We are an Elite Group... and this is how you can make $150,000+ this year.

by LMC
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Do you realize that you are special?

Your part of an elite group that understands technology, understands the Internet, and how it works.

Do you realize that a business will pay the following (from my experience):

- $1,500 for a simple 6 page website, home, about us, services, pricing, testimonials, and contact us... one contact form, one header.

- $30 per month for hosting, when we know you can get it for as low as $5/M... how can you profit off that?

- $100 per hour for Online Business Development

- $100 for an ad

- $120 per year to be advertised on a niche website

- $5,000 to setup a full website, with wordpress blog, helpdesk, etc... we know that there are free scripts for helpdesks, forums, and wordpress

- $10,000 for application development, meanwhile we know that we can outsource this for half the cost

Bottom line is, I have been able to produce over $150,000+ strictly from offline clients alone, at least half of the items that offline clients purchase from me, I outsource 50% of the revenue to online developers, and make 50% doing absolutely nothing.

Realize that, even if you know how to create a domain and set hosting to it, you can charge business's $50 to do this... they will pay it, and it takes less then 10 minutes.

Realize that you are an Elite group... put your knowledge, skills, and creativity all together...

Business Promotion Tips

- Place a mailing out to 100 business's who don't have websites in your area, find their address using google maps, offer design services, direct mailing setup, etc... you will get a 8-12% conversion, I guarantee it.

- Mail 100 business's who have websites, offer them SEO services and SEM services, you will get a 12-15% conversion, I guarantee it.

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Just do it...send out 20 mailings if you are afraid of success, you'll get one client and make $1,500+ this week.

We are an elite group... be scared of us.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey BJ,

    Client #1

    A Marketing Consultant company who didn't have a website, the owner came from a CPA and Direct Marketing background, and understood the power of a website, etc

    Paid: $900
    Website <-- Sample

    Client #2

    The above client opened opportunities for more work. In some consulting work he needed a landing page and an upsell page.

    Paid $350 for each page.
    Landing Page | Upsell page


    * Keep in mind, all content has been given to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
      Wow those are simple sites, nice price you've got for them...

      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Hey BJ,

      Client #1

      A Marketing Consultant company who didn't have a website, the owner came from a CPA and Direct Marketing background, and understood the power of a website, etc

      Paid: $900
      Website <-- Sample

      Client #2

      The above client opened opportunities for more work. In some consulting work he needed a landing page and an upsell page.

      Paid $350 for each page.
      Landing Page | Upsell page


      * Keep in mind, all content has been given to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author garyk1968
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Hey BJ,

      Client #1

      A Marketing Consultant company who didn't have a website, the owner came from a CPA and Direct Marketing background, and understood the power of a website, etc

      Paid: $900
      Nice, I think you have demonstrated superbly how a simple basic site can still look fantastic!

      Thanks for sharing.
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      • Great post LMC. You've really offered a lot of good information there. Very interesting post to be sure.

        Using a CMS and premium templates is certainly the way to go. Do you charge more for custom html than you do a CMS with a premium template? I figure you must considering it is more work.

        Thanks for the info. Again, great post!

        Great site by the way. I'm glad I found it. It's going to take me forever to absorb all the information you guys/girls have provided.
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        • Profile picture of the author NetMan
          Originally Posted by Published Articles View Post

          Great post LMC. You've really offered a lot of good information there. Very interesting post to be sure.

          Using a CMS and premium templates is certainly the way to go. Do you charge more for custom html than you do a CMS with a premium template? I figure you must considering it is more work.

          Thanks for the info. Again, great post!

          Great site by the way. I'm glad I found it. It's going to take me forever to absorb all the information you guys/girls have provided.
          Building around a CMS and a premium template could be as much work, and even more sometimes, as building from scratch with HTML.

          When you want to respond to all the customers' will, with this avenue, you must then play much with integration and code tweaking, so it's quickly enough becoming at least as much work. However, you can still charge much more because you become more specialized than just coding HTML, and if you're also good with graphics it's even better

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  • Profile picture of the author chrisaplin
    I love direct mail as a compliment to online marketing.

    Direct mail to the right group can garner those 10& conversion rates.

    Although, I still haven't on most mailings around 1000 above 5%.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    With the above information...

    I do want to note that the great thing about offline clients is the friendly "handshake". I don't need five pages of copy to explain how great a website is going to be for a prospective customer... I just need to give a firm hand shake and state my case.

    The fact that you build face to face trust will grow a great marketing arsenal, and that is "word of mouth"...

