Twitter Account Banned

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Hi guys are you noticing this new trend?

Many twitter accounts are being suspended/banned over the past few days. My good friend's account which had a following of 12,000 followers was also banned.

I think it is due to mass unfollowing using software bots, so if you are using any bots, STOP NOW! at least for the time being.

Twitter has new detection system that is banning people if it crosses their radar.

Watch out warriors.

-James
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  • Profile picture of the author William Level
    You're right I too have noticed the bans on Twitter. I think it's absolutely because of the software bots. If any of you are guilty and you want to keep your Twitter account better take notice quick.
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  • Profile picture of the author JoieDeVivre
    Thanks for the warning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bakai
    All the spam I get at twitter has pretty much convinced me to just stay away. I think it is for the best. Leave the blatant spamming for youtube, where it belongs...
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  • Profile picture of the author PamelaR
    I had one banned this past week right after I used karma to unfollow people. It's got me a little scared since I manage multiple accts. When I appealed the ban I was told it was for aggressive following.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anna Johnson
    So is the problem using bots that mass follow or mass unfollow... or both? Interesting...
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    I'm not sure what exactly the problem is, but I would suspect that it
    has to do with all the automation software that is available to us.

    I actually just deactivated my Tweetlater auto-dm that goes out to all new followers.

    I was getting followed by 30 or 40 BOGUS accounts a day for about a week straight
    a couple of weeks ago.

    Was really annoying and it could have been the last straw for twitter.

    One other thing to keep in mind that it may not be bc of mass follow or unfollows either.

    People have multiple accounts from same IP address which may raise a red flag as well.

    I think there was another trhead about YouTube suspending multiple accounts if on
    the same ip address.

    I think the way to stay in the clear is to UN-automate your twitter marketing as much
    as possible.

    - Jason
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    • Profile picture of the author hangtimenino
      Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

      I think the way to stay in the clear is to UN-automate your twitter marketing as much
      as possible.

      - Jason
      You said it right. Lately we have been twittering with robots, and gone were the sincere, thank you's and your welcome.
      And everyday you just get swamped with gazillions of tweets, that you dont even know where to start.
      I think its just about time they start cleaning up twitter.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    The whole reason twitter became popular is because it allows relationships to be build, and content to be shared between like minded people. When you automate who you follow it looses it's USP, and everyone will lose out.

    Stop using bots we don't want this communication channel to end up the same way as email where you have to double opt-in to make sure that your followers are real people.
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  • Profile picture of the author kckaz
    I think I'll deactivate tweetlater auto-unfollow as well. I have grown my list manually and don't want to screw it up because of automated unfollow.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    Karma just works for around the first 6000 ( I know they say 10,000) so if the accounts have more followers than that it is not the culprit .

    The last time twitter was compromised a lot of people didn't realize that their accounts were also. A lot of those tainted accounts are now disappearing in this new round of house cleaning as a result .
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    • Profile picture of the author Dollface
      I'm still learning Twitter, and this just scares me to death! How do I keep from getting the boot?
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      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by Dollface View Post

        I'm still learning Twitter, and this just scares me to death! How do I keep from getting the boot?
        Just don't do anything your momma wouldn't be proud of and they'll leave you alone
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Fullman
      Originally Posted by PLM View Post

      How do you thank a person in these posts because I'd like to give Mr. Wright a high five with that statement. I just joined Twitter myself recently and it's little confusing for a tech unsavvy dude like myself. I guess I'm a "twit" now?

      Aside from the cool factor of learning a social site that I can broadcast "tweets" from to friends and followers, I am already annoyed by the UNSOLICITED spam I've been getting on my twitter account. I think they need to crack down hard and fast or the ones abusing this will turn it into a trash heap fast. It reminds me of the early west days of aol and emails.

      -Priest
      I agree, great post. Welcome to the forum, BTW, Priest.

      There's a Thanks button...bottom right.

      Just a word to the wise...affiliate links aren't allowed here.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    I will disagree it is the bots... Yes there are many that does "SpaMarketing" as I call it and yes some do use bots to do that. I was going through looking at twitters API though and according to their API there is a limit on the connections. I was looking through the API because I am seriously thinking of creating a few new tools for AP (I will not say what).

    We all know that some do abuse bots and do not use them for what they was really meant to be used for but in my opinion it's not the bots ... It's the wannabee marketers that slap the spam everyplace.

    Tools have good use and when used responsibly they can have a great impact on your business.

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  • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
    Originally Posted by Mr.Wright View Post

    Nice job at hawking your services.
    You expected information completely for free? The reason we've got empirical data to share is that we're running a service.

    It's people like you that Twitter is becoming a nightmare--even for marketers.
    Hardly. Use Twitter any way you want. You don't have to follow anyone you don't want to. If people didn't follow people back these services wouldn't work so well. The fact is they work, which is why they're so hot.

    I'm glad they are pruning accounts especially FAKE ones and MULTIPLE accounts used by a single user using your services.
    You have no data to back that up. I presented actual data to show what was happening at Twitter. What's next, name calling?

    Twitter is meant for communication not mass-account generation and spamming. Picture this: All you spamming services are doing is encouraging people to follow OTHER spammers.

