I'm tired of all the "If you had to start over" or "what would you do with $50" threads...

by Jeff Lenney Banned
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Seriously guys - I know you're just trying to find what WORKS - but you're not going to get a different answer if you post the same question that's been asked 100 times already. You're not being clever or going to find out the "secret" by phrasing your question differently. Use the search feature, you're not the first person to ask that question - and it's probably been asked TODAY already...twice.

Want to make money online, really?

Here's what I do and it works.

  1. Search Clickbank.com for a niche that has at least 5-10 hot selling products (with gravity over 50, or 25 if it's a less popular niche - just make sure the sales page looks HOT and there is desperate crowds searching for solutions in that niche - forex is good, teeth whitening - not so much)
  2. Check the google keyword planner to see how many monthly phrases the products names get. Does the product name have over 200 searches per month? Good - it's a keeper.
  3. Find a hot with hot products? Good, buy a domain name related to that NICHE - not related to a product name. Get something that sounds authoritative, not SuperDuperRealProductReview.com - that just sounds silly and makes it quite obvious you're just trying to rank with a dumb looking domain name instead of the authority of your site.
  4. Contact EACH of the product owners via their affiliate pages and ask for a review copy of their product to review for your affiliate blog - you'll probably get responses from 50-75%
  5. Go to their affiliate pages and look for keyword ideas (many have keyword lists of KW's you can promote) and plug those into the google Keyword Planner (keywords related to the niche, NOT the product). If you can't find keywords there, start by typing in what YOU'D search for if you were looking for info in that niche (in the KW planner tool, again)
  6. Find 25-50 keywords that are searched for (world wide) MORE than 200 times per month - the more searches the better
  7. Download Traffic Travis FREE from Free SEO Software | The Best SEO Management Tool | Traffic Travis (non affiliate link) and plug your keywords 5 at a time into the SEO/Competition/ Keywords List and look for keywords that are medium difficulty or UNDER
  8. Rince and Repeat the process with Traffic Travis until you have 15-25 good keywords with over 200 searches per month and Medium or LESS difficulty.
  9. Go to iWriter : Article Writing Service | Get Content For Your Website, Cheap! and order 15-25 articles, 1 per keyword. ALWAYS use a 4 star writer and 500 words - you'll pay $5.50 per article and a tip if they write over. If you find a writer you like, use him as a favorite. If you find a writer you DON'T like, you can reject the article and ask for another one.
  10. While your articles are being written - start writing your own REVIEWS of the products you received access to. If you didn't get a response yet be patient - worse case scenario you might need to buy them. You want you review to BE REAL and show real SCREEN SHOTS from the members area and show people you took the time to review the product. Show them you've got it too and you're NOT just trying to sell it to them. (Bonus: Do a video review and post the video on youtube AND embed it in your blog)
  11. Moving on a few days later - you've got 5-10 reviews you've written, and 15-25 good articles on your niche. Set up a wordpress blog and plug your articles in, schedule them to post 1 per day for the next however many days. Optimize each post for SEO (if you don't know how, there are plenty of threads on here discussing this) DON'T just add the text and leave it like that, add images - add header tags, add bold and colored fonts. Make it look NICE. Ask yourself if you would read it. If you're un-sure, you probably need to make it look better.
  12. Use traffic travis and create a new project - add your domain AND all of your keywords. On the bottom RIGHT set TT to check the top 200 results (the default is 10). You can now check your websites rankings for the keywords, up to the first 200 results or 20 pages.
HOLY CRAP this thread became longer than I Expected. Forgive any typos or anything, I haven't gone back through in SUPER detail to look for any typos etc.

Anyways - I did a site like this that I started in Early December. I spent the first 1 1/2 months just adding articles - I added 50 that I had written for me (no I won't share my site). I also added the REVIEWS that I did - and am now making $250 a day JUST from this site consistently. I'm ranked on page 1 for multiple PRODUCT names in this niche and even product author names.

Let's see how many of you take action on this - and maybe I'll get into some simple linking stuff you can do for free, high PR links.


Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Ha! I was just thinking the same thing yesterday. I noticed a lot of "what would you do with $100 (or whatever amount it happened to be" type threads. Seems like a roundabout way of trying to get people to spill their secrets.

    I even thought about responding by saying "give the money to me and I'll give you a few tips."

    I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.
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  • Profile picture of the author AZJ0SH
    As someone who is just getting started with ClickBank this is an awesome post, I am going to try this method. My goal is $50/day from 1-2 products which seems feasible.
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  • Profile picture of the author sahi
    with so many such threads out there, anyone wanting to post a similar thread should first use the search button but people are either genuinely lazy or intentionally lazy and they just prefer to post these types of threads.
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    • Profile picture of the author AZJ0SH
      Originally Posted by sahi View Post

      with so many such threads out there, anyone wanting to post a similar thread should first use the search button but people are either genuinely lazy or intentionally lazy and they just prefer to post these types of threads.
      If you type in something like "make money clickbank" you get about 1,000 threads, and maybe 5-10 of them are ones like this with genuine information.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by AZJ0SH View Post

      As someone who is just getting started with ClickBank this is an awesome post, I am going to try this method. My goal is $50/day from 1-2 products which seems feasible.
      It's easy - just take action (not to sound cliche!)