    In the above case, I mentioned the first client open doors to new opportunities, HIS client loved the landing pages so much, he is in discussion for a set of 10 redesigns to his websites for a total of a $10,000 job.

    Heck... beats a tell-a-friend script.
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    • Profile picture of the author seriousmny
      Let's say someone like me wants to pursue this. I have no experience in this but definitely would like to try this. What happens when I send out a letter in the community and actually get the 8-12% response. What do I do next? I am assuming I need to have my outsource crew already in place and not actually looking for someone after I receive business. How does one find a reliable outsource crew that will do a good job each and every time. What about site maintenance and upgrades? Will the client be responsible for that or will I be charging extra for that? I also want to know will there be a face to face component to this or should we strictly be an online service. I don't have the gift of gab but I certainly would not be opposed to learning how for the sake of increasing my income. I don't want to sound like I am a complete novice but truth be told... I am. How do you present a professional demeanor so folks will solicit your services? What if they have questions I cannot answer or I come across a client that's up on the game of internet business that knows more than I do?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Serious,

    You ask a lot of questions here, and they are good questions that should be answered, however, it would do no good in me telling you exactly how to run YOUR business.

    All the above information that you asked, I have learned through trial and error, running my own campaigns, testing, marketing, surveys, etc...

    For Outsourcing: Look right here in the WF, I do have a team, but the team has grown since the day I decided to outsource a project. I no longer need to look for people, but I put an ad out for some workers about a month ago and received 75 applications... shows the talent that you can find here.

    Site Maintenance and Upgrades:

    Again, things I have learned from action, for upgrades and maintenance I run these as completely separate invoices, and upsell them as options... Maintenance I charge $75-$150 per month, it only takes about ten minutes a day, but it is something I don't really want to do, so I over price, and DO receive people paying this fee.

    Interaction:

    Mailing >> Follow Up Call >> Pop in Store and Hand Business Cards >> Last Letter

    If I don't receive any follow through, from the above, I give up on the prospect.

    Professional Demeanor

    Most of my clients come from my everyday interactions...

    I walk into a Florist to buy a gift for Valentines Day 2009, saw they had no website on their business cards, and they had coupons... On the Fly, i took my business card out, stuck it on the table with her coupon and said,

    " Would you be interested in a website where you can no longer have to print all these coupons, you can accept online payments for "party" reservations, and grab more business"

    She said, she's been looking to get online but new nothing about it.

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    That day I was wearing jeans and a t-shirt
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    You don't need a suit and tie, hit the mom and pop shops up...

    If you don't know the answer to a question:

    You tell the prospective client,

    " I'm going to write that question down, for I understand what your asking but want to be 100% sure with my answer, I will call or email you that information"


    The above does two things... one it gets another contact opportunity, similar to an OPT-IN into a list. Two, it builds respect.

    Then come to the Warrior Forum, and ask us.
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    • Profile picture of the author Razorblade
      LMC,

      These are great information and ideas you are sharing here - really priceless!

      I've been thinking of pursuing this type of business.

      What applications/programs do you use to manage contracts, billings, and other staff management activities in connection with running your business? This relates to maintaining an effective relationship with your online outsourcers.

      Any suggestions?

      Also, do you require upfront payment, or upon project completion? What do you usually do in order to create an atmosphere of security between you and your client regarding payment and project accomplishment?
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      • Profile picture of the author LMC
        Hey,

        After interest, I send a quote to the business owner, with a website contract...

        For Web design:
        Quote W-###-Business
        For Graphic Work: Quote G-###-Business

        These quotes are done in Word, converted to PDF and emailed/faxed.

        Work begins after payment is received, payment is 50% deposit, 50% delivery, with net 15 days, meaning, they have 15 days to pay the outstanding 50%, or, we charge 2% interest on the outstanding balance, every month they are late.

        We operate internal project management software which tracks our time on our project, tasks, etc... it is not necessary, but we do a lot of business now.

        When I first started:

        - Strict deadlines with outsource provider
        - Ask for Weekly Updates
        - Let them know that you are outsourcing work and they must be On Time!

        Regarding Security

        Again... trust is huge... a firm handshake... confidence...and

        Don't make it seem like they are doing you a favor giving you business, don't seem desperate for it either. Put a little confidence in yourself and speak to them... rebuttal there every question/comment to bring it back to services you offer...


        When they ask about payment... come strong at them... say...