    Riddle me this batman... If spammers follow other spammers guess how effective the "marketing" will be. It'll be worse than safelists.
    I've never said people should use their accounts to spam. It doesn't work. This marketing strategy doesn't work if you're not providing value.

    If you're right, then mass following will burn out as a strategy and the problem will correct itself. The fact is it isn't.

    How else do you meet people on Twitter without first following them? Mass following is just increasing your bandwidth.

    Or is there something particularly noble about spending your time clicking a mouse doing something a machine could do?

    Is it wrong to market your products? No! But do it by building relationships not by spamming other users using 10 different accounts and being a spoil sport.
    I suppose you think we should just adopt a door-to-door salesman model? Really get to know your customers before you try to sell them anything?

    Twitter is far too limited as a medium to build a real relationship. The most you can hope for it to entice someone into other contact points so that you can build a relationship. The more people you can put into the top of your funnel, the better off you'll be. If you always pursue a small number of people with which to build relationships, guess how big your customer list is going to be?

    Guess why twitter is banning accounts aggressively? Their service went down for many hours recently and it was because of unnecessary clogging by multiple spammer accounts like your services help create.
    You have absolutely zero proof of that. Twitter probably doesn't even know the answer to that question. And since you may be new to Twitter, I'll point out that the fail whale was sighted a lot more last summer, before these mass following products started to take off.

    Provide valuable content, build relationships and THEN market products. Guess what, that's making me $0.10 per month per every new twitter friend I get. Guess how many your members make on average. Oh wait... $0.
    I don't disagree that you need valuable content and relationships to be able to sell.

    As for your estimate as to how much money our members are making, again you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. They're making enough money to keep investing in the service, so that seems to speak for itself. Some of the people that are widely considered IM gurus are using this strategy.

    $0.10/month per new twitter friend doesn't seem like much money. If you're adding 500 friends/day, that's $1,500/month. You might want to broaden your horizons a bit.
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    • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
      Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post

      You expected information completely for free? The reason we've got empirical data to share is that we're running a service.



      Hardly. Use Twitter any way you want. You don't have to follow anyone you don't want to. If people didn't follow people back these services wouldn't work so well. The fact is they work, which is why they're so hot.



      You have no data to back that up. I presented actual data to show what was happening at Twitter. What's next, name calling?



      I've never said people should use their accounts to spam. It doesn't work. This marketing strategy doesn't work if you're not providing value.

      If you're right, then mass following will burn out as a strategy and the problem will correct itself. The fact is it isn't.

      How else do you meet people on Twitter without first following them? Mass following is just increasing your bandwidth.

      Or is there something particularly noble about spending your time clicking a mouse doing something a machine could do?



      I suppose you think we should just adopt a door-to-door salesman model? Really get to know your customers before you try to sell them anything?

      Twitter is far too limited as a medium to build a real relationship. The most you can hope for it to entice someone into other contact points so that you can build a relationship. The more people you can put into the top of your funnel, the better off you'll be. If you always pursue a small number of people with which to build relationships, guess how big your customer list is going to be?



      You have absolutely zero proof of that. Twitter probably doesn't even know the answer to that question. And since you may be new to Twitter, I'll point out that the fail whale was sighted a lot more last summer, before these mass following products started to take off.



      I don't disagree that you need valuable content and relationships to be able to sell.

      As for your estimate as to how much money our members are making, again you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. They're making enough money to keep investing in the service, so that seems to speak for itself. Some of the people that are widely considered IM gurus are using this strategy.

      $0.10/month per new twitter friend doesn't seem like much money. If you're adding 500 friends/day, that's $1,500/month. You might want to broaden your horizons a bit.
      Like the tactics or not this dude is giving a lot of good answers
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

        Like the tactics or not this dude is giving a lot of good answers
        Point taken Troy .... But let me ask you this...

        Why would I need 10,000 twitter followers (going by the sig from the post your quoted) when I know its impossible to have an actual relationship with that many people ???

        Sure I could spam them, so... who cares - If I need to spam a bunch of people that I do not even know just to make money then I would need to re-think my business.

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        • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          Point taken Troy .... But let me ask you this...

          Why would I need 10,000 twitter followers (going by the sig from the post your quoted) when I know its impossible to have an actual relationship with that many people ???

          Sure I could spam them, so... who cares - If I need to spam a bunch of people that I do not even know just to make money then I would need to re-think my business.

          James
          As a list builder I fully understand the relationship thing . I have never auto followed and very seldom follow anyone that doesn't follow me first . I still gain around 50 new followers a day .

          I do tweet a lot of free stuff that helps marketers and they choose to sign up to get it . Like I said with me it is all about the list . Once on the list them I try to advance the relationship.

          The Rich Jerk . Actually the first one that got me interested in marketing :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          Point taken Troy .... But let me ask you this...

          Why would I need 10,000 twitter followers (going by the sig from the post your quoted) when I know its impossible to have an actual relationship with that many people ???

          Sure I could spam them, so... who cares - If I need to spam a bunch of people that I do not even know just to make money then I would need to re-think my business.

          James
          You don't have to spam them. The key to this strategy is to provide value and attract suspects into your funnel so they can become prospects. They people that are just building up followers and spamming affiliate links probably aren't getting anywhere other than suspended.

