Feedback for Product Ideas

by kingde
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Hello Warriors,

I'm trying to create some valuable content for aspiring Entrepreneurs and people who feel stuck but I'm not too interested in what people people talk about in IM which is technical tricks to push people through a sales funnel and kind of leave them hanging on their own... Too many people seem to be competing at the same level and overall it just seems like a demanding job and not much of a business... so.. I thought I could try to help some people who are curious about some kinds of options to that.. but I'm not really sure where to start the conversation and who is out there that could relate..

Anyway, I have some ideas for products and presentations for video etc but am not sure which ones to focus on.. Here is the kinds of things I could put together..

1. I have an idea called bootstrap marketing or 'How to start with nothing'. I've found some great resources to allow someone who does not want to pay up front for a lot of services and software, but could put together a nice designed looking blog/website with tracking/payment option/private place to deliver content/content/presentation/video development all for free (except for a domain)

2. Something very similar to (1) but more advanced and based on Wordpress (still potentially free or low cost).. Setting up a more robust system with your own free membership plugin and more split testing options and better presentation and appearance.

The main ideas of those is to learn the skills of running a full platform with full tracking and testing, even video tracking for free.

3. Of course all this still leaves people stuck with the main problems. (Need traffic, need something to sell, need to learn to know what to write/say, How to create value). I'm not interested in explaining traffic since that's all everyone talks about.. I have some insights on the product/value creation but talking about finding offers and mastering conversion is more of the (tech job) I mentioned earlier.. I don't see leverage in it except to learn the ropes so you can start providing value in some way. How many people want to learn to package their own unique value? (It can be a bit tough for some people)

4. Break down business building concepts to take someone from a ground level conceptually to then be able to start to understand and implement the more refined ideas of super coaches like Jay Abraham and Rich Schefren. I think those guys have awesome info, but I feel that it is somehow still not accessible to the average person with a career perspective. It can take some work to see the relation from employee to the inner mindset of entrepreneurship and business building.. I know how to connect the ground level people to connect to a business thinking person.. but who really wants this kind of thing?

5. Explaining the concepts of joint ventures from the ground up. I spend a few years breaking down these ideas for myself so I could more casually connect the dots. I know how hard it has been for me going from employee mindset to an entrepreneur mindset, and I have taken massive notes and created lists of ideas to remind myself how I got from one point to the other.

Being more of a researcher and 'engineer of marketing' I haven't evolved quick enough to find my following yet. Putting all these ideas together now is a part of my entrance into the market, but all I want right now is some feedback, ideas or comments.

I think probably a majority of people here are just looking for the minimal way to connect A to B to squeeze some money out of a mechanical approach to 'marketing'.. so I understand if all this does not click for anyone.

I went through all that too and realized I couldn't really do it, since it's a bit of an illusion and if you aren't using a good strategy, you are somewhat locking yourself into a tactical, mechanical 'job'. And your relationship with money is kind of blinding you to the fact that just because you can do it yourself, it's a business.. well it's not really a business if you can't think your way out of a change in the industry.. if you are too reliant on 'systems staying the same' then you can quickly be made irrelevant. Is it worth the quick bucks to stay in that situation? I know the love of tech and systems.. I've been a tech person all my life.. but I do see more excitement in strategically directing something larger and with massive leverage. Even with a little bit of that kind of insight, you could modify slightly what you're doing so you don't have to be locked into to the "need traffic/need offers/need conversions" hamster wheel.

I hope some of this is helpful to someone.. Looking forward to some useful advice or feedback!
#feedback #ideas #product
  • Profile picture of the author lotsofsnow
    those are some great ideas...

    Why don't you start with the first one? Looks good to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author kingde
      Originally Posted by hpgoodboy View Post

      those are some great ideas...

      Why don't you start with the first one? Looks good to me.
      Thanks, I've been kind of working on that first one , but I had a nagging feeling that people aren't really stuck on the 'building a platform' and more are just thinking.. traffic/offers, money making system..

      What I would describe would be good for someone who wants to start explaining how they do something and could kind of get the skills to package and sell what they know without getting overwhelmed in tech problems or putting money into it before they know they want to follow through with it.

      Maybe it would be interesting for people to just know about the resources, but unless it's providing a needed result, I don't know if it will really help anyone I can reach or contact.

      It's one thing to finish a nice website with all kinds of good functionality (as a marketing platform) and it's another to know what to do with it.. that's why I started this thread to see who's out there and what they need.
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    • Profile picture of the author angelosbg
      Personally I was inspired by your mindset. Even though I unconsciously may be dragged towards magic pills, in the very end I always recognise that you can no way progress unless you learn the fundmentals. But I guess this is just me and I agree that most people are looking for a quick way to make some money. To keep it brief, I would be interested in your ideas as I am in a beginning stage and I guess "products" like that are the ones I need.
      Also, the fact that the content of Jay Abraham and Rich Schefren isn't known to many people means that you can easily find a niche.

