Do Safelists work in building a list and email marketing/making sales

77 replies
has anyone tried building a list using
- Safelists and
- Traffic Exchanges

and then following up with some emails and a sale.

are the conversions worth it?
#building #email #list #marketing or making #safelists #sales #work
  • Profile picture of the author RichBeck
    Originally Posted by OfficerIM View Post

    has anyone tried building a list using
    - Safelists and
    - Traffic Exchanges

    and then following up with some emails and a sale.

    are the conversions worth it?
    OfficerIM,

    "Safelists" work 100% of the time... for the owner.

    I've been on "Safelists" in the past..... I've seen no benefit.

    Why?

    My theory is... most "list members" have all the mail from the "Safelist" going to a Trash folder or they have an e-mail they use for "junk e-mail" and never read it.

    Your mileage may vary...

    All The Best,

    Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8945876].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
      Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

      OfficerIM,

      "Safelists" work 100% of the time... for the owner.

      I've been on "Safelists" in the past..... I've seen no benefit.

      Why?

      My theory is... most "list members" have all the mail from the "Safelist" going to a Trash folder or they have an e-mail they use for "junk e-mail" and never read it.

      Your mileage may vary...

      All The Best,

      Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
      were you marketing Safelist specific products?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8945902].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JoeRemington
    Hey there my friend,

    I think one of the biggest problems with safelists and traffic exchanges is that each member that joins is mainly joining for one reason...

    To get traffic to 'their own' offers and websites.

    Each member is only viewing your offer so that they can get credit to get someone to see their offer. This means you have at most... What 15 to 20 seconds? And they're moving on to the next site. Even IF they opt in to your list I have found that it's extremely hard to ever get quality leads using these sites.

    The reason is that most people using these types of sites set up a trash email, confirm that it's real solely for the purpose of getting all the spam that no one really ever cares to view in the first place.

    I agree with Rich;
    Originally Posted by RichBeck View Post

    OfficerIM,

    "Safelists" work 100% of the time... for the owner.

    Rich Beck BCIP, MCSD, MCIS
    And as far as this question here -->> were you marketing Safelist specific products?

    I've tried many different types of products. I'm guessing by "safelist specific" products you mean products that help other members use and benefit from safelist themselves. I myself have tried this as well and the result has never been worth it. These sites as stated mainly benefit the owner NOT the user.

    In the end you will get traffic and even some optins but in my experience the quality is very poor. That's my rant, and I hope it helps
    Joe Remington
    Signature

    Create Killer Information Products with Such Ease You'll Almost Think I Wrote it for You...

    Plus I'll Even Give You a No Opt In Report for Free that will teach you how to Take Action, Create Actionable Info Products, and Avoid 5 Mistakes that Plague Product Creators... Check out my WSO

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8946239].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author tngllc
      Originally Posted by JoeRemington View Post

      Each member is only viewing your offer so that they can get credit to get someone to see their offer. This means you have at most... What 15 to 20 seconds? And they're moving on to the next site. Even IF they opt in to your list I have found that it's extremely hard to ever get quality leads using these sites.
      I completely agree. I used to use safelists to market to. I actually set up a specific email to use for these lists and have NEVER CHECKED IT ONCE. If I wanted extra credits I would go to the site and surf there so I could send out my email.

      In my experience I never got any effective traffic. Probably because everyone was doing the same thing as me....
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8946261].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
      Originally Posted by JoeRemington View Post

      Hey there my friend,

      I think one of the biggest problems with safelists and traffic exchanges is that each member that joins is mainly joining for one reason...

      To get traffic to 'their own' offers and websites.

      Each member is only viewing your offer so that they can get credit to get someone to see their offer. This means you have at most... What 15 to 20 seconds? And they're moving on to the next site. Even IF they opt in to your list I have found that it's extremely hard to ever get quality leads using these sites.

      The reason is that most people using these types of sites set up a trash email, confirm that it's real solely for the purpose of getting all the spam that no one really ever cares to view in the first place.

      I agree with Rich;


      And as far as this question here -->> were you marketing Safelist specific products?

      I've tried many different types of products. I'm guessing by "safelist specific" products you mean products that help other members use and benefit from safelist themselves. I myself have tried this as well and the result has never been worth it. These sites as stated mainly benefit the owner NOT the user.

      In the end you will get traffic and even some optins but in my experience the quality is very poor. That's my rant, and I hope it helps
      Joe Remington


      Well i know that in order to make money on safelists and traffic exchanges is that you have to basically market safelists to safelists because people want to send out their emails right, so you get a ref and when they buy credits you get a commission. Same thing applies to traffic exchanges. However the secret is that you get access to a new safelist launch before everyone so that you get the benefit of the most leads.


      Have you tried this? or were you just trying to build a list?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8946286].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author JoeRemington
    Ok, I see what you're saying. Initially I thought you were referring to promoting safelist products or courses that show other members how to benefit from safelist themselves but instead you're just redirecting them to the next 'shiny object' (new safelist) and doing it before it has become saturated and doesn't work anymore.

    This to me is short sighted and would not have any long term benefit to using such a strategy. Yes you will make a few small commissions. Yes you will build a small list of 'suckers' that keep falling for the next shiny object, silver bullet hype.

    But this to me is very short lived and I don't see any scalability to this strategy and I still say that it's very poor quality and serves no one. To me it has been and always will be a total waste of time.

    To answer your question specifically I don't believe that I have ever tried to promote other safelist to safelist members. (I did try a lot of things back when I just got started so there is a shadow of 'maybe' in there)

    Mostly I promoted other list building and traffic generation generation products which are two huge reasons people use safelist to begin with. I did get a small % of conversions but never anything that added up to being worth the effort.

    Make it a great day,
    Joe Remington
    Signature

    Create Killer Information Products with Such Ease You'll Almost Think I Wrote it for You...

    Plus I'll Even Give You a No Opt In Report for Free that will teach you how to Take Action, Create Actionable Info Products, and Avoid 5 Mistakes that Plague Product Creators... Check out my WSO

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8946391].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author actionplanbiz
    i use to do safelists a couple years ago. promoting straight to a sales page. it converts. just got to check your own numbers to decide if its worth it for you
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8946544].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author DWaters
    As the members above have pointed out the users of safelists are always marketers who are using them just to get traffic to their sites.....just like you!
    There is no "buyer intent" by the people who view your ads or see your site. From my experience it is s total waste of time and you should move on.
    Spend you time doing something constructive.
    Signature
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8946564].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    Over the years I've generate thousand of leads and thousands of dollar using both traffic exchanges and safelists. The main difficulty here is taking the time to create unique pages that are aimed at the type of person who uses this sort of site.