          It's all about numbers. With 10,000 followers you can filter your twitter stream and look for opportunities to have a conversation with people that you can move into other contact points such as your blog. Just set up a column on Tweetdeck to roll a real time search for keywords in your niche. You'll have a steady flow of leads. Likewise, you can tweet useful information, which will gather retweets and responses from people that you can move along further.

          It's the difference between going door-to-door and setting up shop on a busy street corner during the Christmas rush. The more people walking by, the more likely you'll run into one that's within your target.

          I see from James' twitter account that he currently has 63 followers. Let's say he gets a 100% response rate from those carefully chosen, handcrafted followers. I could have a 0.2% (2/10ths of a percent) response on my 27K followers and be ahead of him. And the response rate is a heckuva lot higher than that. Throw in several other accounts and you can have very large numbers even with a low response rate.

          But hey, stick with whatever strategy you think is working for you. The beauty of Twitter is that everybody gets to use it however they want. No one is forcing anyone to follow anyone.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post

            You don't have to spam them. The key to this strategy is to provide value and attract suspects into your funnel so they can become prospects. They people that are just building up followers and spamming affiliate links probably aren't getting anywhere other than suspended.

            It's all about numbers. With 10,000 followers you can filter your twitter stream and look for opportunities to have a conversation with people that you can move into other contact points such as your blog. Just set up a column on Tweetdeck to roll a real time search for keywords in your niche. You'll have a steady flow of leads. Likewise, you can tweet useful information, which will gather retweets and responses from people that you can move along further.

            It's the difference between going door-to-door and setting up shop on a busy street corner during the Christmas rush. The more people walking by, the more likely you'll run into one that's within your target.

            I see from James' twitter account that he currently has 63 followers. Let's say he gets a 100% response rate from those carefully chosen, handcrafted followers. I could have a 0.2% (2/10ths of a percent) response on my 27K followers and be ahead of him. And the response rate is a heckuva lot higher than that. Throw in several other accounts and you can have very large numbers even with a low response rate.

            But hey, stick with whatever strategy you think is working for you. The beauty of Twitter is that everybody gets to use it however they want. No one is forcing anyone to follow anyone.
            Well you did not need to point out my low followers ...lol Hey I just signed up dude...

            Seriously though, my point was I see no need in adding 10,000 followers.. Really all I need to do is use the search, find related tweeters and communicate with them.

            Ok you have 27,000 and you get a response rate of X, that is fine but how many are you really taking the time to really communicate with ?? I mean for all you know you may have a follower that could prove to be very beneficial to your business but you will never know it because you can not possible go through 27,000 profiles and really communicate with them.

            I understand what you are saying and I am all for automation, but automation has its place... You also need to understand that there is flaws in your thinking as explained above. This is not a email list.....

            James
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            • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
              Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

              Seriously though, my point was I see no need in adding 10,000 followers.. Really all I need to do is use the search, find related tweeters and communicate with them.
              Since you're new to this you might want to keep an open mind. You don't have a lot of data to work with to formulate your opinions and point out the flaws in people's thinking that have been doing it a long time and have seen what works.

              The problem you'll face in your strategy is that people will be less likely to be willing to communicate with you because you are followed by so few people. It's human nature to want to hang out with popular people. Like it or not, a lot of the social proof on Twitter is how many followers you have. Unless you're already famous, have a huge blog following, etc it's very tough to build up social proof.

              A lot of what people look at when they start a social media relationship is "Ok, what can you do for me?" If you're small fry, the answer is not much.

              I agree that's not how it should be in a perfect world, but we're not in one.

              Ok you have 27,000 and you get a response rate of X, that is fine but how many are you really taking the time to really communicate with ?? I mean for all you know you may have a follower that could prove to be very beneficial to your business but you will never know it because you can not possible go through 27,000 profiles and really communicate with them.
              If they weren't already in my Twitter stream and mutual I wouldn't be able to communicate with them. In your strategy, you find someone without any relationship at all and try to start talking to them about something they tweeted last week. With my strategy, I can respond in real time to people that hit the keyword filters. I can even DM them immediately.

              And they're likely to want to be seen talking to me because they see that my messages are being seen by all my followers. Want to really impress someone? Retweet something they said. It shows up in their @replies, they look at your profile and see a big following, and they're happy you took the time to notice them. They WANT to communicate with you because that conversation gets them in front of more people.

              Why do people assume that having a huge list of following/followers means that they can't also use search and target individuals? Just create a group in Tweetdeck of the people you want to pay special attention to. Or use Yahoo Pipes and build a mashup of the people you want to be right on top of and read the RSS feed.

              If you're using automation you have more time for that type of activity. You're bringing more quality to the Twitter experience for everybody.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post

                Since you're new to this you might want to keep an open mind. You don't have a lot of data to work with to formulate your opinions and point out the flaws in people's thinking that have been doing it a long time and have seen what works.

                The problem you'll face in your strategy is that people will be less likely to be willing to communicate with you because you are followed by so few people. It's human nature to want to hang out with popular people. Like it or not, a lot of the social proof on Twitter is how many followers you have. Unless you're already famous, have a huge blog following, etc it's very tough to build up social proof.