      It seems that your main problem will be how to approach the masses by making your content more simplified.
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      • Profile picture of the author kingde
        Originally Posted by angelosbg View Post

        It seems that your main problem will be how to approach the masses by making your content more simplified.
        Thanks for your feedback.

        I think I know how to simplify the information, the things I haven't figured out is how to get regular feedback about what people's problems and challenges are.

        I guess this thread is my starting point to doing that.

        To me, most of the threads here are just inquiries into tactics which to me soak up a lot of time and don't get to the core of the issues.

        I feel I could save a lot of time for people by showing them more than one way to look at any tactic or technique...

        So much of IM I only see as "painting one's self into a corner" and being stuck doing that same technique indefinitely if they become dependent on the income it gives them.

        Without some real strategic approaches based on our own presence and unique abilities, then we can easily be marginalized, and made irrelevant in the next big change in how Internet companies work.

        To me the thing that can't be taken away from us is the relationship we build with people. Not just the banter on your email list, but singling out your best customers and specifically helping them to get where they want to go faster and easier.

        So, for any of these topics I want to help people with... I need to find a starting point to learn where someone is stuck or what mindset seems to be holding them back.

        If people are truly happy with the typical IM techniques then that's great, but I really see most of those approaches as a job, even if you manage their execution by outsourcing.

        To me the best place to strive to, is to constantly think how you can create a natural interest and attraction to yourself or your company by offering something compelling and worth talking about to regular people (not just insiders).

        The problem with actually doing this, at least in my observation, is going through the pains of the unknown, feeling uncomfortable and inept in a new skill or way of communicating, and not knowing exactly how long it will take to get there.

        It seems a lot of people love the tactical kind of IM because it seems to be something that can be done somewhat predictably and somewhat quickly (even if they haven't exactly solved how to do that).

        So, especially for people who are somewhat technical or Internet knowledgeable, they can pretty much stay who they are and not go through the kinds of growing pains and transformations that many entrepreneurs need to do. (unless they start to really succeed with coaching or big launches, then they are in the business of IM tactics and have to transform)

        So for me, finding that starting point for people to begin the conversation is basically saying:
        • It depends on you
        • It takes some time
        • It will feel uncomfortable
        • You will need to change
        • You have to deal with people

        ...which can be a turn off to the idealized behind the scenes IMer who can mechanize everything while in their underwear.

        I went through that dream of mechanization but every way I looked at it it just seems like I had to do a lot of grunt work and things I wasn't really proud of.

        So that's when I took a deep mental dive into Rich Schefren's and Jay Abraham's material to try to understand how business can be build almost completely strategically.

        Well, I think the biggest secret to most of it, is being consistent.

        Any kind of marketing success seems to rely on consistent, regular, non stop communication which needs to happen to break into people's awareness in the market.

        Between that and positioning.. those seem to be the keystone to everything else.

        There is a powerful link between the ideas of a carefully selected (or created) 'niche' or 'new category', positioning, and a succinct Unique Selling Proposition which can do 50% of the work that people are scrambling to do with articles, backlinks and blasting out ads on all kinds of platforms.

        Remember that 'where they see your message' is positioning you as 'that' (related to the platform they first saw you) kind of marketer or company. So word of mouth is the 'ultimate' way to learn about you.

        So overall, I think while people are learning Internet 'promotional' tactics, they could also consistently 'strive' to inch towards the higher strategic goal.

        Without that insight of what the higher strategic goal could be, then they could just as well settle into a daily mechanical routine which is a job with a salary cap for the most part.

        So 'striving' is a key concept.. and the illustration in the book "The Slight Edge" seems to illustrate what's needed. Consistently strive towards the higher outcome, even if you can't quite see how it's done.

        Example of the image

        It's like we can't see how to get there unless we stretch ourself through the uncomfortable inept feeling for a bit, then suddenly we can see the next level.

        So staying with systematic tactics that match who we are now, can sometimes lock us into it indefinitely if we don't plan on transforming out of it.
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        • Profile picture of the author alamest
          This image is very inspiring, this actual industry image in internet marketing.. I liked it very much..

          Did you made this image yourself..

          Originally Posted by kingde View Post

          Thanks for your feedback.

          I think I know how to simplify the information, the things I haven't figured out is how to get regular feedback about what people's problems and challenges are.

          I guess this thread is my starting point to doing that.

