying what you are being taught.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by dtul View Post

    I was just wondering whether or not those $497 and up training courses actually do work.
    Wrong question. Obviously, courses don't work - it's not like buying a car or an iPhone. You might as well ask do degrees work?

    A well-structured course is designed to prepare you for what you, yourself, will have to end up doing. Therefore, before you spend any money - or time - on training, decide exactly what it is that you want to achieve. Then find the appropriate tools that will help you achieve it.

    If you put all your faith in a product that claims it will make you successful, you're just asking for disappointment.


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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Do all those $497 courses really work?

      Of course not.

      The bad ones work really well at separating marks from their money.

      The good ones don't work either. They teach. You work.
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  • Profile picture of the author HalDavis
    I've bought both - small and large$$ courses... sometimes the smaller ones have been better for me because they are more focused on a particular task instead of being an information overload from the large course, that really seems sometimes like they just stuff a bunch of "information Overload" to make you feel like you got your money's worth.. usually do your research on the person selling the course to see if they have a good reputation or not?? good luck.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tsnyder
    Need to toss a point out there for all those who think
    buying "how to" info is a waste of money because most
    of the info can be found for free online...

    Seriously?

    If you have no experience you don't even know what
    to look for. You don't know what you don't know. Finding
    the right info on your own would be pure luck and luck isn't
    a business plan.

    Even if you could find the info you really need it would take
    an inordinate amount of time. Time has value. Wasting it
    because you think you can do something on your own that
    you don't know how to do isn't a good business plan.

    The value in buying information is that someone has already
    taken the time to find or develop the correct information and
    compile it into a step by step road map for you to follow. That
    has value.
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  • Profile picture of the author aceshigh888
    Most every course on the market does 1 thing. They show the process of how to build a site, find a product or affiliates products, build traffic etc etc. By the time you've gone threw it you're thinking "wow this is a lot of work". So then they say in the course "but don't worry you can promote our product as an affiliate and pocket half the money, that way you don't have to come up with a product". So essencially it's just a big ponzy scheme. Most every product on Clickbank does this.

    I'm sure there's probably a few good products out there. And I'd like to get my hands on one if someone can recommend a good one to me, even if I have to pay for it. But most I've seen are no different than any book you can buy at the book store. Like there's that Internet Marketing for Dummies book. It's a big thick book. And it's actually all up to date, well writen, and packed full of good info. But they don't tell you "what specifically to do". It's more just: 1) here's the field 2) here's the seed 3) here's how you plant it. now go to it. Because lets face it, if someone actually has a system are they really gonna share the exact specifics with anyone else and create competition for themselves? probably not.

    Oh ya here's what that book looks like. I should get a copy actually just for kicks. But I appreciate a book like this, where it's real info, and they're not trying to just sucker you into becoming an affiliate. The only draw back is they're not giving you specific inside information on what exact method to follow. It's a bunch of methods. All just there, and they're like "go to it". So again, not useless but not exactly teaching you how to operate and perform the surgery.



    Ya so I don't know if I wasted my money but I ordered a copy off Amazon for 27 bucks. It's 936 pages and it's unbiased education which I appreciate. No hidden con artist agendas.
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    • Profile picture of the author TatiW3B
      You're asking the absolute wrong question here.

      I've purchased several courses over the years, some for less, some for more.

      Let me begin by briefly explaining to you why the majority of them are priced at $497. Consumer psychology. $497 looks much less daunting to the average consumer than $500, even though it's only a difference of $3. Think about it. $9.99 at Walmart instead of just saying $10 ? This is the business we're in. You feel better about spending $497 than $500.

      Now to address the courses. I never made money from any of those courses I purchased. Does that mean it's not possible? Absolutely not. All that means is that I never applied any of that information.

      Was it wasted money? Heck no. I'm glad I purchased all of those products over the years, and I'll explain why:
      1. I started to learn about consumer psychology.
      2. I stopped being afraid of spending money and stopped being afraid of failing at internet marketing and business. (huge milestones right there)
      3. I learned about the psychology behind the sales process that led me to buy.
      4. I learned effective ways to put information products together, should I ever choose to create my own (and I will down the road).
      5. I learned that a PRODUCT is not going to make me money, no matter how good it is. ACTION will. (another huge milestone)

      It's SO easy to think that purchasing a high ticket product will make you rich over night. Don't fall into that trap.

      My biggest recommendation to you is that if you are going to purchase anything, do your research and enter into the purchase keeping the 5 things I listed in mind. Truly see it as an educational experience.

      Also, look into learning more about business (in general) and your own personal development. Both of those will set you down the right path. Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author J50
    Most people who want to be in this business do not have the personality traits nor the intelligence to really succeed in this space, that's just the sad reality of life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kingshouse
    I am sure there are some 'bad' courses out there at $497 however people generally do not DO what the 'trainer' asks them to. In short, a lot of people seem to KNOW what to do BUT they just never DO IT!

    They lose interest very quickly as most of what people seem interested in is 'instant gratification'. It sells well too.

    I also think that people need some sort of support so that they can ask questions if they get stuck. It is for this reason I include some email support in my basic training.

    That's the long version.

    The short version is people fail to follow through even a $7 never mind a $497 one. I do think you get a better return on a $497 course though as no one really wants to lose that amount of money and get nothing in return.

    Just my thoughts...

    Will D Kingshouse
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