        50% down, 50% on delivery. I begin work upon clearing of deposit.
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      • Profile picture of the author Spark
        Originally Posted by Razorblade View Post

        LMC,

        These are great information and ideas you are sharing here - really priceless!

        I've been thinking of pursuing this type of business.

        What applications/programs do you use to manage contracts, billings, and other staff management activities in connection with running your business? This relates to maintaining an effective relationship with your online outsourcers.

        Any suggestions?

        Also, do you require upfront payment, or upon project completion? What do you usually do in order to create an atmosphere of security between you and your client regarding payment and project accomplishment?
        This how i feel regarding payment. you should always ask for 30%-50% of upfront payment so that you will start to 'work' for cash while client will be waiting for their website. imagine yourself working on a project that doesn't guarantee payment till you meet your client. will you put your heart in to do the website for your client? i doubt so...

        Because if you do not have any upfront fees, if you build a website then want to meet your client, your client suddenly say not interested [this s**t do happen and trust me. i myself and my gf have done freelances on other stuffs before] and all your hardwork will be gone.

        Hope this help.
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    • Profile picture of the author seriousmny
      Originally Posted by Budda68 View Post

      seriousmny,
      In looking at your signature, if you have created those sites, than you should be well on your way to being able to something like this. I don't know about you, but I have put forth enough time and energy studying how to do this stuff to have received my degree by now. John Q public, in general, has no idea what the costs are and for the most part don't know where to look to get help. Just as an example, I searched SEO for my local area. The top 2, and their were only two, LOCAL positions have ZERO back links to their sites. One of them is charging 2500 to 5000 dollars!

      You can do it.
      I am pretty much a person that shys away from personal face-to face scenarios but like I said things are ripe as far as offline business goes out there right now with folks looking for ways to improve their business. I am willing to get over feeling uncomfortable. What's really uncomfortable is not having the money you need or having to compromise your lifestyle due to being short on cash. I think I'm ready to take on the challenge. I'm going to get myself a business license with my UBI number, some business cards, a business mailbox and work on a sales letter. I figure it's just a math game after that. The more people I send off to, the better the ratio of response. I just have to close the sale...that's what scares me but I'm willing to do it afraid than sit on my ### talking about how I wish I could make some cash. Thanks to whoever started this thread. I'm feeling really hopeful about this.
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      • Profile picture of the author kf
        Face-to-face sales pitch and closing the sale is an art form. Sounds like you are serious - no pun intended - about not letting your comfort zone hold you back, so the following things can help you increase your skill and confidence in those scenarios.

        Join Toastmasters. Join your local Chamber of Commerce and any small business networking groups/opportunities you can find. Get some Zig Zigler (classic sales info) and Brian Tracy audios. Role-play and practice with a friend. Write out your script, anticipating the objections and don't be afraid to say 'I'll get back to you on that'.


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        I am pretty much a person that shys away from personal face-to face scenarios
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        • Profile picture of the author seriousmny
          Originally Posted by kf View Post

          Face-to-face sales pitch and closing the sale is an art form. Sounds like you are serious - no pun intended - about not letting your comfort zone hold you back, so the following things can help you increase your skill and confidence in those scenarios.

          Join Toastmasters. Join your local Chamber of Commerce and any small business networking groups/opportunities you can find. Get some Zig Zigler (classic sales info) and Brian Tracy audios. Role-play and practice with a friend. Write out your script, anticipating the objections and don't be afraid to say 'I'll get back to you on that'.
          Hi KF,

          I could have fallen out of my seat when I punched in Toastmasters to find there is a branch not 5 minutes from my house meeting on 1st and 3rd thursdays of every month. I can catch one this week. Ever had that feeling when things fall into place and something good is about to happen? I'm getting that feeling about right now. I don't believe in coincidences. I'm getting myself over there and participating so I can prepare for success.

          Thank you for that gold nugget of information.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spark
    Hey LMC,

    thanks for your topic on this! Was wondering whether do we need to create a website for ourself first or just hand them our business card will do?

    I do have some knowledge of IM and have manage to rank some of the keywords with the strategy that i am using. My main issue is whether do they believe us if we don't own a website? As i am not that good in designing website. however i do have plenty of WP website to recommend to them.
    How do you really talk to them on this? setup a personal blog that include your service? or a pure landing page that capture their leads?