      Originally Posted by sahi View Post

      with so many such threads out there, anyone wanting to post a similar thread should first use the search button but people are either genuinely lazy or intentionally lazy and they just prefer to post these types of threads.
      But the search button is too easy! :rolleyes: LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author AZJ0SH
        Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

        It's easy - just take action (not to sound cliche!)

        But the search button is too easy! :rolleyes: LOL
        I just joined ClickBank and I am a little overwhelmed at all the products, there are so many niches and I have no idea what I want to go with.

        I might go after something obscure, like jaw pain or teeth whitening or something along those lines, I really have no clue yet. Going to spend a few hours looking at whats selling, what's out there, and what the competition is like.

        I have a really good content writer I worked with in the past I may put to work again. Going to snag up a domain tonight after I pick a niche.
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    Great post!! Jeff knows his stuff.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by AZJ0SH View Post

      I just joined ClickBank and I am a little overwhelmed at all the products, there are so many niches and I have no idea what I want to go with.

      I might go after something obscure, like jaw pain or teeth whitening or something along those lines, I really have no clue yet. Going to spend a few hours looking at whats selling, what's out there, and what the competition is like.

      I have a really good content writer I worked with in the past I may put to work again. Going to snag up a domain tonight after I pick a niche.
      Perfect man - keep us posted on your progress! :-)

      Just make sure it's something you can make an AUTHORITY site on. I'd probably be bored if i read a huge site about teeth whitening or dental care... lol

      Try something like fitness, weight loss, getting a six pack, getting a girlfriend...getting a boyfriend, making money online, forex, investing etc

      The things people are more DESPERATE for and will pay quicker

      Originally Posted by kidconfidence View Post

      Great post!! Jeff knows his stuff.
      Thank you kind sir!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mateenyall
    Wow,

    This is going straight into the resources section of my blog lol. I cringe when there's anything got to do with SEO but I like how the article writing is outsourced. Definitely trying this method + it looks like a good long term strategy as well!

    Kind of getting sick and paranoid with paid advertising although it's making me good money..
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  • This thread is awesome. Solid advice for a beginner, everyone wants to make that money FAST. There is no such thing as making fast money without the money to spend... time and effort WILL pay off, if you follow the above structure.
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lovelace
      Thank you all for the solid advice, and direction. This is a post to be bookmarked

      Eric
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by Bill Hugall View Post

        For sure your wrong, I have yet to see over saturation actually hurt someone who is willing to work. There are so many ways to get eyeballs on your offer that I could care less if we were all promoting the same thing. Most of the people who picked it would drop out after the first failed attempt.

        The rest would bow out when paid traffic took more than it gave, and a bunch would never make it from click bank to the next webpage. It is just how it works. Saturation is an excuse.
        It doesnt have to be 50 - just throwing up a number since I didnt feel like explaining gravity. By all means, if there is traffic in that niche - and the sales page on the product looks AMAZING (ideally with a video) - it's fine to promote it.

        As for saturation? Never - of every 100 people that read my thread, MAYBE 5% will take action. Of those 5% - most will give up after the first week or two as it requires "work". :-)


        Originally Posted by InfinitePotential11 View Post

        This thread is awesome. Solid advice for a beginner, everyone wants to make that money FAST. There is no such thing as making fast money without the money to spend... time and effort WILL pay off, if you follow the above structure.
        Thanks man

        Originally Posted by Eric Lovelace View Post

        Thank you all for the solid advice, and direction. This is a post to be bookmarked

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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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          Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

          There are 95 total options right now, across the board with gravity of 50 or above. The 5-10 people in this thread was supposed to impress the absurdity with which the saturation exists.

          Hundreds of THOUSANDS of people are vyying for those same 95 options.

          And I think most will give up in the first week or two because for all for of the insistence that work must be done, little to know description of said work is given.

          Just sayin'
          I started a brand new website for a niche i've NEVER been in - made $200 yesterday, $130 today - $250 on friday saturday AND sunday of last week.....

          Saturation you say?

          Edit: i'm also on page 1 now for many of the actual product names AND author names of the products.

          Granted - I left out my backlinking methods as that would take me a bit longer to write out...
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          • Profile picture of the author IMBlest
            Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

            I started a brand new website for a niche i've NEVER been in - made $200 yesterday, $130 today - $250 on friday saturday AND sunday of last week.....

            Saturation you say?

            Edit: i'm also on page 1 now for many of the actual product names AND author names of the products.

            Granted - I left out my backlinking methods as that would take me a bit longer to write out...
            Very impressive!!

            I'm not surprised after reading the tips that you wrote above. It sounds like you really know what you are doing.

            I'm surprised you haven't done a WSO on this yet.

            Thanks again for the great tips! I will definitely bookmark this thread.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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              Originally Posted by IMBlest View Post

              Very impressive!!

              I'm not surprised after reading the tips that you wrote above. It sounds like you really know what you are doing.