    Most people here will use them for a month, promote the same affiliate offer as everyone else, get no results, blame the traffic source and move onto promoting the next offer.

    If you spend 3 months learning who the best people are and learning what and how to promote properly you can get results. The best training you can probably get at the moment is via clicktrackprofit, it's been online for 3 years and is just shy of 100,000 members.

    Don't expect immediate results, start off slowly and build up your list gradually and once you know that you have a funnel that works start investing in buying advertising and building your list and brand.

    If you do want / need any help then please get in touch.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952601].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author insidmal
      I've had very good results using both safelists and traffic exchanges to generate leads.. definitely worth trying since they are mostly free the ROI is unbeatable

      The thing about these is that most of the people who use them are using extremely poor lead generation methods.. they have mostly no training and no leadership, so when you come at them with a capture page and sales funnel people will start piling right in and it's incredibly easy to build loyalty and generate sales because most are entering the online business markets for the very first time and haven't really found their niche yet

      As far as only promoting traffic products to them.. sure their initial purpose is to generate traffic, but they are generating traffic to try and sell some sort of product of their own, assuming all they want is traffic is a fairly narrow view.. they are people after all, and ignoring any large potential source of leads is ignorant, in my opinion..

      Traffic Exchanges specifically become very easy passive advertising machines because when you refer people to them, you get advertising credits when they are active, so just inserting an email in your email series promoting one can easily generate you referrals then before you know it you are getting tons of free advertising from their efforts, I personally get a little over 10,000 views from Traffic Exchanges daily without doing anything, which translates to a little over a dozen leads daily.. not huge numbers but it's free and takes me nothing more than advertising one or two mixed in my email series, which makes it pretty much a common sense move in my opinion.
      Signature
      Team Conquest: Where Ideas Meet.
      http://team-conquest.com
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952654].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    They work for the owner 100% of the time (like what was mentioned above). Most people don't join safelists to look for offers to join. It's a great business model for the safelist creator. That's about it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952707].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author JerryIannucci
      Originally Posted by tyronne78 View Post

      Most people don't join safelists to look for offers to join. It's a great business model for the safelist creator. That's about it.
      I have been using safelists daily for at least the past 5 years.

      When I was using them for list building I was generating 200-300 new subscribers per month.

      People join safelists for 2 reasons. They want more traffic, and they want to make more money.

      If you are trying to sell these people tennis rackets, then no safelists are not going to work for you.

      If don't know what to do with a highly targeted list of people who desperately want traffic and ways to make money online then you should probably just stick with seo.
      Signature
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952824].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author SeanSupplee
    lol you guys crack me up Don't go talking trash when you don't know how to use something. So tired of the drivel that comes out of some peoples mouths anymore.

    With any traffic method you need to learn the right way to use it. When you use it correctly and target the audience good things happen.

    Not all safelist, viral mailers or traffic exchanges are equal. Yes some are complete trash but others produce real results, real sales and real income for your business or affiliate links.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952788].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author BenjaminB
      Bottom line if you know how to market you could sell a cow patty to a bull in the middle of a herd. Check yourself and your ability to understand a landscape rather than blaming the source. Their are marketers who simply copy other marketers without ever understanding the WHY of doing something and then there are marketers who can apply the true fundamentals to anything and reap positive results.
      Signature
      Conversions have never been so easy!
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952839].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author BenjaminB
        To add several said safelists/traffic exchanges were useless because everyone was only trying to get traffic to their own promos or sales for their own products,....wait am I missing something here,...you just described The Warrior Forum and every last gathering point online for marketers! I'll leave you to chew on that a bit
        Signature
        Conversions have never been so easy!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952866].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Jon Olson
          Well...I've been making a living online for the past 15 years using nothing but traffic exchanges, viral mailers and safelists.

          Crazy talk I know...

          And yes, I own some but before I did, I used them exclusively for branding and list building. Built sizable downlines around the industry, added thousands to my mailing list...Which put me in the position to eventually own and operate them.

          They are fantastic programs but like mentioned above by John and Sean...Some are garbage (just like anything online)....But there are great programs run by very dedicated owners.

          And echoing again what John mentioned....You cannot beat the ROI on these things when you use them properly.

          See ya again in a year Warrior Forum, love ya
          Signature
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8952924].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author georgekosch
            I have used safelists and exchanges to build our Worldprofit business, bring in new members for over a decade now.

            I found out about them because one of our Dealers back in 2003 was bringing in new business faster than any 5 of our top Dealers put together. I asked him how he could be doing this... He said simply, "Safelists and Exchanges".

            I have met some incredible people using them and know a ton of admirable admins that have built solid businesses online using them.

            They work for the OWNER and the many customers that use them.

            I have never looked back.
            Signature

            George Kosch
            Webmaster
            http://Worldprofit.com

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8954700].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Richard Weberg
              I guess I must have wasted the past 10+ years of my life then, because I have made my living online, using almost exclusively traffic exchanges, safelist and viral mailers to build my business...

              And I have not needed a job in years....

              And my traffic is residual in nature, I do not have to go looking for some new technique to get more traffic....and my traffic sources pay me....aha!

              You get out of something what you put in to it, and when you take the time to master a traffic strategy....ALL OF THEM WORK!
              Signature

              To Your Success And Happiness
              RichardWeberg.com

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8955317].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
              Originally Posted by georgekosch View Post

              I have used safelists and exchanges to build our Worldprofit business, bring in new members for over a decade now.

              I found out about them because one of our Dealers back in 2003 was bringing in new business faster than any 5 of our top Dealers put together. I asked him how he could be doing this... He said simply, "Safelists and Exchanges".

              I have met some incredible people using them and know a ton of admirable admins that have built solid businesses online using them.

              They work for the OWNER and the many customers that use them.

              I have never looked back.

              Hey! i'm about to buy your list building course. Did you specifically develop the course based on Safelists and traffic exchanges?
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8956288].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author StefanBerg
                Yeah Mailers/Safelists and Traffic Exchanges played a big part in building my Business.
                I make my Living 100% from my Internet based Business since 2009

                I started off in 2006, pretty quick I found TE's, later Safelists and I got very
                poor results and I blamed the traffic sources instead of blaming myself...