    Hey...i think i got some ideas once you mention getting business card and write a note on it. Interesting idea to look into.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey Spark,

    To solve the issue of a business website, I have ten sample websites on the back of my business cards....
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    • Profile picture of the author Spark
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Hey Spark,

      To solve the issue of a business website, I have ten sample websites on the back of my business cards....
      Wow! why didn't i think of this?! instead of creating personal website. i can show some 'samples' of the sites that i create? nice idea..really nice..a direct marketing. Thanks!

      But your 10 samples of websites are your original create webby or some of the free template that we can found in WP and use it?

      LMC,

      you really does give me a tons of ideas. first is the dropping a note, now instead of creating a own personal website. i can just show them my samples using my namecard. nice idea you have. any more tips for us?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Spark,

    Generally, the websites are both templates and custom designs...

    I use multiple CMS systems for different client objectives...

    A client who needs Dynamic Content will be setup on Wordpress or Joomla with a premium theme and custom graphics ( example , paid $2,500 )

    Then i have clients who use strict HTML custom coded websites...

    Generally my themes are all premium themes... they offer more options for the new owner, as well as, ethical wise, I feel better paying $20.00 for a theme frame to work with when I receive a $600 check for the design.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spark
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Spark,

      Generally, the websites are both templates and custom designs...

      I use multiple CMS systems for different client objectives...

      A client who needs Dynamic Content will be setup on Wordpress or Joomla with a premium theme and custom graphics ( example , paid $2,500 )

      Then i have clients who use strict HTML custom coded websites...

      Generally my themes are all premium themes... they offer more options for the new owner, as well as, ethical wise, I feel better paying $20.00 for a theme frame to work with when I receive a $600 check for the design.
      Hey LMC,

      Thanks for your comment on this. wow, perhaps i should also go into premium themes as well..instead of getting those free WP themes? Anyway how do you really start off? I mean you do not have any real website to show them off..Unless using some of the theme 'samples' found on those premium themes? Or a wordpress landing page?

      Ok let's say clients wish to have different platform that you don't really use it. How are you going to reply them? and the cost wise? Should we quote them at a later stage [Meaning, i inform them that i have work them out to check the total cost price before any work happens. If they happy about my quotation (which i have manage to outsource to people), then i can ask them for payment and start the work rolling.
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  • Profile picture of the author Al Andrews
    Thanks for the info LMC,

    I just started marketing offline a little over a week ago and have landed my first customer. This is really not that hard. The first shop or two that you walk into you may feel very nervous, but if you step out of your comfort zone and put forth the effort you will be surprised at the results you will get.

    The only thing to fear is fear itself!!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Spark
      Originally Posted by Al Andrews View Post

      Thanks for the info LMC,

      I just started marketing offline a little over a week ago and have landed my first customer. This is really not that hard. The first shop or two that you walk into you may feel very nervous, but if you step out of your comfort zone and put forth the effort you will be surprised at the results you will get.

      The only thing to fear is fear itself!!!!
      Wow! Great for you AA. but how did you really talk them abt this? just walk into it and ask whether do they need any websites? How do you really start off talking once you walk in?
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  • Profile picture of the author maco
    This is a great post. I am in the middle of preparation of business plan to start my off line consultancy business so this info will be very useful.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    As nike says, You got to.... just Do it
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  • Profile picture of the author ken_p
    wow. looks like you really hit the mark. very inspiring. i just wonder, how did you arrive at this point, i mean what was the turning point? were you doing IM for quite sometime, and decided to create a team?
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    Great content man. Truly inspirational!
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  • Profile picture of the author jficarro
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    I can actually offer a killer turkey wordpress
    Hey NetMan - I want a turkey wordpress. I'm hungry.
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    • Profile picture of the author NetMan
      Originally Posted by jficarro View Post

      Hey NetMan - I want a turkey wordpress. I'm hungry.
      K, no problem cranberries with that?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chuck Staff
    LMC:

    Awesome and inspirational post! Thanks for your thoughts and encouragement.

    Chuck
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  • Profile picture of the author k8spy8
    You have done a great deal of job. Which make to say easily that making $150000 is nothing but a piece of cake. Is it that much easy, can everyone make such an amount? I don't think it is possible. But wanna thank you that you have shared some ways to make some amount.
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    • Profile picture of the author n00b
      Originally Posted by k8spy8 View Post

      You have done a great deal of job. Which make to say easily that making $150000 is nothing but a piece of cake. Is it that much easy, can everyone make such an amount? I don't think it is possible. But wanna thank you that you have shared some ways to make some amount.
      Something that is easy to do is also easy not to do. You're absolutely right, not everyone who reads this thread is going to make $150,000 this year, but that's because there's an awful lot of dreamers who would rather sit around on the internet reading about other people's success rather than learning and implementing what they read. This forum is a resource and those that use it as such will reap the benefits. Those that use it as entertaining reading will get just that from it, entertainment.

