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I think this would be amazing for the Warrior Forum

by LMC
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Hello Warriors,

I fell into the black hole of buying domain names this morning and purchased 40 or so... and got interested in learning more about how to become a domain registrant.

The reason to become a domain registrant is that your domain names would be cheaper, like $6.00 cheaper.

So, I did some research, and at this point I have found that it only cost a fee of $4,000 to become a domain registrant, but then there are ongoing fees for the purchase of a name...

If we all chip in $5.00, we can fund the money to give to Allen, to make the warrior forum a true domain registrant, and then maybe it could be a non-profit resource for warriors only, and we all can get very cheap domain names.

Obviously there are probably more logistics that I don't even know about, but it is just food for thought.
#amazing #forum #warrior
  • Profile picture of the author Srikanth D
    LMC you sure think big!! Nice idea

    to add on to it. The domain names should be sold at non-profit rates only to people who contributed $5 to it (did I just sound mean???)
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  • Profile picture of the author Ant West
    Nice idea, I've been looking at going into a domain registrant but $4,000 is way outta my league!, I'd be happy to Chip in way more then $5
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  • Profile picture of the author Teli
    That is what I call thinking BIG. Very cool idea to think of the Warrior Forum as an actual registrant. The question now becomes: Would Allen be interested in doing it? And $5 is definitely not unreasonable.

    And no, heretowin, you did not sound mean. I can definitely see the benefit of limiting the discount to chip-inners and charging full rate to those who didn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mr McDonald
    Sounds interesting, will keep an eyeout for more details.
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Hey,

    Thanks guys... maybe the post will get some recognition and Allen will provide feedback.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dollface
      This sounds interesting... I'm all for helping out others, but I agree. If they don't chip in, they don't get the benefit!
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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Originally Posted by LMC View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    I fell into the black hole of buying domain names this morning and purchased 40 or so... and got interested in learning more about how to become a domain registrant.

    The reason to become a domain registrant is that your domain names would be cheaper, like $6.00 cheaper.

    So, I did some research, and at this point I have found that it only cost a fee of $4,000 to become a domain registrant, but then there are ongoing fees for the purchase of a name...

    If we all chip in $5.00, we can fund the money to give to Allen, to make the warrior forum a true domain registrant, and then maybe it could be a non-profit resource for warriors only, and we all can get very cheap domain names.

    Obviously there are probably more logistics that I don't even know about, but it is just food for thought.
    Gee, don't you think people would be lining up to do this? You DO know that you need to control THE domain servers, right? You know about all the requirements by places like ICANN, etc, right? You know that it is based on a lottery, and THE current holder of the rights for .COM and .NET is network solutions, right?

    Until 1999, there weren't even any other registrants because networksolutions REFUSED! They had to be sued!

    So HOW could you become a REAL registrant, registering at REAL cost, or even simply with the licensing fee that ICANN charges, by paying $4000 when all the systems would likely cost more than that? BTW godaddy is charging $9.99/year for .coms, so you are saying $3.99. That is even lower than verisign old reseller plan which, ironically, used to be one of the lowest priced.

    BTW $4000 isn't out of MY league. I'd be curious to hear how this even COULD work, much less does. Heck, verisign used to charge far more than that just to go a little deeper than most. One company charged that much just to resell their service at the highest level!(THEY were simply a network solutions reseller, etc...) You could sell at a higher price to someone else, and they could sell at a higher price to someone else, and THEY could only register domain names, and do things you added.

    And how much of that $4000 goes to icann and the US government for vetting?(assuming you want to sell COM, NET, ORG, US, and possibly EDU) How much must be in a bond, etc? What staffing do you have to commit to?

    BTW Cost to add name to your OWN domain? NOTHING!
    Cost to add name within ICANNs domain? About $.20/year
    Cost to add to .COM, which is verisigns/icanns domain? About $6.86/year(icann fees ALSO apply) And don't forget the .com redirecting fiasco that happened several years ago. Verisign had control of ALL the .COM/.NET names, EVEN ones that weren't registered!!