              I'm surprised you haven't done a WSO on this yet.

              Thanks again for the great tips! I will definitely bookmark this thread.
              Thanks man appreciate the kind words. Actually I MIGHT do a high ticket product based on this with a big "guru" I work with alot - but that discussion is still in the works. :-)
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        • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
          Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

          There are 95 total options right now, across the board with gravity of 50 or above. The 5-10 people in this thread was supposed to impress the absurdity with which the saturation exists.

          Hundreds of THOUSANDS of people are vyying for those same 95 options.

          And I think most will give up in the first week or two because for all for of the insistence that work must be done, little to know description of said work is given.

          Just sayin'
          And hundreds of thousands of people are making money. Some more than others.

          If you come into this game with a scarcity mindset that bc there are so many people vying for the same 95 options, you can't make any money, then you're setting yourself up for failure.

          Saturation is a state of mind my friend.

          There is plenty of money to go around for everyone who goes out and gets it, even you.

          I just set my father-n-law up in a niche that you would consider, by your standards, is saturated, yet he's already making more than $2 back for every $1 he's spent on traffic.

          Most people give up within a week or 2 because they are simply just weak minded individuals.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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          Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

          There are 95 total options right now, across the board with gravity of 50 or above. The 5-10 people in this thread was supposed to impress the absurdity with which the saturation exists.

          Hundreds of THOUSANDS of people are vyying for those same 95 options.

          And I think most will give up in the first week or two because for all for of the insistence that work must be done, little to know description of said work is given.

          Just sayin'
          People that are too scared to take action, or think a niche is "too saturated" are one of the reasons are probably not meant to be making money online.

          I just listed out a SURE fire method of making money, and you're complaining because you think the products are too saturated, or because it requires actual work?

          Think OUTSIDE the box - you don't HAVE to rank for product reviews - rank your site for 10, 20, even 100 long tail keywords and include call to actions that direct people to your reviews on specific products.

          I don't care - I"ll go into ANY niche and crush it, because I don't let things like "only 95 products" hold me back...
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          • Profile picture of the author AZJ0SH
            Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

            People that are too scared to take action, or think a niche is "too saturated" are one of the reasons are probably not meant to be making money online.

            I just listed out a SURE fire method of making money, and you're complaining because you think the products are too saturated, or because it requires actual work?

            Think OUTSIDE the box - you don't HAVE to rank for product reviews - rank your site for 10, 20, even 100 long tail keywords and include call to actions that direct people to your reviews on specific products.

            I don't care - I"ll go into ANY niche and crush it, because I don't let things like "only 95 products" hold me back...
            Any tips for a newbie who is overwhelmed at the sheer number of products on ClickBank? I don't see how I could create an authority site in a market with thousands of other authority sites in existence?
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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              Originally Posted by AZJ0SH View Post

              Any tips for a newbie who is overwhelmed at the sheer number of products on ClickBank? I don't see how I could create an authority site in a market with thousands of other authority sites in existence?
              Read my #1 post again - I'm pretty sure that was the whole point of it

              Most people create small 3-5 page sites - I suggested doing 25+ page sites....IE: a minor authority site (and you of course can build upon it)
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              • Profile picture of the author AZJ0SH
                Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

                Read my #1 post again - I'm pretty sure that was the whole point of it

                Most people create small 3-5 page sites - I suggested doing 25+ page sites....IE: a minor authority site (and you of course can build upon it)
                I re-read your first post again and have a few questions.

                Where/how do you actually promote the product? Do you add in an article with a review of the product? When do you post that review, after the 25 other articles?
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                • Profile picture of the author PCH
                  Hey Jeff,

                  I'm loving this thread and all the advice folks are sharing. You're clearly a guy who knows exactly what he's doing, and you've already shared heaps with us.

                  But I'm wondering if you saw this question by AZJOSH a page ago...

                  I was wondering the same thing myself Jeff. Would you mind sharing a few ideas on how you do this for for best results - in a layman's sentence or two.

                  And are you happy to tell us what you think is the best WP theme to use - the 'bloggy' looking one I imagine - but what's it called?


                  Thanks in advance



                  Originally Posted by AZJ0SH View Post

                  Where/how do you actually promote the product? Do you add in an article with a review of the product? When do you post that review, after the 25 other articles?
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                  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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                    Originally Posted by PCH View Post

                    Hey Jeff,

                    I'm loving this thread and all the advice folks are sharing. You're clearly a guy who knows exactly what he's doing, and you've already shared heaps with us.

                    But I'm wondering if you saw this question by AZJOSH a page ago...

                    I was wondering the same thing myself Jeff. Would you mind sharing a few ideas on how you do this for for best results - in a layman's sentence or two.

                    And are you happy to tell us what you think is the best WP theme to use - the 'bloggy' looking one I imagine - but what's it called?


                    Thanks in advance
                    Crap - I'm sorry guys, I forgot to put this thread on 'notify' and didnt check for new posts after the first week or two of my posting it LOL

                    What I did was simply a review of the product

                    I just did a review, explained what's in the members area, took SCREEN SHOTS of the members area and posted them in my review.