      The only limitations are those you set for yourself. My first big marketing success came because I was too naive to realize that I had set an impossible goal. I put my head down and got to work and the next time I looked up I had broken records in the company I was with at the time. I'm really glad nobody "educated" me about the "reality" of the goals I had set for myself. (I later learned that my mentor had been telling my boyfriend (now hubby) that he needed to prepare me for the fact that there was no way I was going to accomplish my goal. My hubby has been my gatekeeper ever since )

      You need to decide if you're going to read success stories, learn from success stories, or act on success stories. The answer to that question really defines who you are in the IM world and probably in life as well. It's only impossible to make $150,000 doing this method because you say it is, forget about everyone else and whether they can do it too, the only reason to care about what other people will do after reading this thread is to make yourself feel better about not taking action. "I'm glad I didn't waste my time trying to make $150,000 doing that because no one else did."

      To the OP, thanks for taking the time to share your success and following it up with tips and detailed info. I especially like your Nike reference, just do it! This has been a great insight into marketing to offline businesses and the money to be made. Sometimes we go looking for riches on the internet and forget about the money to be made in our own backyards!
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        I haven't ventured into that market as of yet..

        I will be though by using the micro continuity method, that Russell brunsosn talks about.

        I feel if you use that you'll seal big business deals all the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spark
    micro continuity method? what's that? is there any link that i can read upon?
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    It is a membership that is set up with an auto responder. Create your membership through a autoresponder message system.

    Usually the marketing process of the membership begins with something like a free DVD, just pay shipping charges.

    Thank you all for the comments too!
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    • Profile picture of the author NetMan
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      It is a membership that is set up with an auto responder. Create your membership through a autoresponder message system.

      Usually the marketing process of the membership begins with something like a free DVD, just pay shipping charges.

      Thank you all for the comments too!
      LMC,

      Aren't you mixed up between two methods here?

      The first paragraph would refer to what Jimmy Brown called "Fixed Terms Membership" I believe, at least this is how his method works and seems to be called "micro continuity" as well.

      In the the second paragraph what you mentioned would refer more to the method called "Forced Continuity", recently used, for example, by Mike Filsame and his BM script giveaway.

      However, the 1st shouldn't prevent the 2nd one and a mix of both too of course.

      Regards,

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  • Profile picture of the author kayelex
    LMC.. Thanks for this post. You always seem to deliver. I can totally vouch for the conversions he is getting with sending out letters to prospects. You just need to get out there an do it
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  • Profile picture of the author b.super13
    Hi LMC,

    I have also been wanting to set up websites for small businesses around my community. I know basic HTML and can set up simple websites, do you know any place that has good templates for basic information sites?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author NetMan
      Originally Posted by b.super13 View Post

      Hi LMC,

      I have also been wanting to set up websites for small businesses around my community. I know basic HTML and can set up simple websites, do you know any place that has good templates for basic information sites?

      Thanks
      If you're just starting up, knowing HTML is a good thing though I suggest you get to know CSS and PHP as well, and start getting to build sites with Wordpress and Drupal and/or Joomla or with all of them... Content management systems driven sites, with SEO and Social Media tools integrated is the way to go nowadays, no less than that.

      Moreover, the CMS frameworks are so much well evoluted that it is not much more complicated to build sites with them, than with HTML from scratch. And way much less nightmarish to maintain after that. Believe me...

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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey,

    There are tons of template sites, we have used templatesbox.com, elegantthemes.com, woothemes.com, wpdesigner.com, etc.

    The best way to choose a good template to work with is:

    First Conceptualize what you feel the site should look like

    Then go on template websites such as the above and try to find one that matches or is similar to the website you had in mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roca
    Good topic. I picked up a $3000 job for SEO and $1000 monthly retainer for website copy-editing offline by just asking around my network if anybody knew of startup businesses. I got one lead which I followed up on. Even though they had a web designer in place, he knew nothing about SEO and that is where the opportunity came in.

    It wasn't even a hard sell, I just ran a IBP report that showed the competition's websites and sent that to the president of the company. He could not place the order fast enough.
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    • Profile picture of the author jficarro
      Originally Posted by Roca View Post

      Good topic. I picked up a $3000 job for SEO and $1000 monthly retainer for website copy-editing offline by just asking around my network if anybody knew of startup businesses. I got one lead which I followed up on. Even though they had a web designer in place, he knew nothing about SEO and that is where the opportunity came in.