                A lot of what people look at when they start a social media relationship is "Ok, what can you do for me?" If you're small fry, the answer is not much.

                I agree that's not how it should be in a perfect world, but we're not in one.



                If they weren't already in my Twitter stream and mutual I wouldn't be able to communicate with them. In your strategy, you find someone without any relationship at all and try to start talking to them about something they tweeted last week. With my strategy, I can respond in real time to people that hit the keyword filters. I can even DM them immediately.

                And they're likely to want to be seen talking to me because they see that my messages are being seen by all my followers. Want to really impress someone? Retweet something they said. It shows up in their @replies, they look at your profile and see a big following, and they're happy you took the time to notice them. They WANT to communicate with you because that conversation gets them in front of more people.

                Why do people assume that having a huge list of following/followers means that they can't also use search and target individuals? Just create a group in Tweetdeck of the people you want to pay special attention to. Or use Yahoo Pipes and build a mashup of the people you want to be right on top of and read the RSS feed.

                If you're using automation you have more time for that type of activity. You're bringing more quality to the Twitter experience for everybody.
                Your points are well taken, I personally just do not agree with them. Auto creation of these unlimited accounts are part of the problem. Automation is fine but there must be a limit on that automation and what you decide to do as automation vs be a real human and actually communicate with someone...

                That is a great deal of the problem, something new comes along and "SpaMarketing" goes crazy.. Everybody and their brothers wants to figure out how to game the system and do everything on automation and spam the heck out of the system...

                By the way - I have had an account on Twitter since May 3rd 2007, that account is not released in the public.

                James
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    • Profile picture of the author Alice Seba
      Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post

      If you're right, then mass following will burn out as a strategy and the problem will correct itself. The fact is it isn't.
      I don't think bad marketing/practices always burn themselves out...at least not very quickly (think web rings, top site lists, safe lists, etc...they took a long time to die out). Could be a few reasons:

      1. People think it's a popularity contest and/or want to become overnight "social media experts."
      2. People just do what is promoted in the latest and greatest ebook.
      3. People will make the mistakes that results correlate with the size of the Twitter following.
      4. People will always invest more time into generating traffic, etc. for their website than they really need to.

      Could be a lot of things outside of "it works".

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      • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
        Originally Posted by Alice Seba View Post

        I don't think bad marketing/practices always burn themselves out...at least not very quickly (think web rings, top site lists, safe lists, etc...they took a long time to die out). Could be a few reasons:
        For a long time those tactics worked. Back in the day, getting a bunch of reciprocal links was the way to go. I remember being in a niche in 2001 where the top result on Google had 3,500 reciprocal links and almost nothing else. I kicked him out by getting 5,000 reciprocals. And those strategies did die pretty quickly after Google got vocal about them not working.

        Another example is automated Digging. For about a six month run you could buy the front page at Digg. Then they cracked down and within a month no one was doing it.

        But the reasons you're giving actually show why it works:

        1. People think it's a popularity contest and/or want to become overnight "social media experts."
        A lot of Twitter actually *is* a popularity contest. Once you've amassed a certain number of followers you start to appear on lists of top people on Twitter. When people start following people, guess where they start? Even twellow ranks by number of followers. So if you want people in a niche to follow you, get a bunch of followers and then register for that niche.

        2. People just do what is promoted in the latest and greatest ebook.
        Those ebooks become the latest and greatest because somewhere in them is something that actually works. It'd be mighty tough to sell an ebook with a failing strategy.

        3. People will make the mistakes that results correlate with the size of the Twitter following.
        Would you rather have 100 followers that click on 100% of your links, or 20,000 followers that click on 1%? There's not much in marketing that isn't about the numbers.

        4. People will always invest more time into generating traffic, etc. for their website than they really need to.
        Unless you don't need more business, you always need more traffic.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alice Seba
          Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post

          For a long time those tactics worked. Back in the day, getting a bunch of reciprocal links was the way to go. I remember being in a niche in 2001 where the top result on Google had 3,500 reciprocal links and almost nothing else. I kicked him out by getting 5,000 reciprocals. And those strategies did die pretty quickly after Google got vocal about them not working.
          Only thing is, I never mentioned reciprocal links. :-) Of course web rings, top site lists once gave link juice, but I never said reciprocal linking as I know it worked. Regardless, the items I mentioned quickly lost their lustre, but people kept doing them long after. That was my only point - people do things even if they aren't entirely beneficial.

          Another example is automated Digging. For about a six month run you could buy the front page at Digg. Then they cracked down and within a month no one was doing it.
          Good example of Internet marketers gaming a system for short-term results. Why not focus on long-term business growth (if people are in it for the long-haul) instead of trying the quick bursts of big traffic? And again, traffic from Digg may be huge, but traffic for traffic's sake isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Again, it's a popularity contest for some...and popularity doesn't always pay the bills.

          A lot of Twitter actually *is* a popularity contest. Once you've amassed a certain number of followers you start to appear on lists of top people on Twitter. When people start following people, guess where they start? Even twellow ranks by number of followers. So if you want people in a niche to follow you, get a bunch of followers and then register for that niche.
          Yes, for some it is. I think I said that...but I guess I used the word they "think" it is. But I guess I should say, "Some people approach it as a popularity contest." And dude, don't sell me on the fact that people will mine my follower list just because I have lots of followers. That is of no interest to me. It's the same old game...over and over again. People mindlessly following other people to boost their perceived popularity.

