Outsourcing to Philippines Help

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Hi,

I am looking to outsource to the Philippines but have no idea where to begin and how much it will cost. I hear it should be roughly 250USD/mth for a VA.

Are there any free guides/blogs online on how to do this effectively? Where do i find my VA's? onlinejobs.ph?

Also, how do test the qualifications of a VA?

Please don't sell me a course or a service
#outsourcing #philippines
  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    It depends on what types of jobs you required a VA to do.
    First, you need to make an outline of the things that you needed to be done by a VA. This includes lick building (social bookmarks, article submissions, web 2.0, blog commenting, etc), content writing and rewriting, blog posting, design and programming or website maintenance, and the like.

    It is hard to set the price if you don't have a lit of these things.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aravind Murthy
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      It depends on what types of jobs you required a VA to do.
      First, you need to make an outline of the things that you needed to be done by a VA. This includes lick building (social bookmarks, article submissions, web 2.0, blog commenting, etc), content writing and rewriting, blog posting, design and programming or website maintenance, and the like.

      It is hard to set the price if you don't have a lit of these things.
      Rightly said. Coding something from scratch is usually more expensive than link building.You can find writers writing articles for a few dollars right here in warrior forum.It's difficult to say whether 250 USD is enough or not without knowing what kind of work is required to be outsourced. For link building and such work, 250 USD sounds about good IMO.
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  • Profile picture of the author jessiem
    Originally Posted by travelsoulja View Post

    I hear it should be roughly 250USD/mth for a VA.
    It depends, some VAs charged for 300-400$/month and some charged for less than 200$/month. Seasoned VAs are truly in demand but they are quite expensive.

    Originally Posted by travelsoulja View Post

    Are there any free guides/blogs online on how to do this effectively? Where do i find my VA's? onlinejobs.ph?
    Chris Ducker is surely the man who can help you with outsourcing. He runs a VA business in the Philippines. Yeah, Onlinejobs.ph is a good site to try. Other sites you can try as well are Staff.com and Fiverr. Staff.com for instance guarantees to hire full time/part time VAs, web developer, programmers etc. Most of their VAs are from the Philippines, too.

    Originally Posted by travelsoulja View Post

    Also, how do test the qualifications of a VA?
    Freelance sites have a way to test them. Other than reading through their resumes, you can do an interview (via Hangout or Skype) to gauge their skills. I'm not sure if Onlinejobs.ph allows you to conduct pre-tests but Staff.com does.
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  • Profile picture of the author Efryll
    $250 a month? You can probably get that with newbies, but definitely not experienced ones.

    If you hire someone in that range, you will probably receive $250 worth of service and expect them to find some other job that offers more..
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    • Profile picture of the author jjmags1219
      Odesk is another option.And here are some tips you can use with Odesk

      "Also, how do test the qualifications of a VA?" You can begin with identifying first what are the qualities/skills you want for a VA. But basically, you will have to look for a VA who has the right attitude, skills and knowledge.

      1. Initial Screening - Check VAs who can provide you a cover letter that is not
      just a generic type or a copy/paste application.

      2.Attitude Evaluation - Create questions that can help you evaluate on contractor's personality.

      3. Check their portfolio

      4. Review Feedback - Check the contractors feedback from the previous clients.

      5. Conduct an interview - during this time dig more on how the VA can help you.

      Hope this helps
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  • Profile picture of the author yakim1
    I used to train VAs and found them to be very polite and well educated with college degrees but with no work available. You do need to remember that their first language is not English.

    I worked for a big Internet marketer, who was from the Philippines and the VA trainees were from his village.

    One still works for me and I pay $300 a month.

    As for how to contact them I could not tell you because these people I trained were not found by me.

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  • Profile picture of the author edpudol1973
    $250 a month maybe for a VA that will work for you 3-4 hours a day, do not expect him or her to work for you 8 hours a day at the amount.

    If you want a well trained and experience VA, you must be willing to invest at least $500 - $1,000 a month depends on what you expect from your VA.
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  • Profile picture of the author Omarfromlondon
    Hello Warriors,

    I am also in position where i'm considering hiring an experienced full time web developer (coding larger scale web application from scratch) , my budget is around £500 p/m. Could anyone recommended someone on this forum, who can assist with finding candidates, or has experience with such procedures?... Any advice will be greatly appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Janice Stacy
    You can contact with a lot of Filipino freelance contractors through oDesk and you might get someone really good for $250/month.
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  • Profile picture of the author vedremo
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    The merger of oDesk and Elance will provide more opportunities for online Filipino VAs. I believe it boils down to your budget. Once you've set a monthly budget for your VA then you can try looking for the perfect VA for your business needs via oDesk/Elance.

    The pre-selection and hiring process is pretty easy since oDesk/Elance have constantly improved their processes. You can narrow down your choices by giving an exam and just choose the top 5 candidates for a series of interviews or simply a final interview. You can do this via Skype using chat or voice.

    I always believe that everything is a Number's game. Even with a limited budget, you may be lucky in finding a really good talent for a reasonable rate. There are always exceptions since the interview will not test the work ethics and integrity of a candidate. A candidate with a high rate doesn't always exude quality work output nor good work ethics. This would explain why some Clients have a trial or test period. This is a proven practice to avoid investing in the wrong contractor.

    Reasonable rate is sometimes synonymous to average skills and work quality. This is why a client needs to be very meticulous with his or her selection process. I also believe that if a client's lucky in finding a contractor with a reasonable rate with great skills then he or she must reciprocate by providing a rate increase after 3 months of exemplary work or provide bonuses. Even if it's online work which is so superficial and impersonal, clients are expected to practice good business ethics and integrity.