      It wasn't even a hard sell, I just ran a IBP report that showed the competition's websites and sent that to the president of the company. He could not place the order fast enough.

      Forgive my ignorance... but what is an IBP report?
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    • Profile picture of the author Spark
      Originally Posted by Roca View Post

      Good topic. I picked up a $3000 job for SEO and $1000 monthly retainer for website copy-editing offline by just asking around my network if anybody knew of startup businesses. I got one lead which I followed up on. Even though they had a web designer in place, he knew nothing about SEO and that is where the opportunity came in.

      It wasn't even a hard sell, I just ran a IBP report that showed the competition's websites and sent that to the president of the company. He could not place the order fast enough.
      Hey...what didn't we think of this?! We can give them the competitors and mention them that their ranking is higher than them which mean more traffic flow to them.

      Simple and nice idea!! Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author Roca
      Originally Posted by LMC View Post

      Yup, that's the one. Well worth the money, especially as a marketing tool. Showing the report that analyzes the competitions website structure and rankings against that of the potential customer, with some suggested changes thrown in, builds credibility fast. This method has brought me most of my business in this area.

      I'm sure there are other tools that will do the same thing. The method is the important thing, as most people don't believe two things...firstly that someone will do that kind of research up front (it doesn't take more than 15 minutes, but looks impressive), and secondly, as many others here said, how much more work is involved to really having their website work for them.

      The combination of those two things has rarely failed me when trying to get customers.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Chamberlain
    At the moment there is a hidden opportunity within the recession, a website is an investment, and like any investment, you intend to see a return. It is an opportunity to approach a whole different market and expose your business to the masses.

    I think it is critical you bring potential clients round to this way of thinking.

    Also, make sure you over deliver - this will get you 'word of mouth' referrals, and this is exactly the kind of advertisement you want in an industry full of cowboys!
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  • Profile picture of the author Droopy Dawg
    Same thing I was thinking... good stuff in this thread. Thanks LMC


    Originally Posted by Razer Rage View Post

    Nice...reminds me of the offline cash cow method...except outsource it. Brilliant, will try in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spark
    Hmmm,

    Does Traffic Travis any good compare to IBP? Free SEO Software | Traffic Travis

    It's seem friendly and easy to understand. However they are just doing analyst while IBP able to promote links for them..

    Understand that doing this research take 20mins..but how are you going to tell clients the time to finish the research? I dont think you guys will be telling them it's take 20mins right? haha.. i think i will just mention it's take 1-2 days to compile the research for them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Roca
      Originally Posted by Spark View Post

      Hmmm,

      Does Traffic Travis any good compare to IBP? Free SEO Software | Traffic Travis

      It's seem friendly and easy to understand. However they are just doing analyst while IBP able to promote links for them..

      Understand that doing this research take 20mins..but how are you going to tell clients the time to finish the research? I dont think you guys will be telling them it's take 20mins right? haha.. i think i will just mention it's take 1-2 days to compile the research for them?
      I can't tell from their product description how it compares. But remember, most people don't know anything about SEO, so if you can show them some value and knowledge, it improves the chances of you getting business.

      How long it takes is none of the customer's business, he will be paying you for your expertise, not your hours. You need to show that expertise in a way that makes them want to pay you for it. Concentrate on talking through whatever information you give him. On-site SEO and competitive position for his site has worked well for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author shakti2u
    What types of businesses are the best to approach to build websites for? I am working for a distributor of auto detail products and have been trying to figure out a way to help him as his dealership business is declining. What type of website could I build for him? Thanks,

    Sylvia
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  • Profile picture of the author Spark
    i suggest using those premium themes? Look into WooThemes|Premium WordPress Themes.
    they have great templates.
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  • Profile picture of the author Spark
    really?! To me, i feel Traffic Travis are more user friendly plus the price does look cheaper than IBP. Yet there's no much on submission tools for Travis. Will do. thanks for your help on this.

    However if we are starting a new website, do you intend to add the SEO packages or just pure web design? Up to personal choice?
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  • Profile picture of the author INFOSEEKER-2009
    Great Thought for the Day ! ! !

    Remember ... Sales is Always a People to People Activity ! ! !

    Real-World or Online ...

    You Reminded Us to Remember the Basics ! ! !

    Thanx
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