                    Basically - I bought the program, here's what's inside it, here's why I like it (or don't like it)

                    Sorry again for the delay on this - and sorry for the 5 month old bump lol

                    Jeff

                    Edit: As for themes, DON'T be afraid to invest in a PREMIUM theme - they make the site look PRO and they DO help with conversions

                    I use a theme called Elegant Biz - but for some reason they only sell it once every few months. Stupid if you ask me, the theme's AMAZINGLY beautiful

                    Here's the demo page for the theme:

                    http://www.amazewp.com/demo/elegantbiz/

                    Buy it if you can find it - it's awesome
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  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    Can I start a thread titled:

    "The Death Of "If I Had To Start Over..." Threads" LOL
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    I was asking if there are really only 95 results over 50 gravity. wtf. Getting a little sick and tired of the "work hard" cut and paste macro on this site. I'm sorry but less than a hundred niches with umpteen bazillion assholes competing for their spammy business is saturation.

    I am not even trying to get into any of those niches nor am I making an excuse. I was simply verifying that there are in fact only 95 options with over 50 gravity.... I'm sure you're one of the top 100 people in the WORLD vying for those clickbank dollars.
    Get sick all you want. All I am seeing from your post are reasons not to do it, but that's just me.
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Funny, another "if you had $x to spend..." thread just popped up. They really are getting tiring.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
    Search Clickbank.com for a niche that has at least 5-10 hot selling products (with gravity over 50, or 25 if it's a less popular niche
    I agree with everything in your helpful post, but in my experience you can make good money with products that have a gravity as low as 2,3 or 5. Less competition makes it easier to make money from Clickbank.

    Everybody says stick with the high gravity stuff and in the IM niche, but that is inaccurate IMHO. I love products with low gravity that's not in the IM niche.

    If I see a product with a gravity of 10, not in the IM niche? It's like finding a product with 1000 gravity
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    • Profile picture of the author AZJ0SH
      Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

      I agree with everything in your helpful post, but in my experience you can make good money with products that have a gravity as low as 2,3 or 5. Less competition makes it easier to make money from Clickbank.

      Everybody says stick with the high gravity stuff and in the IM niche, but that is inaccurate IMHO. I love products with low gravity that's not in the IM niche.

      If I see a product with a gravity of 10, not in the IM niche? It's like finding a product with 1000 gravity
      So if I happen to stumple across something in say the Travel or Sports niche which low gravity how would I determine if it's a gold mine like you said?

      Would you still follow the OP's general guide or push it more on a squeeze page?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alex Blades
        Originally Posted by AZJ0SH View Post

        So if I happen to stumple across something in say the Travel or Sports niche which low gravity how would I determine if it's a gold mine like you said?

        Would you still follow the OP's general guide or push it more on a squeeze page?
        The OP could go into more details if he wanted to, to make even easier for newbies, but everything the OP said is good, you could follow everything he said. Low gravity only means less competition.

        One way to check if there's money being made from it, you could go to Google and add the keywords in the search bar, and look to see if there's ad's. If you can go 2,3,4 pages back and still see ads, you know people are making money hand over fist in that niche.

        and there is desperate crowds searching for solutions in that niche
        This right there ^^^ is a good way to see if it's a niche with hungry buyers. Anytime there are embarrassing problems with a solution online, people will turn to the net. Here is an example. Let's say a woman has a yeast infection and is looking for some yeasty creme or something. She is going to go online and try to find it discreetly on the net first, before she brings a tube of yeasty clean to the counter in front of people.
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        • Profile picture of the author artbum
          Originally Posted by Alex Blades View Post

          The OP could go into more details if he wanted to, to make even easier for newbies, but everything the OP said is good, you could follow everything he said. Low gravity only means less competition.

          One way to check if there's money being made from it, you could go to Google and add the keywords in the search bar, and look to see if there's ad's. If you can go 2,3,4 pages back and still see ads, you know people are making money hand over fist in that niche.

          This right there ^^^ is a good way to see if it's a niche with hungry buyers. Anytime there are embarrassing problems with a solution online, people will turn to the net. Here is an example. Let's say a woman has a yeast infection and is looking for some yeasty creme or something. She is going to go online and try to find it discreetly on the net first, before she brings a tube of yeasty clean to the counter in front of people.
          LOL I think I just found my niche! clickbank product: YEASTY CREAM yeastycream.com
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          • Profile picture of the author artbum
            But seriously, this is an amazingly generous post. Jeff did not have to spend the time to write this. I only wish I was at the level where I understood most of it. I went to the keyword planner but don't know how to use it.

            Also, I am kind of down because I just spent my third $100 on POF promoting a dating-tips clickbank product with great gravity and i pretty much got nowhere. I have two landing pages; one is an info graphic giving lots of info with an optin and the other is more of a traditional squeeze page. I've done lots of work; building them myself along with making banners so I aint lazy, but they are not working.

            I also have a fitness site with a ton of content (all done by me including videos). It has a popup for a free ebook that promotes a different clickbank product (fitness) but I don't get much traffic.