          Those ebooks become the latest and greatest because somewhere in them is something that actually works. It'd be mighty tough to sell an ebook with a failing strategy.
          Sure, there are lots of people who get thousands of followers - that works. Nobody disputed that. You also used to be able to buy a million hits to your website (or maybe you still can) and we all know what happens with those.

          Would you rather have 100 followers that click on 100% of your links, or 20,000 followers that click on 1%? There's not much in marketing that isn't about the numbers.
          Sure, it'd be great to have 20,000 followers who clicked 1%. Thing is, no automated software building a list of garbage followers (the people aren't garbage, but the value of the list - generally speaking is) is going to achieve that on any type of consistent basis.

          But here's where you might miss the point from those of us talking about QUALITY over QUANTITY. It's not about clicking links, finding customers, etc. For me, it's about making CONNECTIONS. Finding people who you can create products with, co-promote, create connections with other key people, finding talented contractors, etc. Click my link or don't click my link...I'm here to build business ASSETS...not simply a random click.


          Unless you don't need more business, you always need more traffic.
          Thanks for answering all my points, but this one doesn't address the fact that I said many people put more effort into getting that traffic than they need to. Of course, people (including myself) can always use more traffic. I prefer to put effort into more targeted methods. That doesn't mean Twitter doesn't come into play...I just do it targeted. In other words, I don't fish (manually or in an automated way) for people I hope/pray might be interested in what I have to say.

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          • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
            Originally Posted by Alice Seba View Post

            Only thing is, I never mentioned reciprocal links. :-) Of course web rings, top site lists once gave link juice, but I never said reciprocal linking as I know it worked. Regardless, the items I mentioned quickly lost their lustre, but people kept doing them long after. That was my only point - people do things even if they aren't entirely beneficial.
            Excuse my shorthand. The reason web rings, lists, etc stopped working is that reciprocal link schemes fell apart when the search engines figured them out. And yes, web rings had their time in the sun long ago too.

            Good example of Internet marketers gaming a system for short-term results. Why not focus on long-term business growth (if people are in it for the long-haul) instead of trying the quick bursts of big traffic? And again, traffic from Digg may be huge, but traffic for traffic's sake isn't always what it's cracked up to be. Again, it's a popularity contest for some...and popularity doesn't always pay the bills.
            As long as you realize it's a short term play there's no reason not to take advantage of the hot waves if you can get on them in time. I know a lot of people that made serious money during the automated Digg phase. In the end they were ahead. The going rate on a front page was $5K -- a lot of people were doing that every day. After a few months of that there weren't that many people that were overly upset that the ride had stopped.

            Sure, it'd be great to have 20,000 followers who clicked 1%. Thing is, no automated software building a list of garbage followers (the people aren't garbage, but the value of the list - generally speaking is) is going to achieve that on any type of consistent basis.
            Do you have any data to base that statement on? I can look at my web analytics and tell that we picked up subscribers yesterday based upon traffic from automated Twitter accounts. The click through rate on a blog post I tweeted this morning is running at 1.43% so far today (it's only a few hours old). That's not a huge response, but compared to the amount of work it took to get that traffic it was well worth it.

            But here's where you might miss the point from those of us talking about QUALITY over QUANTITY. It's not about clicking links, finding customers, etc. For me, it's about making CONNECTIONS. Finding people who you can create products with, co-promote, create connections with other key people, finding talented contractors, etc. Click my link or don't click my link...I'm here to build business ASSETS...not simply a random click.
            This is the point everyone seems to miss: You can do both. You can run automated accounts that have huge followings and do well with them at the same time you hand craft accounts with personal relationships. I'm not saying ignore quality -- of course everyone wants high quality leads. I'm just saying that it's useful to have a huge mouth at the top of your funnel when you're looking for customers.

            Why would anyone turn away a potential customer because they don't fit the perfect profile of what they think a customer looks like?
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            • Profile picture of the author Alice Seba
              Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post

              This is the point everyone seems to miss: You can do both. You can run automated accounts that have huge followings and do well with them at the same time you hand craft accounts with personal relationships.
              Unfortunately, the point that many people miss is that Twitter about PEOPLE. In fact, I'd venture to say MOST Twitter users see Twitter about people - but some Internet Marketers see dollar signs. But all this automated stuff has created a climate where it becomes about numbers and popularity and really stinks things up.

              I never post links to my site here, but here's something that I think explains the stink:
              Internet Marketers Stinking up Twitter? | Internet Marketing Sweetie

              You will obviously disagree and that's fine, but it might give people something to think about.

              BTW - I just blocked you on Twitter because I'm not letting bots mine my followers (as much as I can control it). Nothing personal, but when people let me know they use this...I block them. Not that you were clamoring to follow me or anything. ;-) Just thought I'd mention it.

              Soooo...if anyone else wants to let me know they use bots to mine followers, let me know. I'd like to do the same for you. :-)

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  • Profile picture of the author WareTime
    I don't auto follow either and have about 800. 90% of which are other IM'ers that haven't caught onto the fact that I'm not following them back. If this keeps up long enough I'll sell the account. Maybe to one of my followers. Irony.