          To me, most of the threads here are just inquiries into tactics which to me soak up a lot of time and don't get to the core of the issues.

          I feel I could save a lot of time for people by showing them more than one way to look at any tactic or technique...

          So much of IM I only see as "painting one's self into a corner" and being stuck doing that same technique indefinitely if they become dependent on the income it gives them.

          Without some real strategic approaches based on our own presence and unique abilities, then we can easily be marginalized, and made irrelevant in the next big change in how Internet companies work.

          To me the thing that can't be taken away from us is the relationship we build with people. Not just the banter on your email list, but singling out your best customers and specifically helping them to get where they want to go faster and easier.

          So, for any of these topics I want to help people with... I need to find a starting point to learn where someone is stuck or what mindset seems to be holding them back.

          If people are truly happy with the typical IM techniques then that's great, but I really see most of those approaches as a job, even if you manage their execution by outsourcing.

          To me the best place to strive to, is to constantly think how you can create a natural interest and attraction to yourself or your company by offering something compelling and worth talking about to regular people (not just insiders).

          The problem with actually doing this, at least in my observation, is going through the pains of the unknown, feeling uncomfortable and inept in a new skill or way of communicating, and not knowing exactly how long it will take to get there.

          It seems a lot of people love the tactical kind of IM because it seems to be something that can be done somewhat predictably and somewhat quickly (even if they haven't exactly solved how to do that).

          So, especially for people who are somewhat technical or Internet knowledgeable, they can pretty much stay who they are and not go through the kinds of growing pains and transformations that many entrepreneurs need to do. (unless they start to really succeed with coaching or big launches, then they are in the business of IM tactics and have to transform)

          So for me, finding that starting point for people to begin the conversation is basically saying:
          • It depends on you
          • It takes some time
          • It will feel uncomfortable
          • You will need to change
          • You have to deal with people

          ...which can be a turn off to the idealized behind the scenes IMer who can mechanize everything while in their underwear.

          I went through that dream of mechanization but every way I looked at it it just seems like I had to do a lot of grunt work and things I wasn't really proud of.

          So that's when I took a deep mental dive into Rich Schefren's and Jay Abraham's material to try to understand how business can be build almost completely strategically.

          Well, I think the biggest secret to most of it, is being consistent.

          Any kind of marketing success seems to rely on consistent, regular, non stop communication which needs to happen to break into people's awareness in the market.

          Between that and positioning.. those seem to be the keystone to everything else.

          There is a powerful link between the ideas of a carefully selected (or created) 'niche' or 'new category', positioning, and a succinct Unique Selling Proposition which can do 50% of the work that people are scrambling to do with articles, backlinks and blasting out ads on all kinds of platforms.

          Remember that 'where they see your message' is positioning you as 'that' (related to the platform they first saw you) kind of marketer or company. So word of mouth is the 'ultimate' way to learn about you.

          So overall, I think while people are learning Internet 'promotional' tactics, they could also consistently 'strive' to inch towards the higher strategic goal.

          Without that insight of what the higher strategic goal could be, then they could just as well settle into a daily mechanical routine which is a job with a salary cap for the most part.

          So 'striving' is a key concept.. and the illustration in the book "The Slight Edge" seems to illustrate what's needed. Consistently strive towards the higher outcome, even if you can't quite see how it's done.

          Example of the image

          It's like we can't see how to get there unless we stretch ourself through the uncomfortable inept feeling for a bit, then suddenly we can see the next level.

          So staying with systematic tactics that match who we are now, can sometimes lock us into it indefinitely if we don't plan on transforming out of it.
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          • Profile picture of the author kingde
            Originally Posted by alamest View Post

            This image is very inspiring, this actual industry image in internet marketing.. I liked it very much..

            Did you made this image yourself..
            No, it's taken from the book/website "The Slight Edge" by Jeff Olson
            http://slightedge.org/

            It focuses on a subtle concept of slowly 'leaning' into what seems like the more difficult direction - a little bit each day, and after many days, you'll be closer to what you want than if you just said 'screw it' it's too hard.. and even move towards the negative direction

            In that particular graphic above he also shows how things that seem easy at first, end up being hard later and things that seem hard first can be much easier later

            For me, the hard thing I'm leaning towards is getting attention and establishing relationships with people who have larger businesses or networks and getting them to trust me enough to talk about their business problems so I can show them things they can do with their business they might not have thought of.