            I wonder if you can check out my site and the other dating-tip LPs, Jeff and maybe you tell me if I can use the above tips to convert my site to what you're talking about?
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      • Profile picture of the author butters
        Originally Posted by AZJ0SH View Post

        So if I happen to stumple across something in say the Travel or Sports niche which low gravity how would I determine if it's a gold mine like you said?

        Would you still follow the OP's general guide or push it more on a squeeze page?
        You know when something is a goldmine when you UNDERSTAND the market you are in, do your research into the market before picking the products. Once you have researched your market extensively then you will know what products are good and which are bad. Spend a week or two in the beginning doing this, trust me, it will save you a lot of time and make you a lot more money later on.
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        • Profile picture of the author AZJ0SH
          Originally Posted by butters View Post

          You know when something is a goldmine when you UNDERSTAND the market you are in, do your research into the market before picking the products. Once you have researched your market extensively then you will know what products are good and which are bad. Spend a week or two in the beginning doing this, trust me, it will save you a lot of time and make you a lot more money later on.
          So would you suggest going after something I am familiar with already? I am really into travel, anything outdoor related, camping, etc but there is limited amount of products in this field besides some Disneyworld ones.
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          • Profile picture of the author butters
            Originally Posted by AZJ0SH View Post

            So would you suggest going after something I am familiar with already? I am really into travel, anything outdoor related, camping, etc but there is limited amount of products in this field besides some Disneyworld ones.
            Now that question is a debate in itself, personally for me, I have to be interested in the subject. Thats different from being familiar, if I got an interest in it (Not a passion) I find it easier to study and write about because I want to learn it. For example, right now I am really into understanding the underlying biochemical reactions which relate to weight loss, not the same old thing every other weight loss site has but the actual science. I could read and write on that subject all day, it's not a passion but it interests me, ask me to write about weddings on the other hand, well, I'd rather jump! You got to find out what is best for you. I know some will pay people to write their content and they just enjoy the marketing (Perfectly fine and it works), you just got to figure your method out.
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  • Profile picture of the author gluckspilz
    Hrm, I just went through a few posts here and there and I got to say some people are just not right for internet marketing. Clickbank being saturation? Cmon guys, that's just like saying Gyms are saturated or selling Cars are saturated. No need to explain here really.

    Also, a lot of questions being ask here can simply be found with a quick Youtube search such as "how to pick a niche". The fact is making money on the internet is actually very simple in terms of the process. But people mistake that for it being EASY.

    NO IT IS NOT EASY!

    Losing weight is simple right? Eat healthy, exercise, do some weights maybe. Do this consistently and you will see results! But why are the majority of people who join gyms still overweight? Cause it IS NOT EASY!

    Just my rant on this topic. Also, I'm sure if people were to share how much they had to spend or even lost in order to get their business up and running, others will find that their own situation isn't too bad. I personally had to borrow and load a total of $27K before I made my first $1000 back. Did I give up? OF COURSE NOT!

    Yeah, I'm getting a bit off topic but yeah, don't give up and work hard is all I can say
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    I'm not railing against the forum in general.
    Lucid, you crack me up.

    You've been a member here for less than a month and you've already managed to offend every single Warrior Forum member, all 700,000+ of us, in just one single thread! You must now own the record!

    Your quotes from this one thread just crack me up!

    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    Seriously, click bank products are finding a girlfriend, getting a bigger penis, and making money on investments. Its spammy crap.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    Who on earth would buy any of these clickbank things, my god? This looks like crap that goes straight to the spam folder in my email programs.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    Even if any of you are successful which I highly doubt, since no one will relinquish a url, because as wonderful as competition is, NO one can be trusted with their precious urls (LOL), you're surviving on predatory tactics, preying on stupid people.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    I realize none of you owe anyone any information, but some of the people here are staggeringly, mind boggling full of it. I don't even care.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    Every once in a while, someone says something useful. I imagine they are immediately located, and executed.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    This is probably the first really valuable post I've seen.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    Getting a little sick and tired of the "work hard" cut and paste macro on this site.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    I can't imagine what the poor people who come to this site with no idea how to do anything must feel stumbling around here. I guess they just buy a bunch of useless, retarded WSOs and then eventually fail at setting up their own site, so they write a useless retarded WSO.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    Much like PTs a lot of IM'ers are all hat, no cattle. There's no money in the cure, only money in taking money promising the cure.
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    . . . when every single person in here cut and pastes "just work hard, results will come" but offer no real insight . . .
    Originally Posted by lucidzfl View Post

    But this whole site and everything it links to and appears to stand for is snake oil and snake oil salesmen. Its nuts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    Happy Friday? Lol
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  • Profile picture of the author dpeench2
    When I pick keywords for someone to write an article about, are they a keyword, or a key phrase? How can someone write an article about just one keyword? I'm a little confused about that. For example, if the niche is strength training, how is someone going to write an article with the keyword weight? or arm?
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    • Profile picture of the author DConny1
      Bump for amazing thread. I'm still a newb and trying to understand it all but I can tell the original post is one of the most informative threads I've seen on this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author PCH
      Keyword means a word or phrase that you type into the search field in google.