                It took a few years to get a hang of it... I went Fulltime online 2009... So 3
                years of struggle and 5 years of gr8 experience with Safelists and TE's...

                Build YOUR own List with the Quality Mailers, Te's out there, combined your
                efforts with other traffic sources as your blogs, social media etc and you have
                a winner if you use each traffic source the way they are designed....

                Study... Track, tweak your pages to perfection and you'll see gr8 results with
                Safelists/Mailers/List Builders and make $1000's/month and generate 1000's of
                leads every year
                Signature
                Get Tons Of Traffic & Leads! - Be a Lead Magnet Today!
                List Building Made Easiser - Learn How to Build YOUR List! by Stefan Berg
                Stefanbergs.com - Get Marketing Tips and Tricks to build your Business Bigger & Better
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8960338].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author bogomil22
                  Probably, you can make a good list with such programs, but the problem is that most of them s**k. And like many of the warriors said, they work mainly for the creator. There are some blogs out there which are talking about different safelist programs and traffic exchange websites, and they are giving reviews about them. Search in google about safelist programs reviews and you will find a lot of different blogs.
                  I hope this helps
                  Signature
                  Want a 4-figure Recurring Monthly Income? Get Paid Starting Today...

                  Or you can learn more about me by visiting my official webpage - www.thedrbo.com
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8961258].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Lex Gabriel
    Without having previous experience working with safelists or traffic exchanges I could say that people participating in these programs need traffic (or are looking for it) or are interested in building a list. So you try selling list building and traffic generation info products to them.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8955416].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
      Originally Posted by Lex Gabriel View Post

      Without having previous experience working with safelists or traffic exchanges I could say that people participating in these programs need traffic (or are looking for it) or are interested in building a list. So you try selling list building and traffic generation info products to them.
      The problem with this market is that direct sales doesn't work. I'm thinking you have to be allot more elaborate in how you sell the product
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8956287].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author maverikk
    not sure where to begin asking, I have a service website that advertises for dealers/brokers in a vertical market. suddenly I am getting over a thousand opt-in signups a day from all over the world, but all these people seem to be in internet marketing, not listing ads which is what the free membership is for. They put personal info including website details. I just wonder who told them to register with me - and is there some company out there that I can sell these fresh daily opt-in email leads to??
    (I don't do affiliate marketing myself, although I know a little about it.)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8961359].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author PolicyMaker
    I would prefer to avoid this route and try the TESTED options for driving traffic...
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8961372].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author darrenolander
      Originally Posted by PolicyMaker View Post

      I would prefer to avoid this route and try the TESTED options for driving traffic...
      Isn't any route tested... by someone?
      I've tested safelists for years along countless other strategies and safelists have always come out on top as far as ROI. Sure, you don't get 50% opt-in rates from the traffic, but that's part of the game, you get a whole lot of volume for super cheap and for me at least it means higher profits.

      Other strategies can fetch 50% opt-in rates but at a price many times higher, when you look at cost vs reward - I'll go with the safelists I've TESTED every time.
      Signature

      Darren Olander
      My Blog

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8962647].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jon Olson
      Originally Posted by PolicyMaker View Post

      I would prefer to avoid this route and try the TESTED options for driving traffic...
      Yeah just echoing what Darren said...

      I've been testing traffic exchanges and safelists since about 1999....

      They perform extremely well for people that understand how to advertise in them. As with any method of traffic generation, it's a skill and it's learned.
      Signature
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990306].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author butch04
    Safelists work they just take exactly that a little bit of work.

    It also depends what type of product or service your marketing to these types of places because not every traffic source will convert whatever your trying to market.

    Yesterday I was doing so marketing for a membership site I own and logged into the site List Building Maximizer. Now granted I'm a upgraded member there so I can mail to a lot of people IF I have credits. Well I didn't have credits yesterday. So I earned some from looking at emails took me about 10-15 minutes. I didn't even have enough to mail to all 18k members the site has I mailed to 12,000 something.

    Looked today at my membership site and saw this.



    I blurred out the members name/email but you can see the upgraded member came from a safelist that I took 10-15 minutes to earn credits at. The sale was for $77.

    Sure you will not get results every time you use a safelist but the point and goal is to use them each and every time you can because results like this do happen every few days and they add up over a month.

    So this again for everyone out there that think safelists don't work this is proof they do you just have to invest a little bit of work into them like anything else in life.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8976166].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
      Internet marketing is a numbers game. Based on that safelists and traffic exchanges can work if you do it right and have the numbers in your favor.

      I read once where a guy had a goal of having one of his offers or landing pages being looked at every second of the day. He was in hundreds of traffic exchanges and had built a very large referral base he was earning credits from.

      He did not sit and click on ads all day. Obviously traffic exchanges worked for him.
      Signature
      Jeff Schuman - Blog Writer For Hire! Buy affordable, quality niche blog articles. Fast turnaround.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8976169].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author talfighel
        Originally Posted by Jeff Schuman View Post

        Internet marketing is a numbers game. Based on that safelists and traffic exchanges can work if you do it right and have the numbers in your favor.

        I read once where a guy had a goal of having one of his offers or landing pages being looked at every second of the day. He was in hundreds of traffic exchanges and had built a very large referral base he was earning credits from.

        He did not sit and click on ads all day. Obviously traffic exchanges worked for him.
        Jeff,

        While traffic exchanges work well for one person, it may not work too well for others.

        I am still on the fence with traffic exchange websites.
        Signature
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8976802].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author bluebrain
    Safelists work great if used correctly. Same goes for Facebook, PoF, 7search etc...
    Signature
    Mine crypto coins not using graphics cards but by building gold mines in an online strategy game???
    [EASY $100 a month] How to make money playing GoldenTowns
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8976943].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
    I agree with the previous posters... safelists can work if you learn how to use them correctly. You can test out most safelists for free, before you buy (Yes, you may miss the OTOs if you bypass them, but 80% of the time you will get another, random, OTO-like offer somewhere down the line... especially when the "launch" phase for that site has worn off or at certain times of the year, like Black Friday)...

    As with any business, no you would not make a fortune from safelists over night... but if you spend a little time to set up your foundation and you upgrade in the right places, you can be mailing to half a million a day with nary a click (I know, because I can do that now) and if you take the time to fill in a couple of the downline builders and you promote the links for THOSE sites... you could be not only covering your initial costs, but earning some decent pocket change (on top of your main business) for years to come, from just months to a year (depends on initial investment and/or experience) of effort.