            In the mean time, I'm just plowing ahead and trying to put together a product even though there's a lot I don't exactly know.. but that 'difficult' process of just doing it even when you don't know what you're doing ends up creating a momentum which ends up being easier than trying to figuring it all out by myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author kingde
    Instead of overthinking this, I think I'll just put together an ebook on the first one (#1) and then get some feedback on it ;-) Hopefully the warriors here won't mind taking a look in exchange for some feedback

    Your comments helped!
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Tandan
    Hey David,
    With the breadth and extent of your knowledge, seems to me like you could put a coaching program together. By all means proceed with an ebook but I believe you could take it further.
    You've got a strong business sense and you could attract a certain crowd into a program that introduces IM in a strategic and professional manner.
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  • Profile picture of the author jbsmith
    Sure - there is definitely demand for #1, key will be to prove your ideas, concepts and training get results though. Many, many, many people give information on how to make things look nice, how to put together strategy X, Y or Z in IM, and today they don't do overly well UNTIL they can prove their technique works.

    So, give some thought to adopting a dozen really serious starters that want to work through the program with you and try to get a few to actually execute and get results - then you have a pretty kick-butt selling proposition.

    Jeff
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill Hugall
    It sounds and looks like a noble goal for sure. Why not jump feet first into that "trap" of a funnel and create one yourself.

    All your ideas are spot on and make perfect sense, but the problem is that if you are not setting up a proper sales funnel you will be teaching it for peanuts, and working very hard to do so. Most often a noble goal turns sour because the person with the goal ends up giving too much of themselves and not getting paid for it.

    I hear people say all the time that this IM business is tricky or this or that and that is why they don't want any part of it, but this seems so flawed to me. Create yourself a soapbox and scream your solution to the masses. From your posts alone I can tell you would have a great following and be a great leader, but trying to reinvent the wheel.... Don't do it man.

    Create your brand and make it stand for something. You will also need to understand the actual mindset of the buyers you are after. I know this because I was one of those buyers looking for a free solution and never put in the effort.

    I am really looking forward to what you have coming up.
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    • Profile picture of the author kingde
      Originally Posted by Bill Hugall View Post

      ...but trying to reinvent the wheel.... Don't do it man.

      Create your brand and make it stand for something. You will also need to understand the actual mindset of the buyers you are after. I know this because I was one of those buyers looking for a free solution and never put in the effort.

      I am really looking forward to what you have coming up.

      Thanks...

      I see what you're saying but I didn't get the part about reinventing the wheel.

      Are you saying that I sound like I wanted to create an alternative to IM?

      I guess I throw in a few comments here and there which could sound like I'm dismayed with IM... I am only in the respect that some people are probably doing what I did for years (spending money and time on something which seems to have a lot of potential but not being able to 'get' it)

      If I can save a few people from spinning their gears like I did, then I do see some benefit in creating a little controversy to snap people out of it.

      Some people are succeeding but due to the nature of what they're doing, (low barrier to entry), they can't say much about exactly WHAT!

      And selling people what they think they want.. makes money, but doesn't necessarily help them to their goals...

      So I'll work alongside IM and complement it because I know it's still a huge opportunity to get exposure, but using that low cost exposure to maximum advantage seems to be a huge piece missing from the equation.

      Assuming it will be there indefinitely seems to be a trap... let's launch something out of it while we have the chance so we won't regret anything when the doors start closing and the big players take over.
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  • Profile picture of the author JJPerkins
    Originally Posted by BlindRabbit View Post

    If you can't describe a product in a sentence then you've lost me. If you keep me that long and then can't go on to describe it in detail in terms of strengths and weaknesses in a paragraph, you have also lost me. And I'm a guy with no money!
    And yet I read the whole thing and got more interested as it went on.
    I think you may find that your thinking resonates more with those who already understand the need the need to move out of short term tactics, and in to long term strategies.

    Are there enough of those who would buy into following your program, who knows?
    Maybe just give it a try and see, there's nothing encourages followers like success after all.
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    • Profile picture of the author kingde
      Originally Posted by JJPerkins View Post

      And yet I read the whole thing and got more interested as it went on.
      I think you may find that your thinking resonates more with those who already understand the need the need to move out of short term tactics, and in to long term strategies.

      Are there enough of those who would buy into following your program, who knows?
      Maybe just give it a try and see, there's nothing encourages followers like success after all.
      I feel my best customer would be someone who tried to learn the Abraham/Shefren stuff and couldn't totally relate to the material but WANTS TO.

      I dug into it for enough time (including copywriting classics) but when the ideas become internalized and at gut level, then it's just as much of a challenge to remember and explain it.

      Of course many people say, just do it and prove it.. I know that..
      But I've been going on this belief that there's a 'flow' area for me where I can creatively and effectively build something which has a natural attraction power and is worth talking about.

      Instead of just trying to create anything that's sellable, I took a chance financially and keep digging into what is the most compelling thing I can come up with.