    I would bet (hunch warning) that twitter is useless and wasted time to 90% of the warriors here because either they don't understand how to leverage it, sell too hard or are not in a niche where twitter works well. Own a real brick and morter in a city with a 20-something target market. You can do amazing things with twitter. Affiliate marketing 'roid cream? Not so much.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      I was just Tweeting with Ken Nadreau yesterday. He and I have been following each other for close to two years. We've both only built our Twitter followings naturally (mine is through my sig here, on my blog, and from recommendations via other Twitter users). No bots, no crap!

      For all of you bot users who are pumping up your lists into the ten thousands, and then wondering why it isn't making you rich, because I only have followers who really wanted to follow me, my conversions on my occasional (note: Occasional, not hourly Spam) promotions are phenomenal.

      Quality beats quantity every time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
    Twitter has new detection system that is banning people if it crosses their radar.
    Just had: "6667VQ8QTWFHSAB is now following you on Twitter!"

    Probably the kind of bots we can do without...
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr.Wright
    Hmm... Why was my previous post deleted?

    Weird. Just stating your distaste for spammers is now a deleted post too?

    just curious.

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  • Profile picture of the author Norma Holt
    Wow, interesting thread. I only follow people who follow me and I notice I get quite a lot of requests lately but when I click the links find that the person has been ousted. This is happening to some 25% of notifications and I think it is because people are trying to build lists in devious ways, whether its bots or by siphoning other peoples followers I don't know.

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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      Wow, interesting thread. I only follow people who follow me and I notice I get quite a lot of requests lately but when I click the links find that the person has been ousted. This is happening to some 25% of notifications and I think it is because people are trying to build lists in devious ways, whether its bots or by siphoning other peoples followers I don't know.

      Norma
      I am following you now norma...lol

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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by Norma Holt View Post

      Wow, interesting thread. I only follow people who follow me and I notice I get quite a lot of requests lately but when I click the links find that the person has been ousted. This is happening to some 25% of notifications and I think it is because people are trying to build lists in devious ways, whether its bots or by siphoning other peoples followers I don't know.

      Norma
      I now only follow those who send me an @kevinriley message, because they are folks who actually want to communicate. If there's no two-way comm, I'm not interested.
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      • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        I now only follow those who send me an @kevinriley message, because they are folks who actually want to communicate. If there's no two-way comm, I'm not interested.
        I'll respectfully point out that there is no functional difference between following 260 people and 27,000 people. Both are way above the threshold of how many conversations you can have at a time. If you really want to digest everything the people you're following are saying, you'd have to limit yourself to about 10 active tweeps.

        Otherwise, you're going to be filtering a lot of stuff so that you can pop into the right contexts. Kevin has shown what his filter is -- he responds to people that @reply him. I respond to @replies, plus I filter on keywords and randomly skim the twitter stream for something interesting.

        I'm merely pointing out that you can have big following/follower numbers and not be a spammer. Yes, you can have about the same level of communication as people that are more selective. It's just that your net for who you could possibly talk to is a lot bigger.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post

          I'll respectfully point out that there is no functional difference between following 260 people and 27,000 people. Both are way above the threshold of how many conversations you can have at a time. If you really want to digest everything the people you're following are saying, you'd have to limit yourself to about 10 active tweeps.
          Actually, many of those have long since disappeared, I just can't be bothered un-following. I only un-follow those who start multi-Tweeting their latest blog post or other promotional crap, without any true interaction.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rob Anderson
    yeah, all said.
    while i myself am getting followers fairly fast, i do agree that the twitter big shots should try to keep the multiple spammers out. it is stupid to follow someone like sexy665334, as you know they are no good.
    but i must say, i like the marketing tweets.
    it is like a sort of quick way to see what is current, what is hot.
    hopefully i do not get banned.
    see you all on twitter.
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  • Profile picture of the author ademartin
    For sure people must do their own thing but I can't help looking at all these "Dominate Twitter" products, bots and services that are selling like hot cakes and thinking how really bad certain areas of Internet marketing are.

    To sell Twitter software that auto builds hundreds upon hundreds of bogus accounts, (using proxies of course!), and fool people into thinking they are going to have an ongoing Internet business is pretty sick. The same goes for most of the Twitter products promising huge lists and unlimited wealth.

    I maintain that you cannot build a lasting business solely from Twitter even if you have tens of thousands of followers. At best it's a hobby and a bit of fun whilst it lasts but let's not delude ourselves that Twitter is going to allow this nonsense to continue.

    Remember how everybody screamed at eBay when they changed the rules - I was one! The thing is that it's their business and they can do what they like and we shouldn't have all our eggs in one basket anyway.

    I would agree, strongly, that Twitter can be used to enhance an existing business but Twitter is not a business pillar, it's a possible business enhancer if used as stated on the tin. So if you DON'T have a business that's working right now then having 300 auto built Twitter accounts with 5,000 auto followers in each account is unlikely to buy a new home next week, or next year even!

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    I have been doing some research with Twitter products and software and am writing a report, (20 finished pages so far!), which is basically a straight forward, in depth investigation into whether Twitter can realistically be used to build a business from "scratch". If anybody has any experiences of Twitter products and auto building software, good or bad, I would be interested to hear them and if used will give a link back to your website.