    Just this past Saturday, I made $160 passively (I made more that day, but that's what others earned for me or was residual income)... all from safelists. I've made more than that passively, before, but that was just this past Saturday... and it keeps getting better every day.

    I'm glad I put in the time to build that foundation... and all the while I was educating myself while watching and reading internet marketing ads, buying products that interested me and even collecting freebies along the way... now that, that is on auto-pilot I can focus on other things, like blogging, list building and SEO and I always know that on any given day I can easily reach a half a million or more people for FREE now (free because I put in a little extra effort to make sure the safelists paid for themselves and then some) ... with no effort on my part aside from copying and pasting ads into HTML editors and hitting send...that's a half a million people (guaranteed, every day) ON TOP of all of the other things you teach here to garner traffic... why would anyone throw that traffic away?

    No one would say to bring traffic to your sites only with safelists, to the exclusion of all other methods... it's just another great tool that you can use... and works especially well if you learn how to use it properly.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990283].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
      Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

      I agree with the previous posters... safelists can work if you learn how to use them correctly. You can test out most safelists for free, before you buy (Yes, you may miss the OTOs if you bypass them, but 80% of the time you will get another, random, OTO-like offer somewhere down the line... especially when the "launch" phase for that site has worn off or at certain times of the year, like Black Friday)...

      As with any business, no you would not make a fortune from safelists over night... but if you spend a little time to set up your foundation and you upgrade in the right places, you can be mailing to half a million a day with nary a click (I know, because I can do that now) and if you take the time to fill in a couple of the downline builders and you promote the links for THOSE sites... you could be not only covering your initial costs, but earning some decent pocket change (on top of your main business) for years to come, from just months to a year (depends on initial investment and/or experience) of effort.

      Just this past Saturday, I made $160 passively (I made more that day, but that's what others earned for me or was residual income)... all from safelists. I've made more than that passively, before, but that was just this past Saturday... and it keeps getting better every day.

      I'm glad I put in the time to build that foundation... and all the while I was educating myself while watching and reading internet marketing ads, buying products that interested me and even collecting freebies along the way... now that, that is on auto-pilot I can focus on other things, like blogging, list building and SEO and I always know that on any given day I can easily reach a half a million or more people for FREE now (free because I put in a little extra effort to make sure the safelists paid for themselves and then some) ... with no effort on my part aside from copying and pasting ads into HTML editors and hitting send...that's a half a million people (guaranteed, every day) ON TOP of all of the other things you teach here to garner traffic... why would anyone throw that traffic away?

      No one would say to bring traffic to your sites only with safelists, to the exclusion of all other methods... it's just another great tool that you can use... and works especially well if you learn how to use it properly.

      So the main point is to basically just focus on building YOUR list? I just barely started a safelist blog to entice a sense of authority so i can give people something to reference to when they sign up to my list. Is this essentially on the right path?

      Ive literally read over 20 safelists e-books and they all say just build a list but what confuses me is that traditional list building focuses on the sales funnel. i am having trouble thinking about the kind of sales funnel to set up with Safelist Marketing? It's kind of making me doubt myself whether i can actually make money with Safelist Marketing.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8994467].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author stevo47
      Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

      I agree with the previous posters... safelists can work if you learn how to use them correctly. You can test out most safelists for free, before you buy (Yes, you may miss the OTOs if you bypass them, but 80% of the time you will get another, random, OTO-like offer somewhere down the line... especially when the "launch" phase for that site has worn off or at certain times of the year, like Black Friday)...

      As with any business, no you would not make a fortune from safelists over night... but if you spend a little time to set up your foundation and you upgrade in the right places, you can be mailing to half a million a day with nary a click (I know, because I can do that now) and if you take the time to fill in a couple of the downline builders and you promote the links for THOSE sites... you could be not only covering your initial costs, but earning some decent pocket change (on top of your main business) for years to come, from just months to a year (depends on initial investment and/or experience) of effort.

      Just this past Saturday, I made $160 passively (I made more that day, but that's what others earned for me or was residual income)... all from safelists. I've made more than that passively, before, but that was just this past Saturday... and it keeps getting better every day.

      I'm glad I put in the time to build that foundation... and all the while I was educating myself while watching and reading internet marketing ads, buying products that interested me and even collecting freebies along the way... now that, that is on auto-pilot I can focus on other things, like blogging, list building and SEO and I always know that on any given day I can easily reach a half a million or more people for FREE now (free because I put in a little extra effort to make sure the safelists paid for themselves and then some) ... with no effort on my part aside from copying and pasting ads into HTML editors and hitting send...that's a half a million people (guaranteed, every day) ON TOP of all of the other things you teach here to garner traffic... why would anyone throw that traffic away?

      No one would say to bring traffic to your sites only with safelists, to the exclusion of all other methods... it's just another great tool that you can use... and works especially well if you learn how to use it properly.
      Maria. Thanks for your post. Do you recommend and particular program to use for safelists and exchanges to put them on auto-pilot? I am a member of over 100 programs and I do it manually.

      Cheers
      Jon
      Signature

      Affiliate templates are not allowed.

      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9401859].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author VernonNoyes
    Any good safelist has 2 email addresses for each person on the list. One email address is a junk email address and the other is an "admin" email address.

    Almost all of them will allow you to send email to the "admin" email addresses for a small fee.

    That's the list you want to send to. And in my experience it's always gotten me way more visitors than any solo ad, google ad, forum post or other so-called traffic method.

    The key to getting visitors then sign ups then sales is dead simple.

    1. Give away, completely free, a very highly perceived value product. Say in your subject and your email to the "admin" list that it's free and how much it's worth, as well as the benefits of owning it. That will get the visitors.

    2. Make the visitors opt-in AND verify their email address in order to get the free product. That will get the sign ups. If you don't make them verify their email address you'll get way more sign ups but over 90% of them will give a bogus email address, so really you're getting way less sign ups.

    3. The first 3 emails you send them, offer more free stuff or links to other people free stuff, along with good solid free advice.

    4. The 4th email you send, sell them a product, in the same niche, worth half or less than the original free product you gave them. By the time they get your 4th email they're feeling guilty if they don't buy it, especially since you're asking such a small price.

    Using this simple method you can add 3 or 4 thousand subscribers to your list every month, and 3 or 4 thousand dollars to your bank account every month.

    Of course, your results may vary from mine.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990554].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
    I just want to add a few more words, as I read back on some of the early posts on this thread....