    Opensrs affiliate "wholesale"? About $8.00/year(last I knew)
    network solutions retail? About $9.00/year
    Godaddy retail? About 9.99/year
    opensrs NONaffiliate "wholesale"? About $10.00/year(last I knew)

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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
      Originally Posted by seasoned View Post

      So HOW could you become a REAL registrant, registering at REAL cost, or even simply with the licensing fee that ICANN charges, by paying $4000 when all the systems would likely cost more than that? BTW godaddy is charging $9.99/year for .coms, so you are saying $3.99. That is even lower than verisign old reseller plan which, ironically, used to be one of the lowest priced.
      Just incase you didn't realize godaddy actually pays just a monthly or yearly fee to another company (i forget the name) and has paid even more to change their section of the script so it is more personalized. They are nothing more than just an affiliate/reseller of domains for an even bigger company.

      However being a resseller/affiliate of this bigger company does mean that you have to keep to their pricing guidelines and they are the ones that pay that $4000 or whatever and plus all other costs.

      I highly doubt allen would want the stress of running a domain registration company ontop of whatever else he does as well as the forum. Especially seeing as there is no need for it and he wouldn't be making any profit but would still be costing him time.

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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Tom Brite View Post

        Just incase you didn't realize godaddy actually pays just a monthly or yearly fee to another company (i forget the name) and has paid even more to change their section of the script so it is more personalized. They are nothing more than just an affiliate/reseller of domains for an even bigger company.

        However being a resseller/affiliate of this bigger company does mean that you have to keep to their pricing guidelines and they are the ones that pay that $4000 or whatever and plus all other costs.

        I highly doubt allen would want the stress of running a domain registration company ontop of whatever else he does as well as the forum. Especially seeing as there is no need for it and he wouldn't be making any profit but would still be costing him time.

        Tom Brite
        That is exactly my point! EVERYONE, except verisign is a RESELLER for verisign if it is .COM/.NET. HECK, verisign LOST .org and .edu!

        I STRONGLY suspect that godaddy basically makes NOTHING on domain names. It DOES allow them to offer some VERY expensive, and PROFITABLE, upsells though! Privacy, email, domains, etc.... And the traffic and notariety definitely helps.

        ALLEN, by contrast, has given some things for FREE that he could have, and even has, charged for.

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      • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
        Originally Posted by Tom Brite View Post


        I highly doubt allen would want the stress of running a domain registration company ontop of whatever else he does as well as the forum. Especially seeing as there is no need for it and he wouldn't be making any profit but would still be costing him time.

        Tom Brite
        That's what I was thinking, too. It's a nice idea, but I don't think people realize how much work goes into keeping a busy forum like this running smoothly. The helpdesk is awesome, of course, but do all the people 'behind the scenes' really want to take something like this on?
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Sounds like a plan Stan. Count me in!
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  • Profile picture of the author LMC
    Steve,

    Like I said... its just food for thought, I don't know the logistics, just an idea, maybe someone knows the answers
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  • Profile picture of the author John Taylor
    The simplest solution would be to set up as an eNom
    reseller. The current pricing is..



    $7.95 with a $1,595 set up fee.

    So, just to break even you would need to sell 1,600
    domains at $8.95

    Or 160 people would need to pay $10 each to gain
    access to the $7.95 members only registration fee

    Of course there would be additional running costs
    such as hosting etc.

    Is it worth the hassle?

    Are there enough people willing to invest $10?

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lorence
      Probably a waste of time and energy, who needs the hassle of dealing with ICANN and Network Solutions?

      Anybody can be a domain reseller, and there are thousands- most loosing money. Or they do it to add value to their hosting business.
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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Carl Kelly
      Originally Posted by John Taylor View Post

      $7.95 with a $1,595 set up fee.