    You can tell from this post that I am presently coming down on the side that Twitter products are crap but then I haven't tested them all so any input from users is greatly appreciated. wwretail AT gmail DOT com or PM me.

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    • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
      Originally Posted by ademartin

      To sell Twitter software that auto builds hundreds upon hundreds of bogus accounts, (using proxies of course!), and fool people into thinking they are going to have an ongoing Internet business is pretty sick. The same goes for most of the Twitter products promising huge lists and unlimited wealth.
      I agree with you 100%. It's just a strategy. The point of automation is that you can say "Ok, I've got that covered. Now I'll spend my time on something more important." This is merely tires on the car -- you still haven't won the race until you've done all the other things you have to do. But if you can hire someone to put the tires on you're way ahead of the guy that is mixing up the rubber himself.

      I maintain that you cannot build a lasting business solely from Twitter even if you have tens of thousands of followers. At best it's a hobby and a bit of fun whilst it lasts but let's not delude ourselves that Twitter is going to allow this nonsense to continue.
      That's a tough call. Twitter has a big motivation to allow the "nonsense" to continue. They just went through the "Oprah Effect." Oprah did a show on them and they had a huge surge in signups. A month later people had lost interest. Marketing people following other marketing people and creating new accounts at least cuts into that number. Remember, they don't make any money, they're a venture funded company. They need to show results to keep the next traunch of money coming. Just because the VCs invested $40M doesn't mean they have all that money in the bank -- it gets trickled out over time.

      But if we really do think that Twitter is going to crack down on marketers, then it makes even more sense to automate. Why waste hours and hours of manual effort on something that could get banned for no reason?

      At the very least this is a hot strategy to hop onto while it remains effective. If it stops working in six months and you were cash flow positive in a big way while it worked aren't you still ahead?

      I would agree, strongly, that Twitter can be used to enhance an existing business but Twitter is not a business pillar, it's a possible business enhancer if used as stated on the tin. So if you DON'T have a business that's working right now then having 300 auto built Twitter accounts with 5,000 auto followers in each account is unlikely to buy a new home next week, or next year even!
      It depends upon what your business needs. If the one thing you're lacking is the ability to put suspects into the prospect portion of your funnel, it's a very good strategy. But if you don't have anything of value to offer, then offering that to a lot more people isn't going to do you any good.

      I'll also point out that we're the only vendor I know that doesn't make promises of unlimited wealth through Twitter. Perhaps we'd convert more with pictures of hot babes, hot cars, and huge mansions, but we're pretty clear this is just a strategy and the making money part is up to you. This is just a mechanism for getting your message in front of a lot more people.

      The one market that Twitter is absolutely perfect for is if you're selling to other internet marketers. And the automation strategy works very well indeed for that segment. It's quite rare that IM people mind getting an offer of something that can help them make more money.

      I've also seen ecommerce stores double their traffic within a week of starting a Twitter campaign. The sales lagged the increase in traffic, but first you have to get in front of people before you can start to sell to them.
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  • Profile picture of the author SullyUI
    Never used any bots, but thanks for reminding me why I didn't
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  • Profile picture of the author RGallowitz
    By first Twitter account was suspended last friday. The last time I checked I had about 3000 followers.

    I realised what the culprit was when the ban happened!

    If you follow more than 200 people within a very short amount of time, you WILL get banned. I tested 4 other accounts. One account, I even followed LESS then a thousand people and STILL got suspended.

    STAY AWAY FROM TWITTER *HUMMINGBIRD*. No matter WHAT the creator of this product says, I'm telling you now...you will get suspended. Unless they come up with a method of cutting down on their throttle, Twitter is going to see that you are following people too fast. The software just goes so fast, I swear the Twitter team knows EXACTLY when you are running a bot.

    Another thing you should stay away from is mass unfollow. If you unfollow more than 50-100 people at any one time, you risk suspension.

    Also, DO NOT and I repeat DO NOT follow a bunch of people and then unfollow them within a 24 hour period! That will get you suspended pretty fast at the moment. Be safe and only unfollow after 72 hours.

    Twitter support however told me that I can ask for an account reinstatement after one week of suspension. In the mean time I have opened a new account and followed slowly. I don't have nearly the same amount of loyal followers that I did, but at least I have a backup now instead they decide not to reinstate my old one.

    The other great thing these tests allowed me to do is figure out exactly how the Twitter team wants us to run our accounts. I have spoken to their admin probably close to 100 times back and forth about these issues. Trial and error AND testing have left me now with a clear understanding of how to easily grow my T account without risking any crap like that.

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    • Profile picture of the author ltdraper
      Originally Posted by RGallowitz View Post

      Another thing you should stay away from is mass unfollow. If you unfollow more than 50-100 people at any one time, you risk suspension.
      Actually, it seems to have a lot to do with your following/follower ratios and your total numbers. From what we've seen, you can unfollow 5% without hitting their radar. So a person following 10,000 people can unfollow 500 without getting hit, but blasting 100 out of a 500 following account will bring their ire.