      John Deere Tractors .... is a keyword
      Lemons ... is a keyword
      Lose Weight Without Spending Hours at The Gym ... is a (long tail) keyword.

      So you can see that the word 'keyword' just means that thing that you type into the search field (more or less, anyway).

      It's a bit deceiving because from the word 'keyword', you might think it just has one word in it. But that's not so.

      All clear now?




      Originally Posted by dpeench2 View Post

      When I pick keywords for someone to write an article about, are they a keyword, or a key phrase? How can someone write an article about just one keyword? I'm a little confused about that. For example, if the niche is strength training, how is someone going to write an article with the keyword weight? or arm?
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  • Profile picture of the author Sarevok
    A lot of newbies are always asking how to get money... how to strike it rich...

    But then they just sit around hoping for a golden filet to jump into their boat.



    You want my advice?

    All you have to do is listen to Britney Spears.

    Work Bitch.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I went to the keyword planner but don't know how to use it.
      Then it's time to learn it. This is what stops many new marketers from following sound advice that WORKS - they stop at the first hurdle and wait for something to happen. Don't do that.

      Google search - "how to use google keyword planner" - (no quotes necessary) - and you will find full info on how to use this tool. You might use the search on this forum, too, as I recall reading instructions about it here not long ago.

      There is nothing in this method that you can't do - follow the steps and look up and learn the terms/methods you don't know. By the time you get to the end of the instructions - you'll know a lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author brutecky
    If I had $50,000 and was going to start over I would ... ask people on the WF what I should do with my $50,000 as Im starting over .. while blowing the $50,000

    But yea your right .. everyone is looking for that 'secret' .. here is the secret .. there is NO secret!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXcohOB43q0
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  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    I would not build a web site. I would start with building a mailing list.

    While a web site is nice, a mailing list is the only guarantee for consistent income.
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  • Profile picture of the author JRJWrites
    Hi there,

    Thanks a bunch -- just one Q.

    Are you using ONLY SEO traffic?
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Shaw
    Finally someone like me who gives away the keys without asking for anything! Self branding.... maybe? But big love to anyone who gives information away for free.

    Great post and will look out for others from you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by artbum View Post

      LOL I think I just found my niche! clickbank product: YEASTY CREAM yeastycream.com
      Hey - it could work! LOL

      Originally Posted by artbum View Post

      But seriously, this is an amazingly generous post. Jeff did not have to spend the time to write this. I only wish I was at the level where I understood most of it. I went to the keyword planner but don't know how to use it.

      Also, I am kind of down because I just spent my third $100 on POF promoting a dating-tips clickbank product with great gravity and i pretty much got nowhere. I have two landing pages; one is an info graphic giving lots of info with an optin and the other is more of a traditional squeeze page. I've done lots of work; building them myself along with making banners so I aint lazy, but they are not working.

      I also have a fitness site with a ton of content (all done by me including videos). It has a popup for a free ebook that promotes a different clickbank product (fitness) but I don't get much traffic.

      I wonder if you can check out my site and the other dating-tip LPs, Jeff and maybe you tell me if I can use the above tips to convert my site to what you're talking about?
      Well, i'm glad you found my post useful but I'm not in the business of giving out free website reviews :-P - POF Is tough btw, you have to optimize and test and optimize and test and optimize and test some more - then if you're lucky you'll break even THENy you can start profiting

      Originally Posted by dpeench2 View Post

      When I pick keywords for someone to write an article about, are they a keyword, or a key phrase? How can someone write an article about just one keyword? I'm a little confused about that. For example, if the niche is strength training, how is someone going to write an article with the keyword weight? or arm?
      LOL - Don't read into it too literally, keyword/keyphrase=same thing
      Originally Posted by DConny1 View Post

      Bump for amazing thread. I'm still a newb and trying to understand it all but I can tell the original post is one of the most informative threads I've seen on this forum.
      Originally Posted by JRJWrites View Post

      Hi there,

      Thanks a bunch -- just one Q.

      Are you using ONLY SEO traffic?
      Yup - SEO and Social generated BY my seo and excellent shareable content

      Originally Posted by Danny Shaw View Post

      Finally someone like me who gives away the keys without asking for anything! Self branding.... maybe? But big love to anyone who gives information away for free.

      Great post and will look out for others from you.
      Thanks man - much appreciated! :-) I've been making a ton of money from a new site I built using this method and was in a giving/generous mood when I wrote this post
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  • Profile picture of the author joseph7384
    I have two questions if you can please elaborate a bit on.

    1. If you had to start over, what would you do?
    2. What would you do with $50?

    Just kidding, nice post but unfortunately 98% who read it will do nothing at all with the info that you provided.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by joseph7384 View Post

      I have two questions if you can please elaborate a bit on.

      1. If you had to start over, what would you do?
      2. What would you do with $50?

      Just kidding, nice post but unfortunately 98% who read it will do nothing at all with the info that you provided.
      LOL - you had me for a second, yah 98% won't - so i'm not worried about saturation (not that I would be anyways)
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  • Profile picture of the author satrap
    This is a great thread. Thanks for that.