    Someone had asked or mentioned "What would you promote on a safelist?" or be successful promoting there... and another person mentioned "Well, you only have 15-20 seconds before that person moves on to the next ad "because they aren't there to buy what you have, they are there to sell what they have to you... "

    So, you need to ask yourself... if they are there to sell something to you, what does that mean? It means, that they are hoping to make money. I think most would agree, that many of the offers in this business (even outside of promoting safelist, specific offers) revolve around teaching others how to be successful, which helps them to make money...

    So, if I were an internet marketer, who was not interested in taking part in the Safelist business, specifically, and who was only interested in using them... I would take the fact that I at least have some idea that those reading my ads are there to "make money" and I would couple that with the fact that I only have 10-20 seconds to grab their attention... and as a result, my ONLY goal, at that stage, would be to set up a lead capture page that gets that person, from that safelist, to become a member of MY list... I would not be there to sell them some huge expensive system in 15-20... my main goal would be to get them in my orbit. Which brings us back to what we said before... if you just use your intelligence and think it through... you can use safelists to greatly benefit yourself...without actually having to be in the safelist business.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990568].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author VernonNoyes
      Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

      my ONLY goal, at that stage, would be to set up a lead capture page that gets that person, from that safelist, to become a member of MY list
      You're exactly right Maria. getting people on your list should be the ONLY objective in everything you do marketing wise, whether it's safelist or whatever. The ONLY time you should try to sell anybody anything is AFTER they're on your list and then ONLY after they've been on there awhile. The only exception might be if you're doing a WSO, but even most (not all, but most) of those are designed and work best only to capture leads.

      At least that's what I've learned since I first went full time in 1996. Works for me! And, as I said before, safelist can add several thousand people to your list every month, as long as you're NOT trying to sell them anything.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990641].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
    You can use them to build your list and that's really the only reason you should be using them, but don't expect to create any significant income from that if it's all you're going to do.

    That's how I started back in 2005. Added thousands of subscribers to my list between safelists and viral list builders.

    Not sure how effective they are now as I engage in marketing that is a much better use of my time and money, but I'm sure you can get something out of them
    Signature

    "Human thoughts have the tendency to transform themselves into their physical equivalent." Earl Nightingale

    Super Affiliates Hang Out Here

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990574].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author dtukdudlku
    Banned
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990599].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author insidmal
      Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

      I had to use free advertising for quite a while (probably not always the best advertising/highest conversion advertising) but I still made it work... I think anyone can.
      That's exactly it, I LOVE SEO and using blogs to drive traffic.. it's free, but it takes a lot of time to get moving, Safelists and Traffic Exchanges are effective to drive traffic right away without waiting months for the search engines to start driving traffic, it's a quick easy, and very inexpensive/free way to drive traffic NOW... of course it's lower converting than SEO traffic, but SEO traffic is also much slower, the sheer volume alone of safelists and traffic exchanges are it's advantage, and the fact that most employ extensive anti cheating functionality gets you real viewers.. what you do with that traffic is up to how much you are willing to work to make it work, you can get incredibly high conversions from TEs and Safelists.. or you can get none at all, it really depends on how well you've refined your funnel but the biggest advantage is that you are getting mostly free traffic, in large quantities, quickly.
      Signature
      Team Conquest: Where Ideas Meet.
      http://team-conquest.com
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8993928].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
        Originally Posted by insidmal View Post

        ... of course it's lower converting than SEO traffic, but SEO traffic is also much slower, the sheer volume alone of safelists and traffic exchanges are it's advantage, and the fact that most employ extensive anti cheating functionality gets you real viewers.. what you do with that traffic is up to how much you are willing to work to make it work, you can get incredibly high conversions from TEs and Safelists.. or you can get none at all, it really depends on how well you've refined your funnel but the biggest advantage is that you are getting mostly free traffic, in large quantities, quickly.
        Precisely...I had to make a quick decision when I got started if I should hedge my bets on putting myself out there on the wide internet and attempting to employ SEO tactics (at a time when SEO tactics were even confusing to SEO tacticians, due to the Penguin update) or I could choose a sure bet... to definitely get at least SOME, IMMEDIATE eyes on me using advertising exchanges... and I chose the latter and, luckily, it was a good choice for me.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8994201].message }}
  • Safelist as with anything you have to do your research to find the reliable ones.
    Safelist can be a good way to build your list if done properly.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8990669].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Never made it work for me... so i swapped it for article marketing.

    That didnt work well for me either. So i started a blog... and i'm getting good results from it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8991030].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      Never made it work for me... so i swapped it for article marketing.

      That didnt work well for me either. So i started a blog... and i'm getting good results from it.
      That's awesome... I'm glad you were able to find your medium... I'm hoping to start a blog at some point... that is something I am not so good at.. I seem to throw a lot of roadblocks and excuses in my own path when it comes to starting a blog... "What if I don't choose the right platform?" "What if I choose a name and domain and I don't like it six months later and want to switch?" etc. Lot's of excuses
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8991325].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
        Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

        I'm hoping to start a blog at some point... that is something I am not so good at.. I seem to throw a lot of roadblocks and excuses in my own path when it comes to starting a blog... "What if I don't choose the right platform?" "What if I choose a name and domain and I don't like it six months later and want to switch?" etc. Lot's of excuses
        How do you know you're not good at it if you haven't even actually blogged yet?

        Seems you're procrastinating bc of the fear of failure.
        Signature

        "Human thoughts have the tendency to transform themselves into their physical equivalent." Earl Nightingale

        Super Affiliates Hang Out Here

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8991337].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
          Originally Posted by jasondinner View Post

          How do you know you're not good at it if you haven't even actually blogged yet?

          Seems you're procrastinating bc of the fear of failure.

          I totally agree... I haven't given it a lot of thought yet, but I'm guessing that I've been successful with sharing the skills I've learned over the past year because I'm not afraid that someone not liking a "skill" of mine will cripple me.. I've learned Photoshop and I've become a pretty ok graphic designer at this point (I am just wrapping up something that will launch soon and did all the site graphics, product graphics - books, dvds, membership cards...etc) and I've learned many other skills this year...

          ...but if someone were to not like something I wrote... that's more personal and is a big fear of mine. I need to get over that.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8991374].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author jasondinner
            Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

            ...but if someone were to not like something I wrote... that's more personal and is a big fear of mine. I need to get over that.
            If someone were to not like something you wrote, who's problem is it really?