      Accounts at the lower levels seem to get more scrutiny. Most of the banned accounts we've seen had small numbers. They're looking for people starting new accounts and churning. That's why you need to build slowly at first and then pick up speed.

      Take a look at the Twitterholic Top 1000 List: Top Twitter User Rankings & Stats | Twitterholic.com . There are a lot of people on that list with big numbers, so adding lots of friends doesn't always hurt.

      Also, DO NOT and I repeat DO NOT follow a bunch of people and then unfollow them within a 24 hour period! That will get you suspended pretty fast at the moment. Be safe and only unfollow after 72 hours.
      Excellent advice. A lot of the software out there doesn't keep track of that.
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      • Profile picture of the author RGallowitz
        Originally Posted by ltdraper View Post


        Accounts at the lower levels seem to get more scrutiny. Most of the banned accounts we've seen had small numbers. They're looking for people starting new accounts and churning. That's why you need to build slowly at first and then pick up speed.
        You are right. Smaller accounts do get the whip much easier. Also I think accounts who start off as authority accounts (like celeb accounts etc...) don't really get this issue at all because they have waayyy more followers than they are following. Accounts that get good followers (I'll call this a positive ratio climb) right from the start are usually the ones that the Twitter admin leave alone.
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
          ltdraper,

          I don't have much use for the kind of product you offer, but I have to say that I really like the way you're handling your replies here.

          It's unusual enough that I thought it deserved mention. Thank you.


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  • Profile picture of the author JVManna
    Twitter is merely trying to defend their network from abuse. While it may seem precarious in how Twitter suspends accounts, they seem to be willing to hear legitimate pleas from users and re-enable them.

    Twitter is a common target for phishing scams and as such, people mistakenly (or maliciously) RT spammy/phishy links for others. I suppose instead of censoring messages, it's easier to suspend first and ask questions later.

    Personally, I've never been a huge fan of affiliate marketing on Twitter. Relationship building is more of my kind of marketing; but I don't judge if someone has a unique approach to reaching prospects and customers.

    Just like email, Twitter's definition of "spam" is up to the users to determine and not themselves. Mass follow/unfollow services are subjective to their interpreted uses, too.

    I think we agree that there is no ONE way or a BEST way to market ourselves. Besides, marketing a just a big MVT test anyhow.
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  • Profile picture of the author koolmeg
    I've been using FriendOrFollow.com - Who's not following you back? Who aren't you following? and had no problems.... should I avoid this site?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    Why would you be using bots anyway, just keep it ethical and grew your following organically and you can sleep easily at night. It's always when people cheat the system thinking that they are smarter that it goes wrong.
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    • Profile picture of the author bfairo
      I am fairly new to Twitter and only started because of the free information i got from one marketer. I've done nothing but promote free material on traffic building, except for my Craigslist Marketer Pro site, and I was just banned. I do not use any auto software and have the same amount of followers as following. It seems like everyone has their own opinion on why but I believe it only takes one person to accuse you of spamming. Answer me this warriors, no matter what your twit is, how do you spam someone who is willingly following you? When you opt-in to an advertising newsletter you expect to get ads, when you follow someone who's name is usaadvertising you should expect, um let's see, advertising perhaps!? Pretty self explanatory and anyone who doesn't want to follow me doesn't have to. You can unfollow anyone at anytime for any reason. Spam is unsolicited advertising. Spam does not exist when you Choose to follow someone. If I'm wrong let me know but it seems obvious.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
        Originally Posted by bfairo View Post

        When you opt-in to an advertising newsletter you expect to get ads, when you follow someone who's name is usaadvertising you should expect, um let's see, advertising perhaps!?
        At least in IM, there is no disclosure in the opt-in process that people are going to get advertising delivered to them. Sure, it is opt-in. But its not an "advertising newsletter" opt-in.

        I'm not saying that it's wrong. Just that people's expectations and what actually ends up happening are two different things.

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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    It's only a matter of time Twitter is going to have even harsher rules against automatic behavior. I say, be careful with what you do on Twitter and stay under their radar...

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  • Profile picture of the author goalpower
    Originally Posted by Mr.Wright View Post

    Hi guys are you noticing this new trend?

    Many twitter accounts are being suspended/banned over the past few days. My good friend's account which had a following of 12,000 followers was also banned.

    I think it is due to mass unfollowing using software bots, so if you are using any bots, STOP NOW! at least for the time being.

    Twitter has new detection system that is banning people if it crosses their radar.

    Watch out warriors.

    -James

    Thanks for the tip. I use twitter for marketing a lot and this will save me some major headaches.

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeGriffith
    I don't sweat Twitter. I just follow those who follow me. I have no desire to follow people who (apparently) are not interested enough to follow me. Of course, I only get about 5 new followers per day. Works for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by MikeGriffith View Post

      I don't sweat Twitter. I just follow those who follow me. I have no desire to follow people who (apparently) are not interested enough to follow me. Of course, I only get about 5 new followers per day. Works for me.
      Hi Mike,
      Great for you dude... I set the one up on my profile 3 days ago. I have nothing auto added to this account, everything is done manual. All replies, all post, all blocks, all follows, everything!

      I do not have this account on no tweet site at all, I am avg so far about 30 a day. About 25 I have blocked as they was just junk "bot" created accounts anyways.

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