      So I kind of hit that point, but now I have the same issues as everyone else, getting conversations, getting momentum, getting awareness, getting useful feedback, and getting someone to say.. "hey, can you help me? What you're doing matches what I need and I'll happily pay if you can help me solve this problem etc..."
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  • Profile picture of the author Chad Eljisr
    You've got a lot of interesting ideas, but as some have suggested, begin with one and "just do it". The first idea is good because it's easy to understand, and you can target several niches, not just the IM niche. There are a ton of people that would like to know how to start up their business with almost no resources - it's a good hook
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    • Profile picture of the author Eric Lovelace
      Those are all really great ideas, but I'd focus on looking around on forums, and finding very prominent and problems that are being addressed alot and make a product around that.

      If people are looking for the solution to traffic. Find a way to get massive traffic, and it goes on and on.

      You may think, holy cow there are alot of products on traffic, but everyone has their own way and method of going about things, so no one product may be an exact replica of another.

      Hope that helps

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      • Profile picture of the author kingde
        Originally Posted by Eric Lovelace View Post

        Those are all really great ideas, but I'd focus on looking around on forums, and finding very prominent and problems that are being addressed alot and make a product around that.

        If people are looking for the solution to traffic. Find a way to get massive traffic, and it goes on and on.

        You may think, holy cow there are alot of products on traffic, but everyone has their own way and method of going about things, so no one product may be an exact replica of another.

        Hope that helps

        Eric
        That's a great point and it helps a lot, but actually doing it has been a challenge.

        I'm not a 'traffic' or 'social media' guy and can't provide proof that I got a nifty little money making system.

        I know a lot of tech stuff, but I've been shying away from anything that just gets me back to working by the hour.

        So searching for a system of what I do know has required a lot of trials and errors.

        It's been a challenge trying to create content which is compelling and gets to the point. Thanks to some comments here, I think I figured out what I need to do.

        Once we get that crystal clear vision of what we 'need' to do to help some people (with no question about its worth).. then it's like a crazy race to just kick it out and give people access to it. (I'm almost there I think)

        Without that real human insight, I think it's too easy to waste a lot of time documenting ideas and insights without knowing exactly who (or what type of person) it's directed at. And it's probably just as hard for someone to follow it and know 'why' they should spend time learning it.
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    • Profile picture of the author kingde
      Originally Posted by Chad Eljisr View Post

      You've got a lot of interesting ideas, but as some have suggested, begin with one and "just do it". The first idea is good because it's easy to understand, and you can target several niches, not just the IM niche. There are a ton of people that would like to know how to start up their business with almost no resources - it's a good hook
      Thanks, your comment helped me a lot.

      I've been trying to "just do it", but every time I try to create content, I get hung up and lost in a mountain of details.

      My main problem is I couldn't clearly envision who I would be helping in a way that the value would be unquestionable.

      Trying to address these steps to the IM crowd kept me thinking, 99% of the people already know this (somewhat) and might quickly dismiss it in search of TRAFFIC or HOT OFFERS or PROOF OF EARNINGS

      But when you mentioned how it could help people in other markets, something clicked and I feel I know how to proceed.

      I think I knew it before, but it just wasn't clear in my mind exactly what I'm aiming for.

      A friend of mine had been giving feedback on my 'content creation experiments' and reminded me that I was trying to do too many things at one time and that I should modularize the info.

      I had problems picturing in my mind how I could do that in a compelling way, but now when I picture, trainers, personal coaches (non techy people) etc.. wanting to set up some of their stuff online, I see how they could really be helped.. and that cleared some of the haze on how to make a good product out of this stuff.
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    Originally Posted by kingde View Post

    Hello Warriors,

    I'm trying to create some valuable content for aspiring Entrepreneurs and people who feel stuck but I'm not too interested in what people people talk about in IM which is technical tricks to push people through a sales funnel and kind of leave them hanging on their own... Too many people seem to be competing at the same level and overall it just seems like a demanding job and not much of a business... so.. I thought I could try to help some people who are curious about some kinds of options to that.. but I'm not really sure where to start the conversation and who is out there that could relate..

    Anyway, I have some ideas for products and presentations for video etc but am not sure which ones to focus on..
    You can work on idea 1 and 2 and offer both to your prospects, depending on what they prefer.

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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Here is what I am seeing. You obviously have a vision... Looking at your website, I can tell you are going somewhere, but I'm not sure where, and I then question if you know where. - I know you know

      So I watch some of your video, you are pointing out about platforms and social media and traffic you will get to later, and the details of this you will get to later and later and later.