            Not yours
            Signature

            "Human thoughts have the tendency to transform themselves into their physical equivalent." Earl Nightingale

            Super Affiliates Hang Out Here

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8991393].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    You know even highly experienced marketers fall for that some times. We get in a low and want out. We try them again only to find out the same thing, they never have worked for me. But if you open a site and market it well you will have a huge list.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8991335].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
    Thank you - I'll try to remember that!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8991490].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
    I have a hard time believing people are having success with Safe-lists and other forms of low quality traffic. In fact I see a lot of people say they often have success with something yet they never post any results to back them up. So as far as I am concerned until they submit proof that safe-lists are a great method for list building and they are converting into purchases, I cannot recommend using safe-lists. That is of course, til I see the people having success post results for people to look at and list what proven methods work.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8994007].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
      Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

      I have a hard time believing people are having success with Safe-lists and other forms of low quality traffic. In fact I see a lot of people say they often have success with something yet they never post any results to back them up. So as far as I am concerned until they submit proof that safe-lists are a great method for list building and they are converting into purchases, I cannot recommend using safe-lists. That is of course, til I see the people having success post results for people to look at and list what proven methods work.
      Oh, somehow I get the feeling you would come up with reasons why the "proof" given to you was doctored in some way... isn't that the way these conversations usually go? It's your choice not to believe... all we can do is share our experiences.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8994195].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
        Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

        Oh, somehow I get the feeling you would come up with reasons why the "proof" given to you was doctored in some way... isn't that the way these conversations usually go? It's your choice not to believe... all we can do is share our experiences.
        Well share your experience and back up your claim, that shouldn't be difficult than right? Many of us have been marketing for sometime now and we are not foolish to fall for this type of method to build a list and try and make sales. If you really are doing as good as you say you are doing, or anybody else for that matter, you being the expert that you are at building a list and making sales with safe lists than you shouldn't have any problems sharing the exact steps on what it takes to be successful at using these method that many of us already know are a complete waste of time. If you can walk the walk than be my guest, let your results and your expertise do the talking. Nobody wants to hear someone say something works but yet can't back it up, if you have built your business on safe-lists , good, than show us! I'm sure everybody would love to see.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8994512].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
          Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

          Well share your experience and back up your claim, that shouldn't be difficult than right? Many of us have been marketing for sometime now and we are not foolish to fall for this type of method to build a list and try and make sales. If you really are doing as good as you say you are doing, or anybody else for that matter, you being the expert that you are at building a list and making sales with safe lists than you shouldn't have any problems sharing the exact steps on what it takes to be successful at using these method that many of us already know are a complete waste of time. If you can walk the walk than be my guest, let your results and your expertise do the talking. Nobody wants to hear someone say something works but yet can't back it up, if you have built your business on safe-lists , good, than show us! I'm sure everybody would love to see.
          Relax Cowboy
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8994544].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
          Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

          Well share your experience and back up your claim, that shouldn't be difficult than right? Many of us have been marketing for sometime now and we are not foolish to fall for this type of method to build a list and try and make sales. If you really are doing as good as you say you are doing, or anybody else for that matter, you being the expert that you are at building a list and making sales with safe lists than you shouldn't have any problems sharing the exact steps on what it takes to be successful at using these method that many of us already know are a complete waste of time. If you can walk the walk than be my guest, let your results and your expertise do the talking. Nobody wants to hear someone say something works but yet can't back it up, if you have built your business on safe-lists , good, than show us! I'm sure everybody would love to see.
          No offense, Matthew... but I don't plan to do a song and pony dance for you. You obviously have no experience with safelists and it's your duty to try to them out for yourself (why would you just trust the opinions of others? Good or bad?) If you don't want to try them out yourself, that's fine... it certainly isn't going to hurt me.

          For the record, I checked your Facebook page to get a better understanding of what "quality traffic" is in your book, because you had called Safelist traffic (when you have no experience with safelists - btw, SAFELIST is spelled WITHOUT a hyphen) "low-quality" and all I see is a bunch of half nude women...and dreams you obviously haven't realized yet.

          So...

          1.) I'm not sure why you think anyone would place much value on your opinion when it comes to "quality" and I'm not sure why you think I'd feel your lack of approval/belief would hurt my feelings.

          2. I am ESPECIALLY not planning on prancing through any hoops for you now that I see your misogynistic nature & that you like to objectify women.

          This conversation is over Matthew. Everyone who knows me, knows that I'm happy and as successful as I would like to be and continue to learn new things every day... that is all that matters to me. I'm lucky that I've already realized many of my dreams... I hope you can do the same for yourself some day, even if I find some of your dreams insulting and distasteful.

          Take care.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8995235].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author Matthew Trujillo
            Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

            No offense, Matthew... but I don't plan to do a song and pony dance for you. You obviously have no experience with safelists and it's your duty to try to them out for yourself (why would you just trust the opinions of others? Good or bad?) If you don't want to try them out yourself, that's fine... it certainly isn't going to hurt me.

            For the record, I checked your Facebook page to get a better understanding of what "quality traffic" is in your book, because you had called Safelist traffic (when you have no experience with safelists - btw, SAFELIST is spelled WITHOUT a hyphen) "low-quality" and all I see is a bunch of half nude women...and dreams you obviously haven't realized yet.

            So...

            1.) I'm not sure why you think anyone would place much value on your opinion when it comes to "quality" and I'm not sure why you think I'd feel your lack of approval/belief would hurt my feelings.

            2. I am ESPECIALLY not planning on prancing through any hoops for you now that I see your misogynistic nature & that you like to objectify women.

            This conversation is over Matthew. Everyone who knows me, knows that I'm happy and as successful as I would like to be and continue to learn new things every day... that is all that matters to me. I'm lucky that I've already realized many of my dreams... I hope you can do the same for yourself some day, even if I find some of your dreams insulting and distasteful.

