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I'm working on spinning some articles and was wondering how much better is it to spin them on a sentence level as well as a word and phrase level? For example, using the Content Professor it seems you can only spin articles on a word and phrase level.
What implications does this have for the uniqueness of the spun articles?
#article #spinning
  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    My advice: don't spin articles. Honestly, I can see a spun article a mile away and I always leave the website and move on to something else. Uniqueness means nothing if the article is spun and makes no sense. And by the very definition of spinning articles, they're not unique at all, just a mash up of an old one.

    There are tons of websites where you can get good, original articles for a fair price. It's worth the investment.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I would personally NEVER spin articles. Write them from scratch or rewrite them if you are desperate. But spinning will only get you so far and then you still need to triple check everything so you end up spending more time anyway.
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  • Profile picture of the author runningfree73
    Sorry, I should have mentioned that I'm talking about manually spinning articles, not auto-spinning.
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  • Profile picture of the author Trey Morgan
    I recommend you read the article one or twice and just completely rewrite it.
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  • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
    When i start eventually developing ad sense projects my plan is to invest in 1000/1200 word articles and spin them at a 500 or 700 word level. I figure the more words you have to work with, the more quality control you can develop. Also i tried spinning once and auto spinners do seem very obvious, Try spinning manually and spin the same article with software and examine which one comes out better.
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  • Profile picture of the author addnetit
    I personally recommend you to write your own and creative contents so that it will become a good habit for betterment of writing skill.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rory Singh
    Don't spin articles. It won't do much good except tick people off. Unless you want to repel them from your site.
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    • Profile picture of the author oWriter
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      Originally Posted by Rory Singh View Post

      Don't spin articles. It won't do much good except tick people off. Unless you want to repel them from your site.
      I totally agree. It's not about having any content in your site anymore, even if you have tons of it. It's all about content that makes sense, provides value and enjoyable to read at the same time.

      Even YOU wouldn't want to read crap, right?

      If anyone in your thread replies with spun content, would you even acknowledge it?
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  • Profile picture of the author domainscience
    You can hire people on fieverr.com for good articles.
    I wasted about $25 before I found three that are doing exactly what I need to be done.
    Here is a tip.
    Look for those that have 100% and take three to five days to do a gig.
    Also look for the ones that have a couple of gigs done and just starting out.
    They will want to do a good job for obvious reasons.
    Good Luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author vinness
      Do not let article spinners to mess up your website. It's best to hire someone who can work on your articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author Conchairtoe
      Originally Posted by domainscience View Post

      You can hire people on fieverr.com for good articles.
      I wasted about $25 before I found three that are doing exactly what I need to be done.
      Here is a tip.
      Look for those that have 100% and take three to five days to do a gig.
      Also look for the ones that have a couple of gigs done and just starting out.
      They will want to do a good job for obvious reasons.
      Good Luck.
      thanks for the tip
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  • Profile picture of the author runningfree73
    I still think article spinning has its place. I would never use a spun article on my money site but they can be useful for generating back links.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery Moss
    There's no good reason to use spun content for articles. Basically, you're still stealing someone else's work. And, even if you swap out every third word for a synonym, the article is not going to be 'unique' or 'original' so, you'll run into trouble with Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
    Google can easily detect spun content now and if you are using spun content on third party sites, as part of a link wheel/blog network, the sites being linked to will fall under Google's microscope for artificial backlinks. Just hire someone to write an original article. There are so many people out there who are desperate for writing work and would be happy to create something unique/original for any site you want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
    Don't try to spin articles get unique content because spun content is useless and don't help to get traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author mbah owl
    Don't do spin because it would damage the structure of articles / words that are easy to read and understand, because the spin is not going to increase the knowledge of yourself. We recommend that you do a rewrite with your words and you will trigger the development of the article would be great.
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  • Profile picture of the author vishwa
    Yes! I am also completely agree with all of them above. Never Spin the article it will certainly distract the articles and make complicated itself to understand and motivate of an article.
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    • Profile picture of the author Danny McConnell
      I'm with everyone else here. Don't Spin.

      Spun articles aren't writing. You can't read them.

      While they might have had a place in marketing schemes in a pretty greyhat/blackhat way in the past, it sure looks to me like the doomsday everyone has been predicting for years is coming.

      It looks to me like Google is getting a pretty good handle on stuff like this. In the near future, any time you spend on spun content might not only be wasted, but may actually do you damage as it's tracked back to you.
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Spun articles are almost always {crappy | lousy | shitty} Doesn't matter if you screw them up manually or with software.

        I apply the same standard to spun (never "spinned") articles that I do to autoblogs - if I can't tell, I don't care. But I {have to | must | need to} warn you, that's a very high bar.

        [Note: I tried to come up with more typical (i.e., poor) spintax, but I just couldn't make myself do it ]
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  • Profile picture of the author multiplecloud
    Spinning article should not working for now. Google now can understadn your article and relationship with word. So just change words, google can see as the same article.
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  • Profile picture of the author karolk
    Okay, since everyone is so "no no" about it, let me just answer your question instead of preaching "the good guy" point of view.

    If you want to spin, do it this way:

    - don't spin on a word level - this is silly and doesn't produce any quality results; essentially the sentences are all the same with different words, and most of the time quite annoying
    - spin on the sentence level - change whole sentences, rewrite individual sententences by simply trying to find an alternative way to say the same thing
    - spin on the paragraph level - change whole paragraphs, this is basically manual rewriting, but it does produce great results; in my opinion, spinning whole paragraphs is just the same as manual rewrite
    - spin by erasing - use the blank modifier; in other words, pick the sentences that can be removed completely without any loss of quality of the whole article
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  • Profile picture of the author CyberSEO
    Spin them by 3-4 word phrases and sentences. Don't spin by single keywords because it's useless.
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarizma
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    Originally Posted by runningfree73 View Post

    I'm working on spinning some articles and was wondering how much better is it to spin them on a sentence level as well as a word and phrase level? For example, using the Content Professor it seems you can only spin articles on a word and phrase level.
    What implications does this have for the uniqueness of the spun articles?
    There's nothing wrong with spinning. Truth be told, everyone does that - do we all read stuff and rewrite? That is spinning too! If you have to write a piece on SEO, you will go to SEOmoz and rewrite the matter!