    However, let's be clear here...

    Finding a product, writing some reviews and setting up the whole site is the easy part.

    Getting traffic is the hard part.

    I just don't want the newbies to get the wrong idea.

    There are always tons of threads like this, which is great. But most people leave out the part about traffic.

    It's not as easy as setting up a site and 2 months later you are making $250 a day. Traffic aside, it depends on niche as well.

    Sure, anyone cane pick a product, write some reviews and put up a site these days, but if you have no traffic, you ain't making money, so...

    Again, the thread is great for those who want to take action. But please don't think just because he made that much money that fast, that you are going to have the exact same situation.

    It may take you months or even years to start making any money, if you can get that traffic.

    But hey, if you want to make money online, you have got to start somewhere and you have to work. This could be a good blue print for you to get going.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by satrap View Post

      This is a great thread. Thanks for that.

      However, let's be clear here...

      Finding a product, writing some reviews and setting up the whole site is the easy part.

      Getting traffic is the hard part.

      I just don't want the newbies to get the wrong idea.

      There are always tons of threads like this, which is great. But most people leave out the part about traffic.

      It's not as easy as setting up a site and 2 months later you are making $250 a day. Traffic aside, it depends on niche as well.

      Sure, anyone cane pick a product, write some reviews and put up a site these days, but if you have no traffic, you ain't making money, so...

      Again, the thread is great for those who want to take action. But please don't think just because he made that much money that fast, that you are going to have the exact same situation.

      It may take you months or even years to start making any money, if you can get that traffic.

      But hey, if you want to make money online, you have got to start somewhere and you have to work. This could be a good blue print for you to get going.
      This is very true - once some people actually start doing this and post here - I've got NO problem sharing some of my backlinking strategies that are working - but really - when you DO build up a larger site - you WILL find you're ranking better and better for your keywords.

      One more thing - internal linking is key too, so link within your site to other posts/pages on your site. Just look at any wikipedia page and see how they do it for motivation
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  • Profile picture of the author carlamae
    The sad part is most people don't give up the key ingredients and that leads to endless time, money and frustration for the newbie...naturally, that is done to ultimately sell them another shiny object. The simple fact is this...once you decide what you want to sell, just build relationships and the rest will take care of itself...seriously! Take action everyday and talk to 10 new people everyday...everyday! The sales will come!
    This isn't as tough as they want you to think it is!
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    • Profile picture of the author brutecky
      Originally Posted by carlamae View Post

      The sad part is most people don't give up the key ingredients and that leads to endless time, money and frustration for the newbie...naturally, that is done to ultimately sell them another shiny object.
      Actually your mistaken here. I make my entire living 100% online and have for years. I have worked for dozens of people who make there entire living online as well. Its not that they dont want to give up the 'key ingredient' its that there IS NONE. Literally everything anyone needs to know has been stated over and over and over again right here on the WF. The problem is not that people dont want to tell (because they do every day) its that people dont want to accept what there being told.
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  • Profile picture of the author zamzung
    In my opinion, the reason why people start those threads is because they want to find an easy way to make money online...

    That's why they will say that your advices - which are actually very good - require too much work and therefore they are not interesting to those people...

    And they will again lose their time by starting those funny threads while the real answer to "how to make money online" (even for free) is right in front of their noses... And it was there for quite a long time...
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  • Profile picture of the author Raelyn Tan
    An impressive post. Will try it out! Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author donhx
    Good post with useful information, eljeffe77.
    However, what I get tired of is all the people who post and say, "I'm tired of all the..."

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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      Originally Posted by donhx View Post

      Good post with useful information, eljeffe77.
      However, what I get tired of is all the people who post and say, "I'm tired of all the..."

      Well im sorry my post bothered you then. Btw, Can you share a few examples of these posts please?
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      • Profile picture of the author donhx
        Originally Posted by eljeffe77 View Post

        Well im sorry my post bothered you then. Btw, Can you share a few examples of these posts please?
        I commended you on an exceptionally good post.

        Guess I should have put a on my second sentence. Seriously... that was an effort at humor. I guess I better stay out of comedy. Sorry you took offense, eljeffe77. My apologies.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by donhx View Post

          Good post with useful information, eljeffe77.
          However, what I get tired of is all the people who post and say, "I'm tired of all the..."

          I'd gladly trade those for all the "how can I cheat [site's] TOS and get away with it" threads...

          If people spent less time looking for magic beans and secret loopholes, and more time working, they wouldn't need either.
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          • Profile picture of the author donhx
            You know there is a magic bean, John. Here it is: "There is no magic bean. Almost all systems work if you work hard and smart." Think I can turn that into a WSO???
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    The Main IM discussion is noob-land.


    I expect some thread to start off like that

    and I guess no one really invest in themselves to get a WSO or join War Room.
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  • Profile picture of the author absolutelee
    This is a great thread, minus the apparent controversy. Actually, making money online is not nearly as hard as people make it out to be. You have to focus, though. And doing something like this is a thing worth focusing on.
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  • Profile picture of the author okram
    Nice post Eljefe77, very useful information.