    A happy employee is a loyal employee. Respect begets respect. Don't treat your VAs like slaves. Remember without them, your business won't be a success. When in doubt, always check your budget and put yourself in the shoes of the contractor. This will help you in figuring out the appropriate compensation for your chosen VA without sacrificing your finances.
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  • Profile picture of the author malcsimm
    It's really not just a question of going to oDesk and immediately getting hold of a good VA for $400 a month. It's not that easy.

    It is really hard finding someone with the exact right skills and it's really hard testing them. Then, you have to decide how to check on them – just trust them? Or use time, doctor? Or get them to log on to oDesk every time they work – and oDesk takes a snapshot of their computer about every 10 minutes.

    (That's what I currently do with my two part-time outsourcers. I specify their jobs on Basecamp, and they log on to oDesk when they are working. It works well - and they like it too.)

    Interviewing for a full-time VA is a thankless task! For a start, nearly every VA exaggerates their skills. So you may have to work through quite a few before you find one that can actually do what they claim to be able to.

    I'm not saying they are lying! They just have a different view of being able to do the job properly than I do

    If I wanted a VA full time – in fact, I should say *when* I want a VA full time because it will happen - I would check out Chris Ducker. He sounds really cool and lives in the Philippines himself. He will actually find a VA specifically for you for a fee. Then you hook up with them and pay them from there on.

    If you want to hear him talk - he's convincing – check out the podcast where Amy Porterfield interviews him on her site. It's a goodie.

    But don't imagine that getting a good VA is easy: it's flipping hard. But it's still worth it when you find a really good one.

    I really think it's worth paying someone a few hundred dollars to find you a good one because it will save you hours and weeks and months of probable wasted time.

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  • Profile picture of the author carlamae
    What if you just need one job here and there...is there a preferred method for finding the right VA in that situation?
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    • Profile picture of the author malcsimm
      Originally Posted by carlamae View Post

      What if you just need one job here and there...is there a preferred method for finding the right VA in that situation?
      Hey Carlamae - What I do is – find someone at oDesk to do the job I want for 20 / 30 / $40. Then I see what they're like.

      If I like them, and if they meet my budget, then I take them on, on an hourly rate.

      I got two guys working for me now and one is six dollars an hour one is $10 an hour. They both have similar capabilities technically.

      I set them jobs to do in Basecamp as and when I need them. I use base camp because it's just a fantastic way of setting projects and keeping track of them.

      So one week I might use my guys for 20 hours and then another week maybe for zero hours.

      It works well for me, and it gets them some work.

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    • Profile picture of the author davidsotto1810
      This is a good advise. Don't depend on a single person for all your tasks (un till you get one suitable to handle all). Get separate workers for different tasks. After a few changes you may actually find the person who may handle all your tasks by himself / herself. I prefer to look at SEOClerks.com for my requirements and I get the job done. I feel SEOClerks is presently the most effective marketplace for webmasters looking to outsource.

      Originally Posted by carlamae View Post

      What if you just need one job here and there...is there a preferred method for finding the right VA in that situation?
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      • Profile picture of the author malcsimm
        Originally Posted by davidsotto1810 View Post

        This is a good advise. Don't depend on a single person for all your tasks. I feel SEOClerks is presently the most effective marketplace for webmasters looking to outsource.
        True, SEOclerks can get you some good workers. But the problem is you can only it's a sort of "super Fiverr".

        Whereas with oDesk you can put jobs up and then people can bid on your jobs. So you get a lot more applicants to choose from.

        It's a bit like going to SEOClerks or Fiverr for a design job. If it comes back and it's not what you want then you are stuck and you can go backwards and forwards for weeks. Still not getting a result.

        Whereas if you go to a competition site like 99Designs or 24HoursLogo you can choose from 10, 20 or more entrants and get exactly what you like. Yes, you have to pay more money, but unless you're really on the bread line. It saves you so much time, and you get such a better design, that it's worth it.

        So, with oDesk you are going to have more choice of work. And if they don't work out, you can always go back to the other people who bid and try out a different one without having to go through the whole process again.

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  • Profile picture of the author Superstar88
    Hi travelsoulja! Aside from promoting affiliate products I also work in Odesk. I believe Odesk is one of the most famous online job sites for us Filipinos because it has been proven to be legit. There are a lot of Filipino VA's there.
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  • Profile picture of the author sarah23
    If you are looking for experienced VA, then don't expect to pay less than $400.
    Anyone accepting less than that won,t be experienced.
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  • Profile picture of the author srolly85
    Hello friend,

    Good question...outsourcing can be some-what trickey.

    I have used a bunch of services...oDesk, eLance...fiverr, independent services for VAs.

    Without knowing what you are trying to accomplish (and trust me this is important) I will give you some basic advice.

    Be as SPECIFIC as you can possibly be with whatever you want accomplished. Create a list of tasks, specific targets and objectives. I have spent a lot of money going through this process and the fault was entirely on me for not being as precise as possible.

    Find VAs who specialize in specific tasks. If you want a VA who is going to leave comments on blogs, dont also ask them to design you a squeeze page unless they are qualified for this. This is another biggie, yes there are some jack of all trades VAs but this has not been a commonplace, atleast not for me.

    Ask them to do an interview via Skype. Ultimately you need to be happy with the other person on the line and verify that they are who you think they are. This helps me sift through my candidates really quickly as I can tell by a conversation who is going to work best with me.

    All the best!
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