      Maybe some actual written content, on how you got to where you are right now? I did see what word press theme you use, but that was in a video. I did see what software you use for your videos. There are actually even cheaper / free tools that will do the same thing.

      I would think that the "PROCESS" is what you are trying to get across to people... but that isn't there.

      How are you supposed to get someone like me for an example to want you as a coach ( I am suspecting this is where you want this all to get to ) and you don't even have your site listed on google after 5 months? How am I supposed to have confidence in what you do when you come in here and say you have all these resources that you want to package all nice and pretty called 'Boot Strap Marketing' - and none of it is even listed on your site at this point. You are either putting the horse before the cart, or you are falling into your own 95%.

      You suggest you are an engineer of marketing, but where is it? Is it the videos? Is it the wordpress website? Is it in the color choices on your site?

      I'm really not trying to chew you up here. However, if it is YOUR goal to get to a place to do one on one coaching with THIS system, shouldn't the system be working? Shouldn't you at this point be using your self as a case study in the effectiveness of YOUR system?

      Shouldn't you be documenting how YOUR system is working for you? Wouldn't this in itself be the foundation to the content that you ultimately want to lock into a members only area? A step by step system showing you how to get from point A to point B. just the way I did. Wouldn't that be a stronger approach... your own words... showing you one on one.

      I suggest you get those boot straps on a pair of boots and start walking the walk. Leave a journal of your travels, and when you get to step 3 of your nice laid out plan, maybe then you can start reaching out to others.

      There is a fellow warrior "Mateenyall" and I went to take a look at his site today. He is my new hero. He is sharing the process. for better or for worse he shares his struggles and his triumphs. I will tell you what, I will go to a site such as his, to gain insight on my business. He's got his boots on, he's in it to win it. He is going to be that 5%!

      Hope that Helps!
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      • Profile picture of the author kingde
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        Here is what I am seeing. You obviously have a vision... Looking at your website, I can tell you are going somewhere, but I'm not sure where, and I then question if you know where. - I know you know

        So I watch some of your video, you are pointing out about platforms and social media and traffic you will get to later, and the details of this you will get to later and later and later.

        Maybe some actual written content, on how you got to where you are right now? I did see what word press theme you use, but that was in a video. I did see what software you use for your videos. There are actually even cheaper / free tools that will do the same thing.

        I would think that the "PROCESS" is what you are trying to get across to people... but that isn't there.
        Thanks for checking out my stuff, almost all of it has been experiments in trying to get my presentations skills together.

        Without some insights from individuals about what their problems might be, my focus is really bad and I can't assemble enough compelling ideas to package up. But I did learn a LOT about the mechanical process of doing it.
        I encourage anyone who is not creating content to just start doing something because it does take some time to get the physical skills of speaking clearly, looking at the camera while talking, creating presentations that don't induce sleep... so when you actually get a great idea.. you can just produce it and move on and not get slowed down with all the production stuff.

        Yes, I was putting myself up for criticism but as I mentioned in another post here on the warrior forum... nice feedback doesn't help me every time, but negative feedback just gets me thinking how to improve it.

        How are you supposed to get someone like me for an example to want you as a coach ( I am suspecting this is where you want this all to get to ) and you don't even have your site listed on google after 5 months? How am I supposed to have confidence in what you do when you come in here and say you have all these resources that you want to package all nice and pretty called 'Boot Strap Marketing' - and none of it is even listed on your site at this point. You are either putting the horse before the cart, or you are falling into your own 95%.
        I wasn't asking anyone to be a coaching client.. All I wanted was some feedback about product ideas.
        Also, SEO has been the least of my worries. Until I can find a avenue of really connecting with people, I find I'm just a bit too scattered to commit to optimizing little fluffy blog posts to get seen and until it feels more like a creative flow and not drudgery to write on my blog (to essentially nobody or anybody). I felt like I could spend my time on higher leveraged ideas up until recently. Now I'm trying to see who's out there. Once I feel I'm actually talking to somebody and saying something useful, then the writing is much easier (like right now in this forum).

        All this stuff is slowly coming together.. but it's not been easy for me.
        I realize how it's a mistake to learn ideas and kind of think you can just do it when you 'want' to do it.. but then reality sets in and there is this 'growing pain' and slowdown when it comes to the actual reality of doing it.
        All the little wisdom's people pick up and then repeat, get 90% of the people on this forum answering questions with those passed on 'wisdoms' but rarely any real insight from having done them. And the knowledgeable coaches are on much bigger problems and usually forgetting the little details of how they got from 'aspiring observer' to 'competent doer' in those early stages of learning it.