      So, just to break even you would need to sell 1,600
      domains at $8.95
      Actually, if you went with the $6995 option you'd get $6995 in eNom points so you'd have to sell only 780 domains at $8.95 to break even.
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  • Profile picture of the author admin
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    I sold my interest in my hosting company and have no interest in anything related to hosting :-)

    Would be nice but it would probably end up being another headache and if it generated 'any' customer service issues at all I'd definitely run from it screaming...
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  • Profile picture of the author dorim
    I have a reseller account at Wild West Domains, but your idea is a good one LMC, I'll chip in!
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
      Originally Posted by dorim View Post

      I have a reseller account at Wild West Domains, but your idea is a good one LMC, I'll chip in!
      Ahhh that was what it was called!

      Wild West Domains is who hostgator use to sell domains through. Anyone can be a reseller with them for a fixed monthly fee. Plus they handle all the site etc for you.

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      • Profile picture of the author dorim
        Originally Posted by Tom Brite View Post

        Ahhh that was what it was called!

        Wild West Domains is who hostgator use to sell domains through. Anyone can be a reseller with them for a fixed monthly fee. Plus they handle all the site etc for you.

        Tom Brite
        Its a yearly fee at Wild West, not a monthly fee. Depending on the reseller plan you chose the yearly fee starts at $99, but now there is some special where you can get a basic reseller plan for $59 a year, but the buy rate on domains is higher.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Originally Posted by Tom Brite View Post

        Ahhh that was what it was called!

        Wild West Domains is who hostgator use to sell domains through. Anyone can be a reseller with them for a fixed monthly fee. Plus they handle all the site etc for you.

        Tom Brite
        ACTUALLY, WWD is a reseller for GODADDY! You can't REALLY resell, per se, godaddys services, but you CAN do so with WWD.

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  • Profile picture of the author ReyRey
    Why not sign up for the eNom program as John suggested and make it a membership site.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lightlysalted
    just $4000? That's crazy money, I'm happy buying them one at a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author Harry Behrens
    Yeah I'm pretty suspicious that this is a lot more complicated that it sounds or *every* community would be doing this and you hear about it all the time.

    Of course I could be totally wrong and my mind is open to the possibility
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyrus Antas
    To save a couple bucks? Not worth the trouble.

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  • Profile picture of the author seasoned
    Allen is very right! I started selling domains in 1999, possibly before ANYONE here! I used OpenSRS, and made a mistake of telling a friend about it. I argued with a friend of his about how I COULD beat verisigns price. You see, almost NOBODY was selling domain names back then. He eventually went with me. Sadly, I was SO tied up in support of doing things they REALLY wanted, etc... and asking questions, and it never took off. I LATER found out about another company, but the interface was clunky, etc.... I THEN found out about WWD, and they had JUST come out with an API. I was probably one of the first on it. The guy there was helpful, but the POLITICS, YIKES! They originally wanted over $900 just to SHOW it to me! I finally decided to go with the normal WWD. Nice, simple to use, but there are still a LOT of things I don't like. Of course, my friends called ME for support. Even GOdADDY seems to be lacking.

    OK, you got a TASTE of what allen was talking about. Here is the ICING! I am about to tell you something you would NEVER guess in a MILLION years!!!!!!!!!

    A guy threatened to sue me because I wouldn't change the whois entry on one of his EXPIRED domains! The guy was a big contributer to the democrat party, and the site was geared towards gun ownership. He did NOT want to renew it, or anything of the sort, but wanted the whois entry to be changed. And he saved over $20/year by buying it through me, and had full access until it expired!

    Still, if I could get where VERISIGN is for $4000, I would be HAPPY! Domain names and SSL certificates are EASY to create and manage, but software is written to point to a master domain, and has a list of C/As! If YOU aren't there, you might as well have NO ability to handle domain names at all.

    BTW Just last month, through a comedy of errors, WWD didn't charge me, or really ask for the fees, so they took over my account. You would think they'd have a better way of handling it. I am STILL forwarding to their site, out of fairness to my old customers, though I get nothing. They tried to doublespeak me through a renewal but, when I asked very poited questions until I got an answer, I found that it would really be a new BLANK account. NO THANKS!

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