            Take care.
            If somebody goes on to make claims that big foot exists and you try to convince everybody that he exists and that everyone is wrong if they don't believe, well who is wrong in this scenario : A.) The people who don't believe or B.) The person making the claims but cannot back it up?. Why on Earth would anybody want to waste their time in the first place? Why would anybody waste their time convincing people spinning their wheels? Why would anybody waste their time trying to prove something that can't be backed up? Nobody is saying big foot doesn't exist, I mean safe-lists don't work. What I am saying is provide proof that it actually works, otherwise you are just wasting your time here. So when you are ready to provide a step by step guide in a reply/thread/wso to using "safe-lists" PM me, I'll be ready for you to guide me to "safe-list" success!
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8995585].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author insidmal
        Originally Posted by mariamccarthy View Post

        Oh, somehow I get the feeling you would come up with reasons why the "proof" given to you was doctored in some way... isn't that the way these conversations usually go? It's your choice not to believe... all we can do is share our experiences.
        Doesn't matter... just means more pie for the rest of us
        Signature
        Team Conquest: Where Ideas Meet.
        http://team-conquest.com
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8996144].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author OfficerIM
      Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

      I have a hard time believing people are having success with Safe-lists and other forms of low quality traffic. In fact I see a lot of people say they often have success with something yet they never post any results to back them up. So as far as I am concerned until they submit proof that safe-lists are a great method for list building and they are converting into purchases, I cannot recommend using safe-lists. That is of course, til I see the people having success post results for people to look at and list what proven methods work.
      Well why would you advise against something you haven't tried yourself. your misleading everyone who read what you posted.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8994456].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author RickyDee
        I spent days of my life trying safelists a got very poor results, you are much better of spending your time on other things
        Signature

        Affiliate links are not allowed!

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9404107].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by Matthew J Trujillo View Post

      I have a hard time believing people are having success with Safe-lists and other forms of low quality traffic. In fact I see a lot of people say they often have success with something yet they never post any results to back them up. So as far as I am concerned until they submit proof that safe-lists are a great method for list building and they are converting into purchases, I cannot recommend using safe-lists. That is of course, til I see the people having success post results for people to look at and list what proven methods work.
      You can't recommend or not recommend them because you have no knowledge of them. So why post at all?

      -g
      Signature
      Screw You, NameCheap!
      $1 Off NameSilo Domain Coupons:

      SAVEABUCKDOMAINS & DOLLARDOMAINSAVINGS
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8995798].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
    Originally Posted by OfficerIM View Post

    So the main point is to basically just focus on building YOUR list? I just barely started a safelist blog to entice a sense of authority so i can give people something to reference to when they sign up to my list. Is this essentially on the right path?

    Ive literally read over 20 safelists e-books and they all say just build a list but what confuses me is that traditional list building focuses on the sales funnel. i am having trouble thinking about the kind of sales funnel to set up with Safelist Marketing? It's kind of making me doubt myself whether i can actually make money with Safelist Marketing.
    You'll get the hang of it! It was confusing to me in the beginning as well.. and it's confusing to most people in the beginning. The way that products and ideas are "sold" in this industry, does oftentimes make people doubt themselves because you hear over and over again that you can get rich, seemingly overnight, and I have yet to meet anyone doing very well in this industry or working from home who didn't work very hard for at least a year or two to get there... It's why the IRS almost never audits anyone within the first two years of them opening a business... because you are expected to operate at a loss for a year or two...

    There is a fairly steep learning curve... if you have a day job, plan on holding onto it for a while so that you can take the time to really learn how all the pieces fit together. As far as using Safelists, yes... I would plan on using them to only build your own list... I'm not sure why some people don't do well with Safelists... it could be because they are trying to sell a $497 upsell in 10 seconds, so they aren't using them correctly or it just may not be for them... just like blogging is something I've had trouble with, but it comes easily to others.

    But I think if your focus is on learning how to build your funnel and you use safelists to introduce others to and capture them in the opening of your funnel - that gives you time, then, to really allow them to get to know you and what you are all about. And while you are doing that you could be working on optimizing your site and learning SEO to garner more organic, pinpoint traffic.

    One common, great method that works is giving something away for free on your lead capture page... you can gift it to your signups after they sign up. You can rebrand an ebook, you can come up with your own gift... the sky is the limit.

    Safelists are also a great inexpensive way to brand yourself. Have you signed up for Gravatar yet? I'm guessing if you have a blog (wordpress) you may have already signed up... well, many safelists will grab your Gravatar image and name and users will see your photo, when your ads appear while they are surfing.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8995515].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
    Matthew, what I fail to understand is why on earth you are acting as if I have a product to sell to you and I am REQUIRED to prove it's worthiness... I could care less what you think! Ok, safelists are bigfoot... you win. We can all move on now. Good luck to you, man.

    I am doing very well with using safelists... and I know others are as well. I share that information because I know it to be true... I don't owe that information to you and I give it to help you... if you don't want to take it... that's ok with me... because there are others out there who see/know the benefit (especially when you are new and don't yet have an online presence yet) of using safelists to get immediate traffic to your leads.

    Are the conversions worth it? My answer is yes Most definitely. But it's your job to find that out for yourself, not anyone elses.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8995604].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author AndrewStark
    Hi OfficerIM

    We have a facebook you can join where you'll get some good discussion, drop me or Maria a link if you want to join. You should also be using a real name so that we know who you are as that's part of the branding curve that helps with your safelist results.

    Which autoresponder are you using, and if you have tracking I would be expecting at least a 2% average opt-in rate. That's assuming your freebie is worth having and the page is clear and concise.

    Give it 3 months of an hour a day and you should be generating income and hopefully being able to buy advertising and make a positive return on investment.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[8995631].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author WorkAtHomeExpert
    Safelists do work.

    Like any form of free traffic it requires a lot of work and consistency.

    I have used them for years before using paid traffic methods. I still use them from time to time because they do work. You will not likely make a fortune using them but you will grow your list and make sales once you use them in the right way.

    Its all about the offer that you promote and how well it converts. These days there are more tools available to make safelist marketing much easier. So if you are on a limited budget, they are definitely worth using.

    ~ Phil Davis
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9111277].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Max Anderson
    In 99.9% of cases safelists are a complete waste of time.

    Regarding the funnel question, safelist users usually have a problem with getting traffic.
    But they are also cheapos unwilling to buy the traffic...

    Again pretty much useless.
    Signature

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9111314].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sean1231
    I have seen no benefit with using safelists I am certain 99% of the time that nobody will even read your email or ad!
    Signature

    Quality, Affordable Solo Ads
    Fast Action Traffic

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9111333].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
    If you haven't seen a benefit from using them, then you don't know what you are doing.. plain and simple. Because my income (90% of which is from Safelists and spent on Safelists 8K, so far, this year... are you sure we are all cheap?) tell me that Safelists work.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9209285].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author l0gic
    I feel I'm about to make some enemies, but it's gotta be said.