        You suggest you are an engineer of marketing, but where is it? Is it the videos? Is it the wordpress website? Is it in the color choices on your site?
        I'm not saying I'm a master of marketing... To me, an engineer sits alone and dissects and deciphers ideas and information until it's possible to build something super solid.

        I've done the kind of work which satisfied my own curiosity and answered "Why?" to the deepest levels of my demands for feeling competent and not 'wishing' I could just understand that copywriting book or that business strategy book. To just be able to grab any of the solid references and know which ideas are jumping out at me as profoundly useful or elegantly powerful was my 'engineer' at work.

        But now I have to stumble and figure things out to apply it.

        These forum discussions are helping me a lot where I couldn't apply what I knew in isolation.

        Anyway, I encourage anyone to just start building something and put yourself up for examination, because it's really needed to move forward!

        I'm really not trying to chew you up here. However, if it is YOUR goal to get to a place to do one on one coaching with THIS system, shouldn't the system be working? Shouldn't you at this point be using your self as a case study in the effectiveness of YOUR system?

        Shouldn't you be documenting how YOUR system is working for you? Wouldn't this in itself be the foundation to the content that you ultimately want to lock into a members only area? A step by step system showing you how to get from point A to point B. just the way I did. Wouldn't that be a stronger approach... your own words... showing you one on one.
        Yes the Chicken or the Egg problem... how to get proof without a client.. how to get a client without proof..

        I just need to stumble for a while and plow through the inept phase to see who I can help.

        All my training materials say to use testimonials and display proof.. but they kind of skip the part about how to get them when you're starting out.

        I suggest you get those boot straps on a pair of boots and start walking the walk. Leave a journal of your travels, and when you get to step 3 of your nice laid out plan, maybe then you can start reaching out to others.

        There is a fellow warrior "Mateenyall" and I went to take a look at his site today. He is my new hero. He is sharing the process. for better or for worse he shares his struggles and his triumphs. I will tell you what, I will go to a site such as his, to gain insight on my business. He's got his boots on, he's in it to win it. He is going to be that 5%!
        Great point.. I could do something like that but again I need a sense of who I am talking to so I can not meander off in a million directions and completely lose people.

        Hope that Helps!
        It did and it gave me a chance to explain a lot more details that I would have normally done.
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    Originally Posted by BlindRabbit View Post

    If you can't describe a product in a sentence then you've lost me. If you keep me that long and then can't go on to describe it in detail in terms of strengths and weaknesses in a paragraph, you have also lost me. And I'm a guy with no money!
    I'm still evolving and fine tuning what I'm trying to do.

    I have some valuable knowledge but packaging it up in a way that people can take it and run with it has been a challenge.

    It seems the key is to not start with selling to the masses... I need to interact with enough individuals until I see some patterns which can help larger groups of people.

    Many courses don't tell you that and they just start off (probably with what people think they want) with showing you how to sell to many.
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    Some good food for thought here for sure...
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Let there be no mistake, you are a very good communicator. That is without question a plus. You are obviously a thinker, again a plus. The question becomes how do you put those 2 things together. The answer to that is.. YOU seek out a question that needs an answer. I'm pretty sure you are aware you have done this - I or I think you are aware. You then think of the answer, then share that answer with the world.

      More often than not and in your case with no doubt, the question is an inner question. There for the answer has to obviously come from with in as well. ( Granted this is not how it always works but in your case without a doubt it is ) When dealing with this it often helps to reflect apon your past to see where you are, and where you want to go.

      This in itself is the process, this process is what your greatest asset is. You have already found the question that needs to be answered. You by default have determined who your audience is. You have gone as far as developed in some respects a product, to aid in the solution to the question. There comes a point where you may be thinking to much, and you need to start putting the thought into action.

      So what is the question you have an answer for? You have mentally bridged the gap between the employee mind to the entrepreneur mind. You have gone and thought of "Boot Strap Marketing" as a list of tools that will for little or no money help migrate the actions of that of an employee to that of and entrepreneur.

      So going a bit deeper into what I was saying before... you are missing the process. Or more so NOT sharing it. I looked at you page I know you were in IT til '97' when you were laid off. but I don't know much more. You need to share where you have been. Not down to the every last detail, but create that bond between who you want to help, and yourself. the one on one aspect you speak of in one of your videos.

      By developing YOUR story, where you were, where you are, and all of the steps between, you are developing a relationship with your readers / video watchers. You are creating the ground work for I would think your first product. "From Employee to Entrepreneur" I nice well written piece on how to change your mind, from the mindset of one to the other. Support that with some nice video pieces. and you are off and running.

      The next piece is then "Boot Strap Marketing" Now that your mind set is here... These are the tools you will need to act on your new found freedom. Once again a nice well written piece listing out all of the tools that are needed to get a presents online. And again some videos to support that product.