    I was just curious for this site particularly, how much did it cost everything to set up?
    Correct me if I am mistaking, this is just my estimation. So there are domain and hosting (I'm guessing around 100$ for a year, at least that's average). Then, Article writing services (Let's say 20 articles, 5,5$ each, that's 110$).

    So were there any other costs?

    Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brandon A
      You keep hinting at sharing your linking strategies.... do you mind sharing a few tips? I'm always looking for new ideas Great post!
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      • Profile picture of the author FredJones
        True, the blueprint is great. True, you start ranking more easily with a larger and more focused site. And yeah, thanks a lot for the generous share and your time and efforts.

        But the core fact remains is that you need traffic to sell enough to make $250 per day (unless it is recurring billing, but given that you are less than 2 months into it, most of it would not be recurring billing just yet). And you do mention backlinking for traffic. And here's where the confusion begins in the Penguin era!

        Honestly, if people knew how to get endless traffic (outside PPC/PPM etc), I am sure a lot would be motivated anyway to figure the rest out, such as, how to pick a product, how to pick multiple products, how to get a lot of content written, with respect to what competition etc. Again, it is true that the competition is also a factor of determining how much traffic you get, so there's no single pin-pointed answer possible I guess...
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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        Originally Posted by donhx View Post

        I commended you on an exceptionally good post.

        Guess I should have put a on my second sentence. Seriously... that was an effort at humor. I guess I better stay out of comedy. Sorry you took offense, eljeffe77. My apologies.
        Sorry man, just throwing some sarcasm back at you - thanks for your kind words :-)

        Originally Posted by okram View Post

        Nice post Eljefe77, very useful information.

        I was just curious for this site particularly, how much did it cost everything to set up?
        Correct me if I am mistaking, this is just my estimation. So there are domain and hosting (I'm guessing around 100$ for a year, at least that's average). Then, Article writing services (Let's say 20 articles, 5,5$ each, that's 110$).

        So were there any other costs?

        Thanks.
        Well, I did spend alot on content - I'd GUESS $300 - then I used some high PR links from BHW for rankings. Keep in mind, I built a LARGE site with 50+ articles in hopes that google would see my site as an authority site, and rank me easier. It did, and with the high PR links I started throwing at it - it continues to. Granted, the links I did are probably NOT going to be safe forever - but they did move me to page 1 rather quickly for most product and author names - and my site's still ranking for most of those :-)

        Originally Posted by ptiworld View Post

        You keep hinting at sharing your linking strategies.... do you mind sharing a few tips? I'm always looking for new ideas Great post!
        Thanks for your kind words - in all honesty, I went the blackhat method for ranking this site - just because I wanted to see how quickly I could do it :-)

        I spent EXTRA time optimizing my site for speed, and even purchased a nice looking high quality 'blog'ish' looking theme to give it a professional look for my readers.

        If you want to do something that's free, but a bit more time consuming for YOU

        Something ELSE that works insanely well for rankings is this:
        .Edu and .Gov Link Building - The Advanced Guide to Link Building

        Check THIS out - it's essentially what I do, and saves me from having to spend 15 minutes writing it out :-)

        Amazing way to get Pr 3-6 links pretty quickly and with a little bit of work
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  • Profile picture of the author shadeofinfo
    I think that people ask the same questions over and over again because they're just plain lazy. I wrote a response to two different posts two days in a row. One person asked a question one day and then someone asked the exact same question another day.

    Has to be laziness. The search function is there not just for show.

    Thanks for sharing or starting this post eljeffe77 because it is getting tiring seeing the same questions over and over again ... and I haven't even been here for that long and I'm noticing it.
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  • Profile picture of the author dpeench2
    There's nothing wrong with someone asking what would you do with $100 etc. Everyone hasn't seen those posts, so maybe someone else has a good idea to share. Also this is a post that will cost a few hundred dollars, which has nothing to do with what you are tired of seeing. People ask because they literally have very little money or nothing at all and are looking for ideas. If you would like to share with those people how it can be done with little or no money, then do it. If not then who cares if someone asks a question that's been asked before. They don't owe you or anyone else anything, unless you made a contract with them. So who really cares? I guarantee that there are different answers on each one of those same posts. That's why people ask, to get different ideas
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Lenney
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    If anybody else has any un-answered questions about this - post em here and i'll do my best to respond. Soooo sorry again for forgetting about this post LOL

    Jeff Lenney
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  • Profile picture of the author unstabletable
    Nice info man, will definitely put this to use soon. Would like to know more about your backlinking methods. Thanks.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlo_sim
    good stuff! I never really focused my efforts on
    clickbank but this method can also be used in other
    affiliate programs such as amazon

    Another way to make money without shelling out money
    is to look for a problem in forums and solve it. Let's
    say someone is in need of a writing service, look for a good
    writer and get a commission from that service.

    Always be sincere and give value. Learn how to negotiate.
    Always create a win-win situation with your clients and partners
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