    Certain people here are claiming "Yes, safelists work like gangbusters!" and yet there's no mention of how they're making their money from safelists. If these folks are safelist owners or have massive downlines then they'll obviously have more success than the rest of us who have tried out safelists as new members.

    Please, folks, there's no need to be so cryptic while promoting something like safelists. Especially since most of us have enough experience with them to know that unless you're an owner or you've got a massive downline, you're not going to get eyes on your emails.

    I'm getting tired of reading "They work, you're using it wrong!" when there's nothing to backup your claim.

    Also, I understand 90% of this forum is hype with nothing to backup the claim but we can do our part to lessen that and make this a more valuable place to exchange ideas.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9209361].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
      No problem... let's share links and check Alexa. Very simple. You go first
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9209384].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author l0gic
    Keep in mind, folks, safelists require a "downline" to be viable.

    A downline is simply a fancy way of saying "recruiting other people".

    Anyone actively using safelists has a vested interest in building their downline.

    Connect the dots.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9211382].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by l0gic View Post

      Keep in mind, folks, safelists require a "downline" to be viable.
      No they don't. A downline in safelists, for the most part, are only good for:

      1. Getting more credits to email
      2. Earning a referral fee. Most are one-time payments
      3. Being able to email them. But this is kinda pointless for people who capture the email before promoting the safelist to them.

      -g
      Signature
      Screw You, NameCheap!
      $1 Off NameSilo Domain Coupons:

      SAVEABUCKDOMAINS & DOLLARDOMAINSAVINGS
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9211619].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author l0gic
    You made my point, though. The downline is your ticket to sending more emails in the form of ad credits, and getting referral fees etc. Therefore, as I stated, anyone actively using safelists has a vested interest in building their downline.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9211655].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
      Originally Posted by l0gic View Post

      You made my point, though. The downline is your ticket to sending more emails in the form of ad credits, and getting referral fees etc. Therefore, as I stated, anyone actively using safelists has a vested interest in building their downline.
      No...

      You said "to be viable," which isn't true. They can be viable w/out a downline.

      I don't even try to build a downline and they are viable to me for listbuilding.

      Most of them give ad credits for referrals but these can be just as easily earned or purchased w/out referrals.

      Again, a downline is not needed for safelists to be viable. They aren't MLM systems.

      -g
      Signature
      Screw You, NameCheap!
      $1 Off NameSilo Domain Coupons:

      SAVEABUCKDOMAINS & DOLLARDOMAINSAVINGS
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9211748].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author martbost
    Okay, here's my .75 worth...

    I have been using several forms of list building over the years and in the last 9 months or so, I have been actively using Safelists DAILY to generate leads and build a list. I have a good converting funnel with a free offer on the front. I use Safelist Genie to manage my accounts and submit my ads. I have several Lifetime memberships with the better-responding safelists. Having the upgrades is a crucial step in making the lists work for you.

    On a daily basis, I am able to reach about 700k plus safelist subscribers across all the lists. It is a numbers game and on the average, I see 20 - 25 new leads per day that begin to go through my funnel. The conversion rate for action takers once they are in my funnel is about 1 in 20 that do something. My CTR for my lists when I broadcast to this specific audience is about 12% right now.

    Overall, I find safelists to be very useful for some daily lead flow but they do take some effort and tools to keep them flowing.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9211786].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author mariamccarthy
    Originally Posted by l0gic View Post

    You made my point, though. The downline is your ticket to sending more emails in the form of ad credits, and getting referral fees etc. Therefore, as I stated, anyone actively using safelists has a vested interest in building their downline.

    As I said a long time ago in this thread, if it's not for you, it's not for you. I would never push something that works for me on others or try to make them feel bad for using or trying other forms of traffic generation.

    But, I think for you to come here and put an entire method down (that works very well for many) and to dispense bad, blanket advice about something that you don't seem to have a lot of experience with is irresponsible.

    Do safelists take a lot work?

    Sure they do, but it's been my experience that the benefits I receive from them are worth it and it takes less and less time to generate more traffic, over time. It's not easy to start any new, small-business... (I know because I've started a few) and this is no different. The cost is always much higher than the reward, in the beginning.

    I also want to point out something that I find very interesting... you asked for proof that safelists work... and accused us/me of generalizations... and within minutes I was willing to compare results with you... but you never responded. So, I wondered why and I followed your Twitter button to your Twitter page and found your blog that is loaded up with content... and I checked your Alexa ranking... low & behold... you don't have a rating because your ranking is below their low threshold to rank your site.

    Alternately, I just started working on the design of my own blog, 4 days ago, I haven't promoted it on safelists yet and I've only told a few friends about it (to see if I'm going in the right direction with design, not for them to read content) and my blog is already being ranked by Alexa... no content, hasn't even launched. (If you want to verify this, you can find it very easily on a dot NET domain with my name) Safelists have helped me to brand myself so well, that people just look to see if I have a blog.. so it's been generating traffic since I purchased the domain in March... with no content.

    Are you sure you don't want to re-think using safelists? I'll understand if it's not for you... but I really don't think you have any place giving others advice on this subject (because you don't seem to have a lot of luck with generating traffic through ANY method)... just my opinion.

    P.S. Another interesting thing to note... way back in the beginning of this thread, I said I've had trouble with blogging, it doesn't come easily to me, but I know others have had success with it (I just haven't, yet)... as you can see, I'm not giving up just because I didn't take to it the first or the third time... I'm reaching beyond my own comfort zone to try to get the hang of something that so many others have told me "works". I'm glad I am not wasting my time telling others that blogs don't work... because, really... that would be beyond my own scope of expertise.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9211851].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author toysoldier80
    I love Traffic exchanges and Safelists. They have some of the best owners in the industry and provide a platform for folks to make money online. Use them effectively and your advertising runs on auto-pilot.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9402243].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author frankie_flores
    With a twist I've discovered in a course called Breakfast Embed..

    Yes. It works.

    Because you can take the horrible, cheap traffic from safelists and send them to a blog or YouTube video (from your autoresponder) so that it ranks Page 1 quickly.

    The blog is monetized with banners and affiliate links, and finding content is super easy using this method.

    Literally copy and paste.

    The kicker is that I have an opt in box in the side bar to grab newcomers that come through search engines, which builds my list more, which ranks more and more posts....

    You get the idea.
    Signature

    Moderator's Note: Affiliate Links Not Allowed

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11045073].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jw22777
    Safelists are usually good for the most part.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11045149].message }}
  • {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[11046035].message }}

Trending Topics