      Next piece would be the members only section. They then get to interact with you in a group forum of some type. Helping those that have connected with your thinking and actions.

      In the mean time before all of that you need to lay down the ground work. Develop the story, use your products page as a place to list what you have used and why.

      You chose word press, why? difference between .org and .com What plug ins?
      You chose x web hosting, why? are there other options?
      You chose x word press theme, why? Other possible options to consider?
      Video software, why? are there other options?
      Audio Software, why well because Audacity is awesome! haha what plug ins?

      You really should think about the google analytics plug in. #1 its going to give you tracking. #2 it is something you have already mentioned in your presentations #3 it will get your site listed with google. (this can in some cases take time )

      You are currently using Headway SEO juice. never used it myself but I am pretty sure they have a space to put keywords. This stuff is not "Fluff" it is the connection between what we do, and who we connect with. You say you have concerns of who you would be talking to if anyone. well if you don't do these things you will be talking to no one. WHEN you DO these things, by way of what people search, your FLUFF posts will draw LIKE minded people in.

      You have mentioned that you have started.... I would suggest you have made videos about what you are going to do. Is that a start well I guess... but is it on point with what your goals are, and who you want to reach?

      I can show you market analysis, and case studies and all kinds of stuff that will tell you that you have picked a good question to answer. I can tell you that you appear to have the ability to be a voice in that answer. All you have to do is stop thinking about it... and start answering. Start writing the "FLUFF". Start putting yourself out there. BUILD YOUR FUTURE. or you can think on it some more!

      Hope that Helps!
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        how have you been a member for almost a decade and only have 39 posts of which most of them have been recently? i confuse
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      • Profile picture of the author kingde
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        BUILD YOUR FUTURE. or you can think on it some more!

        Hope that Helps!
        Thanks for all the ideas... It helped a lot also to 'get' another motivation for SEO.. to get people to discover me who I would otherwise never reach or think to reach.

        You pretty much laid out a clear plan which makes a lot of sense to me.

        Thanks a lot for the insights.. I'm working on them now!
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        • Profile picture of the author kingde
          Hey Warriors,

          I put together a presentation describing my "Start For Nothing" Marketing Website system


          http://www.slideshare.net/kingde/bui...rketing-system


          Please take a look and let me know any feedback..

          I want to explain enough about the idea that someone would want to know more, but not too much to give it all away.

          Please let me know if it's lacking or needs a lot more work.. I can take it ;-)

          Also, let me know if the overall ideas seems to be enough to lead to a paid product, or not.

          Thanks a lot, David
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          • Profile picture of the author angelosbg
            Hi David,

            I watched very carefuly your presentation because I have been attracted by your mentality, as I told you in a previous post. I like coaches that speak a lot and their words are full of information. Also, I believe that you practicaly apply the rules that there are no magic pills and easy gains. And personally, I have the intuition that mostly that kind of mentors can REALLY help.
            This presentation, apart from the practical knowledge it offers, serves as an indicator of your huge experience on the sector as it's totally clear that you have researched a lot.
            However, I am not sure if a total newbie can understand all these things at once (even though for you all these probably are a piece of cake). And I state that because I'm afraid that not everyone appreciates long term offered solutions. This of course can be progressed in the future.

            Speaking about me, as a guy with not a huge experience and judging from what I have seen till now, I would like to be consulted by you. Above all because I agree with your ideas and secondly because you seem to know the topic very very well. I have sent you also an email, as you proposed to us.

            Regards, Angelo
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    Hey Everyone..

    I've been working very hard in the past month getting my writing skills up and writing on a blog.

    The first few articles were a bit random and all over the place, but now I have a pretty solid concept and I want to try to get some feedback on it.

    Easier Sales Concept – Buy-in and Desired Results Analysis | Dave King

    If you happen to see this thread, can you let me know your impression of this post?

    If you're not in the mood for reading a long post, I understand, but I've been hammering down this idea for a while and I think it's starting to crystalize a bit (maybe not)

    Would love to hear some feedback.. and hopefully I'll be able to head in the direction of some kind of product.. most likely something around the build a business for free... or some JV mindset training.

    The problem with build a business for free is that it's easy to set up the website, but not easy to teach someone to create something valuable..

    You'll see in that article and others that I'm trying to build up some ideas from the ground level so people can get on board and create something really valuable.. where you can rally your entire network and not just those who have bought in the idea that IM is a winning proposition ;-)

    Thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Ayling
    Not sure who said it but this really resonated with me as a fellow techie.

    Get it done, then get it right. In that order.

    Just go for it! 1) sounds great!
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