    The problem starts when we want brainless bots to do human work. Don't use an article spinner if you are looking to do long term business.

    If you can't afford a writer or do it yourself, use a character spinner over a synonym spinner - you'll still have crappy stuff but at least your visitors would read premium content - only the search bots would get confused.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brand New Guy
    If you must "spin" one individual article instead of writing a new one based on multiple sources, it's much better to take a few notes while you read the original, and then write something fresh based on your notes. You know, like they began teaching you in grade school.

    This method will help you come up with better content, because it's not just someone else's article reworded. You can insert your own voice, which makes your writing more interesting to readers. And if you speak English, it's just a far less tedious process to explain something you just read, rather than go sentence-by-sentencing moving words around and consciously thinking of synonyms.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Dont do it my dude. Be original and come up with your own articles from your head. I'm confident that you can take out 15 minutes of your day and write an original 400 word article from scratch. Don't be lazy... you'll get lazy profits... if you get any profits at all.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by guitarizma View Post

      There's nothing wrong with spinning. Truth be told, everyone does that - do we all read stuff and rewrite? That is spinning too! If you have to write a piece on SEO, you will go to SEOmoz and rewrite the matter!
      No, I don't. If I have to write a piece on SEO, I don't just pick something from an authority site and steal it, then "file off the serial numbers and give it a new paint job." Call it what you want, but it's still stealing.

      Originally Posted by guitarizma View Post

      The problem starts when we want brainless bots to do human work. Don't use an article spinner if you are looking to do long term business.
      Agreed. I guess even a blind squirrel finds an acorn once in awhile.

      Originally Posted by guitarizma View Post

      If you can't afford a writer or do it yourself, use a character spinner over a synonym spinner - you'll still have crappy stuff but at least your visitors would read premium content - only the search bots would get confused.
      And we're back to cheating again. Showing different content to humans and spiders is a good way to get a site de-listed and blackballed.
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  • Profile picture of the author David Black 68
    The only spinning you should be doing is on the bike down at the gym...

    And, whilst you're peddling, you can spend the time to think of something new and interesting to write about!
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    I don't recommend spinning at all but if you do need to rewrite an article hire someone to do it, don't use a program. Hire someone who can actually rewrite the article properly.
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  • Profile picture of the author shrikantsoftwin
    article spinning is bad idea. It will only harm your site and rankings. Do not at all spin articles at any level. Rather write a fresh new content.
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  • Profile picture of the author schttrj
    Originally Posted by runningfree73 View Post

    I'm working on spinning some articles and was wondering how much better is it to spin them on a sentence level as well as a word and phrase level? For example, using the Content Professor it seems you can only spin articles on a word and phrase level.
    What implications does this have for the uniqueness of the spun articles?
    In an age when QUALITY seems to be considered the topmost requirement, content spinning seems to me a nonviable option.
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  • Profile picture of the author vedremo
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    Article spinning is more consistent if done on a per word basis. Doing it by phrase can result to grammar errors. The entire process is actually more tedious so it's best to rewrite the entire article. An article's uniqueness can never be achieved by using a Spinning software.

    If you don't have time to rewrite your own articles, you can always outsource them. Just make sure you check for the writer's writing sample or you can simply ask him or her to rewrite your article. This is the only way that you can check if the writer's writing skills and quality meet your standards.
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  • Profile picture of the author StuartDavidson
    Just don't spin. Why put more crap content on the internet? It's got enough of that already...
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  • Profile picture of the author koubain
    the way I sue for spinning is:
    -by word then by sentence after that by paragraph
    -5 variation each
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    • Profile picture of the author Brand New Guy
      Originally Posted by koubain View Post

      the way I sue for spinning is:
      -by word then by sentence after that by paragraph
      -5 variation each
      Wow. This sounds like an incredibly tedious way to generate low quality content. I can't believe people do this.

      The only way I can imagine this being less work than writing something fresh is if you just barely speak English, but in that case you're not going to end up with something terribly readable, anyway.

      If it works for you, more power to you, I guess, but relish it before Google deindexes that crap.
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    • Profile picture of the author Samuel Adams
      Originally Posted by koubain View Post

      the way I sue for spinning is:
      -by word then by sentence after that by paragraph
      -5 variation each

      Even if you're not planning to use this content on your own site, there's no way you'll ever get spun content past ezinearticle moderators, assuming you are planning to use spun content on another site.
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      • Profile picture of the author Max BNC
        Here is an advanced tutorial for spinning articles by Matthew Woodward. It is one hour long, but he doesnt miss a detail. Really good stuff. If you still dont know how to spin an article after watching this then I dont know what would help you
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  • Profile picture of the author PCH
    Hi RF73,

    I know the other guys have already answered as clearly as this needs answering.

    But I would just add for others considering using auto spinners that you'll find that in the time it takes to go over the spun article and re-hash all the bits that don't make sense, you could have re-written the article better yourself starting from scratch.

    In my early days I dabbled with a spinner one or twice and found them to be pretty hopeless actually.

    And if I can say this without offending anyone (apologies in advance if anyone is offended), people for who English isn't their first language but who publish their stuff in English - please avoid software spinners at all costs as the nuances of the language make it almost impossible for you to pick up errors in meaning.

    Just me 2c - hope it helps
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